We Tested 5 Different Potting Soils - Here's What We Learned

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    In this video, we test 5 different potting soils for growing peppers in containers. If you want to keep things simple and grow your peppers in pots, which potting soil is the best choice?
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    POTTING SOILS (affiliate links):
    Fox Farm Happy Frog:
    amzn.to/3M9yr5s
    Fox Farm Ocean Forest:
    amzn.to/3Qpf3nl
    Miracle Gro Performance Organics:
    amzn.to/45DIlTE
    Miracle Gro Potting Mix:
    amzn.to/3tIRjSj
    Pro Mix Organic:
    www.amazon.com/dp/B00M2Z5HPO
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    Timestamps:
    0:00 About the soils
    1:48 Transplanting the peppers
    2:32 Up-potting the seedlings
    4:01 July update
    5:00 Harvesting
    8:06 Final results (price, yield)
    ***********************************************
    Thanks for watching Pepper Geek!
    #peppers #gardening #containergardening
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  • @Junkinsally
    @Junkinsally 9 місяців тому +198

    Pro mix doesn’t have extended release fertilizer! You must add your own. I’m a retired professional grower of perennial flowers and I used Pro Mix exclusively. Need to wet it with warm water first, then add your fertilizer. Continue to fertilize throughout the growing season. If used properly it will out perform any growing medium.

    • @PepperGeek
      @PepperGeek  9 місяців тому +26

      Thanks for sharing - I wondered why it petered out so quick. I did really like the consistency and that it stayed moist longer than the others

    • @citylotgardening6171
      @citylotgardening6171 6 місяців тому

      Thanks for sharing 👍

    • @roseknott2832
      @roseknott2832 6 місяців тому +1

      I'm glad you mentioned that the ProMix was dry....I thought I was buying old stock. I use ozmocote then for extended fertilizer.

    • @Playingwith3D
      @Playingwith3D 5 місяців тому +6

      I like Pro Mix too, no uninvited bugs in your home.

    • @Parker.planet
      @Parker.planet 5 місяців тому +2

      Agreed on the ProMix 😊

  • @heronthere
    @heronthere 9 місяців тому +263

    I screened the bark out of 2 different bags just to see how much it had. It was eye opening. There is no value in cheaper brands if it is mostly bark.

    • @willnedds8077
      @willnedds8077 9 місяців тому +17

      Would have been nice to see a cheap generic brand in the test. I've had relatives pick up the cheapest they can find and the bags are just wood chips with a tiny bit of perlite and fertilizer mixed in. The plants grow terribly and root rot is almost guaranteed.

    • @WynterDragon
      @WynterDragon 9 місяців тому +4

      Which brands did you screen?

    • @heronthere
      @heronthere 9 місяців тому +11

      @@WynterDragon the non organic miracle grow in this video and the fox ocean in this video. Miracle grow had a lot of bark.

    • @smas3256
      @smas3256 9 місяців тому +17

      Planting seeds and young seedling transplants definitely need screening when there are large organics in it like bark, in my opinion but for larger pot the bark will rot nicely and breakdown like in a compost.

    • @briangonzalez1541
      @briangonzalez1541 9 місяців тому +4

      I do buy pretty cheap soil as well. I don't have any big box stores in my small town so Dollar General "organic" potting soil it is. I definitely need to screen it, add perlite and compost soil from my compost. It has way too much bark so when I screen it, that bark goes into my compost and that too eventually gets screened.

  • @zinnia3190
    @zinnia3190 9 місяців тому +80

    I use a mix of Ocean Forest Happy Frog and Ocean Forest, along with some of my homemade compost. It was a great year for peppers.

    • @Damyankee1989
      @Damyankee1989 2 місяці тому

      Ocean forest and happy frog is an epic combo. And mix some pro mix in it for better drainage and aeration

    • @teniaosayande6355
      @teniaosayande6355 Місяць тому

      Glad i ran across this comment. Did this today on a whim. It's my 1st time at gardening & went for peppers, tomatoes and a few flowers. We'll see how it goes 🙂

    • @jcramirez8
      @jcramirez8 9 днів тому

      I want to use this combo so what kind of Fertlizer should i use and when do i use it im new to this? thanks for any feedback

    • @Damyankee1989
      @Damyankee1989 9 днів тому

      @@jcramirez8 Foxfarm has there own nutrient line too. They also have organic fertilizer which is what I prefer but I grow outdoors. I can't remember the names of there synthetic fertilzer. I think big bloom is there fert for bud phase. They probably have all kinds of different stuff these days though. But if ya wanna keep it simple use Happy frog organic that comes in a bag. There is an all purpose for veg and fruit and flower for bud

  • @voodoorecon8070
    @voodoorecon8070 9 місяців тому +200

    We need more content like this. Number based, performance driven statistics!

    • @SnarkyMcSnarkles
      @SnarkyMcSnarkles 9 місяців тому +4

      Ill be honest he missed an important factor. Flavor.

    • @gregleatherwood5218
      @gregleatherwood5218 9 місяців тому +7

      I agree, but, as the host said, "Of course this experiment is not statistically significant because we only had one plant for each category. You'd really need many, many more plants if you want to get some definitive results." The presentation is very enjoyable, but don't bet the farm on the results.

