Horror or Not? (Dead Meat Podcast
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- Опубліковано 25 січ 2021
- No gods this week but chaos. Chelsea and James debate whether a slew of movies are even horror in the first place.
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"Horror isn't a genre, it's a feeling" - Wes Craven
Ha?
Interesting.
Yes it's a feeling buuuuut.
It's a horror genre, so you have to put your vision to life.
And also any other genre would be a feeling too do to, you have feelings or see things come to life
@@JordanWheeler1999 we do not care
@@relyes327 "we" you mean you, but also apparently you do care enough to respond?
😁😂🤣😉
This is maybe the genre called actually: creepy and scary things!
@@Uncle1278 its called: suspense/thriller
You should do a collab with 'Ask a mortician" maybe do a list of most realistic death's in TV and movies to most unrealistic or something to that effect.
Great idea!
Yessssss
Awesome idea.
Yesss she's awesome
Half a million dollar idea 💡
Patiently waiting to hear Chelsea say "and we are married and we like to get scared together." ❤❤❤❤
First one after the wedding should be “and we just promised to get scared together forever!”
I would predict "we're husband and wife"
Why’d I think they were married all this time tf
you are not alone : )
chelsea’s wedding dress better be splattered in blood and james suit should look undead
I died when James was wondering if hotel transylvania was a horror
No. It has horror monsters but it’s definitely just a comedy.
"I took arts classes, I'm here for chaos" -Chelsea Rebecca
I found a quote that finally defines my life ladies & gents
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“Some podcast hosts just want to watch the world burn.”-Me
@@jack33317 you absolute weeb
@@aidan6471 how loud was it
R the one
I think perhaps a differentiation between Se7en and Silence of the Lambs is how the victims were treated in the story. In Se7en we don't know them as characters, but as horrifically killed bodies. In Silence of the Lambs we spend time with Catherine, we meet her before she's taken, we follow her as she's in captivity, feeling her fear, and we are invested in her escaping. Even in slasher movies where you might be cheering for characters to die, they are characters that you follow and see them in danger. The only character you follow in Se7en is the cop, and you don't feel like he himself is in danger of being killed by the villain. So even if there's creepy imagery, it doesn't feel like a horror.
Very good point
In crime dramas, I'd also argue that there's a sense that the danger will be resolved once the crime is solved. But because of Hannibal being so beyond the confines of the law, that danger is always present. The ending of that movie feels more like the ending of Halloween than any crime movie. Hannibal is a boogeyman in a way that crime drama villains are not.
That argument absolutely backs up my view (of course you said it first). Also the protagonist in Seven is never in danger himself(none that he is aware of, Jodie Foster's character is in danger for a short time when she goes in without backup and then the lights go out but he can still see her.
*Spoilers* I think u could argue that he did end up that he and his wife are victims
Your explanation is exactly why I feel *the opposite* ! Se7en is the horror because there's a lot of random, interestingly gruesome murders and we're not as concerned with the victims as we are with the way they died. Silence of the Lambs is a crime drama because it was more about studying the criminal, getting to know the victim, life as a new FBI officer, the relationship between the cops and Hannibal, etc, etc, plus there wasn't much gruesome stuff happening,, some, but not much. It was actually kind of a twisted soap opera.
James and Chelsea mentioned how "existential horror" terrifies them the most nowadays. I'd love to see a full podcast episode of them discussing the different "angles" movies use to scare us, the different types of horror, difference between horror and terror, and how their fears or horror reflex has changed over time. For example, when I first watched the matricide scene in Night of the Living Dead I was about 13 and honestly thought it was funny anyone could find that scary. Watched it again at age 30 and actually gasped after it was done, I had forgotten to breath because my heart was seized with terror.
Counterpoint to the point of the Jurassic Park theme not sounding horror. The Poltergeist theme.
This is a very good point!!
And don’t forget how beautiful the Cannibal Holocaust theme is!
