How to Change Polybutylene Pipe Shutoff Valves to Copper Pipes
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
- In this polybutylene pipe repair video we show you how to change polybutylene shut off valves from polybutylene pipes (with the grey pipe fittings). We'll teach you how to convert polybutylene plumbing shut off valves to standard compression copper water shut off valves. In this polybutylene to copper conversion repair, we take the grey pipe plumbing fittings, and convert them from polybutylene plumbing to copper using the SharkBite polybutylene adapter to connect to this PB Pipe and make your grey pipe problems go away. Polybutylene plumbing is sometimes referred to as PBPipe or PB pipe, and is a flexible gray pipe plumbing system used by builders in the 1970s and 1980s, and was outlawed in 1994 after numerous class action lawsuits proved this system of grey pipe plumbing suffered costly leaks. You are not allowed to use polybutylene pipes in new construction plumbing applications.
Change shutoff valve under the sink
To change shutoff valve from Polybutylene to copper compression fitting, we cut off the old valve by slicing through the grey pipe. Next, we change sink shut off valve by creating our own water shut off valve assembly on the countertop where it is easy to build it.
Change shut off valve
We start with the Shark Bite polybutylene adapter which is one of a few SharkBite polybutylene fittings they have, then insert a 2" length of copper pipe into the copper end, leaving the gray polypropylene end open for now. Then you wrench on your new compression fitting water shutoff valve onto the copper pipe. In this case we are using a 90-degree quarter turn angle stop compression fitting for our water shut off valve under the kitchen sink. We hope you enjoyed our plumbing tips.
Parts used in this water shut off valve repair video:
✅ SharkBite U4008LFA Polybutylene Conversion Coupling Fitting, 1/2-Inch by 1/2-Inch: amzn.to/2YOi8jk
✅ SharkBite Deburring Pipe and Depth Gauge Tool: amzn.to/2W0teES
✅ SharkBite 3/4 In Disconnect Tongs: amzn.to/2Wq221E
✅ RIDGID One Stop Wrench Kit : amzn.to/2ClCbNa
✅ Channellock 12-Inch Pliers: amzn.to/2MdcnGR
BrassCraft G2CR19X C1 1/2 in. NOM Comp Inlet x 3/8 in. OD Compression Outlet Chrome Plated Brass 1/4 Turn Angle Valve: amzn.to/2VM6P9n
✅ Gear we used to produce this polybutylene pipe repair video:
✅ Nikon Z6 Camera Kit w/24-70mm Lens: amzn.to/2w9sAp9
✅ Deity V.Lav Lavalier Lapel Microphone: amzn.to/2HBmSmA
✅ Rode Wireless Go Mic Transmitter/Receiver: amzn.to/2M7vUvV
✅ WATCH: How Polybutylene Piping (Grey Pipes) Caused Plumbing Leaks, Mold Inside Wall • How Polybutylene Pipin...
The SharkBite polybutylene adapter we use here can be used to convert polybutylene to copper or convert polybutylene pipe to PVC. You can also use it to convert polybutylene to PEX and leave your grey pipe plumbing problems behind you.
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Great instructions
Exactly what I need to see.
Same as my house was build 1996 in Florida
PB pipe in the house. Thanks for sharing
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Jeff to my rescue again! Haven't figured out how to connect to this crazy grey 3P pipe without a leak in 3 days of trying different fittings. Searched for help and thankfully two of your older videos topped the list, I'll be buying some sharkbite tomorrow! Thank you again for another super helpful video!
Parts used in this water shut off valve repair video:
✅ SharkBite U4008LFA Polybutylene Conversion Coupling Fitting, 1/2-Inch by 1/2-Inch: amzn.to/2YOi8jk
✅ SharkBite Deburring Pipe and Depth Gauge Tool: amzn.to/2W0teES
✅ SharkBite 3/4 In Disconnect Tongs: amzn.to/2Wq221E
✅ RIDGID One Stop Wrench Kit : amzn.to/2ClCbNa
✅ Channellock 12-Inch Pliers: amzn.to/2MdcnGR
BrassCraft G2CR19X C1 1/2 in. NOM Comp Inlet x 3/8 in. OD Compression Outlet Chrome Plated Brass 1/4 Turn Angle Valve: amzn.to/2VM6P9n
✅ Gear we used to produce this polybutylene pipe repair video:
✅ Nikon Z6 Camera Kit w/24-70mm Lens: amzn.to/2w9sAp9
✅ Deity V.Lav Lavalier Lapel Microphone: amzn.to/2HBmSmA
✅ Rode Wireless Go Mic Transmitter/Receiver: amzn.to/2M7vUvV
I'm with you. Outside the wall push to fit is okay. Inside the wall, not so much. Push to fit fittings are also good as temporary fittings while pressure testing a piping run of all the PEX crimp fittings you installed.
