Fresh (Dead Meat Podcast Ep. 163)
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- Опубліковано 15 кві 2022
- Chelsea and James talk the horrors of modern dating as depicted in 2022’s Fresh.
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I didn’t get the black best friend feel from Mollie. I was a bit worried at first since I’m a black woman and I’m always wary of that trope or the sassy black woman trope. But once she went from being “my white best friend is dumb” to actively trying to find her and then saving her life I think it subverted the trope nicely. Noa would have most likely died if Mollie hadn’t been there at the end and I loved that
As a fellow Black woman horror and film nerd, I think what made this different than the Magical Negro trope is that we actually get to know Mollie as her own character with her own story, rather than her just being added to scenes to establish that the main character has a BFF, and then not seeing her at all until the end when she deus-ex-machinas the movie and saves her bestie. Very well done
Also when Noa has a chance to escape the first thing she does is go save Mollie. So their friendship didn’t feel one sided. They were both willing to go into dangerous situations to save the other. Mollie’s life and safety being presented as just as important as Noa’s is part of what kept it out of the stereotypical black best friend category.
All of y'all are so right. She's not the Black Best Friend, she's the best friend who is loved and appreciated as much as she loves and appreciates Noa. It's more like sisterhood than friendship and I love it
Something I keep coming back to is how Chad gives that greasy speech about how "women used to be more dedicated to femininity" and how Noah "would look great in a dress" and then later Steve, who is brought in as the good love interest after Chad in the rom-com beginning, dresses her up in a pink dress with a big-ass bow on the chest
The fact that Chelsea is doing American psycho kill count is like the biggest flex since dominating Elden Ring
time stamp?
@@cheesemanbob69 there’s a couple to give but they mention it a few times within the first five minutes
No one really died in American Psycho. It was all in his head.
@@Taru1blm then why did the lady that cleaned Paul Allen's apartment seem scared when Patrick said he knew what happened there? It's certainly possible that nothing happened, but don't push your fan theory onto others no matter how popular it is.
@@Taru1blm there’s different ways to interpret the movie
One of my favorite parts about the movie is Noa, Mollie, and Penny escaping and how they all worked so hard to protect each other and make sure they all got out.
Like, Penny basically doesn’t even know Noa and Mollie, and tbh, I wouldn’t blame her if she was solely focused on escaping while Noa and Mollie fought off Steve, because the idea of facing the person who *amputated your leg* must be terrifying. But no, she was right there with them helping take Steve down. At one point, you can even see her in the forest background crawling to help.
And then Mollie being a literal ride or die for Noa and both of them just doing the most to keep each other safe, and Mollie carrying Penny because she can’t walk, and Noa making sure they get Penny out when she really could’ve just left her.
Like damn, just seeing that teamwork made me proud.
I wanted to like that part, but it’s so frustrating that they don’t kill him or really make any smart decisions trying to escape.
I think the idea of shared trauma comes into it. People bond over shared experiences, both positive or negative. They may have not had much of a personal attachment but they've had an experience between them that will last.
@@brockollirob3812 This was one of the few complaints I had as well. The lack of double tap logic or taking advantage of Steve when he's borderline defenseless frustrated me a bit.
Well they did beat him really bad and kill him in the woods- in the end it was the wife that was the last threat that Mollie needed to come back and save Noa from when they thought they were in the clear. But you're right he did chase them a bit in the forest when he should'a been dead in the kitchen
@@teksnotdead902tbh when watching it I thought they did kill him with the multiple hits to the head via meat tenderizer lol, followed by the healthy kick to the face
Lucy's tiny meow when being asked to make a choice at 48:17😭give her both options
It made my heart melt 🥺
James gesturing to coax her in 😂 every cat owner can relate
What I find the most interesting is that the imprisonment of the women "Steve" is butchering in the basement is almost a symbolism for abusive relationships. Melissa, Penny, and Noa all being in different stages mentally, suffering from the abuse from a man. At one point Penny is explaining to Noa that Melissa has lost her mind, and she says: "She's gone crazy. I don't blame her, no judgement here. I understand." As if Melissa is a woman so far mentally gone because the torture she underdured, and Penny being in the middle of process, knows that hopeless feeling. Noa even seeks to ask them how they can get out and who will help them, Penny responding saying that there is no one. Reminds me of how abusers will isolate and target vulnerable people.