I dunno, the Poltergeist theme has always sounded kind of creepy to me.
@@TrekBeatTK The Cannibal Holocaust theme is creepy when you understand the context. Without it, it just sounds like a song you'd hear at a family-style buffet.
@@kieranhayag9107this comment made me go look up the film and watch it blindly, I am in complete shock now holy fuck
DeadMeat James - "Ichi the Killer's plot is NOT one I wanna do on Kill Count."
SpookyRice - "I already gotchu, fam."
I ended up watching his video and now I can't sleep thank you
dead meat would get demonitized to hell and back if he did a kill count of it.
@@willhuey4891 Also it probably wouldn't be a fun Kill Count since about 70-80% of that video would have to be blurred
Im 2 years too late. Silence of the lambs is definitely horror. The scene where Hannibal brutally slays the police in his cell, and removes one of their faces and wears it over his own...that's just one example. Manhunter is much less horror, by design. It's a Michael Mann crime thriller.
Fangoria caught a lot of shit for putting Jurassic park on the cover when it came out, and I personally believe there’s enough horror scenes in it to classify it as a horror. Love the this/that convos you guys have.
by that logic though how many horror type scenes need to be in a film to classify a film as horror genre? What's the cut off?
@@MoonDoggie82 for me it’s in the eye of the beholder. I’ve always considered Ghostbusters as a horror comedy. I don’t think there’s any way you can realistically put a label on what it is or what isn’t a horror movie, that’s the fun of it some of the things that scare me may not be scary to you. Somethings I consider Horror may not be considered Horror in your world. I don’t think there’s that one definitive thing that makes a horror movie a horror movie. You can’t say death, because there’s a death in Bambi and the lion King, you can’t say jump scares because there’s a jump scare In Pee-wee‘s big adventure during the large Marge scene. For me personally, horror is the hardest genre to nail down
The real horror of Joker is S O C I E T Y.
It fits well into the killer clown category just like the *House of 1000 Corpses* trilogy, the *It* movies, and even *Terrifier*
We LiVe In A SoCiEtY
@@deathmetalantichrist1115 exactly
@Miguel Messina so does *Joker*
@Miguel Messina neither are some of the other movies James reviewed on the kill count
Purge is more thriller and action in my opinion
agreed
I think the content is more action, but the concept itself is more horror
The Purge is horror. The sequels, not so much.
@@jimmybrown4205 yea my thoughts exactly
The first purge I'd say is still action thriller. Only because they have guns and ways to defend themselves. Remove the weapons and make the family completely helpless, then it would be horror
Coraline best children's "horror" movie, we need more horror movies for kids so they can dip their toes in the genre without being traumatized from gore or jump-scares.
Funny story, when I worked in a movie rental store, we would play all sorts of movies on the tv, but it had to come from the kids or family section. We would play Addams Family, Corpse Bride, Nightmare Before Christmas, even Beetlejuice during Halloween. But the minute Coraline was put in, we could have an angry parent storm over to us and demand we turn it off. It always baffled us!
That shit still traumatised me anyways.
Jump scares aren’t traumatizing, fanf is loved by kids, and that’s all jump scares.
Coraline scares me I don't blame reply #1
I mean, would it really?
the implied eye goring was pretty AAAA
I would like to take a moment to recognize how much time Chelsea puts into the podcast, whether it’s a research-heavy deep dive or a creatively goofy game, it’s a lot of work for one person and she does a great job 🤗
Agreed 👍
All the love for Chelsea!
Yes!!
7:11 David's death in Shaun of the Dead is seriously terrifying, and it remains (at least to me) one of the most gruesome deaths in any zombie film.
Chelsea was really out there going "Let Them Fight"
It's amazing now non horror movies can still kind of feel like horror movies. Personally Dunkirk and Whiplash left me more tense than 90 percent of horror movies I've seen.
I agree
War films in general can be terrifying. Films like Come and See and Saving Private Ryan have some horrifying scenes in them.