Unfortunately my place has this grey pipe. I tried these Shark bites but i'm not convinced they are safe to use. I feel like it is very hard to slip all the way on the grey poly. They did not leak, but I know they are not as far inn as the Pex pushes inn. Unfortunately I did not mark them. I decided to look around and I found shark bite adapters that crimp too the Poly transferring it to Pex. I feel way better with this set up. Sometimes may have to heat the poly a bit to get it to slip on the adapter though as can be very snug to push on. These adapters are called Poly to Pex adapter. I am not a plumber, I just bought the tools and watched videos so I could learn to do it myself.
Oh and by the way thanks for making videos as this is how I been learning. Cheers
As long as these adapters are outside the wall where you can inspect them from time to time, it's OK
thank you for this video! I have found out the hard way, they do not make parts, fittings ect anymore for this crap piping and so there arnt alot of options beyond repiping an entire home. the guys at my local hardware shop, insist that is the only way and wouldnt advise me on other options. so I am very appreciative you took the time to make this video. tackling this project today. wish me luck!
Glad I could help Sarah!
I had a similar issue in my home. But all my pipes for shut offs are 3/8ths and found they don’t make that type of shark bite for that size . Ended up using a flair-it and hoping for the best
Thanks for this. Our whole house is plumbed with polyb unfortunately. That is everything except what's had to be replaced.. ugh. At least this video will get me through the current project. Thanks again.
Glad it was helpful nick
thanks, i hadn't seen this type of tubing before
You're lucky, polybutylene is a bad tubing.
jeffostroff Then I guess I’m not that lucky, it’s on the job I’m on today. I was trying to unplug this tubing from a some pressure fitting. After seeing your video, I just clipped it and put a shark bite value PEX and male adapter and was all set, thanks
I’m an automotive youtuber who just bought a house. My washer cutoffs are leaking and they used poly behind them. I will be uploading videos after I’ve fixed my problem.
Good luck! Let us know when you get them done.
same!!!! keeps blowing off underneath the hot water shut off valve. I have to crimp it, and have someone else go shut off my main water supply, then clean up all the water. twice now it's happened. we tried rigging it up with clamps and tape. it just blew off a week and a half later. curious how your attempt went? hope it was successful!
@@jeffostroff Well I got it done but it don't look pretty. I used the shark bite pieces and they have been working for over 6 months.
Thanks. Could you let me know what kind of reamer you used in this video and where I can get it?
There is an insert inside all shark bite couplings that is there for use with pex tubing to help support or strengthen the pex but if using copper or CPVC you should remove that insert from inside the shark bite fitting by pulling it out with some needle nose pliers. It’s not needed with the stiffer pipe and will actually reduce the water flow. Probably reducing it down from half inch to three eights approximately.
The flow actually gets reduced down to 3 eights on the output of the angle stop anyway. Below I pasted from shark bite's online instructions that state "The PEX stiffener does not need to be removed for Copper or CPVC applications." But yes you are right it will reduce the flow down which is fine if you're connected to an angle stop anyways with its 3/8" output.
@@jeffostroff yes Jeff, don't they also recommend that you leave it in so that you don't damage the stainless teeth? See, I'm not a troll buddy! I'm the one that commented on your bagels and lox... Calm down..
@@sal.pizzurro Just my own personal opinion I would be a little apprehensive about pulling that insert out I'm afraid I would damage the teeth. Dealing with the shark bites is not as smooth as they make it look even with that really good higher cost removal tool sometimes you really get a tug at it to make those things let go.
Do you know if they make a shark bite connector for polybutylene to pex a
@@eclecticgentleman that's a good question
They are not crimp on gate valves under the sink , they are 1/2 " angle compression stops. Why didn't you show us when you changed the Sharkbite fitting around that you had inserted backwards?
