I really enjoy the 'ride along' format of this video more than Wendell unboxing something at the bench and quickly kicking the tires before wrapping up. This model is a good middle of the road compromise, but I feel like the biggest advantage a volume supplier like TM can offer consumers is volume pricing. The MAX version of this NAS really should include a W-chipset mobo with ECC support.
Nice to see these new NAS boxes with actual decent hardware like the UGREENs. I have the 8-bay UGREEN with the 1235U running Proxmox and DSM on a VM and it's been a dream. So much more power than the crap hardware Synology offers at the moment.
This is an *incredibly* good NAS set up/tutorial video, hidden in a random NAS review. If I had watched this video 5 years ago it would have answered so many questions that I found the answers for organically over time
This gives me peace and happiness: grabbing my cup of tea and seeing a new 40min video came up with Wendell rambling while setting up stuff and giving little nuggets of gold knowledge. ❤
I use a decent 2230 ssd in a usb carrier as a flash drive, it's adorable and it's extremely responsive as opposed to actual thumb drives, not too much more expensive either.
Acutally picked up some Toshiba MG Enterprise drives as they were slightly cheaper than their N300 drives when I was looking, way higher workload rating, higher MTBF and 2 more years warranty from 3 to 5.
I was very impressed with the i5-1235u. I have a cheap dell inspiron 3520 from best buy that has it and I outfitted a bunch of upgrades (under $700 all-in). It's a fun mobile dev and vm box for running lots of small workloads. Right now I have it running Qubes and it takes everything in stride. This terramaster sounds like a better desktop version of that device.
One other benefit to NAS drives is they usually don't block for ages trying to recover a sector, they'll report a read error and go about their business instead. Can be important for nas applications because if a drive doesn't respond for a long time due to retries it might get dropped from the pool.
I use Greyhole as an alternative to a striped disk solution. It's just JBOD where full copies of files are placed on disk X + Z. So if one drive dies you still have your data, but there is no performance advantage over a single drive. 9 disks in a Fractal Node 804, performance is adequate as demand is just from my home machines.
"it CAN be fine" /me looks over at file server with 4 4tb seagate NAS (but really, they're just slightly nicer consumer level) drives that are going to be 11 years old next month
Before watching this video and just from the title I thought this thing would be great for TrueNAS, but looks like their built-in OS is pretty nice too, and with docker should be pretty capable.
From a hardware perspective, the UGreen NAS stuff is VERY similar. Unfortunately, the UGreen software has a way to go before becoming mature. So, instead I loaded Proxmox, TrueNAS, and Docker in a separate VM. I really wasn't aware of TerraMaster when I purchased the UGreen. I was a Synology customer before, but chose to get more horsepower. Actually, I really got enfuriated at the games that Synology is playing with the their XS+ line. So now I use the Syno unit as part of the 3-2-1 even now that it’s unsupported. The drives are relatively new though.
interested in recommendations of low-profile usb-disk-on-module choices for 24/7. not expecting anything exotic for write-volume, reasonable/appropriate use.
I got 4 of the 10TB version, those are the worst drives I’ve ever purchased even on a very attractive price. Loud, hot and one of them failed within a few days. The rest of the drives are in read only mode and fine since three years 24/7, but the helium ones are way better! Never buy a non helium drive again! BTW where are the HAMR drives?
Sandisk Ultra Fit line are a cheap serviceable replacement for the internal USB (and look pretty much the same as the OEM one). May be not designed for 24/7 but are cheap. Verbatim and DSLRKIT have some slim and short models too.
Not even 10 seconds in and you've already answered something I was going to ask prior to watching this video: can I get a NAS that also functions as a desktop PC? I know of one already, but I'm glad there's more options on the market.
That sounds like a terrible idea. One bit of malware could wipe out your entire storage solution. Malware that impacts network drives is far less common.
I agree that it’s a missed opportunity not to have ECC RAM. The processor should support it, the motherboard is the expensive one, one of the few being the W680 chipset that would support it. Because of this I am thinking on getting a motherboard which supports ECC RAM. Asustor recently released a new Gen3 model with ECC support which is about to become available, but the price tag is similar to building a Supermicro SuperWorkstation 531A-IL which is what I am more inclined to go for so far.