It's funny u mention that because I remember in 2019 feeling disappointed with the horror films that came out that year but the Spahn Ranch Scene from Once Upon a Time in Hollywood had me on the edge of my seat the entire time.
JonGon Productions Yeah, the most horrifying movie I have ever seen is Full Metal Jacket
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The Hunt doesn't feel like a horror for me, because it feels like a John Wick-like action movie, it's also pretty comedic too, and it's not horrifying either.
To me it feels like a movie that in the 90s or early 2000s would have been horror purely for the gore but these days you get that kind of stuff in a lot of action films. It never did anything horror wise to push itself beyond that unlike Battle Royal does
the hunt was more in line with the most dangerous game as in the hunting people for sport scenario.
James: Animation is NOT a genre.
Brad Bird: *Applause*
I think horror is kinda like what the Supreme Court said about porn, “I can’t define it, but I know it when I see it”
Jurassic Park, monsters eating ppl. Horror
Terminator, scary robot slasher. Horror
T2. A good sci fi action, with slightly horror elements
The rest of the terminator series, sci fi. Action. Not horror
Silence of the Lambs. It’s a crime drama, but it’s shot to unsettle like a horror. Horror
Robocop. Sci fi. I do not feel it’s shot in a way to terrorize
Upgrade. I only saw the kill count but I would say sci fi. The questions it raises it about tech and how we let it take us over
The Purge, home invasion. Horror
The rest of the entire Purge series, action. The kills are all or mostly gunshots.
Joker, a study of a mentally disturbed man. Not horror
Not according to Mr Rogues, *Joker* clearly is a horror movie by commission, especially since it fits with the killer clown aspect, he said it was a mix of *Taxi Driver* and *American Psycho*
@@damianprock1650 I see nothing horror about it. It was filmed like a horror killer. The murders were more action style kills then a horror Villian.
@@Kvile-zx4sk then you haven't seen *the Devil's Rejects,* *3 from Hell,* the two sequels to *Sleepaway Camp,* etc
@@damianprock1650 I have in fact seen all those movies. And I still do not feel that Joker is a horror at all
@@Kvile-zx4sk well then you're just lost, even the Tim Burton movie about Sweeney Todd was a horror movie yet it's a musical, besides, Joker still counts as a horror movie since it's in the category of killer clowns
You guys really need to talk about horror scenes in non horror films, just so you can talk about the coin toss scene in No Country for Old Men.
that would be a great episode! they should also include when Frank N. Furter kills Eddie in Rocky Horror Picture Show, the boat scene in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, the end of Parasite… there’s a lot
My goodness, there are so many tense, creepy scenes in that movie. When Josh Brolin returns to give the man water, and notices a 2nd vehicle on the hill next to his own 😳
that movie might be able to have a kill count. its so gory and scary!
Inception, when Leo is with his ex wife and she suddenly looks up at the camera and there's a crazy music stab
@@natalie_the_ratalie The end of parasite didn’t scare me but when you see what the child saw on his birthday coming up the stairs. That shit is fucked
Chelsea: I don't think space travel automatically means scifi
Me: Yeah, Apollo 13 isn't --
Chelsea: Like, Star Wars isn't scifi
Me: oh. no.
That's where she instantly lost half the audience lmaooo
@@JC_CaliI think it’s because science fiction is first and foremost an exploration of advancements in our own earthly technology and based on earthling innovation and exploration. Starwars takes place in a galaxy far far away (harkens to “a kingdom far far away”) that has nothing to do with earth or “earthlings”. Therefore it has a strong case as a fantasy franchise.
starwars is a fantasy epic painted with a scifi brush.
@@TheHopelessFan in other words, sci-fi
@@evildeathcuddles886 Its written like a fantasy was my point.
Hearing James say that animation is not a genre is just so awesome.
