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Awesome guys, what would be great is for people who do not have the money to spend, as l have none of those champs except for holsring and Yannica, l am lvl 88 and have only ever pulled 2 Legos.
@@jdhcdfdfnikki3233 intimidating pressence would be like 17,25% crit rate + 30 % from a3 that would 47,25 stil need 52,75 % crit rate, champions come with 15 % , so 37,75% from sets artifacts , but don't relay on that they would be useless city and other teams that you could pair them . and at least + 1/3 of the best speed for fyna ex 240 you got him 320 at least if not they gonna stay attacking with -30 crit and when fyna get eat , youre just like f up the same so .-. dont know
@@sucraf1 she is usable on the old Budget ME/Pk (slow boy at 120 speed, Brimstone but not full books on A2). And comps thats allow extra turns; double ME and Double Demytha.
My Alaz can do 19m with a single A2 on Nightmare; he was the biggest omission from your list. Definitely one of the top 15 DPS for Hydra. Much as I used to love Acrizia for Hydra, enemy max HP is massively outscaled by raw damage, so neither she or Wallmaster Othorion are top 15.
Main damage dealers, Trunda on Normal with about 2 billion damage. On Brutal using Toshiro, about 1 billion damage. Room for optimization in both teams. But these 2 definitely took my damage to new levels.
What’s your Toshiro comp? I have as well, and he does great dmg, but nowhere near 1 bil for me. I do like to pair him with Lady Mikage due to her A1 giving him additional attacks as well, assuming of course he’s the only other shadowkin on the team.
@@VictusGMikage, Yncensa (used Eostrid in her spot before), Grazuur (for provoke), Gizmak (irresistable burns and good buffs), Tuhanarak (mainly for cleanse + block buffs). Toshiro is in 5 star heavencast blessing. But the gear is a bit sub-par. A mix of slayer and merciless, whatever I had spare. I just load as many buffs on him for heavencast und let him lose with the ally attacks from Mikage and Yncensa.
@@sandrokiedis9701Nice, thanks! I’ll have to play around with it. I don’t have Yncensa but I do have Eostrid. No Gizmak either, but I can find a replacement there.
Great video Skratch and Ash! I can't believe Michinaki didn't make the list 🥲I ran Wallmaster for the first time last week in 6 piece merciless and I can't believe how much damage he did!
Im in the cult and do think he deserves a soot in the list. Mine does 700 mil vs NM. Seen a handful better bunnyteams out there where razel doing 800-900 mil
To me, enemy max HP champs do far more dmg to hydra heads before decapitation. On decapitated heads, the dmg is very underwhelming with enemy max HP, at least for me with my gear and champs that I have.
so this list will consist of 14 irrelevant champs and trunda, the only viable endgame dps champ. Also for context, Michinaki and Valkonen both massively outdamage harima in terms of pure DPS. My harima is in by far and away the best gear of the 3 and only does around 60-70% of the damage of either of the other 2.
Ash, you'll see one of my clan mates use Toshiro on a full auto nm team. I believe it's just form 1 but keep a look out in our clash matchup. We're Odd Squad clan in your group
Great topic. Love the collab too. On your question: I run exclusively raw damage dealers. That said, Michinaki is one I would have included in the list, and as an idea, you could check HH optimizer date to validate some of the rankings. Anyway, thanks guys!
The optimiser wont have accurate data for this. will just show people using that, most top players dont use it though and they will be all used in different teams so that will be very inconsistent. Michinaki dropped a lot since the addition of Cursed Sets and stuff, his main dmg comes from hex and the A1
@@SkratchPlays my michi still deals 700mil alone on nm in 6 piece merciless even with a krisk in hex set. hex set hasn't made him fall off in the slightest
I’m not sure about the swap thing but using him this last Hydra clash he put up over 100,000 by himself and I let him flip back and forth. It was only normal…but my first time ever getting 200,000 in Hydra.
i had to laugh when you said: Do not empower your toshiro:) i would be lucky to get one copy of him in the next 10 years:) good video, keep up the work u do! love your content!