These would use UDIMMs not RDIMMs though. It's "technically" ECC. But it's the "ECC we have at home". ECC is usually better than no ECC, but if we are going to demand having it, demand the GOOD kind. Analogy: No ECC is like keeping your money in a box of cash at your home. UDIMMs are like storing your money at a bank, and bringing cash back and fourth from the bank for every transaction. RDIMMS are like storing your money in the bank, and having an armored car service do all the to/from with the money. In this case UDIMMs are certainly better than nothing, since your money is "safe" and insured while it's sitting in the bank, but you can still easily lose your cash every time you bring money in/out of the bank.
Wow, the glued on web gui for virtualbox hasn't changed in at least 10 years. Kinda impressive. I'll still have my lil ryzen 3100 with (sadly) truenas scale for the storage, and a handover tesla p40 in a vm for transcoding, localai funsies.
Banks do not use 3-2-1 backup. Most have about 24 back-ups. They are distributed in server farms all around the world. Just imagine if your PC had 24 live backups, that are continuously backed up at the singular megabyte level. Additionally they have terabyte caches, equally distributed, all around the world.
the real reason to get NAS/enterprise drives is that they are less likely to freak out your disk array with a timeout due to a internal sector reallocation or something.
Personally I use proxmox and run each service as a virtual machine. And I have backups of these machines so if my machine goes boom I just replace what’s bad and fire it all back up again without having to set it all up again.
I love it as a NAS, but I tried every possible combo I could think of to get apps/vm’s stable. I’m gonna stick with the baby-squirrel raised on crack metaphor, it will just randomly die and/or bite you.
I have plain F4-424, Terramaster usb stick is used only for OS initialization. Once there is a working array, TOS is moved there. (that is also why it might look like whatever you do, it magically resurrect itself.) For now I removed it, and installed my own small-size usb flash and installed OMV with ZFS. Just in case, I have second exactly the same flash to use to apply backup image, if first one dies, but I hope that with omv-falshplugin it should not need that. I'm still thinking on how to use m.2, so I might end up moving system there.
Synology should really wake up, for this price they're still offering 2c/4t years old Ryzen and 1GbE. Their software is still solid ahead imo but only FOR NOW. They're gonna be eaten alive at that pace
They have less than a year to get their shit straight. The anemic hardware is trash at this point. I prefer to use the official DSM version but I may have to switch.
10000%, same thing happens with Apple. They're barely profitable at this point. Everybody prioritizes the CPU on their... NAS... and everybody runs at least 10Gb Ethernet at this point.
The F4-424 and F6-424 info on their site doesn't detail whether or not the drives support hot-swap or not, other products mention this in their specs - thoughts?
I have one version of those non-helium 8TB Western Digital disks and I can really only hear them when I download isos at 20-30MB/s, the rest of the time I can only hear the fans.
Explaining the performance of this has me thinking maybe I should just buy this to build a nas from instead of building my old i7-6700k but at the same time it's $800 i otherwise wouldn't spend and can put towards drives.
I've had the f4 424 pro since release running unraid and it's been excellent so far. A couple hiccups but nothing that makes me regret the purchase. It was extremely easy to get up and running. This would be a great step up if you were looking for more power. Curious why it comes with 8gb ram instead of the 32 on the pro.
With these prebuilt NAS devices, if the hardware itself fails and you connect the drives to another PC is it possible to access the array or is it completely proprietary?
Depends on the OS it’s using. This is another reason for 3-2-1 backups. You should have a cold copy that can be read on a basic windows/mac/linux system.
@@Bob_Smith19 Even with backups there are reasons to temporarily connect the drives directly to a PC in the event the NAS itself fails, it would be good to understand if the array is proprietary to TerraMaster NAS units or if there is a way to view the data Windows/Linux/MacOS with all the drives connected.
@@kienanvella Is it though? For US it is. But for what it was designed for, a datacenter full of hardware, it feels like just about the right level of complexity. I'm actually migrating away from Portainer to Dockge though. If you are only doing stuff on a single node, and you don't need to do a bunch of fancy volume management in the GUI, it's WAY simpler. It's made by the Uptime Kuma folks. It's like, 1 step up in functionality from a text based tool(not CLI, TUI) with a slick UI.
We really need some information about energy usage (from the wall). Only 2 seconds is just not enough. If it uses a lot of power, then what is the purpose except to save a bit of space compared to a tower?
I wish Synology would release a product w/ specs close to this. I am in their ecosystem and do not want to migrate out of it. I am willing to pay a premium. But if they don’t do something in the next year or so I will have to switch to something else. Their system specs are complete trash and their software won’t keep everyone from switching to something else.
