I've the Synology DS923+ for a month now and I love it. Btw it supports inofficially 64GB of RAM. I myself have the original 4GB stick and bought a 32GB stick, have 36GB in total.
It's nice to know that the Synology OS is one of the most secure. I just went in after a few months of neglect and updated some stuff on my now old 2 bay DS213. Everything is healthy and I just use it as a file/media server so even that I think it won't get anything but security updates forward I'm fine.
I picked up a DS923+ on Black Friday for $480 US to replace my old DIY Unraid box. Don't need hardware transcoding as I use an Nvidia Shield Pro for my Plex needs. I only wish that Synology would open up the m.2 bays to use 3rd party SSDs for pool devices as I refuse to pay their overinflated pricing for their branded SSDs. Just put in 16GB of OWC RAM into it and it took it with no complaints. So far I'm happy with it and it's very power efficient, which was important to me.
Perfect content timing for me! And thank you for keeping the details on the screen the whole time! So many cut away and they're sitting there talking at the camera when I'd like to be perusing the details.
I had bought this Synology 923+ and I'm glad I haven't unpacked it yet, because when I watched your video that it was having problems with Plex for 4k encoding I unfortunately sent mine back. I hope that Synology will think about it and bring out a Nas that is just as well equipped, maybe even better, for example Intel processor 2.5 gbe lan. Thanks for the videos and I'm looking forward to your next one.
You should consider using a NAS purely for storage and have a NUC for cpu intense applications such as transcoding. NAS can be used for everything of course but it’s not really good at it.
Thanks mate. Looks like Synology hardware is falling behind. I'm still rocking the DS920+ and waiting for the HUGE generation jump to upgrade and push my 920 as the back up. Thanks again . Now over to Occupational Health and Safety matters - I think you need to secure that wall of NAS's to you right side, or I'll need to right you up Govna!! : )
918 for me, just curious of how many years are reasonable to have them before upgrading? Think it’s around 4 years now. Was thinking that as long as I have it backed up (Amazon Glacier and locally on a usb-drive) it should be fine
I hope Synology wakes up and releases a refreshed model before the end of the year 5 and 6 bays with better Intel processor like N100 or N305, ECC RAM, and more USB fast ports for local backups to external drives.
I hope with newer AMD Prozessors. AMD R1600 brings in ECC Support 2x 10GB, 2 Sata onboard and 8 PCIE 3 Lanes so the transferrate on SOC of around 12 PCIE lanes. Something like the N100/305 doesn't support ECC nativly, only got 9 Lanes and needs expensiv Chips. Yes it needs double the Power of a N100 but it doesn't need as many support Chips. Which means all in all the powerconsumption would be lower and most importantly those PCIE Switch Chips are expensiv and the costumers have to buy them, the DS923+ only got one. The only Drawback is the Transcoding performance which is poor compared to an intel NAS. Something with an R2314 yould be nice 4/4 cores/threads and 16 PCIE lanes. Or a V2516/V3C14 with 20 lanes.
Both Intel and AMD did the Q-tier thing about 10 years ago. Both moved away from it due to the high frequency of data loss moving data from the slow storage to the fast storage. If you want read caching you ideally want something that copies the files to fast storage or memory without risking the original data via a move, which is why ZFS is a much better option.
Why is the Best Value mentioned in the description different from what you talk about in the video? Is the description wrong or did you update it since the video?
More I watch these videos more indecisive I am. I'm a beginner wildlife photographer. Every day I realise that I need a NAS that can cope with the apetite of storage space required by this hobby. So the exam question is, if you were in a situation like me, which NAS would you recommend to go with. Thank you very much and keep the good work.storage
Sounds like you are in need of a lot of storage. Maybe the 923+ because you can use the 5 Bay expansion system later. It also depends on what format you save the picture files. RAW takes a lot of space
I've looked all over for the TS-464 with 4 Gb of RAM and expanding to 16 Gb. Apparently that's now a thing of the past unless there is some old stock out there. QNAP's web site only shows this model as 8Gb installed and 8Gb maximum.
Help Q: I am upgrading my NAS. currently have the WD EX2 Ultra and had it for 6+ years and tired of Plex movies buffering randomly. Looking at the 4 suggested 4 bay models and confused which one is best for Media Hub (movies, pictures, Time Machine backups etc Believe I must stay with Intel I am also not sure of the SSD expanded bays for caching or storage and how to effectively use in my setup. Thinking 16 GB ram and a newer processor and GPU Which one of the 4 suggested best fits my needs and is the software UI that important ?
