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Baguazhang (Bagua Palm) Form and Applications 八卦掌套路及應用
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- Опубліковано 6 лип 2007
- Sifu Wei-Chung Lin (林維中), a disciple of the Yizungyue (易宗岳) School and the Chief Instructor of the Chinese Taoist Martial Arts Association ( ctmaa.com/ )in Skokie (a northern suburb of Chicago) Illinois, demonstrate a Baguazhang (八卦掌) form and its applications.
The body mechanics employed in the execution of the movements are based on the Pre-Heaven Power Method. More information on the Pre-Heaven Power Method can be found on the website americanyzy.com/.
The majority of the movements in the form are from different branches of Cheng Ting-Wha style Baguazhang. For example, palm 3, the beginning of palm 4, and the last two sequences (black dragron swings its tail) are Gao Yi-Sheng style movements.
I love the circular forms and foot work. I must learn this style before I die. It's officially on my bucket list.
Excellent demonstration! It is nice to see how the form works in situations.
never ceases to amaze me the variations on ba gua.This teacher stops which breaks the flow of chi i think there could be shaolin influence there which would explain the difference to our form
i think it's very awesome to note the similarities between the martial art i've practiced for a while (aikido) and ba gua.
take a look at 4:15. That's very similar to an nikyo takedown.
4:37 is very similar to shiho nage
and 4:45 is like a double nikyo move i was taught.
I think these kinds of things are pretty awesome. it just ties all martial arts together really. it seems if one were to compare, aikido is an even softer version of bagua.
I think that's really true. There are certain set principles in nature that all martial arts share (in this case, e.g. the human body can only move so many ways before it gets locked up, e.g. circular motion redirects energy and balance). Goes to show that martial arts has alot more in common than "styles" would lead us to believe. Differences largely depends on what the martial artist choses to do with his knowledge.
Master Lin teaches traditional push hands routines and a version called response hands which is more free form push hands. There is also extensive training on how to use cold fajin during push hands so one does not need to time to prepare the fajin. The Pre-Heaven system that he teaches allows the practitioner to fajin at anytime. It is the best system I have seen in my 27 years of martial arts training.
I bowed after watching this video. Thank you!
Martial arts of any sort never cease to amaze me.
Fantastic performance and demonstration of applications!
For anyone who wants to know what the first song is, it is called - Shake Shake Tataku: The Best of Kodo, Vol. 2 (1994-1999)
From a gross motor viewpoint, they are similar in that circular movements are used to neutralize an opponent and control his center of balance. However, Aikido focuses alot more on fine motor control of the wrists to lock and force a throw (showing its roots in Daito Ryu Aiki-jujutsu). Baguazhang utilizes more body-checks, leg traps and elbow strikes to trip or knock down the opponent.
One of my favorite moments in Avatar - when Aang is getting attacked by that bully in the fire nation school and he uses bagua to dodge all of his attacks. I know all of his fighting was Bagua, but it was especially clear in that scene :) :)
aang brought me here
Me too, I want to learn airbending forms. I shall study this Ba Guang Zhang...and I shall become, airbending masta!!
Very interesting.
I am a practitioner of Tai Tzu, Bagua is a beautiful art, I wish to someday learn at least a bit of it.
Thanks for sharing! Have an awesome day!
Philosophy-wise, the two arts diverge significantly on the issue of hurting an opponent. Ueshiba's vision of Aikido was an art that could resolve conflict without causing harm to anyone, even the opponent; atemi and pain compliance is used only to effect the throw/lock. Baguazhang, on the other hand, retains its combatative roots in its usage of aggressive throws and counter strikes to disable the opponent. The two arts have the same circular concept, but two very different goals.
What a tick!! That's the same form they used for Aang on Avatar the last airbender!! It's awesome to see in action.
this is awesome, great music, demos..give thanks
Martial Arts were originally developed for combat in order to survive.
When fighting wasn't as necessary to survive, people re-invented it to meet other important needs.
A hammer can build a house or break skulls - the focus of the training changes, but the tools are the same.
wow impresinante la tecnica, habra que practicarla mucho para llegar a este nivel.
I have seen people start training in martial arts for the first time at much higher ages. So yes.
The three internal styles of Bagua, Xingyi and Tai Chi are Taoist in origin.