I wrote my dissertation on this subject through a fine art lens but talked a lot about horror films and literature, the conclusion I came to was that an idea that connected anything that could be put under the horror umbrella was a lack of agency, in your decisions, body, fate etc. It's such an interesting genre with endless possibilities.
For Jurassic Park: my mother took my bother when he was 8 to see it in theaters. She always says that it was marketed as a kids movie, super fun and light hearted. When she took my brother, he was so terrified he kept leaving "to go to the bathroom." It was only afterwards my mother realized that he was actually terrified. I on the other hand have loved that movie since I was 4.
I would consider the original horror just because of the way it’s set up with a haunting theme over the opening, the way the opening is shot, a worker getting killed by a raptor and the intense music when it happens. Then it’s relatively calm until the trex scene and from then on it alternates between showing the beauty of the dinosaurs and how dangerous they are.
The Lost World I could make an argument for, but mostly for the San Diego segment and the long grass scene. Otherwise it’s more action.
3 is not horror at all.
World also isn’t horror.
Fallen Kingdom though goes more the route the original does. While most claim World is a remake of 1 and FK is a remake of LW I’d say the reverse. I mean you start out with that terrifying dread with the opening, it goes calm for a while but once it gets to the mansion it becomes scary again thanks to the nephew and the indoraptor.
I need a relationship like this: just being able to sit and talk about something your both really into, and respecting each others different opinions.
Also, I’ve literally never met anyone who is as into horror movies as I am besides Dead Meat and all the meaties!
I know what you mean
"space travel my be a sufficient standard for sci fi"
Apollo 13 dude
Hearing James call Chelsea 'honey' at 32:47 has me audibly 'awww'ing each time I hear it.
Maybe the real horror was the friends we made along the way.
Is this a meme?
@@timo9533 no wonder
Maybe
If Joker is horror, then so are films like Taxi Driver, and Natural Born Killers.
Yeah, I don’t think we could count that one without also having to count movies like First Blood. It’s a thriller about a mentally unstable man who loses his sh*t, but that doesn’t make it a horror movie.
silence of the lambs as well.i consider that more of a thriller.joker is defintley not horror
@@Partypooperfanmade well, it technically is horror at some parts. For example, some of the scenes make you feel super tense .
The score in Taxi Driver was by the legend Bernard Hermann who also wrote the iconic Psycho music, some of the cinematography feels ominous and tense and the final shootout scene doesn't come close as shoot em up like an 80's action film, it's a actually rather shocking and disturbing.
Yeah but the difference is that Joker is good
I think for something to qualify as horror, it's primary motive must be to inspire fear/dread/suspense. If something's primary motive is humor, and it has horror elements, then I guess it would depend on the ratio. Like, Scary Movie... full on Parody of Horror and not really a horror itself, but Scream? That is a self-aware Horror without going too far into the humor that it removes all the tension. Cabin in the Woods I would say would fall between those two, definitely skewed more towards the humor side but serious enough that I would still classify it as Horror, even if it's very light on the scares. I think intent is the biggest factor there, like no movie ever really scares me anymore, but if they intend to scare you, then I think that is important.
Hey I was mentioned! Also, I think the Indo-raptor scenes from Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom get pretty horror-y. I like it, and I appreciate where the crew tried to push the film. Though I'm assuming the higher ups wanted the reigns pulled a bit, to keep the wide appeal up.
Fallen Kingdom also has that overall tone of uncertainty and dread throughout, which really lends to the horror atmosphere. J.A. Bayona, IIRC, is a horror director, and I'm glad that after JP3 and JW, he was able to really bring that angle back to the series.
FYI, I don't consider the original JP a horror film, but horror is one of the key elements to the overall picture.
But you both have Simpsons shirts on so you should all be fine.
Maybe
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@@kermitlovers1039 yea everyone does
@@MrSnuggieMaple lol just trying to be funny
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32:46 James pulled out a “honey” it’s getting real 😂
It's so funny whenever he calls her honey in that tone. So sweet and hilarious.