I went for ts-464. My friend told me that synology restricts you a bit, when it comes to app version you install for example. Qnap will not stop you from installing vpn you want.
I'd like to get a NAS to play with, but as my main aging Z270/7700K-based rig has 2 NVME slots and 6 SATA ports, until I have needs exceeding what even a pair of mirrored 4 TB drives provide easily, I just can't find a need. (Wife and kids use just laptop, and, primarily, i-pads/i-phones.)
I still run a 469Pro since 2014 and even a recent newer model offered little in improvement so it went back. If I went for anything it would be the h474 because it's decent build quality and not captain plastic
Hey I have a Qnap TVS-473+ I think that i upgraded to 32gigs of ram and 4 4tb WD red drives. I still dont fully untilize to its full potental it but it is neat to host Plex and back up my essental files like rom savestates with syncthing so i can continue my progress across all devices
For a video editing NAS I picked up a Lenovo P520 with Xeon W-2135 for $120 on eBay and threw in 64GB DDR4 2933Mhz RAM in case I want to up[grade to a Xeon W-22x5. There is a dual hard drive cage from Lenovo, so you can get 4 drives, and you can fit 3 more drive bays in the 5.25" slots for 7 drives and up to 9 PCIe Gen 3x4 NVMes without a GPU, or you can find a PCIe x4 GPU.
You don't need transcoding if you're streaming media on the same network. All your TVs, tablets and phones made after 2015-ish can play any video, unless you have 200Mbps stupidity in your film collection.
Yeah the ds923+ is a good synology nas , but if you need extra ram , then switch to the ds1522+ , the extra bay and the extra ram is a better for the same price(ram upgrade)
@@MynameisEGIS If you buy synology branded SODIMMs for the NAS. It's the truest case of highway robbery. You can still get third-party RAM though but the 1522 comes with 8G preinstalled rather than 4G and has another drive bay for a $100 price increase and has all the same features including the same CPU, so it can make sense if you don't need more than 8G RAM at first.
Purchased in DEC 2023 Qnap TS-464 and in the end of January 2024 it just dies. Faulty motherboard, and now, checking problems, looks like this is known problem with all TS *64 series, which you will never heard in these videos
The problem i have with these boxes is if i mirror the drives, and the box fails, i can't take the drive and plug it into a computer and read the data, it's not formatted right. are there any data storage solutions where i can have redundant drives and be able to take a drive and plug it into another computer should the box i have them plugged into fail?
What you are discussing is a file system issue. You can use UnRAID or TRUENAS DiY and if they fail, you can mount these file systems with less fuss than the proprietary layout or data in most other turnkey solutions (Synology, QNAP, etc). However, it will still never be as streamlined as just bunging them in a JBOD USB enclosure and seeing the data. Sorry man
@@nascompares Thanks for the answer. that's unfortunate, it seems buying one box would give a person a false sense of security, they think they have data redundancy, but they have One point of failure with the box, and if they use that box for several years to to the point where it's no longer sold, they could be left with data stored on drives they can't read because the box quit or was damaged. you'd basically have to buy at least 2 boxes... I understand that would be the case for raid 0 or 5, or any of the striping or parity formats. i guess the only thing i could think to do is have a windows box with a program that just copied new files from one drive to the other(s) that way i can take them and plug them into pretty much any other machine... to me having a platform agnostic data format(at least to the degree you can) is just as important as having data stored on multiple drives.
with HDDs having higher and higher capacities, it's more and more relevant to think about RAID6 and so at least 5-6 bays (or RAID1 with 2-bay NAS), and also there's 10Gbe to benefit from 6-8 HDDs effectively.... ....maybe whole 4-bay market will diminish in next few years?
I'm not sure why you're recommending any of these? A NAS without 10GBe in 2023 has a major bottleneck (sure you can add them to two of these devices but that's extra expense that would bring a lot of NAS with 10GBe built in into the conversation).
Funny he mentions Mac compatibility. From what I have seen all NAS software doesn’t have SMB setup that works with MacOS. QNAP does still supports old AFP which can get you by. I know everyone likes to blame Apple. But you aren’t going to get them to change to support your NAS.
