I think that's really true. There are certain set principles in nature that all martial arts share (in this case, e.g. the human body can only move so many ways before it gets locked up, e.g. circular motion redirects energy and balance). Goes to show that martial arts has alot more in common than "styles" would lead us to believe. Differences largely depends on what the martial artist choses to do with his knowledge.
The majority of the movements in the form are from different branches of Cheng Ting-Wha style Baguazhang. For example, palm 3, the beginning of palm 4, and the last two sequences (black dragron swings its tail) are Gao Yi-Sheng style movements.
Master Lin teaches traditional push hands routines and a version called response hands which is more free form push hands. There is also extensive training on how to use cold fajin during push hands so one does not need to time to prepare the fajin. The Pre-Heaven system that he teaches allows the practitioner to fajin at anytime. It is the best system I have seen in my 27 years of martial arts training.
never ceases to amaze me the variations on ba gua.This teacher stops which breaks the flow of chi i think there could be shaolin influence there which would explain the difference to our form
i think it's very awesome to note the similarities between the martial art i've practiced for a while (aikido) and ba gua. take a look at 4:15. That's very similar to an nikyo takedown. 4:37 is very similar to shiho nage and 4:45 is like a double nikyo move i was taught. I think these kinds of things are pretty awesome. it just ties all martial arts together really. it seems if one were to compare, aikido is an even softer version of bagua.
Despite what you seem to think, a "real fight" is not what you see on UFC. Most real fights (as in fights between average people) are clumsy and awkward spectacles to behold. But to the core of your question... which is deadlier: the rhino that blindly charges in and relies entirely on size and force, or the snake who makes a single, deliberate strike? Both can kill you, but there is an element of blind luck when relying on force. When you have skill, attacking is an act of will, not luck.
One of my favorite moments in Avatar - when Aang is getting attacked by that bully in the fire nation school and he uses bagua to dodge all of his attacks. I know all of his fighting was Bagua, but it was especially clear in that scene :) :)
From a gross motor viewpoint, they are similar in that circular movements are used to neutralize an opponent and control his center of balance. However, Aikido focuses alot more on fine motor control of the wrists to lock and force a throw (showing its roots in Daito Ryu Aiki-jujutsu). Baguazhang utilizes more body-checks, leg traps and elbow strikes to trip or knock down the opponent.
@taipingvlg I do Yang Style Taijiquen and love it. Love the health benefits and it has helped my jiu-jitsu a lot by being more aware of how my body is weighted and moves.
Philosophy-wise, the two arts diverge significantly on the issue of hurting an opponent. Ueshiba's vision of Aikido was an art that could resolve conflict without causing harm to anyone, even the opponent; atemi and pain compliance is used only to effect the throw/lock. Baguazhang, on the other hand, retains its combatative roots in its usage of aggressive throws and counter strikes to disable the opponent. The two arts have the same circular concept, but two very different goals.
well i used it in practice and it worked great. 2 were greco roman wrestlers and i used mantis, taiji, ba gua and hung ga. Funny thing is that when they rush you full force they can't change direction and just capitalize on that. Plus the crouching structure makes it easy to uproot if you know what you are doing and they don't change their weight distribution.
Excellent Sifu Lin, I am going to send this to my Sifu (Starr) and friends. Many thanks for posting the Bagua video. May I ask what style of Bagua (Cheng perhaps)? Many thanks for your time! Xie Xie! jeff
The three internal styles of Bagua, Xingyi and Tai Chi are Taoist in origin. The two most well-known schools are found on (Mt.) Wudan/Wutang and (Mt.) Emei. And ofc, that's not including lineages...it can get a bit complicated, so it's prolly easier to just call them Taoist or Internal Styles.