I love hearing you guys talk about Crimson Peak. The funniest thing to me is in the director’s commentary, the very first thing Guillermo says is “This is NOT a horror movie, it’s a gothic romance” and I remember him emphasizing that at SDCC, and for HHN. Again so funny to me since Universal wanted to promote it as a horror movie and the whole time Guillermo said otherwise but still did every interview with a smile. I could talk about this movie for hours, I love it.
Joker is more like a Dystopian Drama. Not really horror, but it could have been darker like the comics.
Also, an Among Us movie could be a sci-fi horror movie like alien.
@Miguel Messina sort of true, but not completely
Yeah but Joker is way better than any of the movies that inspired it
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@@mooliciousmaul6514 What a terrible take.
@@mooliciousmaul6514 what a great joke. I'm laughing my ass off
For me, movies like Midsommar, The Invisible Man (the remake) and Hereditary is more psycological horror to me, i feel scared in my mind about what I'm witnessing; but not nececerily in my body and my being. In a way, psycological horror is way different than normal horror like The Descent etc.
still horror though. I mean, i agree but imo psychological horror is a subset of horror as a whole genre
Since beginning working from home this year this podcast is one of the few things keeping me sane lol. Thank you so much Chelsea for all the work and effort you put into it, it's such a pleasure to listen to and I greatly look forward to it every week!
i would call the first jurassic park “stealth horror”. the opening hints at things to come, it captures you into a false sense of security, then BAM! the horror begins.
Who likes when James picks up Lucy the cat its adorable
Lucy sightings are why I watch rather than listen to the podcast.
Me
Lucy is so adorable. I totally agree.
Lucy wants to say hi!
What an adorable kitty cat!!!! James and Chelsea are super lucky!!!!
"i'm here for absolute chaos" is my motto in life
You guys might watch Amanda The Jedi's video on Promising Young Woman because she loved it and she really describes it in a different way to make it make a lot more satisfying
I remember the jurassic park commercials being focused entirely on the T-rex escaping scene. The water shaking, the eye dilating when the kids shine the flashlight into its eye... they leaned HEAVILY on the scare factor
I know some people give you guys a hard time about the podcast just for not being a kill count, but I love the podcast. Thank you for all the hard work you guys put into this, it brightens up my week!
if hunger games was directed/ executed differently it would count as horror. surprised how many movie premises u can read that can have so many different tones and ways to execute them to make them into any genre.
Yeah it's all about how things are shot and edited
Yeah honestly I think an r rated version of the movie where the characters are actually played by actors their age and not 30 year olds, and it more like gritty and explicitly shows the awful stuff that happens would be really interesting and cool and I think be a more accurate portrayal of the point of the book,
I love your guys relationship. It’s beautiful that you guys share this love for horror and can enjoy doing this podcast together
Just want to say how much I appreciate your research and effort put into the podcast Chelsea!
The Purge? Now that is a super grey area I think
No not really is Horror Thriller
Wow why are you always on the comments twice AND on top of the comments-
The original movie is home invasion like The Strangers so it counts. The sequels, though...
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It is! Im on the side of them being Horror because of how psychotic and demented the villains are and how it leaves me feeling so unnerved.
This is personally in my opinion the best podcast ever. I also think this is the best UA-cam channel
Definitely a fun video to watch, with a topic that I sometimes question as well. A movie that I see some people consider horror, which kinda confuses me, is The Crow. I get it has gothic imagery, and he’s going around killing people, but I feel like it’s an action/fantasy movie instead of horror. Would love to see another video talking about more movies on whether or not they’re horror!
Hotel Transylvania isn't a horror movie in the slightest. It's a kids comedy flick with the Universal monsters acting as the main and side characters. It's actually really good and genuinely funny!
I probably couldn't survive the quarantine without Dead Meat. Entertainment and seeing others live is what I really do need.
Truly is a vibe this channel
Dead meat pod is one of my favourite podcasts/things to listen to. It's got real nice chill vibes and fun topics.