    • @chipsramek3868
      @chipsramek3868 8 місяців тому

      @@SnarkyMcSnarkles Not a word about Viscosity. ...Clickbait for Fox Farm :)-

    • @racebiketuner
      @racebiketuner 4 місяці тому +1

      N needs to be at least 13 to be statistically significant. There are many other problems with this "test." Not picking on Pepper Geek. It's the rule rather than the exception on UA-cam. Better sources of information are agricultural universities, their extensions and papers that have been published in peer-reviewed journals.

  • @FairyRosee_
    @FairyRosee_ 9 місяців тому +44

    When I opened the Happy Frog soil it smelled like how the island I grew up on smelled (okinawa). Just heavenly!

  • @jjudijo
    @jjudijo 9 місяців тому +19

    Thank you so much for following this project through the entire season. The numbers speak for themselves.

  • @AlvinKazu
    @AlvinKazu 6 місяців тому +18

    One thing to note to the newbies (I myself am only 1 year into this), is that each variety of plant requires different conditions. That means one potting soil might do better than another due to their makeup.

    • @Mark-gy9dc
      @Mark-gy9dc Місяць тому

      correct. Happy Frog works very well with Canabis. that much I can confirm. no need to feed for 3-4 weeks.

  • @Sharkdog11b
    @Sharkdog11b 9 місяців тому +1

    Seeing a new pepper geek video is always a bonus.

  • @johnowen7648
    @johnowen7648 8 місяців тому +7

    This year i planted my first inground garden and my soil was absolutely horrible like dried concrete powder. I decided to juice it all up so i purchased a pallet of Miracle Gro Performance Organic, a pallet of Black Kow Manure and 6 bags of 2 cubic yard bags of peat moss. I spread it allover my 23ft by 33ft garden and deeply tilled it all in. Everything went absolutely bananas including 9 banana pepper plants that ended up being almost 5ft tall and producing around 5 bushels of very beautiful pods. I also used MGPO in my 30ft by 4ft raised pepper bed and it absolutely was mind blowing as well. I live in the southern piedmont of NC. Absolutely love your videos and i appreciate the knowledge i have learned from watching!

  • @ButItsVegan
    @ButItsVegan 5 місяців тому +8

    Just started my first garden & everything has been a little bit overwhelming when it comes to knowing the best items to purchase for a good healthy garden. Thank you so much for this video!! ❤

    • @WeNeMoWe
      @WeNeMoWe 17 днів тому

      seriously everybody seems to have something different to say, and experts will just tell you it depends. Depends on what?!

  • @dunbarautomotive
    @dunbarautomotive 9 місяців тому +54

    Happy frog is our favorite

    • @PepperGeek
      @PepperGeek  9 місяців тому +5

      It's a great option!

    • @dunbarautomotive
      @dunbarautomotive 9 місяців тому

      @PepperGeek it's getting a little difficult to get it here for good price. Orshenlins carried it, but their company is gone now with tsc buy them. Tsc doesn't carry the frog.

    • @EricCheetoh
      @EricCheetoh 3 місяці тому

      Miricale grow did better tho

    • @zack9912000
      @zack9912000 3 місяці тому +1

      @@EricCheetoh full of industrial chemicals not organic material.

    • @EricCheetoh
      @EricCheetoh 3 місяці тому

      @@zack9912000 all of them do ...u slow if u think not..they all packaged in a damn factory full of metal machinery...miricale grow owns alot of other companies too

  • @anniebancroft1175
    @anniebancroft1175 6 місяців тому

    THANK YOU for this comparison of potting soil!! VERY helpful, and yes I'd love to see more videos like this.

  • @bobpeterson9207
    @bobpeterson9207 6 місяців тому +7

    I love pro mix. I use Pro-Mix BM when starting seeds. BEST root system hands down.

  • @MotoChili
    @MotoChili 9 місяців тому +13

    Good review. I've been using Ocean Forest for the past 3 years and always have great yields/results. Might buy some Happy Frog bags next year to mix with the Ocean Forest I used this year.

  • @sherrilackey-rn8rg
    @sherrilackey-rn8rg 4 місяці тому +2

    Love the comparison. Helps new gardeners for sure

  • @donethos
    @donethos 9 місяців тому +55

    It doesn't surprise me in the yield from Fox Farms products, their organic nutrients being taken up slowly and naturally will not only make for healthier (enriched with vitamins/minerals) peppers, but these soils can be revitalized and reused via soil amendments for your next growing season.😊

    • @alexgrover1456
      @alexgrover1456 9 місяців тому +3

      Arg! Vitamines have never been shown to be taken up from roots.

    • @snowmiaow
      @snowmiaow 8 місяців тому

      I never had good luck with that indoors, just outdoors.

    • @middle-agedmacdonald2965
      @middle-agedmacdonald2965 8 місяців тому

      Believe it or not, you can revitalize and reuse any growing medium. Even beach sand can be "revitalized via soil amendments" as you say. (meaning you add perlite/vermiculite/compost/peat/coco/nutrieints/etc. It's not really rocket science, it's just soil biology/composition. Heck, some people can even "revitalize" tap water with NO soil and get great results.

    • @hkschubert9938
      @hkschubert9938 8 місяців тому +1

      By organic you must mean steer manure. Does it stink?

    • @MeanOldLady
      @MeanOldLady 6 місяців тому

      That's the job of bacteria & fungus to break them down for the plants to take up.@@alexgrover1456

  • @renogreens4273
    @renogreens4273 9 місяців тому +1

    THANK YOU FOR SHARING! It was very informative and very helpful for this gardener.