In MMA there are over 20 foul strikes and techniques. Virtually all of which were just used in this video to hurt the attacker. I think the MMA guy would be crying for the referee after about 3 seconds. MMA is not no holds barred anymore it is now a sport and as such has no place in "as you put it" real fight situations. Grappling is designed for 1 on 1 wrestling sports but is useless if being attacked by anymore than 2 people. Bagua on the other hand is designed for multiple attackers
@goobtron You can start with Yang style Taijiquan or Xingyiquan. After you have learned the basics of Xingyiquan, you may add Baguazhang in your training.
does he do the 360 degree turns mostly against multiple opponents? a lot of systems advise against giving up your back or taking your eyes off a single opponent
Where can i find a Sifu in my area? i live in MA. i would dedicate every day any hour to this, i must find a Sifu. I have been hunting for the one martial art that calls to me, and none have called so much as BaGuaZhang.
To my limited experience, it looks like it focuses on putting the opponent off balance, then using that to get inside of their defense. If I'm wrong, let me know.
In a real situation maybe you can't use theese applications, but have respect for this master. In a video a spectator can't understand what he is doing. Maybe you've very more experience than me in this style.
@kelotz07 there are not much, if any flying manuevers at all. bagua focuses alot on stability of the user. so rooting to the ground and walking in a circle is one of the most important part. jumping into the air goes against that
Martial Arts were originally developed for combat in order to survive. When fighting wasn't as necessary to survive, people re-invented it to meet other important needs. A hammer can build a house or break skulls - the focus of the training changes, but the tools are the same.
It is probably worth mentioning that as bagua was founded by Dong Haichuan during his years in Beijing and thus bagua should be traced by lineage from Dong Haichuan rather than connections to any of the famous mountain monasteries.
There's nothing fancy or complex about bagua footwork or principles. They're proven against multiple attackers and Bagua was used by Royal bodyguards etc. The comment about coming up against a jujistu player is unwarranted. I have been training in Bagua and Taiji for 17 years and have trained with "Jujistu Players". They were stiff, too wrapped up in doing their own thing and had no idea about sticking and flowing with an opponent. BUT this is all down to the individual not the style.
To tcharney123: I am sorry that I don't know the answer. I extracted the song from a CD a student gave me a few years ago. He didn't put down anything on the CD and he is no longer with the school.
Back when weapons were unavailable, we created martial arts to defend ourselves. Now that we have access to firearms, practicing marksmanship at the range is our equivalent of their martial forms.
I'm answering your question on taijiquan, although this is baguazhang being demonstrated. There are misconceptions about both arts in the west. The way I see it, is that Bagua seems to have retained more of its martial background than taiji. The new age movement has a lot to answer for in this respect. Yes it can be relaxing to do, but this is a side effect of learning the fighting art that it is. If you learn it exclusively for health, then you are denying yourself half the art.
Great style, quite elegant and flows very well with itself as intended. I have a hard time seeing the practical application of the introduction movements. Seems like a lot of wasted movement
I'm a student of Baguazhang and Wing Chun. Baguazhang has great foot work and block but not great for causing harm. Wing Chun teaches how and where to strike and how to do it quickly. Baguazhang may look just artistic, but it is great at the martial aspect as well.
traditionally, learn a hard style, then x'ing yi, then bagua. then tai chi. but, do whatever you fancy. I started with tai chi. I have heard people say "my teacher says i am not ready for bagua yet" ,, i see no reason not to jump in the deep end. x'ing yi 5 elements are a good foundation. /watch?v=Ld3ek8i9pT4 Gao style bagua curriculum contains all three.
This deffinately looks like Aang's air bending forms from Avatar: The last airbender I love the show with sooo much passion, you don't even know. Ugh I can't believe they cancelled it. Now they're making Avatar: The legend of Korra. I prefer Aang! My hubby [':
I love the circular forms and foot work. I must learn this style before I die. It's officially on my bucket list.
Excellent demonstration! It is nice to see how the form works in situations.
I think that's really true. There are certain set principles in nature that all martial arts share (in this case, e.g. the human body can only move so many ways before it gets locked up, e.g. circular motion redirects energy and balance). Goes to show that martial arts has alot more in common than "styles" would lead us to believe. Differences largely depends on what the martial artist choses to do with his knowledge.