Problem with masha is his a2 "stealing" turns from the 1500. I agree hes doing tons of dmg but in the end you might be better of with another team comp. Ive thought of team him with another champ with leech/incr spd so o dont have to use a2
@@tommiejohansson962 I'm running a Mashalled comp and my latest run was 1.6B on NM :) even if he is "stealing turns" he provide Inc CDMG to the whole team and boost the dmg which may compensate those lost turns
Actually, if you got Togron, you can build a more stable team of Yannica-Wixwell, I'm running Yannica, Wixwell, Mikage, Demytha, Wukong and Togron, Togron keeps the buff so consistent to everyone even after the Mischief steals any, tho I can only do it on Normal, but I can deal 5B+ consistently with less rng with Togron on the team
So here is a dumb question. why is it that you can +4 a Trunda, but it is a sin to +2, +3 and +4 a Gnut? isn't Trunda better? wouldn't it be better to have 2 or 3 Trundas rather than 1 OP one?
Enemy max Hp champions like Gnut don't benefit much from empowerment as their damage has a cap vs bosses(10% of the bosses hp) so by doing that you have very little gains. Trunda on the other hand has no cap on the damage.
Surprised Ash picked Supreme Galek over Michinaki honestly. My most recent hydra run, Michinaki far outdamaged Supreme G taking half of the 400M damage. Needless to say, tanky champ lives to deal more damage. Galek definitely brings the utility though. And my team didn't have increase defense. Both were at 6 star awakenings.
I know we don't like saying his name cause people missed out on him, but Ninja should have made the list. He is in multiple 1.5 -2.5B NM teams from my clan cluster. If Holsring and U. Galek make it on over him, thats a crime imo. Also Acrizia is old news. Build any champion on that list with CR 6* and you have a better damage dealer than her and most bring buffs or debuffs to outweigh her usefulness.
So before i watch the vid ! Nightmare i get dmg from Acrizia, Sulfurion, Sicia, and Michinaki I made my Yannica/Wixwell team work for Brutal For Hard i use Hit DPS - Turvold, Whisper, and Wukong. Turvold/Whisper both 6* crushing rend.
My razelwarg is doing 700 mil vs NM hydra. Full slayer set record for team is 2 bil dmg. There are a few better bunny teams but think ive seen 800-900 mil from razel. So I definatly think he should be more than just honerable mention
You are missing possibly the most brutal hydra destroyer in the game....Sulfuryion...his A2 blazing barrier is so devastating and hits so hard and there's nothing it can do to stop it....he may be the best best hydra champ in the game,Sulfurion, wallmaster and archer are hydra goats
I’m still shouting for Fenax respect….im getting close to 3 million per double hit A1 on dead heads, if his A2 was %100 to land he should make this list.
Michinaki and Razelvarg are better than the maxhp champs in Hydra but you need end game builds. Acrizia is easy to build but drops off in the end game.
Can I give you a hint? Talking about mythicals is like talking about Ninja. Most of us don't think we'll ever see a mythical no matter how many shards we buy and it's hard to hear about how good they are.
Yeah we watch these to see if there's a champ we're sleeping on that we may have or even maybe one we'll reasonably get one day Oh cool a champ I'll never have is really OP
See I would loveto throw my turvold in hydra but I don't have a blessing for him and he's not plus anything so I don't feel like he would put the number out like you whales and krakens lol 😅. So question is should I wait until I get a blessing for him or just put some of my best savage or lethal gear on him?
@@SkratchPlays that one you get from missions and Ninja way over rathlos. Does way more damage with mikage and requires less of a set up. You need to many things to get rathlos to work
Marius is new, barely any people have him. So we will see him for the next list. But I will prop kick all the enemy max hp out as they can't do more than 300 mil no matter what and that is weak for top 15
@@SkratchPlays i used him in my nightmare team and it was 1st time I was using him with a very not balanced team. The team did 650mil on nightmare and died because of my fault. Could easily reached 1+ bil. He did more damage than my michinaki that has very solid stats in savage. After you test him yourself you can make another video about that I guess
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Awesome guys, what would be great is for people who do not have the money to spend, as l have none of those champs except for holsring and Yannica, l am lvl 88 and have only ever pulled 2 Legos.