The two most well-known schools are found on (Mt.) Wudan/Wutang and (Mt.) Emei.
And ofc, that's not including lineages...it can get a bit complicated, so it's prolly easier to just call them Taoist or Internal Styles.
amazing demonstration
I like it , if you dont mind I'm going to add it to list of forms.Going to take awhile but I like it alot
Yeah Neji is awesome
well i used it in practice and it worked great. 2 were greco roman wrestlers and i used mantis, taiji, ba gua and hung ga. Funny thing is that when they rush you full force they can't change direction and just capitalize on that. Plus the crouching structure makes it easy to uproot if you know what you are doing and they don't change their weight distribution.
very nice flow in the applications! Beautiful!
@ShuyuKoukin - please continue believing this. The element of surprise always makes things easier.
Hello Sifu,
What style of Bagua are you performing in the video? Many thanks for your time!
Xie Xie!
Nice Clip, i like the application as well
THx
On the contrary these two styles compliment one another,,this is the heart of Bomani Jitsu or Sanuces Ryu
What is the music in this video? It's great!
+Nitish Mohan It's mostly a grappling style, that's why it looks like he's pulling on an imaginary thread
Back when weapons were unavailable, we created martial arts to defend ourselves.
Now that we have access to firearms, practicing marksmanship at the range is our equivalent of their martial forms.
that mattress gets a good workout!! good stuff!
This is the style the "Good" Jet Li used in "The One" correct? Very fluid style - I really like the feel of it.
只要对手是静止的并且他的手并在一起，它看起来就很好。 我想在真正的战斗中看到这些技术。
This is so cool to watch. I do martial arts, but no way is it this refined.
It is probably worth mentioning that as bagua was founded by Dong Haichuan during his years in Beijing and thus bagua should be traced by lineage from Dong Haichuan rather than connections to any of the famous mountain monasteries.
Their forms is so pretty!!
In a real situation maybe you can't use theese applications, but have respect for this master.
In a video a spectator can't understand what he is doing.
Maybe you've very more experience than me in this style.
Great clip and good applications, thanks.
@kelotz07 there are not much, if any flying manuevers at all. bagua focuses alot on stability of the user. so rooting to the ground and walking in a circle is one of the most important part. jumping into the air goes against that
Good form.
If I were to learn all three internal styles, which should I start with?
@taipingvlg I do Yang Style Taijiquen and love it. Love the health benefits and it has helped my jiu-jitsu a lot by being more aware of how my body is weighted and moves.
Despite what you seem to think, a "real fight" is not what you see on UFC. Most real fights (as in fights between average people) are clumsy and awkward spectacles to behold.
But to the core of your question... which is deadlier: the rhino that blindly charges in and relies entirely on size and force, or the snake who makes a single, deliberate strike?
Both can kill you, but there is an element of blind luck when relying on force. When you have skill, attacking is an act of will, not luck.
truly and masterful form.
could you be so kind to tell me what artist and song this is, the drums are awesome!
very impressive style. I first learned of this style from Avatar: The Last Airbender. i like how smoothly it flows from one move to the next.
So you suggest one doesn't begin with Baguazhang? I just want to learn it now, it's so amazing!
I like this form, I wish I could learn it.
@goobtron You can start with Yang style Taijiquan or Xingyiquan. After you have learned the basics of Xingyiquan, you may add Baguazhang in your training.
Are there any guides to learning Baguazhang? Perhaps books or dvds?
@tcharney123
The music sounds like Japanese Taiko Drumming, maybe it's a song by the group "KODO"
very well said.
Byakugan!
To my limited experience, it looks like it focuses on putting the opponent off balance, then using that to get inside of their defense. If I'm wrong, let me know.
Trabalho incrível
I wish so bad I could train this. Seems there are hardly, if any, schools at my country of this art
very nice clip
To tcharney123:
I am sorry that I don't know the answer. I extracted the song from a CD a student gave me a few years ago. He didn't put down anything on the CD and he is no longer with the school.
Excellent Sifu Lin, I am going to send this to my Sifu (Starr) and friends. Many thanks for posting the Bagua video. May I ask what style of Bagua (Cheng perhaps)? Many thanks for your time! Xie Xie!
jeff
How well does he teach?