One of the other big reasons to use Helium is heat. Spinning up that disk creates friction with whatever gas it is sitting in. 10k RPMs is pretty fast and that constant friction becomes heat. That friction also requires more power to keep them spinning. When you have a row full of racks, full of disk shelves, full of drives, (EDIT: ~40%) less power and heat matters.
It doesn't create friction with the gas. The friction comes from the spindle motor bearings, as well as heat from inefficiencies in the PWM motor itself.
@@HyenaEmpyema Those things also contribute. But the lower density of Helium, and the lower molecular weight, drastically reduce the friction of the discs themselves as they spin in the gas. If you don't believe my engineering degree, go check with the hard drive manufacturers or the numerous scholarly papers on the subject. I actually WAS off on my numbers though... ...according to the datasheets the idle power on a He drive is about 65% of air drives, not 95%. So... way better.
@@Prophes0r I don't believe your engineering degree, because the spindle is suspended in oil, not gas. please ask the online degree purveyor for a refund.
@@HyenaEmpyema What are you talking about? The platters. The Discs. The big flat plates with the data on them. They spin. They touch the gas, whether air or Helium. There is friction as they spin. Where is the misunderstanding? Further, this isn't 2005. Drive spindles don't have "grease" in them anymore. All drives use Fluid Dynamic Bearings(FDBs) which use a working fluid/gas between two (grooved) surfaces. And to be specific/pedantic, a grease is a shear-thinning semisolid of a liquid lubricant and a thickening agent, usually a soap.
Have you tried using a M.2 to USB with a 90deg USB and plugging it in to the TOS USB port on the motherboard and running Proxmox or TrueNAS from it? That would free up the 2x NVME for caching.
Question: for a B550/AM4 type motherboard, what is the fastest sustained throughput internal storage solution plausible; allowing for any sort of connector devices under the assumption that any given port is available (i.e; the pcie 4.0 x16 slot is available), and capacity only has to be 1 to 4 TB?
I've been waiting for something like this for years, the thing is, is it really good? I've seen some mixed reviews on amazon. I just need the last push, a bit of endorsement to buy it.
Any chance we could get a review of the Aoostar WTR Pro? Looks like a really solid Unraid base but I'm kind of concerned with purchasing a device from them with no real understanding of how good their QC and products are produced.
So i am wondering what would happen if you use a usb to m.2 adapter in the case and just put a extention in there so you can use the usb port to boot the nas and still have the 2 other m.2 ports for storage or for vms
For you HTPC people: there is a new all in one keyboard trackpad with backlit, mechanical keys that is wireless....and NOT LOGITECH!!! Kinesis Form. Split design is a bit odd but beats the K400 any day, since, you know, backlight. Haven't had a new one of these in a decade. Exciting times.
That's a steep price, but to finally have a 'standalone' Windows Precision touchpad from a reputable manufacturer 👀👀👀 Then again, compared to a Magic Trackpad the price seems almost reasonable
Eww no. There is zero point in splitting the keyboard if you are going to keep everything in a straight line.[1] Also, putting that touchpad int he middle leaves you nowhere to rest your hand-flesh while using the touchpad. Also the price...woof. I feel like it would be cheaper to pay someone to print you a box to put a regular laptop touchpad in, and write the firmware to make it work with an ESP32 over Bluetooth. [1] Not hating on split keyboards. That's what I daily drive. But they need to be at an angle to be useful unless they are as far apart as your shoulders are...
Fascinating. I'd love to know what the use case for a mechanical keyboard would be here. I'm not exactly typing a dissertation on my Logitech K830 (also backlit) and that touchpad seems like a massive downgrade.
The issue here being that this is awesome, but it just can't replace a xeon server. Sure, any brand new consumer chip from the last few years will slam my old Xeon 5118 into the dust on compute, but they just don't have the pcie lanes and slots to replace it. Newer Xeons are insanely expensive and consumer stuff is too limited.
Never Western Digital. Not anymore. The WD Red SMR switcheroo was the last straw. The irony was, I was looking for an SMR drive for backups/archiving like 3 months before that scandal broke, and could not find any drive on their website that claimed to be SMR.
apoint the sides with incremental numbers like a dungeon masters dice and see if you can throw a desired number regularly EG a "Fixed Dice" I have no idea why but W T F !