The majority of the movements in the form are from different branches of Cheng Ting-Wha style Baguazhang. For example, palm 3, the beginning of palm 4, and the last two sequences (black dragron swings its tail) are Gao Yi-Sheng style movements.
Master Lin teaches traditional push hands routines and a version called response hands which is more free form push hands. There is also extensive training on how to use cold fajin during push hands so one does not need to time to prepare the fajin. The Pre-Heaven system that he teaches allows the practitioner to fajin at anytime. It is the best system I have seen in my 27 years of martial arts training.
never ceases to amaze me the variations on ba gua.This teacher stops which breaks the flow of chi i think there could be shaolin influence there which would explain the difference to our form
Martial arts of any sort never cease to amaze me.
i think it's very awesome to note the similarities between the martial art i've practiced for a while (aikido) and ba gua.
take a look at 4:15. That's very similar to an nikyo takedown.
4:37 is very similar to shiho nage
and 4:45 is like a double nikyo move i was taught.
I think these kinds of things are pretty awesome. it just ties all martial arts together really. it seems if one were to compare, aikido is an even softer version of bagua.
I bowed after watching this video. Thank you!
只要对手是静止的并且他的手并在一起，它看起来就很好。 我想在真正的战斗中看到这些技术。
Thanks for sharing! Have an awesome day!
Very interesting.
I am a practitioner of Tai Tzu, Bagua is a beautiful art, I wish to someday learn at least a bit of it.
For anyone who wants to know what the first song is, it is called - Shake Shake Tataku: The Best of Kodo, Vol. 2 (1994-1999)
Fantastic performance and demonstration of applications!
Despite what you seem to think, a "real fight" is not what you see on UFC. Most real fights (as in fights between average people) are clumsy and awkward spectacles to behold.
But to the core of your question... which is deadlier: the rhino that blindly charges in and relies entirely on size and force, or the snake who makes a single, deliberate strike?
Both can kill you, but there is an element of blind luck when relying on force. When you have skill, attacking is an act of will, not luck.
One of my favorite moments in Avatar - when Aang is getting attacked by that bully in the fire nation school and he uses bagua to dodge all of his attacks. I know all of his fighting was Bagua, but it was especially clear in that scene :) :)
From a gross motor viewpoint, they are similar in that circular movements are used to neutralize an opponent and control his center of balance. However, Aikido focuses alot more on fine motor control of the wrists to lock and force a throw (showing its roots in Daito Ryu Aiki-jujutsu). Baguazhang utilizes more body-checks, leg traps and elbow strikes to trip or knock down the opponent.
Good form.
If I were to learn all three internal styles, which should I start with?
Hello Sifu,
What style of Bagua are you performing in the video? Many thanks for your time!
Xie Xie!
What is the music in this video? It's great!
very nice flow in the applications! Beautiful!
aang brought me here
Me too, I want to learn airbending forms. I shall study this Ba Guang Zhang...and I shall become, airbending masta!!
What a tick!! That's the same form they used for Aang on Avatar the last airbender!! It's awesome to see in action.
This is the style the "Good" Jet Li used in "The One" correct? Very fluid style - I really like the feel of it.
wow impresinante la tecnica, habra que practicarla mucho para llegar a este nivel.
this is awesome, great music, demos..give thanks
I like it , if you dont mind I'm going to add it to list of forms.Going to take awhile but I like it alot
@taipingvlg I do Yang Style Taijiquen and love it. Love the health benefits and it has helped my jiu-jitsu a lot by being more aware of how my body is weighted and moves.
truly and masterful form.
could you be so kind to tell me what artist and song this is, the drums are awesome!
Their forms is so pretty!!
that mattress gets a good workout!! good stuff!
Yeah Neji is awesome
Philosophy-wise, the two arts diverge significantly on the issue of hurting an opponent. Ueshiba's vision of Aikido was an art that could resolve conflict without causing harm to anyone, even the opponent; atemi and pain compliance is used only to effect the throw/lock. Baguazhang, on the other hand, retains its combatative roots in its usage of aggressive throws and counter strikes to disable the opponent. The two arts have the same circular concept, but two very different goals.