Just my take but i love how this movie is symbolic of SO MANY different experiences of women.
Damn I never thought a movie about imprisoning and killing and eating women could have anything to do with abusing women, but you luckily shed light on it for me thank you
79.34 p😊
Steve being sloppy makes since to me. The more criminals commit a crime, especially killers, they get more blunt, hide their tracks less, and more show off. It's cause they want to show off to the police that they are smarter and more clever than others. I totally believe Steve thinks the same way
Yeah, the pictures that we see on his wifes Facebook account seem relatively recent as they both look the same. So by that point he's been doing this for well over decade, if not decades. It's like you said, at some point once someone has managed to get away with a crime long enough they start to convince themselves that they're invincible, so they don't think that they need to be as careful. You can also see this with him actually paying for his and Noa's drinks with a credit card, which allowed Mollie to track him. Something you always hear from criminals on crime shows is that you always pay with cash. But paying by credit card, or sending someone a picture that could be reverse image searched is something that he's likely done many times, and that's never resulted in him getting caught.
That's also what just makes him a scarier characters. Especially when you know of real crime cases where people have acted similarly. Where they've gotten away for it for so long that they're actually able to live their life in a completely normal way.
I also found it interesting that the guys thought it was weird that he was selling their hair even tho human hair wigs can be multiple thousands of pounds
I just assume he's just comfortable. Like he knows he's gotten away with it for so long he's just like oh the system works I have nothing to worry about.
@@PoppyL99 Also not all Killers get cocky. I mean watch Mind Hunter or look up known killers and most of them refine their kills more and more as they go on. Best chance to catch most of them is at the very start when they are sloppy and don't really have a system in place. I mean killers like Ed Kemper only got caught because they turned themselves in to the police.
@@PoppyL99Right, I agree with you moreso than he's being a bit of a showman. I think it's more overconfidence and like you said he's gotten away with it for so long he doesn't think he has to be as careful as before.
My friend said the message behind the movie could be it’s not always the blatantly rude guys you have to worry about but the charming and “nice guys” as well. I like that message.
The movie takes place in Portland. You see that as the location on the dating app and then when the bartender looks at Molly’s location the map is Portland. And as a portlander it’s adds a lot to it that his murder house is up in forest park where all the super wealthy portlanders live.
As a vancouverite it was really weird to see that they filmed it right in my city because even though the film took place there, I easily recognized the landmarks and and stuff
The cotton candy grapes are great. They are not overly sweet, and yes...most of the time taste like cotton candy quite a bit. You two are missing out.
yes omg especially frozen!! so good.
They’re also not artificially flavored. It’s a hybrid grape; which in turn gives it that flavor.
Missing out big time. Those grapes are the shit
1:07:49 literally made me spit out my coffee i jus wasnt ready LOOOOOL
I didn't expect to see such a famous Pro Gamer in the comments of a Dead Meat video that's pretty cool.
Someone needs to clip that and post it out of context 😂
About horror movies that start off as romantic comedies, Audition does this masterfully.
Berlin Syndrome too
Good call
I feel like Red Eye also does a pretty good job.
The strangest thing is everyone wants a rom com with these 2 ,because the chemistry in the first 30 min is amazing
That would just be really jarring because your always be kind of expecting Sebastian Stan to eat her
@@garmen- What you do is: Have the rom-com going on in the foreground, while every now and then you see Seb Stan just dragging a body in the background.
horror movies have been killing it recently. can't wait for you guys to cover the new a24 movie X! its so thematically similar to texas chainsaw massacre.
Yes I would love to hear them talk abt it
@@ggg-su6ji when?
I've only seen the trailer but that films looks one chainsaw away from copyright infringement 😂
@@jakejancook no it feels inspired by Texas chainsaw with a lot of homages but is still super original and feels somewhat similar while very different at the same, I would 100% recommend it
There's also another A24 movie coming out called Men.