Are the community donations going to the actual devs or just someone compiling for the terramaster store? The whole community thing seems shady and weird.
RAID6 does make sense with 4 drives, as 2 random drives can fail without you loosing your data. Sad that they did not include ZFS, that would have been nice.
@@moogs It depends on use case. If you plan to plug more drives in at a regular interval, up to about 12-16 drives, you should absolutely be considering Raid6(or raidz2 which is the zfs eq.). Why? Future density. Let's say you have 4 drives. 10TB each. Raid10 get's you 20TB usable space, with MOST combinations of 2 drive failures surviving. (Not all though. 2 parity drives allows ANY combination of 2 drives to be recovered.) Raid6 get's you ~19TB(~18TB with zfs) with 2 parity drives. ANY 2 drives can fail. It will be a bit slower. Let's expand. +1 drive. Raid10 = nope. gotta add in sets of 2. Raid6 = 28.5TB data + 2 parity. +2 drives Raid10 = 30TB Raid6 = 38TB +3 drives Raid10 = nope Raid6 = 47.5TB +4 drives Raid10 = 40TB Raid6 = 57TB +5 drives Raid10 = nope Raid6 = 65.5TB ... And as another reminder, Raid10 will only recover from specific drive failures. if you lose both copies of that dataset, you lose the array. Raid6 is fine with any combination of 2 drives.
@@moogs if you look at speed and rebuild speed then maybe yes, otherwise raid6 is the more secure choice, you can loose to random disks without loosing data, with raid10 if you loose the two wrong disks then your data is gone. Also if you look at a raid calculator then raid6 is by a large factor more secure. It comes down to what you need.
Why don't these NAS companies give us 2.5" form factor? You could happily fit 16/24 drives into this chassis - not to mention less power, less noise, less heat.
Wendell's size drop is so dramatic, looking good my man I hope you're taking care of yourself.
I really enjoy the 'ride along' format of this video more than Wendell unboxing something at the bench and quickly kicking the tires before wrapping up.
This model is a good middle of the road compromise, but I feel like the biggest advantage a volume supplier like TM can offer consumers is volume pricing. The MAX version of this NAS really should include a W-chipset mobo with ECC support.
I agree to both point made here :D
Same!
Good tip on having a drink or several when agreeing to EULAs!
also, unsupervised children can agree to eula
Or just live in a reasonable legislation where anything you could not know before purchase is just invalid.
Nice to see these new NAS boxes with actual decent hardware like the UGREENs. I have the 8-bay UGREEN with the 1235U running Proxmox and DSM on a VM and it's been a dream. So much more power than the crap hardware Synology offers at the moment.
This is an *incredibly* good NAS set up/tutorial video, hidden in a random NAS review. If I had watched this video 5 years ago it would have answered so many questions that I found the answers for organically over time
A "quick look", and spends almost 45 minutes on it.
We still love you Wendel
This gives me peace and happiness: grabbing my cup of tea and seeing a new 40min video came up with Wendell rambling while setting up stuff and giving little nuggets of gold knowledge. ❤
I use a decent 2230 ssd in a usb carrier as a flash drive, it's adorable and it's extremely responsive as opposed to actual thumb drives, not too much more expensive either.
how well does that work for you inside the differemt nas that you have
After portainer went nagging with the freemium i went Dockge and never looked back; so simple and efficient!
I find the sound of HDD seeking together kind of soothing,
Acutally picked up some Toshiba MG Enterprise drives as they were slightly cheaper than their N300 drives when I was looking, way higher workload rating, higher MTBF and 2 more years warranty from 3 to 5.
MG08ACA16TE are very nice drives.
Got 6x spinning perfectly for 4 years now.
I like how casual this seems
I was very impressed with the i5-1235u. I have a cheap dell inspiron 3520 from best buy that has it and I outfitted a bunch of upgrades (under $700 all-in). It's a fun mobile dev and vm box for running lots of small workloads. Right now I have it running Qubes and it takes everything in stride. This terramaster sounds like a better desktop version of that device.
One other benefit to NAS drives is they usually don't block for ages trying to recover a sector, they'll report a read error and go about their business instead. Can be important for nas applications because if a drive doesn't respond for a long time due to retries it might get dropped from the pool.
This is what synology should have done a long time ago
Exactly
I use Greyhole as an alternative to a striped disk solution. It's just JBOD where full copies of files are placed on disk X + Z. So if one drive dies you still have your data, but there is no performance advantage over a single drive. 9 disks in a Fractal Node 804, performance is adequate as demand is just from my home machines.