So you suggest one doesn't begin with Baguazhang? I just want to learn it now, it's so amazing!
Are there any guides to learning Baguazhang? Perhaps books or dvds?
Great clip and good applications, thanks.
well i used it in practice and it worked great. 2 were greco roman wrestlers and i used mantis, taiji, ba gua and hung ga. Funny thing is that when they rush you full force they can't change direction and just capitalize on that. Plus the crouching structure makes it easy to uproot if you know what you are doing and they don't change their weight distribution.
very impressive style. I first learned of this style from Avatar: The Last Airbender. i like how smoothly it flows from one move to the next.
Excellent Sifu Lin, I am going to send this to my Sifu (Starr) and friends. Many thanks for posting the Bagua video. May I ask what style of Bagua (Cheng perhaps)? Many thanks for your time! Xie Xie!
jeff
@ShuyuKoukin - please continue believing this. The element of surprise always makes things easier.
Nice Clip, i like the application as well
THx
amazing demonstration
The three internal styles of Bagua, Xingyi and Tai Chi are Taoist in origin.
The two most well-known schools are found on (Mt.) Wudan/Wutang and (Mt.) Emei.
And ofc, that's not including lineages...it can get a bit complicated, so it's prolly easier to just call them Taoist or Internal Styles.
In MMA there are over 20 foul strikes and techniques. Virtually all of which were just used in this video to hurt the attacker. I think the MMA guy would be crying for the referee after about 3 seconds. MMA is not no holds barred anymore it is now a sport and as such has no place in "as you put it" real fight situations. Grappling is designed for 1 on 1 wrestling sports but is useless if being attacked by anymore than 2 people. Bagua on the other hand is designed for multiple attackers
I have seen people start training in martial arts for the first time at much higher ages. So yes.
great video, thanks for sharing. do y'all make that music yourselves?
@goobtron You can start with Yang style Taijiquan or Xingyiquan. After you have learned the basics of Xingyiquan, you may add Baguazhang in your training.
This is so cool to watch. I do martial arts, but no way is it this refined.
What is the name of that awesome song that plays during the apps? Is it by Kodo?
does he do the 360 degree turns mostly against multiple opponents? a lot of systems advise against giving up your back or taking your eyes off a single opponent
Where can i find a Sifu in my area? i live in MA. i would dedicate every day any hour to this, i must find a Sifu. I have been hunting for the one martial art that calls to me, and none have called so much as BaGuaZhang.
How well does he teach?
so taiji can be used offensively and practically? i always thought of it as a good exercise for old folks
To my limited experience, it looks like it focuses on putting the opponent off balance, then using that to get inside of their defense. If I'm wrong, let me know.
@taipingvlg is this gao bagua
cause there is a school close to me that teaches gao style
I like this form, I wish I could learn it.
@tcharney123
The music sounds like Japanese Taiko Drumming, maybe it's a song by the group "KODO"
In a real situation maybe you can't use theese applications, but have respect for this master.
In a video a spectator can't understand what he is doing.
Maybe you've very more experience than me in this style.
@ShuyuKoukin What experience do you have with Baguazhang and Taijiquan to assert they are just silly?
@kelotz07 there are not much, if any flying manuevers at all. bagua focuses alot on stability of the user. so rooting to the ground and walking in a circle is one of the most important part. jumping into the air goes against that
Martial Arts were originally developed for combat in order to survive.
When fighting wasn't as necessary to survive, people re-invented it to meet other important needs.
A hammer can build a house or break skulls - the focus of the training changes, but the tools are the same.
On the contrary these two styles compliment one another,,this is the heart of Bomani Jitsu or Sanuces Ryu
Where can I learn how to do this? Any good schools in Florida?