Builders look for the CHEAPEST ways when it comes to plumbers, or any other sub-contracter for that matter concerning low end housing...aka Trac houses. Only when you get into high end housing you'll see quality workmanship, products, etc. although you will see some shoddy work there too, when you have competition to win a contract. It's all about that dollar. You ever heard the phrase "You get what you pay for". Too bad the end user has to deal with this stuff.
Hi Jeff, don't know if you'll see this. Just wondering if I can use a sharkbite polyb to pex adapter and then connect to a toilet shut off valve? I'm trying a very basic DIY bathroom reno, but once I removed the toilet and shut the toilet shut off valve off, it's still leaking. Was hoping to use the materials that I have. Since it's not drinking water, would a pex connection work as a low budget solution? Or are toilet shut off valves only meant to connect to copper? Many thanks, I'm learning as I go.
Yes people do this just make sure you are on the outside of the wall so if it ever leaks you'll be able to see it.
Thanks for the video. Could you tell me what you used to cut the polybutylene pipe with?
ratcheting PVC cutter: homedepot.sjv.io/BXe1Zx
Curious as to the sizes of the a copper tubing and the valve that you got there? Are all valves the same size?believe the poly B is all the same but not sure what your running after that?
I use 1/2" valves, with 1/2" copper pipes. The sharkbite converter I slapped on there converts from the poly pipe to copper, so now I can run the 1/2" copper into the compression valve
I love how he stressed using type L copper when he’s splicing to PB… talk about lip stick on a pig
I have a 1996 mobile home my wife and I are restoring.. and it has 5/8" PB pipe to toilets and faucets. Do you know the part numbers for gate valves and unions.. thank you
No I don't deal with using nay polypropylene parts or unions, I convert to copper as we showed in this video.
I've used the regular brown connection on polyb. It seems to work ok. I would never use it behind a wall.
Yes, that is why we left it out in front of the wall under the sink.
It makes little sense (IMHO) to change out little bits of the polybutylene if it is the polybutylene that is the problem - breaking down over time, etc.
Basically, if the polybutylene has begun leaking here, it has reached the end of its useful life and needs to be removed and replaced entirely. There are literally dozens of such connections in a home and many behind/within walls, attics, etc. So, maybe next week you'll be calling to replace the cold water valve in your bathroom, a month later, one in your tub or the feed to the commode. Have you priced these polybutylene Shark Bite parts? they add ten dollars to every repair while leaving 'the culprit' hidden in a wall.
His comment that, leaving this mussy repair visible is so that you'll 'notice any leak instantly' is ridiculous. How often do you examine the stop valves in/under your vanity? Under your kitchen sink? Leaks tend to start small and do the damage slowly over time. Often, the first time you notice a problem is when a puddle has accumulated or the vanity cabinet floor has swollen.
I am dealing with this PB issue, but next to my washer. and being a single mom, now homeschooling my daughter and trying to work, I can understand and FULLY appreciate this mans logic. it's for those who cannot afford to RIP apart their entire home, and repipe an entire house. beyond that, maybe YOU dont check up on pipe repairs outside the wall, but I do. at least 20 times a day. just to make sure. for a commenter who seems to be critisizing this man for not being cautious enough, it seems contradicting that you wouldnt keep an eye on a pipe that has been repaired. no matter what the process. you keep an eye on it. to make sure it took and isnt leaking. seems like common sense imo. but hey, I can appreciate and acknowledge we do not all think and operate the same. rather than hate on something that isnt useful for you, but is for others, just move on. keep scrolling.
Yes I have used the brown poly and other friends have too. Sharkbite has the shutoff with stainless flex hose and connector for toilet float valve all in one and it uses the brown and they seem to work ok on Poly.
I thought Shark Bites were better used for temporary purposes only. So that said, what other options are there besides this Shark Bite product?
In this case I believe the shark bite is more reliable than the Polybutylene pipe and as long as you have this on the outside of the wall where you can see it and check on it periodically you will be OK. Your other option is to do what most plumbers do which is to re pipe the house at a cost of about $10,000 right now that's real big going on up any Orlando in Kissimmee FL area as many houses up there were built with CPVC pipe which is just as bad it starts cracking and shattering on you after not even 15 years we just dealt with that at a friend's house a few months ago.