"it CAN be fine"
/me looks over at file server with 4 4tb seagate NAS (but really, they're just slightly nicer consumer level) drives that are going to be 11 years old next month
Great ride-along format! Love the content, thank you Wendell. Also, appreciate the tip when agreeing to EULAs. 🍻
Thank you Wendell!
Before watching this video and just from the title I thought this thing would be great for TrueNAS, but looks like their built-in OS is pretty nice too, and with docker should be pretty capable.
Regarding drives, non DC drives are also fine, if you use standby option and only use the NAS for backups :)
This thing looks cool. And it was nice of Terramaster to name this after me! lol
I remember when we went to air bearings in HDDs, 7200 RPMs was finally tolerable in a desktop.
Yes. We want and need the Forbidden router
From a hardware perspective, the UGreen NAS stuff is VERY similar. Unfortunately, the UGreen software has a way to go before becoming mature. So, instead I loaded Proxmox, TrueNAS, and Docker in a separate VM. I really wasn't aware of TerraMaster when I purchased the UGreen. I was a Synology customer before, but chose to get more horsepower. Actually, I really got enfuriated at the games that Synology is playing with the their XS+ line. So now I use the Syno unit as part of the 3-2-1 even now that it’s unsupported. The drives are relatively new though.
This was like "Drunk History," but for Homelabbing. 🤣
14:22
I could have guessed that Wendell. But so have I.
BAAAAAAH that’s punny, I love it
You should use a browser plugin like dark reader.. The second the white web GUI popped on my screen I started revealing all my secrets.
interested in recommendations of low-profile usb-disk-on-module choices for 24/7. not expecting anything exotic for write-volume, reasonable/appropriate use.
Once you go above 6-8 TB drives. The noise is going to increase a fair amount. Especially 7200 RPM drives.
I got 4 of the 10TB version, those are the worst drives I’ve ever purchased even on a very attractive price. Loud, hot and one of them failed within a few days. The rest of the drives are in read only mode and fine since three years 24/7, but the helium ones are way better! Never buy a non helium drive again! BTW where are the HAMR drives?
Sounds like it would make a great forbidden router. W dual 10gb nic.
Sandisk Ultra Fit line are a cheap serviceable replacement for the internal USB (and look pretty much the same as the OEM one). May be not designed for 24/7 but are cheap. Verbatim and DSLRKIT have some slim and short models too.
Danget. I was considering this, but decided to go DIY with a N5105.
Not even 10 seconds in and you've already answered something I was going to ask prior to watching this video: can I get a NAS that also functions as a desktop PC? I know of one already, but I'm glad there's more options on the market.
That sounds like a terrible idea.
One bit of malware could wipe out your entire storage solution.
Malware that impacts network drives is far less common.
I agree that it’s a missed opportunity not to have ECC RAM. The processor should support it, the motherboard is the expensive one, one of the few being the W680 chipset that would support it. Because of this I am thinking on getting a motherboard which supports ECC RAM. Asustor recently released a new Gen3 model with ECC support which is about to become available, but the price tag is similar to building a Supermicro SuperWorkstation 531A-IL which is what I am more inclined to go for so far.
These would use UDIMMs not RDIMMs though.
It's "technically" ECC. But it's the "ECC we have at home".
ECC is usually better than no ECC, but if we are going to demand having it, demand the GOOD kind.
Analogy:
No ECC is like keeping your money in a box of cash at your home.
UDIMMs are like storing your money at a bank, and bringing cash back and fourth from the bank for every transaction.
RDIMMS are like storing your money in the bank, and having an armored car service do all the to/from with the money.
In this case UDIMMs are certainly better than nothing, since your money is "safe" and insured while it's sitting in the bank, but you can still easily lose your cash every time you bring money in/out of the bank.
Now I’m waiting for Meteor Lake NAS boxes to come soon, maybe we’ll finally get AV1 encoding?
Nope. Rejected!
You last backup focused video was 4+ years ago! Would love an update!
Wow, the glued on web gui for virtualbox hasn't changed in at least 10 years. Kinda impressive.
I'll still have my lil ryzen 3100 with (sadly) truenas scale for the storage, and a handover tesla p40 in a vm for transcoding, localai funsies.
Nice NAS, although i like more the pricing of the N305 version.