Yoo thanks for having me man!! Always a fun time -- and OH MY GOD, I finally used Varl last night on my team and my man 100% lives up to the hype.
Glad to have you one brother! 100% He is an absolute monster.
Wallmaster Othorion
Oboro
Turvold
Varl the Destroyer
Gharol Bloodmaul
Toshiro the Bloody
Acrizia
Harima
Trunda
Yannica
Taras
Holsring
Rathalos Blademaster
Quintus
Graazur
Yannica is only 3.5 stars for Clan Boss. So is she good or not then?
I got Fyna and Othorion. I'd like to build a mostly elf team with 40% crit rate and Fynas passive, 5* blessing will make it 100% for team
@@jdhcdfdfnikki3233 intimidating pressence would be like 17,25% crit rate + 30 % from a3 that would 47,25 stil need 52,75 % crit rate, champions come with 15 % , so 37,75% from sets artifacts , but don't relay on that they would be useless city and other teams that you could pair them .
and at least + 1/3 of the best speed for fyna ex 240 you got him 320 at least if not they gonna stay attacking with -30 crit and when fyna get eat , youre just like f up the same so .-. dont know
@@sucraf1 she is usable on the old Budget ME/Pk (slow boy at 120 speed, Brimstone but not full books on A2). And comps thats allow extra turns; double ME and Double Demytha.
@@sucraf1they talking about hydra,
Great Collab Guys! Thanks for the shoutout and giving my man quintus some love!
You bet!
My Alaz can do 19m with a single A2 on Nightmare; he was the biggest omission from your list. Definitely one of the top 15 DPS for Hydra. Much as I used to love Acrizia for Hydra, enemy max HP is massively outscaled by raw damage, so neither she or Wallmaster Othorion are top 15.
You know it really sucks, I sold a 6 star oboro soul when I first started because I didn't think she was that good.... kicking myself now.....
Dude same I did that too dammit!
Bro my oboro not doing damage please tell me your oboro stats
I pulled Toshiro from a Primal Shard last week! Wasn't during a boost or anything, just got stupid lucky.
Main damage dealers, Trunda on Normal with about 2 billion damage. On Brutal using Toshiro, about 1 billion damage. Room for optimization in both teams. But these 2 definitely took my damage to new levels.
What’s your Toshiro comp? I have as well, and he does great dmg, but nowhere near 1 bil for me. I do like to pair him with Lady Mikage due to her A1 giving him additional attacks as well, assuming of course he’s the only other shadowkin on the team.
@@VictusGMikage, Yncensa (used Eostrid in her spot before), Grazuur (for provoke), Gizmak (irresistable burns and good buffs), Tuhanarak (mainly for cleanse + block buffs). Toshiro is in 5 star heavencast blessing. But the gear is a bit sub-par. A mix of slayer and merciless, whatever I had spare. I just load as many buffs on him for heavencast und let him lose with the ally attacks from Mikage and Yncensa.
@@sandrokiedis9701Nice, thanks! I’ll have to play around with it. I don’t have Yncensa but I do have Eostrid. No Gizmak either, but I can find a replacement there.
@@sandrokiedis9701my question is how did you get so many mythicals? Revenant summons or primals?
@@VictusG Good luck :) Keep working on it and you'll get there :)
Haven't finished watching yet, but ever since she got her latest buff, Teela has been my biggest damage dealer.
Great video Skratch and Ash! I can't believe Michinaki didn't make the list 🥲I ran Wallmaster for the first time last week in 6 piece merciless and I can't believe how much damage he did!
My main Hydra damage dealers are Gharol and Acrizia...I use the Taunt Emic team on Brutal
Expect a visit from the Bunny cult.. they won't be happy haha
Im in the cult and do think he deserves a soot in the list. Mine does 700 mil vs NM. Seen a handful better bunnyteams out there where razel doing 800-900 mil
@@tommiejohansson962 There is a 1.14 Billion bunny out there 🐰
To me, enemy max HP champs do far more dmg to hydra heads before decapitation. On decapitated heads, the dmg is very underwhelming with enemy max HP, at least for me with my gear and champs that I have.