  • @pattithompsett9540
    @pattithompsett9540 5 місяців тому +1

    I aee a lot of comments saying different soils for different plants, i think a lot of homegrowers have to keep it simple and are looking for a good multipurpose organic compost. This was extremely helpful

  • @WynterDragon
    @WynterDragon 9 місяців тому +2

    I loved this! Thanks for doing the comparison. I also liked the fertilizer comparison from a while back.

  • @kim7343
    @kim7343 9 місяців тому +30

    So this year I grew peppers in 4 Greenstalks..30 plants each. I had 2 filled with Espoma potting soil and 2 filled with Coast of Maine tomato and vegetable soil (red bag). Coast of Maine was the clear winner. Not only did the peppers themselves look healthier and were large for their kind, the plants themselves looked way better...more greener. Next year perhaps I will do Coast of Maine vs Happy Frog. Thanks for doing this comparison video. I like this type of video...very useful.

    • @Decoder2040
      @Decoder2040 9 місяців тому

      Premium Potting Mix:
      3 parts Peat, 3 parts Compost, 1 part Perlite
      Outdoor Potting Mix:
      1 part Topsoil, 1 part Compost, 1 part Perlite
      (Vermiculite can be substituted for Compost)
      Heavier Potting Mix (Prevent Tipping):
      1 part Topsoil, 1 part compost, 1 part sand
      Seed Starting Mix:
      1 part Peat, 1 part Screened Compost (⅛")
      (Vermiculite can be substituted for Compost) Optional: ½ part Perlite
      Raised Bed Mix:
      2 parts Topsoil, 1 part sand, 1 part vermiculite
      1 part Compost
      There are 25.71 dry quarts in 1 cubic foot
      If not using compost, transplant 2nd set leaves

    • @lovelight9164
      @lovelight9164 6 місяців тому

      I bought espoma for all of my plants this year and none of them performed as they should have, of course I bought supposed organic soil, compost and mulch from a new place this year and our summer was horribly wet at first then extremely dry and hot so I can't say what exactly happened but it's like all of my plants were stunted this year. Flowers as well as vegetables. So disappointed I doubt I will invest in any new seeds this year. I will need to clear out all of the soil from last season and start all over again.

    • @ProudCanadian-vv6bk
      @ProudCanadian-vv6bk 6 місяців тому

      I have put my seeds in Coast of Maine seed starting mix. I was glad to read your comment. I hope to get good sturdy plants.

  • @KaizenB
    @KaizenB 9 місяців тому +3

    I love your videos. You guys have really helped me learn a lot about growing peppers. You guys provide great content in general as well, thank you for your videos!

    • @PepperGeek
      @PepperGeek  9 місяців тому

      So nice of you, it’s our pleasure!

  • @LTeppler
    @LTeppler 9 місяців тому +1

    Extremely useful information for my winter greenhouse grow! Thanks so much :D

  • @Fairyofthegarden
    @Fairyofthegarden 9 місяців тому +38

    I use promix when I start my seedlings which works better than seed starter mix for me. And yes I hope you do more of these types of videos. It helps all of us

    • @kenbirkin7753
      @kenbirkin7753 9 місяців тому +4

      same with me

    • @vernlb1759
      @vernlb1759 9 місяців тому +6

      @@kenbirkin7753
      same here, I find that that I get a better root structure on my seedlings. I have grown my own seedlings over 30 years and last 2-3 years have used Pro-Mix HP Mycorrhizae and plant health and structure much better and experiencing less transplant shock. Never used Fox-Farm so can't compare.

    • @Decoder2040
      @Decoder2040 9 місяців тому +3

      Premium Potting Mix:
      3 parts Peat, 3 parts Compost, 1 part Perlite
      Outdoor Potting Mix:
      1 part Topsoil, 1 part Compost, 1 part Perlite
      (Vermiculite can be substituted for Compost)
      Heavier Potting Mix (Prevent Tipping):
      1 part Topsoil, 1 part compost, 1 part sand
      Seed Starting Mix:
      1 part Peat, 1 part Screened Compost (⅛")
      (Vermiculite can be substituted for Compost) Optional: ½ part Perlite
      Raised Bed Mix:
      2 parts Topsoil, 1 part sand, 1 part vermiculite
      1 part Compost
      There are 25.71 dry quarts in 1 cubic foot
      If not using compost, transplant 2nd set leaves

    • @goodcitizen3027
      @goodcitizen3027 Місяць тому

      I find that ProMix is great for seeds and new starts. I find the Fox Farm soils to be heavy.

  • @dean-Conjured-Vaporz
    @dean-Conjured-Vaporz 9 місяців тому +1

    One of my favorite videos you have ever done. :)

  • @larrymixer144
    @larrymixer144 9 місяців тому +11

    You should chose your 'soils' to match the job. Pro Mix is not intended to make up pot grown plants since it contains starter fertilizers that favor vegetative growth that usually will run out in a couple of months it isn't an organic. There are big differences between starter soils that are used to germinate seed and sometimes to maintain the seedlings in packs. Then there are potting soils for a light, well drained soil mix in pots, there are several container growing soils starting to show up on the market. It is great to see your results and the choices of the most easily found products available in most markets.