Love that you used `*******` as a password for pihole. Nobody would ever guess it and the website is smart enough to replace it with stars!
wanna see proxmox install, bare metal !!! need a low power, 3rd node - i don't have to build or tune or test or test apart or rebuild or build again!
Proxmox should install with no fuss at all. The only possible issue is does Proxmox have the latest stuff for good use of P and E cores.
Banks do not use 3-2-1 backup. Most have about 24 back-ups. They are distributed in server farms all around the world. Just imagine if your PC had 24 live backups, that are continuously backed up at the singular megabyte level. Additionally they have terabyte caches, equally distributed, all around the world.
the real reason to get NAS/enterprise drives is that they are less likely to freak out your disk array with a timeout due to a internal sector reallocation or something.
Take a shot everytine Wendell says “precision mechanical instruments”
Any suggestions for a cheaper alternative NAS? What do you think of the UGREEN nas boxes they've released?
Personally I use proxmox and run each service as a virtual machine. And I have backups of these machines so if my machine goes boom I just replace what’s bad and fire it all back up again without having to set it all up again.
I was enebreated your honour!
I love it as a NAS, but I tried every possible combo I could think of to get apps/vm’s stable. I’m gonna stick with the baby-squirrel raised on crack metaphor, it will just randomly die and/or bite you.
I have plain F4-424, Terramaster usb stick is used only for OS initialization. Once there is a working array, TOS is moved there. (that is also why it might look like whatever you do, it magically resurrect itself.)
For now I removed it, and installed my own small-size usb flash and installed OMV with ZFS. Just in case, I have second exactly the same flash to use to apply backup image, if first one dies, but I hope that with omv-falshplugin it should not need that.
I'm still thinking on how to use m.2, so I might end up moving system there.
Synology should really wake up, for this price they're still offering 2c/4t years old Ryzen and 1GbE. Their software is still solid ahead imo but only FOR NOW. They're gonna be eaten alive at that pace
They have less than a year to get their shit straight. The anemic hardware is trash at this point. I prefer to use the official DSM version but I may have to switch.
I've had many disappointments with Synology software. Particularly with synology drive.
10000%, same thing happens with Apple. They're barely profitable at this point.
Everybody prioritizes the CPU on their... NAS... and everybody runs at least 10Gb Ethernet at this point.
The F4-424 and F6-424 info on their site doesn't detail whether or not the drives support hot-swap or not, other products mention this in their specs - thoughts?
@Level1Techs What was the ram kit part number used
Wait, what are those prices and names? Basic is 9€/ _a_month_ (108€/year)? Plus 58€/year and Premium 49€/year?
Certainly more hardware than what Synology is offering.
Major understatement. Synology hardware is trash at this point.
I have one version of those non-helium 8TB Western Digital disks and I can really only hear them when I download isos at 20-30MB/s, the rest of the time I can only hear the fans.
Explaining the performance of this has me thinking maybe I should just buy this to build a nas from instead of building my old i7-6700k but at the same time it's $800 i otherwise wouldn't spend and can put towards drives.
I've had the f4 424 pro since release running unraid and it's been excellent so far. A couple hiccups but nothing that makes me regret the purchase. It was extremely easy to get up and running. This would be a great step up if you were looking for more power. Curious why it comes with 8gb ram instead of the 32 on the pro.
cheers
With these prebuilt NAS devices, if the hardware itself fails and you connect the drives to another PC is it possible to access the array or is it completely proprietary?
Depends on the OS it’s using. This is another reason for 3-2-1 backups. You should have a cold copy that can be read on a basic windows/mac/linux system.
@@Bob_Smith19 Even with backups there are reasons to temporarily connect the drives directly to a PC in the event the NAS itself fails, it would be good to understand if the array is proprietary to TerraMaster NAS units or if there is a way to view the data Windows/Linux/MacOS with all the drives connected.
Kubernetes vs portainer !! Portainer is awesome but if you have more computers it gets complicated.
Kubernetes is unnecessarily complex for what the end goal is.
There's a lot more work needed before it can be recommended for small scale use.
@@kienanvella Is it though?
For US it is.
But for what it was designed for, a datacenter full of hardware, it feels like just about the right level of complexity.
I'm actually migrating away from Portainer to Dockge though.
If you are only doing stuff on a single node, and you don't need to do a bunch of fancy volume management in the GUI, it's WAY simpler.
It's made by the Uptime Kuma folks.