Trabalho incrível
It is probably worth mentioning that as bagua was founded by Dong Haichuan during his years in Beijing and thus bagua should be traced by lineage from Dong Haichuan rather than connections to any of the famous mountain monasteries.
The performer sometimes walks in circles with his hands up. Does anybody know what the application is for this movement?
truly amazing
@chrisfreel How do you pronounce the martial art and is this wudang style
+Nitish Mohan It's mostly a grappling style, that's why it looks like he's pulling on an imaginary thread
I wish so bad I could train this. Seems there are hardly, if any, schools at my country of this art
Hahaha this move is so epic with the music! 1:22
really where is he located?
There's nothing fancy or complex about bagua footwork or principles. They're proven against multiple attackers and Bagua was used by Royal bodyguards etc. The comment about coming up against a jujistu player is unwarranted. I have been training in Bagua and Taiji for 17 years and have trained with "Jujistu Players". They were stiff, too wrapped up in doing their own thing and had no idea about sticking and flowing with an opponent. BUT this is all down to the individual not the style.
very nice clip
is this southern shaolin or northern shaolin
@MikeyItes Please see kitsuneopal's comment for the name of the music. Thanks.
To tcharney123:
I am sorry that I don't know the answer. I extracted the song from a CD a student gave me a few years ago. He didn't put down anything on the CD and he is no longer with the school.
I like, watching it. Every cool
They didn't actually cancel it. It just ended.
But I do understand you, I love that show pretty much myself. (:
very well said.
Byakugan!
@wesleysmithphoto Great comment I too do yang style Tai chi and have practiced Hungar
The Hyuuga Clan has the same style of fighting.
Also, M.K. said, that the 'Juken' ist based on this
What style of Baguazhang is this?
Master Lin is performing Cheng style of the gao yi sheng lineage
what's rumble righter?
Back when weapons were unavailable, we created martial arts to defend ourselves.
Now that we have access to firearms, practicing marksmanship at the range is our equivalent of their martial forms.
I'm answering your question on taijiquan, although this is baguazhang being demonstrated. There are misconceptions about both arts in the west. The way I see it, is that Bagua seems to have retained more of its martial background than taiji. The new age movement has a lot to answer for in this respect. Yes it can be relaxing to do, but this is a side effect of learning the fighting art that it is. If you learn it exclusively for health, then you are denying yourself half the art.
Great style, quite elegant and flows very well with itself as intended. I have a hard time seeing the practical application of the introduction movements. Seems like a lot of wasted movement
It's not wasted movement if your ass is on the ground.
I'm a student of Baguazhang and Wing Chun. Baguazhang has great foot work and block but not great for causing harm. Wing Chun teaches how and where to strike and how to do it quickly. Baguazhang may look just artistic, but it is great at the martial aspect as well.
+FlowWolf7 Tell that to He Jinbao LOL
Tão bonito ver!
nice office!!!!
It is indeed a Cheng style Baguazhang form.
It is a Cheng style Baguazhang form.
O'Sensei used to learn Bagua Zhang, and he used it to make Aikido more efective :)
talking abt bakwazhang or taiji?
traditionally, learn a hard style, then x'ing yi, then bagua. then tai chi.
but, do whatever you fancy. I started with tai chi. I have heard people say "my teacher says i am not ready for bagua yet" ,, i see no reason not to jump in the deep end.
x'ing yi 5 elements are a good foundation.
/watch?v=Ld3ek8i9pT4
Gao style bagua curriculum contains all three.
oh no worries. =)
i took taiji when i was young you see, but its mainly for health reasons.
Yes and Xing Yi was composed from marshal Yue Fei.
Not really, just legends.
is he walking right?
+Neil Etnyre Sometimes. The other times, he's walking left. :p
This deffinately looks like Aang's air bending forms from Avatar: The last airbender
I love the show with sooo much passion, you don't even know. Ugh I can't believe they cancelled it. Now they're making Avatar: The legend of Korra. I prefer Aang! My hubby [':
@michahberta Sure. Go ahead.