    • @Rick-ne9os
      @Rick-ne9os 5 місяців тому

      He has no clue about the soils he used apparently, Fox Farms is a hot soil that will kill some seedlings because it's so hot, so no surprise Fox Farms did the best with no feedings

  • @michelebarnes4059
    @michelebarnes4059 9 місяців тому

    Excellent, Years back, I had a nursery. The number one soil mix that sold the most was HAPPY FROG. Highest-ranking recommended and sold the best. Made a lot of people HAPPY-GO-LUCKY ❤ Thanks for you well deserved input.

  • @nedweeks6964
    @nedweeks6964 9 місяців тому +6

    Great test. I've tried lots of soils over the years. The mixes we use here is happy frog and the standard promix.
    Straight promix for cuttings. 1:1 happy frog:promix for seedlings and 2cu ft happy frog to 3.7cu ft compressed promix with 1 gallon Epsoma garden tone and 12 oz neem seed meal. I'm sure there is a better mix but it grows nearly anything and they hold all season with little care besides watering

    • @Decoder2040
      @Decoder2040 9 місяців тому +2

      Premium Potting Mix:
      3 parts Peat, 3 parts Compost, 1 part Perlite
      Outdoor Potting Mix:
      1 part Topsoil, 1 part Compost, 1 part Perlite
      (Vermiculite can be substituted for Compost)
      Heavier Potting Mix (Prevent Tipping):
      1 part Topsoil, 1 part compost, 1 part sand
      Seed Starting Mix:
      1 part Peat, 1 part Screened Compost (⅛")
      (Vermiculite can be substituted for Compost) Optional: ½ part Perlite
      Raised Bed Mix:
      2 parts Topsoil, 1 part sand, 1 part vermiculite
      1 part Compost
      There are 25.71 dry quarts in 1 cubic foot
      If not using compost, transplant 2nd set leaves

  • @astrozach7778
    @astrozach7778 8 місяців тому +4

    I’ve been using a roughly 50/50 mix of Happy Frog and Ocean Forest over the last 5-6 years for most of my potted plants. Both peppers and tomatoes seem to love that. I do add MicroLife 8-4-6 about once a month to keep the soil going strong. Hasn’t let me down yet.

    • @PepperGeek
      @PepperGeek  8 місяців тому

      Sounds like a solid idea - I'm sure the two only complement each other

  • @melvinrice9078
    @melvinrice9078 5 місяців тому +4

    I make my own organic soil and😮 i always use promix as my base. Promix also is a great medium for rooting clones and starting seeds so its really my go to for everything. I usually get 100% germination on seeds and when rooting cuttings so it's great in my opinion. Ive also used it with great success running liquid or synthetic fertilizer.

  • @foundgarden
    @foundgarden 6 місяців тому

    This is a great video!!!! You put so much work into it and I just wanted to say thank you!!

  • @Ellienollie
    @Ellienollie 9 місяців тому +4

    Pro mix stuff is usually more marketed as a substrate or component in a potting mix intended to be fertigated professionally. Its performance will shine in these conditions

  • @rozsmith6850
    @rozsmith6850 9 місяців тому +1

    This summer I used the MG Performance Organic plant food. I yielded more peppers overall than I have ever grown before, just using a pelleted organic plant food.

  • @budj13
    @budj13 6 місяців тому

    I do appreciate analytical gardeners! Thanks for your data. I find experiments are a huge part of the fun of gardening.

    • @Rick-ne9os
      @Rick-ne9os 5 місяців тому

      If done right with all the information, this video did neither

  • @jenniferjames346
    @jenniferjames346 9 місяців тому +1

    I love Happy Frog. I don’t even grow seedlings anymore, just add the soil to my beds and direct sow. Haven’t had an issue with growing anything, however I should mention I live in zone 9 so we don’t get a lot of freezing weather.

  • @thomaswolf6507
    @thomaswolf6507 9 місяців тому +4

    I run ocean forest after watching it outperform happy frog. I like them both, but it's important to note I spike my soils with Dynomyco inoculant and sometimes add worm castings, etc.

  • @janderson5224
    @janderson5224 9 місяців тому +2

    Thanks for this video. I've been unhappy with my current potting mix and will be happy to give Happy Frog a try.

  • @olafemio
    @olafemio 9 місяців тому +3

    I love a comparative analysis!

  • @fishstix4209
    @fishstix4209 9 місяців тому +3

    Happy frog and promix have always been my goto.

  • @briangonzalez1541
    @briangonzalez1541 9 місяців тому

    Thank you for taking the time to do this experiment. Its very helpful in my situation considering i dont have options for soil in my town. In the event that i have the opportunity to choose, this experiment will definitely aid in my choosing.

  • @franceshoward7112
    @franceshoward7112 4 місяці тому +2

    yes lots more experiments like this one, they are illuminating

  • @billierichter1379
    @billierichter1379 5 місяців тому +1

    I'm going to have to get some Happy Frog this year. My husband stopped and got some potting mix for me on his way home from work several years ago, and my seedlings did the best that years that they've ever done. I had completely forgotten that it was this brand until I saw this video. Thanks!

  • @TheNetsrac
    @TheNetsrac 9 місяців тому +7

    Great and interesting experiment, thank you very much.
    I don't think we have any of these brands here in Denmark, but it's interesting to get to know what difference the soil makes 👍🏻
    I usually go with a standard good-quality potting mix and add in some perlite (20%) and bit of vermiculite (5-10%)
    I add some finely crushed eggshells and some dried grass clippings to the mix as well.
    I don't know if this Is the right or perfect way to grow peppers, but hey it works for me 😊
    Thank you for all the good advice here and on Geeky Greenhouse 👍🏻
    Best wishes and keep up the very good work

  • @JM-lo8xu
    @JM-lo8xu 4 місяці тому +1

    Thank you for your dedication!