Thanks for being a good sport and supporting me and Eddie (NASCompares) in what we do! Really, really appreciate the donation, as I know how easy it is to watch and not do! You sir, are a hero!
@@Wahiniesself build PC may be more powerful in terms of transcoding (still depends on its hardware ofc), but I doubt it will be in same small form factor, efficient in terms of electricity usage (NASes are mostly for 24/7 accessibility/working flow and electricity cost money as we know), have user friendly UI easy to install and full of preinstalled features like surveillance software etc, ready out of box and so on... If you need only transcoding and don't care about form factor, monthly electricity bills, noise and ready to spend time on making hardware and software working - DIY is your choice. I'm living in quite small apartments, have work eating a lot of time. 920+ was my choice for many reasons including mentioned above. And it does many jobs I needed (including transcoding) just fine..
Never again hdd . I put 2xIntel D3-4510 3.84TB in my DS218+ and I will never put an HDD in it again. Silence is peace! The HDDs went to the garage as a copy. For home use, I don't understand why people need more than two bays
Peeps don't realise how much content you can add to your library in a short time! Before you know it, you have thousands of movies and TV series.@@john_in_phoenix
I do, but rarely here in the comments. Too many to stay on top of and follow up. As mentioned in the vids, use the free advice section on NASCompares or the Kofi/Patreon bits. Cheers for watching man
I've the Synology DS923+ for a month now and I love it. Btw it supports inofficially 64GB of RAM. I myself have the original 4GB stick and bought a 32GB stick, have 36GB in total.
It's nice to know that the Synology OS is one of the most secure. I just went in after a few months of neglect and updated some stuff on my now old 2 bay DS213. Everything is healthy and I just use it as a file/media server so even that I think it won't get anything but security updates forward I'm fine.
I picked up a DS923+ on Black Friday for $480 US to replace my old DIY Unraid box. Don't need hardware transcoding as I use an Nvidia Shield Pro for my Plex needs. I only wish that Synology would open up the m.2 bays to use 3rd party SSDs for pool devices as I refuse to pay their overinflated pricing for their branded SSDs. Just put in 16GB of OWC RAM into it and it took it with no complaints. So far I'm happy with it and it's very power efficient, which was important to me.
Perfect content timing for me! And thank you for keeping the details on the screen the whole time! So many cut away and they're sitting there talking at the camera when I'd like to be perusing the details.
I had bought this Synology 923+ and I'm glad I haven't unpacked it yet, because when I watched your video that it was having problems with Plex for 4k encoding I unfortunately sent mine back. I hope that Synology will think about it and bring out a Nas that is just as well equipped, maybe even better, for example Intel processor 2.5 gbe lan. Thanks for the videos and I'm looking forward to your next one.
Which you bought? 423+?
@@Donbros I am still waiting and hoping that Synology will release a product this year and pray that this time it is built with an Intel chip.
You should consider using a NAS purely for storage and have a NUC for cpu intense applications such as transcoding. NAS can be used for everything of course but it’s not really good at it.
Thanks mate. Looks like Synology hardware is falling behind. I'm still rocking the DS920+ and waiting for the HUGE generation jump to upgrade and push my 920 as the back up. Thanks again .
Now over to Occupational Health and Safety matters - I think you need to secure that wall of NAS's to you right side, or I'll need to right you up Govna!! : )
DS920+ still to me for personal cloud.
918 for me, just curious of how many years are reasonable to have them before upgrading? Think it’s around 4 years now. Was thinking that as long as I have it backed up (Amazon Glacier and locally on a usb-drive) it should be fine
Im also using 920+ and feel great about not getting 923.
I hope Synology wakes up and releases a refreshed model before the end of the year 5 and 6 bays with better Intel processor like N100 or N305, ECC RAM, and more USB fast ports for local backups to external drives.
I hope with newer AMD Prozessors. AMD R1600 brings in ECC Support 2x 10GB, 2 Sata onboard and 8 PCIE 3 Lanes so the transferrate on SOC of around 12 PCIE lanes. Something like the N100/305 doesn't support ECC nativly, only got 9 Lanes and needs expensiv Chips. Yes it needs double the Power of a N100 but it doesn't need as many support Chips. Which means all in all the powerconsumption would be lower and most importantly those PCIE Switch Chips are expensiv and the costumers have to buy them, the DS923+ only got one. The only Drawback is the Transcoding performance which is poor compared to an intel NAS. Something with an R2314 yould be nice 4/4 cores/threads and 16 PCIE lanes. Or a V2516/V3C14 with 20 lanes.