For my late husband, his foot fetish was more about touching and smelling feet. the first time we ever messed around, no matter what position we were in or how awkward it was physically, he had his hands on one or both of my feet the entire time. I didn't know about his fetish at that time but I remember thinking wow he's really touching my feet a lot... Then like a year into our marriage he asked me to wear the same pair of socks two days in a row bc he said that would get them to the perfect smell. I was mortified and I was too embarrassed so I refused. Then about a year after that, about two and a half years into our marriage he died in a very sudden accident at work. So let that be a lesson to you. Life is short. Let your spouse smell your feet.
I didn't read the word "late" at first, so the climax came so unexpected. Like WOAH. I love how you presented the entire thing with humor though involving loss as well lol. Hopefully you are doing great now and RIP to your husband. Take care.
A better lesson would be to tell your future spouse/partner before they commit to a life with you in case they don't want to accommodate your fetish. Its not cool to spring that on someone after you're already married
“It’s like dude…. You eat people”. I died 🤣😂
i think everyone with a cat can relate to Lucy asking to come in and then leaving lol
great episode as always
I’m SO GLAD you guys caught the “I love you more” thing. Every UA-cam review I have seen (all reviews by men, might I add) never catch that and it kills me!
I have found that most of the time women are more in tune with peoples responses and the details of it, especially in the context of dating. We have to over analyze everything to feel safe.
it saddens me to hear your and chelsea's opinions of men
I don’t necessarily think it’s that people didn’t notice it, I think it’s more that they didn’t feel the need to mention it in a short-form review since it’s a small part of the plot
@@joeertman I mean yeah I get that. But I do actually think it’s important cause it was that light bulbs moment for Molly to know she something wasn’t right and had to search the image and look into where Noah is. All the other reviews are skip over it, but imo it’s an important detail. I get why people wouldn’t find it necessary tho
@@phaggott it’s not an opinion, it’s our experience as women.
@@dustedneonlight yeah I definitely agree it’s important to the plot I just also think that the reason you may not have heard people mention it is cuz they would be talking more abt what they like/dislike in a movie whereas James and Chelsea do that along with plot summary so it makes more sense to bring it up
Molly's phone case reminds me of the book cover from Tender is the Flesh, which deals with similar topics
59:55 Yep, it's called "No, Mr. Bond, I Expect You to Dine."
The villain treats the usually captive hero to dinner, often giving them fine attire for the occasion. Famous examples like Raiders of the Lost Ark, Pirates of the Caribbean and most of the Bond movies
Lucy hijacking the podcast is always a highlight
Based on the map that Paul looks at when he realizes Mollie is missing, I definitely think they are in Oregon. 100% looks like a map of Portland and would make sense with all of the trees, the waterfall photo and the east coast comment.
Ever since Chelsea said that American Psycho was one of her favorite horror movies, I've been on pins and needles waiting for some great Dead Meat media about it. Totally looking forward to the Kill Count on it, and I hope that there's an accompanying deep dive podcast episode on it, à la The Texas Chain Saw Massacre.
Someone else already mentioned this but the phone cover is very likely from the book cover for Tender is the Flesh, another story about cannibalism!
The important question is: Is Chelsea going to cover the second American Psycho as well? XD
I hope not, that movie did not need to be called “American Psycho 2”
@@ElixifyYTwhos gonna tell them
I'm so glad yall brought up the American Psycho because Sebastian Stan as Steve reminded me of Christian Bale as Patrick
regarding his wife - i don't think she was a former victim, i think that turning the cannibalism into a business was her idea. i got the impression they'd been together from a very young age (since he mentions having started eating people at 19, i thought maybe while he was in medical school) and she'd eventually given her leg up. the personal touches he added to each meat package and the fact that i think she says to the driver to put his body on ice makes me think she was running the business end of things even if she didn't participate in eating humans herself.