Jeff I realized you did not shark bite depth gauge on polybutylene pipe under the cabinet before pushing the shark bite on it.
We showed at 3:18 into the video although I might not have showed every connection we made but we do use the depth gauge on every sharkbite connection you really do need to use it or you'll get a leak
what did he do to attach the fitting to the poly b pipe itself? can't be just by pushing it in ?
Yes, the Shark bite fittings are all push in. But its still better than the the Polybutylene fittings, and it's outside the wall, so if it ever drips you'll see it.
So the pb pipe must have a different od? I think the big box stores in my area only carry the mauve shark bite fittings, I’ve never seen any that are two different colors. I haven’t run into that type of pipe where I live in California. I bet it’s in some of the modular homes around here though.
Yes, thank God the HDs in our area have these, they know a ton of homes built in the 1980s here in our area have this PB pipe
@@jeffostroff yeah that’s really great. It would definitely suck trying to hunt something like that down for one oddball job
Most of my polybutylene are 3/8 in size. Have you seen a push to connect for a 3/8 PB?
Did you see if Shark Bite has a 3/8" connector? I don't know who else makes anything for PB pipes.
I didn’t find any online or in store. I bought a Flair-it that went from 3/8 to 1/2. And it stated it for pvc/pex and pb
All you need is a regular pex 1/4 turn stop and Oetiker cinch clamps.... Cut the old stop off, insert pex stop, cinch Oetiker clamp, cut water back on.....
Not every homeowner has those clamps.
@@jeffostroff
A smart homeowner would invest in some...
Your next t - shirt should say if Jeff can't fix it call a real plumber
At least your comment about the T-Shirt is true, but you still have haven't answered the questions about what was incorrect here, which means you don't really know, which means customers won't be calling you if I can't fix it because you don't really know the answer, so you can't answer our questions about what is wrong with this installation. LOL!
Not going back and forth with you I'm happy you have a interest in the plumbing industry you might b the oldest apprentice in Florida but don't let that stop you they make a poly to pex adapter that is crimp on not a homeowners shark bite fitting and even that you can't install right shows in your video it's backwards dummy so before I go into explaining how to properly repair that leak maybe you should get the basics down on what the right side the shark bite fitting goes on oh yea one more thing Mr master plumber you pull the insert out on the shark bite fitting on the copper side
@@oceanpointplumbing1252 you did not see that the copper pipe was corrected and installed on the designated copper end of the Shark Bite adapter, you simply failed to watch the video and you call me the dummy? LOL. So you'r going to tell people that the way we have it connected in the end is wrong? The copper pipe is connected to the correct copper side of the adapter, and you're calling me the dummy? LOL!. You are wrong about removing the insert, it is not required to remove it when using copper pipe, it is optional to remove it. Here it is pasted from SharlBite's own web site: "NOTE: The tube liner is necessary for use with PEX, HDPE or PE-RT Pipe. It is not required for copper or CPVC, however, it is not necessary to remove the tube liner from the fitting.
" LOL! LOL! So that's twice you tried to show I did it wrong and twice you failed. You see? You notice how I show the facts with evidence, while you keep hand waving and pointing out things that you are wrong about because you lack the knowledge, and you lack the evidence to support your incorrect statements. Look, you're dealing with an engineer here, if you're going to try to prove me wrong, you need to first have the knowledge, and second show up with real documented proof. Call me a hack or whatever, but in the end I solved an engineering disaster created by you licensed plumbers.
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@@jeffostroff Actually poly was created by the shell corporation which intentionally kept pex out of the states. Good plumbers were forced to use poly if they wanted jobs. The DIY hacks you are showing are doable but are not professional. Master Plumbers do not use shark bites we either solder crimp pro press or use uponor expansion tools. Any engineer should know you shouldn't compress hard copper unless you get it red hot and cool it first. My late father was a master plumber as well whom ran many feet of poly pipe that still exists to this day because he didn't use the plastic fittings or aluminum rings.
Hahahahaha
YOUNG MAN ,
NEED : SHARKBITE
I don't normally like to use sharkbite but on poly pipe there is no choice
I absolutetly hate how cut off valves under thr sunk and toilets just wiggle.. the piping just wiggles back and forth snd isnt secured.. ive seen this in every house ive owned.. which is 8 houses now.