I’ve found that in terms of movies that border on horror/thriller, I’m more likely to accept it as horror if the actual events of the movie is more fantastical or less likely to occur in real life (or at least the way it’s presented), which is why I consider The Silence of the Lambs horror, and Fatal Attraction even more so.
Am I the only one who’s digging James’ stray hair on his forehead? It’s giving off a strong Outsiders/Greasers vibe, and I’m all for it!
James and Chelsea are amazing! Thank you both for the awesome content. Your podcasts and the kill count brightens my week!
It’s good that James brought up the “kill elements” as a qualification for horror because if that was the case, I could consider Kill Bill or any Tarantino film as horror, which they don’t.
The joker is more of a character study than a horror movie
I think that if silence of the lambs is horror so is joker
@@guy11568 I wouldn’t say so. The way silence of the lambs is shot definitely intends to scare you. The way Joker is shot intends to just show what society can do with some people. But anyway I love both movies no matter which genre they have.
Joker struck me as a psychological horror character study just by how much it disturbed me personally but it's definitely really close to the line.
@@guy11568 they are completely different movies
@@chiefzombie9184 no its not.
With JP the uplifting scenes and score expands the dynamic range between hope/despair and shouldn’t count against it being horror as the central intention
Anything can be horror if you’re chicken enough
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I remember when I was a little kid I was terrified of fragel rock
Annihilation is one of the most impactful science fiction movies I've seen in so long. Just listening to the music makes me feel so uncomfortable and the whole weird/intense vibe of the movie comes back.
Chelsea, the subtle bit of sound editing when you started talking about Jurassic Park made me smile. Thanks for all the work you do!
Best birthday present I could ask for. Thanks James and Chelsea, I appreciate this
Best parts of this Podcast are when James looks to Chelsea as he SLOWLY "suggests" what he thinks is Horror to catch her reactions!
My criteria for horror movies is that there needs to be:
A sympathetic victim (usually the main character)
Threat of immediate or inevitable death
A sense of isolation (either literal or figurative) of one or a group of characters
And a sense of helplessness where the character(s) can't choose to leave the situation or can't get external help
I feel like a lot of what you guys consider horror have these elements
Hi James and Chelsea, sorry for the long response but I freaking love this topic! This exemplifies what I love about horror which is that it can’t always be easily defined and is inherently subjective.
I remember once reading a book called ‘Cut!’ which was a collection of essays by various horror writers about horror, and one of the essays, by John Skipp and Craig Spector was sort of touching on this topic. They were essentially arguing that every story is driven by two primal emotions: fear and love and if you boil any movie down to that level, than any movie can be a horror movie. As an example they used the movie ‘Amadeus’ and how it characterizes Salieri’s envy and obsession with Mozart as monstrous, ultimately driving him to madness, and therefore not far off from a more typical monster movie. You’re free to disagree but I always liked this approach to analyzing horror and movies in general.
Also I’m glad ‘Jurassic Park’ is part of this discussion. While I’m on the fence about the movie, I would definitely argue that Crichton’s novel is absolutely in the realm of horror. Not only is it more violent but it presents the message of ‘don’t mess with nature’ in a much grimmer way than the film. Absolutely none of the wonder and awe that Spielberg brought to the film is present in the book, it’s probably closer to a Carpenter movie in tone.
In case you were curious, here’s Siskel and Ebert’s review where they actually talk a little about how it was promoted:
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Anyways, great episode as always. =)
because ive been saying i love horror my whole life, the silence of the lambs has always been brought up in the discussion, especially with adults. like james said i can't remember not being familiar with it, even before i knew the plot. i went into it for the first time with "okay let's watch this really well loved horror film", i think i got out of it what i went into it with, because i was focused in on the horror elements yknow? ive categorised films differently in my head after having seen them at a different point in my life or just a different mood.
"I took art classes, I'm here for absolute chaos" 💀 me too.