I initially thought the Asian guy she's with at the end was, her boss or connection to a static organisation, but she does say 'we should put him on ice' suggesting she's the higher up potentially
I do think however. She seemed worried over the aging of her face, kinda signaled for the friend to leave her house as husband arrived, is missing a limb, and I got the impression he was prepared to replace his wife which makes it plausible his previous wife was a victim too
I'm certainly on the side that she was a previous victim. When he mentions that he started eating people at 19 he also mentions how it was a part of him that he couldn't share with anyone else. While obviously he's not going to bring up his wife if she were around back then, the feeling I got is that Noa had gotten him to drop his guard and he was being genuine there. He goes on to explain how started looking around to see if there were others like him and that's where the business came from. So I think that Ann got in good with him by convincing him that she'd help him with that business. And an extra element that she could add is that women often trust other women (this is what she was counting on at the end with Noa), so she could act as bait for more victims for him. In return she'd get to keep her life. There are a lot of real life stories of women helping men by luring in women for them to abuse/kill.
I do agree with you on the idea that she didn't eat people. And that's why Noa's angle worked so well. His real passion was eating people, and he just managed to turn that into a business. Finding someone who also liked to do that was even more desirable than what he had with Ann. Of course Noa was just trying to get him to drop his guard low enough so that she could attack and escape while Ann was genuine her desire to just go right along with him. Which is why in the end Ann was telling the guy to toss his body on ice. She saw how lucrative it was and was willing to keep it going as long as she could.
@@jakejancook she only wanted mollie to leave cause she knew nothing about her. unlike noa and the other victims, they don't know if mollie has family and loved ones who would look for her, they don't know if she had backup, if she was risky, which is why they were willing to let her go. once she caught them in the lie they were put in a tight spot and that's the only reason they knocked her out. the wife didn't care abt mollie at all, she just cared about not getting caught (especially in her own home with her kids and neighbrors nearby)
@@idunno3370 I think if you rewatch it the wife initially signifies for her to leave because her husband is home. The vibe to me is that she didn't want them to meet which is either because she, as a previous victim, wants to avoid her becoming one, or she wants to stop her husband seeing that someone is onto them
I think you're right in that they was only willing to let her go because they don't know anything about her but I'm more interested in the wife's thoughts at that moment
I am a simple woman. I see a new Dead Meat Podcast, I click. Thanks for covering this movie. I never thought I would find a movie where people are hacked and eaten charming.
Daisy Edgar Jones was excellent in Normal People, a short BBC series based on the book! She is the niece of my mum's best friend!
I can’t wait to see Chelsea take on hosting The Killcount.
This made me appreciate the film so much more, I'll be rewatching for all those details
21:15 Only James and Chelsea can talk about a cannibalistic dating movie and have a conversation about Star Wars. Love you guys!
I'm in Canada and not only does Disney+ have this movie, they have No Exit, The Omen series, Alien series, Predator series, Jennifer's Body, The Fly, Ready or Not, and many more.
Same in the UK, because we don't have Hulu.
The trailer for Fresh was AMAZING! It was so aesthetically unique and great and building intrigue without giving away too much
I loved Fresh. And I love you guys! You’ve reignited my love for horror movies these last couple of months. Kill counts are fun to watch right after a viewing and I often listen to the podcast while cooking. Keep up keeping up!
Sebastian is the Patrick Bateman from the books loved what they did with his character in this movie, not upset that she went for his meat balls in the end xDlol
Never thought I’d see the Winter Soldier cut off ass
I loved this movie from start to finish!!! The story was so intriguing with humour very cleverly injected
If by cleverly injected, you mean occasionally remembering it's a comedy.
Agreed 👍 still can't believe I trusted Him in the beginning..
I went into this movie knowing absolutely nothing except that it was a horror. By the opening credits I was hooked but very worried about where it was going to go (I've seen too many surprise sexual assault films), but seeing female names for the director and writer calmed my anxiety and I kept watching and I'm so glad I did! Thanks to you guys for bringing this movie to my attention (I saw the thumbnail and went to watch it so I could hear your opinions)!
48:00 James greeting Lucy into the room like a first class passenger on the titanic AS HE SHOULD!