  • @BigboiiTone
    @BigboiiTone 9 місяців тому +47

    I have never forgiven "miracle" (more like a curse on your garden!) grow ever since I opened several bags only to find rotten wood chunks and bug eggs. There wasn't one molecule of anything that any farmer would recognise as "soil" or "dirt." It was literally just fungus rotted wood chips, spider mites and other random bug eggs. I threw the rest of the bags out and have only used HF from then on

    • @choccolocco
      @choccolocco 9 місяців тому +6

      And fungus gnats galore.

    • @wealthNwisdom63
      @wealthNwisdom63 9 місяців тому +3

      That’s why I had all those gnats this summer damn at least I still got a good yield

    • @choccolocco
      @choccolocco 9 місяців тому +3

      @@wealthNwisdom63
      If you ever have that problem again, you can cover the soil with a good layer of sand so the gnats can’t lay their eggs in the soil.

    • @benjamincarvin8031
      @benjamincarvin8031 9 місяців тому +1

      WealthNwisdom63 take a fan and blow it across your soil and turn it a few times until it dries out. Then use it like normal and you won't have bugs

    • @unnamed2737
      @unnamed2737 6 місяців тому +1

      That was the experience I had with happy frog in 2920 after years of using them exclusively. It’s so expensive where I am I never forgave them, never bought their product since.

  • @carolina_girl7795
    @carolina_girl7795 9 місяців тому +1

    This was very interesting! FoxFarm does sell smaller bags of Happy Frog and Ocean Forest. It’s $9.99 /bag for a 12 quart bag at the nursery where I work. We really like their soil conditioner too

  • @lindacook8819
    @lindacook8819 5 місяців тому +1

    I have used Pro Mix, Miracle Grow and some generic brands. I sometimes mix them all together when refreshing my containers for the spring, add more perlite, trace minerals, diotamaceous earth

  • @mombet9146
    @mombet9146 9 місяців тому

    Excellent video. Keep these coming!!

  • @joefization
    @joefization 9 місяців тому +1

    Great video! I've wanted to do this kind of experiment for years.

  • @nwrkrican
    @nwrkrican 8 місяців тому +2

    Great video and yes we need more like these.

    • @PepperGeek
      @PepperGeek  8 місяців тому

      Thanks, more to come!

  • @happypappy
    @happypappy 6 місяців тому

    Excellent video! Thanks! This is very helpful. I will continue to use Happy Frog in my GreenStalk gardens with more confidence!

  • @katiem9644
    @katiem9644 9 місяців тому +1

    Great video. Really appreciated the effort.

  • @summerbeemeadow
    @summerbeemeadow 9 місяців тому +1

    Excellent and informative. Thank you.

  • @hanzketchup859
    @hanzketchup859 Місяць тому

    I love these practical trials, Cheers! Well done!

  • @DavidWilmering
    @DavidWilmering 9 місяців тому +1

    I use the happy frog with homemade compost. I also use it for seed starting after a good screening with a riddle.

  • @StephenFrank9090
    @StephenFrank9090 9 місяців тому +11

    I always recommend mixing Ocean Forest and Happy Frog in a one bag to one bag mix.

  • @marthathompson2012
    @marthathompson2012 6 місяців тому +1

    LOVE this type of video!!!

  • @michellehughes7770
    @michellehughes7770 9 місяців тому

    Yay! New sub here, This is so overwhelming for me and I am glad you make this all easier to understand!

  • @davidandrews-lq6vy
    @davidandrews-lq6vy 9 місяців тому +3

    Just subscribed and looking forward to learning about everything chilli 🌶️ shame that over here in GB our outside season is very short but will have to adapt . All the best 👍

  • @durban64
    @durban64 9 місяців тому +3

    Really helpful very good presentation I dare you to do more vid's like this

  • @Omegawerewolfx
    @Omegawerewolfx 9 місяців тому +12

    I use the basic Miracle Grow. Sam's Club blows them out at the end of the season for $4.91 a bag. Just load up on as many as I want.
    For in season use, I use compost and coco coir with mulch on top. Water retention is pretty good and as long as you fertilize on schedule you should get a bazillion peppers and tomatoes.
    After the season, just mix in more compost and leave it.
    I do like the comparisons though. If I ever down sized and only focused on 20 or less pots I would consider the Happy Frog.

  • @cyndimanuel5473
    @cyndimanuel5473 9 місяців тому +14

    Wow! Here in MA I just paid $35 for the same 2 cuft bag of Happy Frog! I used Ocean Forest ($27 for 1.5 cuft - so both roughly $18/cuft) this year after doing a similar test on my seedlings with cheaper local organic brands (specifically Coast of Maine and Espoma) and finding far superior results with the Ocean Forest. When I went to get more, the clerk accidentally gave me the Happy Frog, and after seeing your results, I’ll give it a try! Crazy the difference in price. In my area, they only sell Fox Farm products at specialty nurseries. Great video - so interesting!

    • @michelemenard8364
      @michelemenard8364 9 місяців тому +1

      I am also in MA and bagged soil is hard to find and pricey. Walmart has bagged soil but they do not offer premium bags at my location.