You guys over-look ninja / mikage combo too. A well built ninja does 2.2mil damage on his a1 and his a2 goes nuts doing 800k+ per hit on decap heads.
mine does 3.4mil a1 on decapitated head 1.1mil a1 on nondecap
@chasetildown9033 niiice hows yours set up stats wise?
Nice List! TY Skratch! I may build Oboro and Varl finally! And maybe I'll try Turvold too!
so this list will consist of 14 irrelevant champs and trunda, the only viable endgame dps champ.
Also for context, Michinaki and Valkonen both massively outdamage harima in terms of pure DPS. My harima is in by far and away the best gear of the 3 and only does around 60-70% of the damage of either of the other 2.
Love the glasses scratch really take you to the next level 😂looking good bro❤
Thanks 😅
Ash, you'll see one of my clan mates use Toshiro on a full auto nm team. I believe it's just form 1 but keep a look out in our clash matchup. We're Odd Squad clan in your group
Gnishak Verminlord gets some pretty decent damage for me. The bombs and then the poisons combined really starts to add up.
Idk, he'll fill up the debuff bar and you won't be able to place crucial dwbuffs. Also not all heads are susceptible to poisons
@@Usernamenopassword I haven't had that problem and I'm just saying I have gotten a good amount of damage from him.
What about Valkenen?
Great job! But I think Valkanen great for Hydra too
Great topic. Love the collab too. On your question: I run exclusively raw damage dealers. That said, Michinaki is one I would have included in the list, and as an idea, you could check HH optimizer date to validate some of the rankings. Anyway, thanks guys!
The optimiser wont have accurate data for this. will just show people using that, most top players dont use it though and they will be all used in different teams so that will be very inconsistent. Michinaki dropped a lot since the addition of Cursed Sets and stuff, his main dmg comes from hex and the A1
@@SkratchPlays my michi still deals 700mil alone on nm in 6 piece merciless even with a krisk in hex set. hex set hasn't made him fall off in the slightest
I have Oboro with LM, +1 6 piece slayer set, 6k attack 350% cdmg, and I still can’t get her to smack. Is 9 piece set really that crucial?
It gives a lot of bonus over the fight but the big numbers wont be any different if youre just watching during the run
How much dmg on what difficulty do you get with her? And in what team? Disabled s2 on Mikage?
How about the big answer everyone keeps forgetting 6* Blessing or she's just window dressing.
Gala, alika?
Would holsring be worth building over them asussimg you have all 3? Wich one would you suggest to prioritize?
I’m not sure about the swap thing but using him this last Hydra clash he put up over 100,000 by himself and I let him flip back and forth. It was only normal…but my first time ever getting 200,000 in Hydra.
The Edit is Fire ! Thank you for the content :3
i had to laugh when you said: Do not empower your toshiro:) i would be lucky to get one copy of him in the next 10 years:) good video, keep up the work u do! love your content!
I have a 5 star turvold I don’t use for anything, going to give him a try with hex. Good tips! Which gear set would you recommend?
What about Ma'Shalled? He can deal at least the same amount like Varl and outdmg Rathalos easily. I think he should be in the top15 :)
I would drop Acrizia or any other enemy max HP for Him honestly. He does great dmg.
Problem with masha is his a2 "stealing" turns from the 1500. I agree hes doing tons of dmg but in the end you might be better of with another team comp. Ive thought of team him with another champ with leech/incr spd so o dont have to use a2
@@tommiejohansson962 I'm running a Mashalled comp and my latest run was 1.6B on NM :) even if he is "stealing turns" he provide Inc CDMG to the whole team and boost the dmg which may compensate those lost turns
no inquisitor or geo?
What speeds do you shoot for with turvold I've got him +1
Depending on the rest of the team, but mine is at like 230 speed
@@SkratchPlays ok thanks for actuality replying with a non automated response like a lot of people.