That's how I react when my dog wants to come in but changed his mind
They should put a small chair in the middle for her.
It is amazing that so many horror movies have been released the last year and a bit but with work and studies it is a bit overwhelming narrowing down the actual good ones to watch. After seeing your tweets about this and getting a few minutes in (and finding out it was on disney plus lol) I watched it tonight after finishing my final business law exam ever and it was great- what I wanted to see and how I wanted to see it play out, but it still managed to surprise me a few times! And gorgeous to watch- we love orange
This is how I love spending my Easter morning. Absolutely loved this film and I’m so glad you’re doing a podcast on it.
It gave me a lot of Hannibal (the tv show) vibes, being about cannibalism and shot in an overly stylised way.
I went in knowing zero about this movie and it was amazing. My sister watched it and told me not to even look it up. Glad she did. That first half hour had me thinking one thing and then the real movie happens. Insane!
I kind of took the fact that Penny didn't have more removed was that the way that he was selling the meat was that the client would choose who they wanted to eat. Also healing takes a while, so it could be that he wants the victims to not be on any medications which could affect the quality
I like to listen to these podcasts while I sew, I was just going to listen to one of the older episodes when this released. A blessing from the lord! The new set is amazing!
So excited that y'all covered this! I can't lie this is my comfort podcast I always end up listening to the episodes twice because I fall asleep and want to hear the whole thing! Cannot wait for the American Psycho Kill Count!
Seeing the boob eating scene made me think of the brain eating scene from Hannibal. Fun podcast as always y'all. Looking forward to all the new stuff this month B~)
i love this movie so much, im happy that my fav youtubers are makig a podcast on it
can comfirm i watched this on disney+, along with tommy and pam, sebastian stan is just doing it for me
I loved Fresh ^_^ I'd only seen one trailer when i went in and it just looked like it was a obsessive boyfriend kinda thing so the cannibalism stuff took me by surprise which was an added bonus!
I haven't seen anyone compare Fresh to Get Out which I think is really important in talking about the black friend trope
Also!! Paul told Mollie to go to the police and then heard a crime in progress and did nothing
Yes!!! I've been hoping you guys would do this one. Such a fun movie. Really enjoy your commentary and discussion. Love it!
I am curious if the girl that wrote the note is the magazine was the wife. When they look at the photos of the victims, Sami's photo has her face obscured by her hair. So you have no idea what she looks like. And that is the only photo like that. So it seems to be done on purpose. It makes me want to lean with Ann being Sami.
Just finished watching it and it's so good! No wonder you wanted to cover it!
Seriously this might be your best podcasts to date, tight pacing and compelling, I literally texted my wife and said hey we should see this movie
I think, when the wife told the ponytail guy to sell the meat, that post credit scene are the people feasting on their new purchase … which would explain why ponytail man disappeared
This movie was actually great,I had a vague idea what was gonna happen from the description of the movie,but it was such a welcome surprise
I havent listened in a while and forgot how good this podcast is
I never clicked on something so fast in my life. I’m so excited to hear what you both have to say about Sebastian Stan 🥰
Wha
Great episode! This movie was really good. I got so excited when you mentioned X, I really hope it will get a podcast episode too!
Did anyone else not get a notification for this video? It just started playing through auto play and I was like, "Oh is this a new podcast?" I checked my notifs box and it wasn't there. Anyways this was such a great listen, loved the podcast like always.
I HAVE BEEN WAITTTTTING FOR THIS REVIEW!!!!!!! I am so excited to hear this!!!!! Love you James and Chelsea and dead meat crew!!!! So excited I’m gonna hush now and watch!!!!
The soundtrack to this movie was great, "restless heart" at the operation scene was my favourite part.
Yay another podcast! I came for the kill counts but stayed for the podcast. I love discussing films after watching them, problem is no one around me is interested lol which is why I love to hear u guys talk about it and hear what u thought of the movie!
Another movie that I paused the podcast to go watch and man was I glad I did.
love the way this format looks now!
Can I just say that the camera zoom at 59:46 is just hilarious. Awesome job editor!