Horror movies: Doesn't scare me
My dad: Stands behind a cornor
Me: *Fuck this shit im out*
Did someone say corona?
@@zkyrus1873 close but nah
1:12:28 Hello, I'm your local self-proclaimed "The Raid" expert. The tone and aesthetic is definitely one you'd find in quite a few nasty lower budget horror movies. The first half of the movie I would describe as like a really intense action-thriller, with its nail-bitingly perfect execution of dread being it's closest brush with horror (the machete scene being the most obvious example). The second half of the movie is a bit more of a pure action gauntlet, but one that certainly has the practical gore to be considered a body-horror. The second movie however, is pretty far away from anything horror, it's more of a godfather-esque crime-drama, with bloody martial arts thrown in.
But yeah, you should definitely watch those movies when you get the chance, it's undeniably up there with the best action movies have to offer.
I saw the movies Hereditary and Eighth Grade around the same time and hands down Eighth Grade affected me more. The car scene alone scared me more and stayed with me longer than Hereditary did. I still joke that it was a better horror movie. Nothing is scarier that going back to your middle school years.
I love James he’s an amazing person
And I love Chelsea, she’s an amazing person, too!
Hopefully he ain’t exposed for nothin 👀
@@DrewTheChild this is a very 2021 way of thinking lol
I love both of them
James saying that animation isn’t a genre makes me smile so much
As I was watching this, I kinda realized I think my personal distinction of what makes a horror movie is like the idea of a "scary camp". Specifically when talking about true crime not being horror, I think it's because it's too grounded in reality (especially Zodiac since it's based on true events). Even the most grounded and stripped down horror movies (I'm thinking the Strangers) have elements of weird campy horror (like the strangers wearing ~creepy~ masks). I guess a lot of it comes down to the intent of the film, like is it shot in a way that wants to broadly scare the audiences.
Excellent episode Chelsea and James! I really enjoy this poll discussion format!!
I haven’t finished the video yet but if CATS (2019) doesn’t show up on this list, I will be shocked.
@Miguel Messinamaybe ruin andrew lloyd webber's reputation by adapting one of his plays into a truly disturbing existence. I mean, i get the whole ruining andrew lloyd webber thing, because that guy sucked. But why did they have to do it like that?
@@rioranger5268 what was wrong with Andrew lloyd webber
@Miguel Messina it tried to make as many people as possible want to die simultaneously
Sorry to say it Chelsea but Star Wars is most definitely sci-fi😂😂
Science fantasy technically
@@ghristophermyers666 gtfo
I’m actually super confused on how she thought movies about people flying through space and on different planets hanging out with aliens and robots isn’t sci fi.
@@Monolith64
Nigga sci fi is grounded in real science. Star wars only has some of that, the rest is space magic and shit
No way, I’m totally with Chelsea. Star Wars is space fantasy. Science fiction needs a science basis. Tooling around with mystical energy fields and vaguely defined terms like hyperspace don’t say sci-fi. Just like you wouldn’t say Lord of the Rings is historical fiction.
For scary procedural shows, a good one that was on for awhile was Grimm. There's six seasons of it and I'm not sure if it's streaming but I know you can find it on DVD at FYE.
it's on prime and it is a great show, would love it to get kill counted.
I watched jurassic Park as a kid and I felt the same way I did watching horror films. For me the t rex breaking free and the raptors turning a door knob are fairly classic horror and thriller. They parallel some fairly common horror tropes.
I think horror can have s lot of beauty to it, and that's what makes the horror elements stand out better. You see that in a lot of modern video games where beautiful aesthetics belie horror underneath.