    • @smas3256
      @smas3256 9 місяців тому

      Outrageous. Some of us don't have green houses to start seeds for an early garden to extend our season. When the weather doesn't cooperate I visit our veggie stands to help them stay in business. BTW. I don't like bringing bugs and their eggs indoors from my compost pile which I could use to start seeds. It may be cheaper to buy dirt and make a compost tea.

    • @justincentraltexas
      @justincentraltexas 9 місяців тому +4

      It's over 40 a bag for any fox farms potting soil here. Never seen it anywhere near 25 bucks.

    • @Decoder2040
      @Decoder2040 9 місяців тому +2

      Premium Potting Mix:
      3 parts Peat, 3 parts Compost, 1 part Perlite
      Outdoor Potting Mix:
      1 part Topsoil, 1 part Compost, 1 part Perlite
      (Vermiculite can be substituted for Compost)
      Heavier Potting Mix (Prevent Tipping):
      1 part Topsoil, 1 part compost, 1 part sand
      Seed Starting Mix:
      1 part Peat, 1 part Screened Compost (⅛")
      (Vermiculite can be substituted for Compost) Optional: ½ part Perlite
      Raised Bed Mix:
      2 parts Topsoil, 1 part sand, 1 part vermiculite
      1 part Compost
      There are 25.71 dry quarts in 1 cubic foot
      If not using compost, transplant 2nd set leaves

    • @rdred8693
      @rdred8693 6 місяців тому

      Aubuchon Hardware sells Happy Frog and Ocean forest.
      They also sell Coast of Maine.

  • @ChiliPepperMadness
    @ChiliPepperMadness 9 місяців тому

    Great insight and helpful tips!

  • @robertkempf8707
    @robertkempf8707 5 місяців тому

    Thank you for this! I've been using Ocean Forest for years with great success, but it's been harder to find this year so I was thinking of switching to Happy Frog. This video convinced me to do it! Can't wait to try it out.

  • @juice007
    @juice007 9 місяців тому +2

    Keep making kinds of videos! It was very good.

    • @PepperGeek
      @PepperGeek  9 місяців тому

      Thanks, more to come!

  • @truthiseverything9511
    @truthiseverything9511 9 місяців тому +3

    I'm very happy with Happy Frog.

  • @ricksanchez2010
    @ricksanchez2010 9 місяців тому

    I did this study ten years ago with groups of 8 Dr. Greenthumb/Iranian Auto G-13s in 5 gallon buckets under 2000 watts of 60/40 Sodium Chloride/Metal Halide. Also I included my own soil mix and used a fellow grower to do the work to keep the study from my bias.

  • @IAmHisBeloved5
    @IAmHisBeloved5 8 місяців тому

    Thank you. Yes, please do more comparisons.

  • @alexgoico402
    @alexgoico402 9 місяців тому +9

    Pro mix is fantastic if you’re not going to mix your own but you should mix your own if you’re doing a non-trivial amount of plants. Mel’s mix is fantastic - equal parts compost, coco coir/peat moss, and vermiculite. Better performance and cheaper. What you’re missing from pro mix is some of the amendments - one of the best ones is mycorrhizal fungi added to some of their bag lines.

    • @DeTroiT187
      @DeTroiT187 9 місяців тому

      My suggestion for pro mix never use it inside. You’ll get fungus Nas from their soil outdoor use. It’s semi OK but you pay for what you get.

    • @alonefungi2559
      @alonefungi2559 9 місяців тому

      Yes, this is the missing "control arm" in this experiment.

    • @erikahuxley
      @erikahuxley 9 місяців тому

      @@DeTroiT187Funny you mention that because miraclegro is king of fungas gnats. Promix only sell potting mix, they don't sell soil far as I know.
      You have to be aware of how the seller stores your potting mix, if the bags are left outdoor and gets rained on it will much more likely to have fungus gnats.

  • @Anne--Marie
    @Anne--Marie 9 місяців тому

    Thank you for this excellent video full of great information!

  • @HoRRiiBLe1313
    @HoRRiiBLe1313 9 місяців тому +24

    My experience. Ocean forest is a hot soil. I do a 50/50 blend happy frog(it’s very light on nutrients and mostly good myco) and ocean forest. This gets me a month after transplant. Seedlings always go in straight happy frog. I grow cannabis and they get burnt easily by the ocean forest alone. Learned the hard way. But I love these tests. Great info with real results.

    • @choccolocco
      @choccolocco 9 місяців тому

      I love happy frog, but got a bag of strawberry fields because they were out of frog, and it seems to be very, very good.
      For peppers, of course, but it may be my new favorite.

    • @TheOnlyKontrol
      @TheOnlyKontrol 9 місяців тому +1

      My experience. Ocean forest works just fine from seedling stage and if your having a nutrient burn issue the batch is either real fresh or your watering practices need improvement.

    • @stephbarbershop2518
      @stephbarbershop2518 9 місяців тому

      Strawberry fields is hot and not great for veg. @@choccolocco

    • @benjamincarvin8031
      @benjamincarvin8031 9 місяців тому

      Happy frog for veg and ocean forest or strawberry fields for flower

    • @tracyoneill4200
      @tracyoneill4200 8 місяців тому

      I have 2 autos in ocean forest right now and you're right it is a very hit soil .. I made the mistake of giving nutrients too soon and my girls got way to much nitrogen...next grow I'm gonna do what you do

  • @foodnwords
    @foodnwords 9 місяців тому +1

    I'm a fox farm ocean forest girlie, but have used foxfarm happy frog here and there.. maybe I will add it more often to my regular rotation!