I've had cotton candy grapes, and let me tell you, they're amazing
This film is a surprising one, fun to watch from start to finish
I like how the title of this episode is
Fresh Dead Meat
the production value of the podcast never ceases to amaze me
I finally got around to watching this!! I absolutely loved it!
I went in knowing nothing other than seeing James tweet. And I thoroughly enjoyed it
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE!
I recently watched Attachment, which is a great movie that smoothly transitions from romcom, to psychological horror, to supernatural horror, and back to romance.
The movie i always wondered why it never had a killcount, even tho it was in the intro
Finally having one, with Chelsea ! Can't wait
rlly liked this one. watched it as soon as it dropped. glad the girls triumphed!
Passengers is a movie marketed as a romcom that's actually a horror movie
i adored this movie and am glad to see my thoughts of how good it is and what makes it work in your discussion, and also noticing new things!!
watched this absolutely blind. didn't even know sebastian stan was in it. i was also drinking whisky, so i had an incredible time talking at my tv and cheering when characters were smart. also holy shit was that a positive reference to attack of the clones? good people
Oh my God.. I've been trying to place that kitchen scene from Body Moving for years! Thanks James!
Im honest Hannibal is my fav cannibal (from movies) but don’t get me wrong Sebastian Stan is georgous!
This is the most precious couple ever.
Love the podcasts keep it up
Missed opportunity to be sponsored by hello fresh !
Sebastian Stan: Daddy 🤤🙌🏽
Excited for this podcast! I really enjoyed Fresh
I think the end credits scene with the raw meat in the middle, the spreading pool of blood and the group of billionaires around it implies that all they did was cut off one head of the hydra. Steve and his complicit wife are dead but the shadowy underbelly of oligarchs who demand this cannibal delivery still exists and Steve can't be their only supplier. It implies there will always be more evil men out there, even when you snuff out one. In my mind the wife reminds me of women who enable husbands who are neo Nazis or white supremacist's, she's complicit in what Steve is doing, and at first it was for her own survival, but she's grown accustomed to this rich lifestyle and would throw another woman under the bus to preserve it. I think the reason Steve mostly doesn't sleep with these women is because it would humanize them and he sees them as meat or cattle. There's a lot of layers to this movie that add a dark satire that really makes it stand out from other cannibal movies.
I did watch this movie on Disney+ actually (I'm in Europe) and I also loved that I could watch this movie on there. Ready or Not is also on there which I know you guys love ... and American frigging Horror Story, like whut. Loved all of them btw
I wish theyd get just a comfy couch .. I feel like the chairs look uncomfortable which makes me uncomfortable. Lol. The background is amazing of course!
Really loved this movie ended up watching it today since I wanted to check it out before listening to the commentary. I've been wanting to watch it since it came out last month.
I’m so happy y’all enjoyed this movie. I really thought it was good, fun and felt, pun kinda intended, fresh.
ik yall do horror movies and thrillers and such but it would be so fun to hear about your opinions about everything everywhere all at once!
Daisy Edgar Jones is very under-rated, she's up and coming with huge potential... She did have to do an Irish accent for "Normal People," which in itself is an incredible miniseries (Highly recommend a watch if you haven't, both main actors are incredible!!!). She's also in another TV series called "War of The Worlds" where it's a very strange series, and she's near enough the lead again in a huge cast of varied languages (It's not like the older "War of The Worlds" it's a different take on it) - She does alright based on the storyline that is very meh the more it went on (2 series of that so far of 10 lots of episodes) - Recommend Series 1, not so much Series 2!
Women are fucking killing it, it's awesome!!!!
normal people is not usually my kind of show but i absolutely loved the performances from daisy edgar jones and paul mescal. really talented actors
These podcasts are underrated
I’ve been waiting for y’all to talk about this movie! 😁😁
The dance scene lives in my head rent free.
Cotton candy grapes are wonderful :) You two make everything better, just wanted to get that out there!
2022 is a good year for horror movies
Cotton candy grapes are green grapes that are just sweet. Tried them in Florida and I liked them