Both Intel and AMD did the Q-tier thing about 10 years ago. Both moved away from it due to the high frequency of data loss moving data from the slow storage to the fast storage. If you want read caching you ideally want something that copies the files to fast storage or memory without risking the original data via a move, which is why ZFS is a much better option.
Why is the Best Value mentioned in the description different from what you talk about in the video? Is the description wrong or did you update it since the video?
More I watch these videos more indecisive I am. I'm a beginner wildlife photographer. Every day I realise that I need a NAS that can cope with the apetite of storage space required by this hobby. So the exam question is, if you were in a situation like me, which NAS would you recommend to go with. Thank you very much and keep the good work.storage
Sounds like you are in need of a lot of storage. Maybe the 923+ because you can use the 5 Bay expansion system later. It also depends on what format you save the picture files. RAW takes a lot of space
I've looked all over for the TS-464 with 4 Gb of RAM and expanding to 16 Gb. Apparently that's now a thing of the past unless there is some old stock out there. QNAP's web site only shows this model as 8Gb installed and 8Gb maximum.
Help Q: I am upgrading my NAS. currently have the WD EX2 Ultra and had it for 6+ years and tired of Plex movies buffering randomly.
Looking at the 4 suggested 4 bay models and confused which one is best for Media Hub (movies, pictures, Time Machine backups etc Believe I must stay with Intel
I am also not sure of the SSD expanded bays for caching or storage and how to effectively use in my setup.
Thinking 16 GB ram and a newer processor and GPU
Which one of the 4 suggested best fits my needs and is the software UI that important ?
I went for ts-464. My friend told me that synology restricts you a bit, when it comes to app version you install for example. Qnap will not stop you from installing vpn you want.
I'd like to get a NAS to play with, but as my main aging Z270/7700K-based rig has 2 NVME slots and 6 SATA ports, until I have needs exceeding what even a pair of mirrored 4 TB drives provide easily, I just can't find a need. (Wife and kids use just laptop, and, primarily, i-pads/i-phones.)
Good advice, thank you. Is there an easy way to upgrade from a Synology 2 bay to a 4 bay? Thank you
I still run a 469Pro since 2014 and even a recent newer model offered little in improvement so it went back. If I went for anything it would be the h474 because it's decent build quality and not captain plastic
still running DS918+ just fine, as long as Synology supports latest DSM 7 versions on it, I won't jump off :D
I can't make a purchase decision without knowing the "idle" & "under load" HDD temps of these units. Do you have this information? Thank you.
A bit off topic, but what would you recommend for the backup solution for a home based DS923+
Hey I have a Qnap TVS-473+ I think that i upgraded to 32gigs of ram and 4 4tb WD red drives. I still dont fully untilize to its full potental it but it is neat to host Plex and back up my essental files like rom savestates with syncthing so i can continue my progress across all devices
Just bought the lockerstor 4 gen 2. Damn great machine this.
I was literally looking to upgrade since 10 this morning... mind reader.
For a video editing NAS I picked up a Lenovo P520 with Xeon W-2135 for $120 on eBay and threw in 64GB DDR4 2933Mhz RAM in case I want to up[grade to a Xeon W-22x5. There is a dual hard drive cage from Lenovo, so you can get 4 drives, and you can fit 3 more drive bays in the 5.25" slots for 7 drives and up to 9 PCIe Gen 3x4 NVMes without a GPU, or you can find a PCIe x4 GPU.
DS923+ with out video transcoding and you still say is the best NAS ? Any home user is much better of with the DS423+.
You don't need transcoding if you're streaming media on the same network. All your TVs, tablets and phones made after 2015-ish can play any video, unless you have 200Mbps stupidity in your film collection.
Who trasncodes in 2023
Try to use theirs own Synology fotos application with transcoding and with out.
@@ymeshulin Anyway, I don't care less, I don't think I will ever buy a Synology again, just trying to warn some Synology fans.
Yeah the ds923+ is a good synology nas , but if you need extra ram , then switch to the ds1522+ , the extra bay and the extra ram is a better for the same price(ram upgrade)
1522+ is £729.97 since when ram cost you £200
@@MynameisEGIS If you buy synology branded SODIMMs for the NAS. It's the truest case of highway robbery. You can still get third-party RAM though but the 1522 comes with 8G preinstalled rather than 4G and has another drive bay for a $100 price increase and has all the same features including the same CPU, so it can make sense if you don't need more than 8G RAM at first.