Toshiro does about twice the damage of Gharol when teamed up with mikage and Nekmo. Stay in base form.
Neh even with her in the same team the damage is almost Identical. 2 Bil each on Nightmare in the same team.
Actually, if you got Togron, you can build a more stable team of Yannica-Wixwell, I'm running Yannica, Wixwell, Mikage, Demytha, Wukong and Togron, Togron keeps the buff so consistent to everyone even after the Mischief steals any, tho I can only do it on Normal, but I can deal 5B+ consistently with less rng with Togron on the team
So here is a dumb question. why is it that you can +4 a Trunda, but it is a sin to +2, +3 and +4 a Gnut? isn't Trunda better? wouldn't it be better to have 2 or 3 Trundas rather than 1 OP one?
Enemy max Hp champions like Gnut don't benefit much from empowerment as their damage has a cap vs bosses(10% of the bosses hp) so by doing that you have very little gains. Trunda on the other hand has no cap on the damage.
@@SkratchPlays I see, thank you. so you want 1 Trunda and 2-3 Gnuts, a healer and cleanser and a provoker
@@ingolf82Ya, Gnut is probably the worst champion to empower. Double/triple gnut teams pretty much dominate everywhere in the game.
Fenax can hit as hard as Ash’s Torvold with his basic skill
Do you have accuracy on varl?
240 or so but I use him with Increase acc buff
Surprised Ash picked Supreme Galek over Michinaki honestly. My most recent hydra run, Michinaki far outdamaged Supreme G taking half of the 400M damage. Needless to say, tanky champ lives to deal more damage. Galek definitely brings the utility though. And my team didn't have increase defense. Both were at 6 star awakenings.
Oboro is such a beast with Mikage
I have both but they not doing anything on nightmare
Gnishak with low speed to prevent fulling the debuff bar, is not a bad option.
How does Ash not understand the damage mitigation that comes with AoE's?
Great vid Chaps
I know we don't like saying his name cause people missed out on him, but Ninja should have made the list. He is in multiple 1.5 -2.5B NM teams from my clan cluster. If Holsring and U. Galek make it on over him, thats a crime imo. Also Acrizia is old news. Build any champion on that list with CR 6* and you have a better damage dealer than her and most bring buffs or debuffs to outweigh her usefulness.
Huge fan of both! Seems yall need to redo this video and see if the list changed.
So before i watch the vid !
Nightmare i get dmg from Acrizia, Sulfurion, Sicia, and Michinaki
I made my Yannica/Wixwell team work for Brutal
For Hard i use Hit DPS - Turvold, Whisper, and Wukong. Turvold/Whisper both 6* crushing rend.
I love Scratch N Ash collabs, Not just because of the play on words 😂😂😂
What about HARRIER - Ash where was your honorable mention for Harrier after your collab with Saph?
My razelwarg is doing 700 mil vs NM hydra. Full slayer set record for team is 2 bil dmg. There are a few better bunny teams but think ive seen 800-900 mil from razel. So I definatly think he should be more than just honerable mention
Yep, I would knock down the enemy max hp nukers for him.
Always love a great collab!, will 6 star oboro next thanks for the ratings
I pulled wallmaster and he made nm easy as well as did 100 mil on auto 😅 I also pulled him with toshiro 😁
how did michinaki get snubbed
Most of his dmg comes from Hex and that can be replace with a cursed set now
You are missing possibly the most brutal hydra destroyer in the game....Sulfuryion...his A2 blazing barrier is so devastating and hits so hard and there's nothing it can do to stop it....he may be the best best hydra champ in the game,Sulfurion, wallmaster and archer are hydra goats
Hi, sulforion good burner but this damage dealers do hundreds of millions alone. Sulforion will barely break 100mil on an op account
I hope wix don’t get nerfed
How dare you not add Michanaki and Razelvarg
They would both drop the enemy max hp out of the list to be honest. I think they are better for very End Game players.
Like if you want to see a Skratch/Ash fusion for Skrash!