It's like, 1 step up in functionality from a text based tool(not CLI, TUI) with a slick UI.
We really need some information about energy usage (from the wall). Only 2 seconds is just not enough. If it uses a lot of power, then what is the purpose except to save a bit of space compared to a tower?
didn't know coolermaster had this side to them
I wish Synology would release a product w/ specs close to this. I am in their ecosystem and do not want to migrate out of it. I am willing to pay a premium. But if they don’t do something in the next year or so I will have to switch to something else. Their system specs are complete trash and their software won’t keep everyone from switching to something else.
As a repair tech screws flying and hitting the ground is sometimes a nightmare.
I live by AngryIP. Easy enough to hunt a network with open ports
15:15 are those harddrives sounds on background ? :D
One of the other big reasons to use Helium is heat.
Spinning up that disk creates friction with whatever gas it is sitting in.
10k RPMs is pretty fast and that constant friction becomes heat.
That friction also requires more power to keep them spinning.
When you have a row full of racks, full of disk shelves, full of drives, (EDIT: ~40%) less power and heat matters.
It doesn't create friction with the gas. The friction comes from the spindle motor bearings, as well as heat from inefficiencies in the PWM motor itself.
@@HyenaEmpyema Those things also contribute.
But the lower density of Helium, and the lower molecular weight, drastically reduce the friction of the discs themselves as they spin in the gas.
If you don't believe my engineering degree, go check with the hard drive manufacturers or the numerous scholarly papers on the subject.
I actually WAS off on my numbers though...
...according to the datasheets the idle power on a He drive is about 65% of air drives, not 95%.
So... way better.
@@Prophes0r I don't believe your engineering degree, because the spindle is suspended in oil, not gas. please ask the online degree purveyor for a refund.
@@HyenaEmpyema What are you talking about?
The platters. The Discs. The big flat plates with the data on them.
They spin. They touch the gas, whether air or Helium. There is friction as they spin.
Where is the misunderstanding?
Further, this isn't 2005.
Drive spindles don't have "grease" in them anymore.
All drives use Fluid Dynamic Bearings(FDBs) which use a working fluid/gas between two (grooved) surfaces.
And to be specific/pedantic, a grease is a shear-thinning semisolid of a liquid lubricant and a thickening agent, usually a soap.
Seems like a nice, convenient option for people who want that, but I just cant get behind a proprietary OS. I'd rather put Proxmox on it or something.
Have you tried using a M.2 to USB with a 90deg USB and plugging it in to the TOS USB port on the motherboard and running Proxmox or TrueNAS from it? That would free up the 2x NVME for caching.
They seem better than most (QNAP) on the software side but Virtualbox for virtualization? That seems pretty half-baked especially in current year.
Question: for a B550/AM4 type motherboard, what is the fastest sustained throughput internal storage solution plausible; allowing for any sort of connector devices under the assumption that any given port is available (i.e; the pcie 4.0 x16 slot is available), and capacity only has to be 1 to 4 TB?
12:14 blue light Wendel jumpscare
Is it bigger on the inside for more storage? #TARDISMASTER
can you test out doing av1 encoding with handbreak in vm and container? or do you already know what one will work better?
This would be fun with a dom hosting unraid os with ZFS and beta 7
I've been waiting for something like this for years, the thing is, is it really good? I've seen some mixed reviews on amazon. I just need the last push, a bit of endorsement to buy it.
Any chance we could get a review of the Aoostar WTR Pro? Looks like a really solid Unraid base but I'm kind of concerned with purchasing a device from them with no real understanding of how good their QC and products are produced.
So i am wondering what would happen if you use a usb to m.2 adapter in the case and just put a extention in there so you can use the usb port to boot the nas and still have the 2 other m.2 ports for storage or for vms
How stable is terramaster? I see connection and file manager disappearing issues in amazon reviews. Has there been any updates to fix those?
Can the internal USB be used for a Coral TPU?
For you HTPC people: there is a new all in one keyboard trackpad with backlit, mechanical keys that is wireless....and NOT LOGITECH!!! Kinesis Form. Split design is a bit odd but beats the K400 any day, since, you know, backlight. Haven't had a new one of these in a decade. Exciting times.
That's a steep price, but to finally have a 'standalone' Windows Precision touchpad from a reputable manufacturer 👀👀👀
Then again, compared to a Magic Trackpad the price seems almost reasonable
Eww no. There is zero point in splitting the keyboard if you are going to keep everything in a straight line.[1]
Also, putting that touchpad int he middle leaves you nowhere to rest your hand-flesh while using the touchpad.