Link to that network/NVMe card?
I upgraded to a 8 bay… waiting for the best 8 bay NAS list
Should be live next weekend
How much data do you store before heading for an 8-bay? Must be a lot if you have it at home as a Nas…
Purchased in DEC 2023 Qnap TS-464 and in the end of January 2024 it just dies. Faulty motherboard, and now, checking problems, looks like this is known problem with all TS *64 series, which you will never heard in these videos
The problem i have with these boxes is if i mirror the drives, and the box fails, i can't take the drive and plug it into a computer and read the data, it's not formatted right. are there any data storage solutions where i can have redundant drives and be able to take a drive and plug it into another computer should the box i have them plugged into fail?
What you are discussing is a file system issue. You can use UnRAID or TRUENAS DiY and if they fail, you can mount these file systems with less fuss than the proprietary layout or data in most other turnkey solutions (Synology, QNAP, etc). However, it will still never be as streamlined as just bunging them in a JBOD USB enclosure and seeing the data. Sorry man
@@nascompares Thanks for the answer. that's unfortunate, it seems buying one box would give a person a false sense of security, they think they have data redundancy, but they have One point of failure with the box, and if they use that box for several years to to the point where it's no longer sold, they could be left with data stored on drives they can't read because the box quit or was damaged. you'd basically have to buy at least 2 boxes...
I understand that would be the case for raid 0 or 5, or any of the striping or parity formats. i guess the only thing i could think to do is have a windows box with a program that just copied new files from one drive to the other(s) that way i can take them and plug them into pretty much any other machine... to me having a platform agnostic data format(at least to the degree you can) is just as important as having data stored on multiple drives.
with HDDs having higher and higher capacities, it's more and more relevant to think about RAID6 and so at least 5-6 bays (or RAID1 with 2-bay NAS), and also there's 10Gbe to benefit from 6-8 HDDs effectively....
....maybe whole 4-bay market will diminish in next few years?
I'm not sure why you're recommending any of these? A NAS without 10GBe in 2023 has a major bottleneck (sure you can add them to two of these devices but that's extra expense that would bring a lot of NAS with 10GBe built in into the conversation).
Funny he mentions Mac compatibility. From what I have seen all NAS software doesn’t have SMB setup that works with MacOS. QNAP does still supports old AFP which can get you by. I know everyone likes to blame Apple. But you aren’t going to get them to change to support your NAS.
Nice presentation.
DS923+ rules! 🤟
Thanks!
Thanks for being a good sport and supporting me and Eddie (NASCompares) in what we do! Really, really appreciate the donation, as I know how easy it is to watch and not do! You sir, are a hero!
what's ii ?
Which one is the best plex server
A self built PC because transcoding will put the hurt on any of these.
@@Wahiniesself build PC may be more powerful in terms of transcoding (still depends on its hardware ofc), but I doubt it will be in same small form factor, efficient in terms of electricity usage (NASes are mostly for 24/7 accessibility/working flow and electricity cost money as we know), have user friendly UI easy to install and full of preinstalled features like surveillance software etc, ready out of box and so on...
If you need only transcoding and don't care about form factor, monthly electricity bills, noise and ready to spend time on making hardware and software working - DIY is your choice.
I'm living in quite small apartments, have work eating a lot of time. 920+ was my choice for many reasons including mentioned above. And it does many jobs I needed (including transcoding) just fine..
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Synology cannot be top 10 NAS for what they put out. Asus and Qnap all the way.
Never again hdd . I put 2xIntel D3-4510 3.84TB in my DS218+ and I will never put an HDD in it again. Silence is peace! The HDDs went to the garage as a copy. For home use, I don't understand why people need more than two bays
At least for my Plex library, there are no drives large enough to make a 2 bay solution possible for my home use. Even a 4 bay solution is pushing it.
Peeps don't realise how much content you can add to your library in a short time! Before you know it, you have thousands of movies and TV series.@@john_in_phoenix
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Do you reply to questions about NAS?
I do, but rarely here in the comments. Too many to stay on top of and follow up. As mentioned in the vids, use the free advice section on NASCompares or the Kofi/Patreon bits. Cheers for watching man
the explanation per device is too long