I'm answering your question on taijiquan, although this is baguazhang being demonstrated. There are misconceptions about both arts in the west. The way I see it, is that Bagua seems to have retained more of its martial background than taiji. The new age movement has a lot to answer for in this respect. Yes it can be relaxing to do, but this is a side effect of learning the fighting art that it is. If you learn it exclusively for health, then you are denying yourself half the art.
does he do the 360 degree turns mostly against multiple opponents? a lot of systems advise against giving up your back or taking your eyes off a single opponent
truly amazing
They didn't actually cancel it. It just ended.
But I do understand you, I love that show pretty much myself. (:
In MMA there are over 20 foul strikes and techniques. Virtually all of which were just used in this video to hurt the attacker. I think the MMA guy would be crying for the referee after about 3 seconds. MMA is not no holds barred anymore it is now a sport and as such has no place in "as you put it" real fight situations. Grappling is designed for 1 on 1 wrestling sports but is useless if being attacked by anymore than 2 people. Bagua on the other hand is designed for multiple attackers
@ShuyuKoukin What experience do you have with Baguazhang and Taijiquan to assert they are just silly?
great video, thanks for sharing. do y'all make that music yourselves?
The Hyuuga Clan has the same style of fighting.
Also, M.K. said, that the 'Juken' ist based on this
nice office!!!!
What is the name of that awesome song that plays during the apps? Is it by Kodo?
so taiji can be used offensively and practically? i always thought of it as a good exercise for old folks
@MikeyItes Please see kitsuneopal's comment for the name of the music. Thanks.
@taipingvlg is this gao bagua
cause there is a school close to me that teaches gao style
O'Sensei used to learn Bagua Zhang, and he used it to make Aikido more efective :)
I like, watching it. Every cool
good!
Tão bonito ver!
Where can i find a Sifu in my area? i live in MA. i would dedicate every day any hour to this, i must find a Sifu. I have been hunting for the one martial art that calls to me, and none have called so much as BaGuaZhang.
oh no worries. =)
i took taiji when i was young you see, but its mainly for health reasons.
@chrisfreel How do you pronounce the martial art and is this wudang style
It is a Cheng style Baguazhang form.
Where can I learn how to do this? Any good schools in Florida?
Holy cow, there is a TON of Gao in this. I mean exact duplicates of the Gao palm changes and Hou Tian lines!
I was wondering what style of BDZ that this is...a version of Gao? Sounds reasonable. Thanks.
It is indeed a Cheng style Baguazhang form.
One day, Korra will come to you and say,"Please teach me how to do air bending!"
The performer sometimes walks in circles with his hands up. Does anybody know what the application is for this movement?
@dougiedangers - don't wonder, discover. Dig up every teacher you can find and go push hands with them. If they can push, slap, kick, throw, punch you in a way that you realistically could not defend against, and alternately if you cannot push, slap, kick, throw or punch them, then become their student. If not, keep looking. Learn by experience, not by speculating. Ask questions but be respectful.
@michahberta Sure. Go ahead.
@wesleysmithphoto Great comment I too do yang style Tai chi and have practiced Hungar
Hahaha this move is so epic with the music! 1:22
Yes and Xing Yi was composed from marshal Yue Fei.
Not really, just legends.
traditionally, learn a hard style, then x'ing yi, then bagua. then tai chi.
but, do whatever you fancy. I started with tai chi. I have heard people say "my teacher says i am not ready for bagua yet" ,, i see no reason not to jump in the deep end.
x'ing yi 5 elements are a good foundation.
/watch?v=Ld3ek8i9pT4
Gao style bagua curriculum contains all three.
really where is he located?
Ba Gua Zhang is not created to fight with someone.
But it teach you that fight is not the way,
@Toryonline= if you don t know Bagua, you cna't understand what he is doing.
Form section is boring, but when you start from 3:20 gets more interesting.
Great style, quite elegant and flows very well with itself as intended. I have a hard time seeing the practical application of the introduction movements. Seems like a lot of wasted movement
It's not wasted movement if your ass is on the ground.
I'm a student of Baguazhang and Wing Chun. Baguazhang has great foot work and block but not great for causing harm. Wing Chun teaches how and where to strike and how to do it quickly. Baguazhang may look just artistic, but it is great at the martial aspect as well.
+FlowWolf7 Tell that to He Jinbao LOL
what's rumble righter?