  • @WillShattuck
    @WillShattuck 9 місяців тому

    I’m just trying to start getting into container gardening. I did not know you could grow peppers like that and grow bags. You have opened my eyes.

    • @Decoder2040
      @Decoder2040 9 місяців тому

      Premium Potting Mix:
      3 parts Peat, 3 parts Compost, 1 part Perlite
      Outdoor Potting Mix:
      1 part Topsoil, 1 part Compost, 1 part Perlite
      (Vermiculite can be substituted for Compost)
      Heavier Potting Mix (Prevent Tipping):
      1 part Topsoil, 1 part compost, 1 part sand
      Seed Starting Mix:
      1 part Peat, 1 part Screened Compost (⅛")
      (Vermiculite can be substituted for Compost) Optional: ½ part Perlite
      Raised Bed Mix:
      2 parts Topsoil, 1 part sand, 1 part vermiculite
      1 part Compost
      There are 25.71 dry quarts in 1 cubic foot
      If not using compost, transplant 2nd set leaves

    • @pamelaspooner7183
      @pamelaspooner7183 9 місяців тому

      You can grow in cardboard boxes! Works fine …just get the corrugated cardboard, not thin like beer cartons or Amazon boxes for instance.

  • @tiffanyi5645
    @tiffanyi5645 9 місяців тому +1

    Wow Fox Farm Ocean Forest has been my go-to! sometimes I supplement with orchid mix and perlite to make it suitable for more fussy/sensitive plants…maybe I’ll try Happy Frog next

  • @montibrown1408
    @montibrown1408 9 місяців тому +4

    What size grow bag was used ? What was your water schedule / amount per week per pot and or moisture decision process? You are providing a process of growing peppers with actions that provide results which provides a knowledge base to add to the learning curve of growing peppers . Thank you !
    happy frog over ocean forest

  • @johncarey5513
    @johncarey5513 9 місяців тому +3

    I was able to get a 112 litre bale of the Promix Organic at Lowe's for $30 Canadian last year. Usually a bag the size you bought is $12 up here. I've used it for a few years now with good results, but I do fertilize starting about a month after transplant.
    This year I've switched to a soil made by Fafard, and aside from having to add perlite I'm pretty happy. It's also $6 for a 30 litre bag.

    • @NanaPelletier
      @NanaPelletier 9 місяців тому +1

      I had great luck with fafard. I need to go back to my local nursery next spring to get more. .

  • @anneishaseaton3186
    @anneishaseaton3186 9 місяців тому +4

    Hi all. I love when you guys do videos like this. It tickles the scientist side of me. Lol.
    I'm seeing a lot of other recommendations here and would like to add another. Espoma Organics Land and Sea compost. I know its not a potting soil per se but I've seen its supporters get some great results using it in their gardens. It may need to be amended with some fertiliser to last an entire season though but its worth giving it a try.

  • @anthonyMLTC
    @anthonyMLTC 9 місяців тому +2

    Nothing but good things to say about happy frog. Used it the last 2 years and a few problems here and there but I don't think it's the mix. I will say you don't need to fertilize as much with seedlings.

  • @wishywashy1153
    @wishywashy1153 9 місяців тому

    Awesome experiment!! thanks for your hard work!!

  • @markwinsor446
    @markwinsor446 9 місяців тому

    Hi ! Loved the video. I usualy do a 1 on 1 comparison every year. Challenger vs. champion, and make adjustments. Thanks for taking the time and effort to do a 5 banger. I guess I'll be looking at Happy Frog for next year. And DEFINITELY do more videos like this..... Well played Sir.

  • @DyesubDave
    @DyesubDave 6 місяців тому

    I've been using Pro-Mix for about the last 10 years or so. When I started using this potting soil it was FANTASTIC. Now it seems to be hit or miss every season. I usually add compost, worm castings and other amendments to it. And I don't necessarily blame the potting soil as I only get afternoon sun which seems to be less every year due to trees growing in around my growing area. Also the weather seems to be inconsistent from season to season. It is one of the easiest for me to get and I can't find Happy Frog locally. If I do find some Happy Frog I'd like to try a mixture with the Pro-mix and see how that works out. Thanks for sharing the test results ... would love to see more vids like this.

  • @klcpca
    @klcpca 8 місяців тому

    Thank you for doing all of this great work. There is a very limited variety of potting soils in my area and I'm on a pretty tight budget. I want the best bang for my buck. Looks like I need to find some Happy Frog soil!!!

  • @user-wy9xs1xq3r
    @user-wy9xs1xq3r 3 місяці тому +1

    6month miracle grow potting soil is hands down the best. I've tried everything over 20yrs

  • @orkids5551
    @orkids5551 4 місяці тому +1

    I just bought happy frog soil & can’t wait to plant my peppers. Watched a lot of videos even using it on citrus containers. It’s very pricey from nursery. Thanks for sharing

    • @PepperGeek
      @PepperGeek  4 місяці тому

      It's a great soil, but fairly pricey. I've seen good deals on it in the fall when nurseries aren't busy

  • @bentgenetics8623
    @bentgenetics8623 9 місяців тому +1

    Great results with black gold potting soil

  • @Stinky1337
    @Stinky1337 9 місяців тому +6

    Perhaps a mix of Fox Farms’ Ocean and Happy Frog will yield a large number of larger fruits? I also heard good stuff from Gaia Green.