I feel like the first Terminator is kind of horror, but from the second one onward it's definitely action
It's the same with alien
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i will never stop screaming about the silence of the lambs for sure being a fucking horror movie. this is the hill i will die on thank you. 😂😂😂
It's more of a thriller than a horror IMO
This is such a fascinating question!!! I've been thinking so much about how we classify movies. For me it comes down to the main tone each movie is going for. For example Star Wars is mainly a fantasy-adventure (there's legit magic in it?!?), with sci-fi elements, Star Trek is mainly sci-fi with some fantasy elements, Alien is mainly a horror with sci-fi elements! I would classify Jurassic Park (the book) as a horror but the tone of the movie is definitely trending more towards adventure with horror elements sorta in the same way as Tremors! Obviously your personal perceptions will influence how you see each film, these are just my opinions. Thanks for such an interesting podcast!
Listening to them talk about Jurassic Park reminds me of everytime someone asked me what my favorite Christmas movies are and I say Die Hard and The Nightmare Before Christmas. Lol
There is an instagram account called horrormoviestills and every so often the do a "horror or nah" on their story and its so interesting to see what movies people say are horror or not! Another great episode!
I've always separated Thrillers and Horrors by circumstances. Thrillers I usually associate with realistic and crime driven films like No Country For Old Men, Se7en, and Silence of the Lambs.
Right? Silence of the Lambs have scary moments the story calls for it, but there aren't any cheap jump scares and it plays very straight with the police investigation stuff. That being said, having potrayed a reality so convincing gives you an ever greater eary effect when you see Hannibal walking among the the society being a fucked up killer could walk by your side.
Difference for me on Terminator vs Robocop:
In the first Terminator, the murder robot is the antagonist. It’s very much a slasher. In Robocop, the murder robot is the protagonist. This simple difference completely changes the tone of the violence and fear we feel towards the murder robot. Hence why the Terminator sequels feel less like horror movies than the first one. Robocop is more similar to T2 than the original Terminator in that regard
This has to be one of my favourite podcast topics you two have done! All this talk about action/revenge/crime horror made me think of Korean film I saw the devil (which I strongly feel like it's a horror film)
Also I can see how RoboCop is a satire and body horror film. The first Terminator is a straight up slasher no question about that!
What do you guys think about I saw the devil? 🤔
The movie sunshine is definitely a sci-fi adventure that turns into a total horror movie when the captain boards their ship from the other starship
AWESOME Podcast!!!
Love the Goblinhaus sticker on the wall! One of my favorite stores!
I love these kind of podcast episodes, of course the reviews are always awesome too, but I just love the laidback style of these ones!
I love James holding Lucy like the baby she is
Eyes Wide Shut, Requiem For a Dream and Mulholland Drive fall into that category for me of movies that are not horror films but are scarier than most movies classified under the horror genre.
So happy to see you discuss Annihilation! I hope you do a whole episode on it some day. (Yes, I already emailed my suggestion)
Revenge is so good! I would love to hear you guys talk about it. Loved this episode!
I always interpreted horror as a genre that had the goal of creating the emotion of horror or terror. I always thought that horror was defined by it's goal, not what it contained. But I also realise that this is still a loose theory.
The Raid is pretty much a pure action flick. Would definitely recommend watching both it and especially the sequel, but they aren't at all horror.
Such a great discussion! For me, there are certain things that mark a movie as part of particular genre, and it's not obvious tropes, like a spaceship or a haunted house. A sci fi movie is, for me, a movie defined by a question, "What if?" It doesn't have to be set in space or the future. It doesn't have to do with technology. It just has to take an interesting topic and extrapolate: what if we could prevent crimes before they occurred, what if other animals on our planet suddenly gained our level of intelligence, what if you could remove unpleasant memories, etc. For me, the big difference between a horror movie and a thriller is often whose perspective you get. For it to be a horror movie, you need to see events (at least part of the time) from the perspective of the victim/survivor (Silence of the Lambs). If you see the same events mostly or entirely from the perspective of people trying to catch or stop the killer, then it's probably a thriller (Seven).
Damn can I get this podcast on my kindle?? I had to pause every few minutes to look up scenes and new movies. This was awesome I learned so much.