Also the price...woof.
I feel like it would be cheaper to pay someone to print you a box to put a regular laptop touchpad in, and write the firmware to make it work with an ESP32 over Bluetooth.
[1] Not hating on split keyboards. That's what I daily drive. But they need to be at an angle to be useful unless they are as far apart as your shoulders are...
Fascinating. I'd love to know what the use case for a mechanical keyboard would be here.
I'm not exactly typing a dissertation on my Logitech K830 (also backlit) and that touchpad seems like a massive downgrade.
Would the nvme slots be compatible with the google coral ai accelerator chip?
So how is the software compared to Synology?
Im showing my noobness but with that hard drive setup would ceph be a good option
The issue here being that this is awesome, but it just can't replace a xeon server. Sure, any brand new consumer chip from the last few years will slam my old Xeon 5118 into the dust on compute, but they just don't have the pcie lanes and slots to replace it. Newer Xeons are insanely expensive and consumer stuff is too limited.
Add an Oculink port 😎
Never Western Digital. Not anymore. The WD Red SMR switcheroo was the last straw.
The irony was, I was looking for an SMR drive for backups/archiving like 3 months before that scandal broke, and could not find any drive on their website that claimed to be SMR.
historians will think that hard drives are a myth
apoint the sides with incremental numbers like a dungeon masters dice and see if you can throw a desired number regularly EG a "Fixed Dice" I have no idea why but W T F !
14:18 lmao
gad damn what´n Nas
i still like my 2011-3 socket )better than my 1366 socket 2x x5650)
Are the community donations going to the actual devs or just someone compiling for the terramaster store? The whole community thing seems shady and weird.
I’ve tried doing the USB4/TB networking on my 2 MS-01’s. It’s a house of cards, do not recommend, even in a homelab. It’s just completely unstable.
17:41 k8s is death.
Can you transcode 4K video in realtime on this CPU?
the secret is to bang the rocks together (not the drives)
RAID6 does make sense with 4 drives, as 2 random drives can fail without you loosing your data. Sad that they did not include ZFS, that would have been nice.
No way. RAID10 is the only choice here.
@@moogs It depends on use case.
If you plan to plug more drives in at a regular interval, up to about 12-16 drives, you should absolutely be considering Raid6(or raidz2 which is the zfs eq.).
Why? Future density.
Let's say you have 4 drives. 10TB each.
Raid10 get's you 20TB usable space, with MOST combinations of 2 drive failures surviving.
(Not all though. 2 parity drives allows ANY combination of 2 drives to be recovered.)
Raid6 get's you ~19TB(~18TB with zfs) with 2 parity drives. ANY 2 drives can fail. It will be a bit slower.
Let's expand.
+1 drive.
Raid10 = nope. gotta add in sets of 2.
Raid6 = 28.5TB data + 2 parity.
+2 drives
Raid10 = 30TB
Raid6 = 38TB
+3 drives
Raid10 = nope
Raid6 = 47.5TB
+4 drives
Raid10 = 40TB
Raid6 = 57TB
+5 drives
Raid10 = nope
Raid6 = 65.5TB
...
And as another reminder, Raid10 will only recover from specific drive failures. if you lose both copies of that dataset, you lose the array. Raid6 is fine with any combination of 2 drives.
There's a 6 bay version of this NAS with hot swap...
@@moogs if you look at speed and rebuild speed then maybe yes, otherwise raid6 is the more secure choice, you can loose to random disks without loosing data, with raid10 if you loose the two wrong disks then your data is gone. Also if you look at a raid calculator then raid6 is by a large factor more secure. It comes down to what you need.
I'm not sure if
"RAID 6 makes sense with 4 drives"
or
"loosing your data"
Is the dumbest thing I've read this week.
Why don't these NAS companies give us 2.5" form factor? You could happily fit 16/24 drives into this chassis - not to mention less power, less noise, less heat.
Cause it’s expensive af
All flash storage is cost prohibitive.
They've existed for a long time, I setup a pair of 24 bay Synology flash model like 7-8 years ago for a customer.
@@DEJ915 Really, what was the model?
@@0w784g I don't recall, it was their flashstation line which they still sell. I know qsan and qnap also have 2.5" models for SSDs.