The current house im about to close on has poly b piping.. with copper fittings and copper crimps. It doesnt leak.. was made in 93.. but i dont know if i should replace it all or leave it alone. Im thinking about leaving it alone.. but once the home inspection comes back im 100% positive hell warn me about the piping. I might be able to use this to my advantage and get the current owner to replace or lower the price of the house based on contingency
Yes, that is real stupid, plumbers who work for builders are the worst, they don't use straps to secure the pipes! A great way to fix this is to get a tube of PL Adhesive in the paint aisle at HD, and fill in the gap. NeXT morning it is rock solid! I do this on every bathroom and kitchen I remodel
@@jeffostroff now that i think about it it isnt just the toilet abd sibk pioes by thr cutt off valves . Its the shower heads took that do this
Lol you had the shark bite backwards then fixed it.
Yup it's always when you're filming something in your more concentrating on the stupid camera and audio in the microphone malfunctioning excellent dumb things like this happen
Its not all bad and copper can get pin holes aswell. I have seen it happen to copper.
Oops at 7.51 the sharkbite fitting was backwards but I see you changed it.....
Yes sometimes during filming a part is put on wrong
i will have to use plastic replacement i have acid water that will eat copper or brass
Yikes, hope you are not drinking it
or showering
Why didn't you just make a new video. Also why not just use a PB valve?
This is a new video so I'm not sure what it is you're asking about why didn't I make a new video. You don't just replace this with another part because you can't buy the parts anymore and nobody has the Tools to fix these unlimited Poly butylene fittings because it hasn't been allowed since 1994 so most people are not equipped to deal with it. Most plumbers when they come across stuff like this will highly suggest to the homeowner to simply re pipe the whole house at a cost of probably $10,000 . So for most people the best course of action is to use the sharkbite coupling here which converts it from Poly butylene to copper
@@jeffostroff Hi Jeff was talking about you put the fitting in backwards then commented over old video. Perhaps it demonstrated how flexible shark bite is you can fix a mistake easily. (of course you need a tool for that too heh) I have a similar case. Have a valve that works but is PB on both sides and was leaking after valve to facet. I replaced that piece with PEX but had to jam it on the valve cause PB appears to have a larger inside diameter than PEX! Guess that means the wall of PEX is thicker cause both have same OD. (For sure temp fix and shut valve when not there) From what I have read the PB pipe is ok its the fittings that were the problem. However its complicated cause they don't make parts anymore. So shark bite is a good option or a crimp adapter is a little cheaper.
whats with the loud-arsed music towards the end?!?! People like me with certain hearing issues CANT FREAKING HEAR the monologue one that cruddy music gets loud! I hope you've corrected this in more recent vids... Otherwise decent info so far...
Ys, we got better mics, better camera, better production techniques
Hi Jeff - Thanks for trying.. but a couple things.... 1) you blocked the view when cutting under the sink..and didnt even bother telling us how you cut it... 2) you made such a big deal over deburring and cleaning and marking with a red mark on the copper pipe and did nothing at all on the polyb pipe under the sink... How did you know you got it deep enough into the sharkbite ??
your head is in front of camera at critical points
sorry, sometimes not always possible to get best camera angle, but now I have better tripods and gimbals to shoot in tight areas
There has to be a easier way. Having to buy all those tools to fix a toilet just seems like a waste But I suppose it is going to be cheaper than calling a plumber.
Don’t use sharkbite fittings
Shark bite fittings are fine to use if they are out in the open where you can see them. And when you connect up to the old banned polybutylene piping, there is no other choice. The only other solution you would have us to rip out all of the polybutylene piping in a house which often runs $20000.
I just use a pex ring on the pb
@@jacksplumbingvideos7147 I have to look at that on the next one and see. It fits OK?
I bet it killed him when he realized what he did. 😢
Not how a plumber would do it
That's exactly how a plumber does it. You don't know the proper way to do this.
@@jeffostroff rip it out and sleep better at night. That crap leaks. Joints and the pipe itself. Go get some pex and have a great night!!
Plumber here- the od of the pb is the same as the OD of the copper. The shark bite will work either way.
The professional way to make that repair is to use the poly to pex coupling and crimp it with the crush rings.
The pb side will have multiple raised rings and the pex side will have three. It’s the ID that is different between the pipes.