I’m still shouting for Fenax respect….im getting close to 3 million per double hit A1 on dead heads, if his A2 was %100 to land he should make this list.
i havent even watched the video yet and i love it already, thats what a collab with skratch and ash will do to ya.
Michinaki and Razelvarg are better than the maxhp champs in Hydra but you need end game builds. Acrizia is easy to build but drops off in the end game.
Got excited. built oboro. Did everything except the 12 piece set. Hit like a wet noodle. Bummed out
She doesn't hit like a noodle lol. Do you have the slayer set for her? If no merciless or savage+cruel
Y'all forgot Alaz! He does 1 bill damage on my brutal team
I’m building a +2 Slixus.. have high hope for him!
I got a 6star toshiro soul but no toshiro >.
Can I give you a hint? Talking about mythicals is like talking about Ninja. Most of us don't think we'll ever see a mythical no matter how many shards we buy and it's hard to hear about how good they are.
Yeah we watch these to see if there's a champ we're sleeping on that we may have or even maybe one we'll reasonably get one day
Oh cool a champ I'll never have is really OP
Update: I didn't get a mythical, but I just scored a second Sun WuKong after about 50 reds so far in the game.
Without looking my biggest damage dealer for Hydra is Artak
Trunda just trivialize all of them lol
See I would loveto throw my turvold in hydra but I don't have a blessing for him and he's not plus anything so I don't feel like he would put the number out like you whales and krakens lol 😅. So question is should I wait until I get a blessing for him or just put some of my best savage or lethal gear on him?
I cant get my taras to work that well in hydra, i wish i could but he juat doesnt lol
my 2 damage dealers are artak and rathalos
Y’all need to stop sleeping on supreme galek!
Razelvarg in slayer is a beast.. top 15 all day 😊
I got Trunda 2 weeks ago, so naturally she will be nerfed.
They just have to make hydra clash a point system and not based on our damage.. sure.. give people extra points for X amount of extra dmg
wow I have been playing for over a year in a half and I'm not F2P and I have none of the top 15 on this list. :(
I just got Wall master he is so good in 9 peace slayer. Build him in 9 peace slayer if you can.
Even 6 piece set will do great if 9 piece is not possible
U right. I'm lucky to have him in 9 peace.
Great collab, but no Michinaki? Has he really fallen off that much? Damn this power creep man.
Yeah Power creep is real. Michinaki will deal decent dmg on it's own but most of it comes from the hex. The cursed set changed a lot of things though.
Michi and Razel are top notch.
Quintus is pretty underwhelming in hydra. His damage is far behind Rathalos and Varl.
It doesn't reset when you switch back!!
Rathalos in full Merciless, 167M on Brutal
I got Rathalos going over 200 mil in NM in 6pc merciless, he’s paired with an affintybreaker/merciless Teela
Where's ninja on the list??
No ninja ? No morris ?
Who's Morris? Ninja not top 15 anymore.
@@SkratchPlays that one you get from missions and Ninja way over rathlos. Does way more damage with mikage and requires less of a set up. You need to many things to get rathlos to work
Marius I think he means
mezomel gang, not hydra for love lol
Alaz first form shouldve been included
Neh, he is strong on lower difficulties, but on NM I did managed to get more than 300 mil with him
3 more Fragments and I'm going to be on Varl fragment
Trundra, cupidus,
Screw this I want controversy.Any way I like this kind of videos.
Pretty sure both of you are using Alaz in Hydra and left him off the list, sad days sad days.
Marius is missing. He is one of the best
Marius is new, barely any people have him. So we will see him for the next list. But I will prop kick all the enemy max hp out as they can't do more than 300 mil no matter what and that is weak for top 15
@@SkratchPlays i used him in my nightmare team and it was 1st time I was using him with a very not balanced team. The team did 650mil on nightmare and died because of my fault. Could easily reached 1+ bil. He did more damage than my michinaki that has very solid stats in savage. After you test him yourself you can make another video about that I guess
@kouroshdadgostar8747 I'm sure the team did. I mean on it's own. Enemy max hp are all capped at 10% per hit
the problem is wix
Ew why am I seeing Quintus in the thumbnail?
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