  • @Damyankee1989
    @Damyankee1989 2 місяці тому +2

    One of best mixes I ever used was 40-50 percent HP pro mix...then 25-30 ocean forest and another 25-30 percent happy frog

  • @bufordteejustice1119
    @bufordteejustice1119 9 місяців тому

    Nectar for the Gods #4 soil is great. I used ocean forest for a long time, but the Nectar soil is the best. Thanks for sharing.

  • @oregon32nursenurse43
    @oregon32nursenurse43 5 місяців тому +2

    Excellent!!! Thank you 😊

  • @coldtesla6212
    @coldtesla6212 9 місяців тому

    outstanding, Great pepper video's , I hope one day to get to the volume of your growing

  • @DontPlayVictim33
    @DontPlayVictim33 6 місяців тому

    Much love thanks for taking the time🍻 I crossed ghost and banana peppers in hydro 🔥 hottest peppers I’ve ever tried🔥

  • @galamonkey
    @galamonkey 9 місяців тому +4

    One thing I’ve done that has worked well is the bags of Earthgro Compost and Manure. They are crazy cheap and they say it is just a soil additive, but I have grown purely in the compost and manure and just throw a slow release fertilizer in at the start and I am having great results with it

    • @ZAPATTUBE
      @ZAPATTUBE 9 місяців тому

      It is cheap because they use human manure. Look at the prices for cow manure.

    • @galamonkey
      @galamonkey 9 місяців тому

      @@ZAPATTUBE Any source for this info? I'm looking around and I don't see anything claiming this.

  • @diedrehood9961
    @diedrehood9961 9 місяців тому

    Nice video. Interesting and thorough. 👍🏼

  • @marygrott8095
    @marygrott8095 9 місяців тому

    I use the FoxFarm Ocean Forest, but I've been considering switching to Happy Frog because the Ocesn Forest is expensive, although my seedlings always look very healthy. I'd definitely like to see more videos like this!

  • @PorchGardeningWithPassion
    @PorchGardeningWithPassion 6 місяців тому +1

    Very well done video! I haven’t used any of those brands, but was entertained anyway 👊🏻💥👊🏻

  • @soymilkmuse
    @soymilkmuse 4 місяці тому

    Happy frog is my favorite for tomatoes and peppers! ❤

  • @spawn1086
    @spawn1086 9 місяців тому +24

    I'm done with all organic soils! The mites drive me crazy! I started using sterile soil and adding nutrients, no more bugs and my plants do very very well, harvest was good. The ocean mix is tooo strong for most plants it needs to be mixed, the regular happy frog is full of bug eggs! I called the company to talk about their soils, I recommend everyone do so especially for expensive seeds!

    • @PhilLesh69
      @PhilLesh69 6 місяців тому +2

      I found a pdf on some obscure university of Kansas ag extension site for a good general purpose potting mix to start from. Theirs used peat moss, but I prefer coconut coir. It's three simple ingredients. Composted cow manure, peat moss and builder's sand. Some people add vermiculite or perlite, but I think both are messy or troublesome and less environmentally friendly.
      From that base you can grow a lot of stuff, and you can tailor it with all kinds of stuff like egg shells, green sand, epsom salt, coffee grounds, compost, worm castings, coffee grounds, egg shells, chicken p oo, etc.

    • @Drualeaf
      @Drualeaf 5 місяців тому +4

      The mites are harmless. They’re actually beneficial. If you have an overpopulation of mites, then you’re doing something wrong… like, overwatering or overfeeding. Foxfarm ocean Forest isn’t too strong. People have been using that brand to start seedlings for decades now. 😂

    • @Drualeaf
      @Drualeaf 5 місяців тому +3

      You should probably stick to synthetics.

    • @henryknox4511
      @henryknox4511 5 місяців тому +2

      You gotta cook the soil at ~200 for an hour or 2 to kill the eggs. Springtails will survive but they're beneficial.

    • @larryg2705
      @larryg2705 4 місяці тому

      There's several things you could do. You're likely overwatering. Try putting mulch after you plant/sprout. Mites and any other critter are organic. And a part of the decomposition process. I'd actually be worried if organic soil had no bugs in it.

  • @Zenlatin
    @Zenlatin 9 місяців тому +2

    For the first time, I used Just Natural Organic potting mix and had the best pepper harvest ever. I still freak out thinking of the gallon of hot peppers from the final harvest.

  • @jamiehairstuff783
    @jamiehairstuff783 9 місяців тому +7

    Fox farm is totally worth it. I have tried both and liked both. I get mine at my local farm store. They have it on sale regularly and at that cost it is only $3 difference from Miracle grow.

  • @MsSwitchblade13
    @MsSwitchblade13 3 місяці тому +1

    I just bought my first bag of Happy Frog yesterday. Here's hoping my plants love it

    • @j-r485
      @j-r485 Місяць тому

      How’s it going with your plants so far

    • @MsSwitchblade13
      @MsSwitchblade13 Місяць тому

      @@j-r485 they're doing very well!

  • @Redline6ix
    @Redline6ix 2 місяці тому

    HAPPY FROG FOR BABY PLANTS, OCEAN FOREST FOR TRANSPLANT TO FINAL HOME!