Exactly. This is so annoying. Every time they talked about northerners in the earlier seasons I always imagined people like Lyanna Mormont. Not this trash
@@rishabkhuba2663 He’s deliberately doing the opposite. Wyman’s parts of ADWD show there are houses FIERCELY loyal to the Starks, and making their own moves to return the Starks to power… imagine, Houses so loyal that they seek to figuratively revive yours from the dead instead of taking power for themselves or submitting to new liege lords. Edit: also, if you’re familiar with the Frey Pies thing Arya did in the show, the books insinuate it was Wyman who fed Freys to the Freys in a meat pie. Just to add to my above point.
@@Nimish_ there's already quite a few. Game Of Throne..Clash Of Kings..Storm Of Swords..A Feast For Crows..A Dance With Dragons..and The Winds Of Winter is currently on the way and "in existence". And then there's Fire & Blood..A World Of Ice & Fire..and the Dunk & Egg novellas. There's already quite a few "in existence", and more will be coming. I've been reading these books since 1998, and since the very first book, it's always taken a long time for them to come out. Sometimes years between books. And when you consider how complex the story itself is, and all of the character arcs are, it makes sense that it takes a long time. And now there are the TV series that he's involved in too. He doesn't have the kind of free time on his hands that you do. Your comment is incredibly ignorant.
And you must have ignored many scenes in season six. The scene with Lord Glover tells exactly where these people stand. They backed Robb and what happened? These people were not really on board with Jon or Sansa until they proved themselves. Sansa understood the assignment, Jon didn't. The North clearly explain their terms. Jon is King period. Jon leaves and doesn't consult with anyone and he returns with a foreign Queen. What part of WE DON'T WANT AN OUTSIDER RULING US didn't he get?! Their loyalty was to Jon and his loyalty was NOT to them. If he was loyal to them he would've included the people who gave him the title he pissed away, in his decision making. You all go in on Sansa and The North without acknowledging that their keeping their word to one another, Jon isn't.
@@janellejulianajoyjon told them he was going and why he was going. They were reluctant but didn't say much. Why is why this was deleted He did the right thing because the foreign queen was the only way they were beating the night king
I’m pretty sure in the books most of the North still stand with the Starks and plot their revenge against the Boltons for their part in the Red Wedding. Not sure why they don’t have the same amount of loyalty in the show.
"Jon is our King. He is doing what *He* thinks is best." Sansa is a snake. everything said could be resaid without Jon ever catching the fact that she is planting the seeds of distrust. She told them she didn't agree with Jon and it's all his idea.
That travel would take all of their supplies (ones that need to be kept in order to survive and ones that they need to leave behind), that's a loss Also, i don't think the local would welcome them, to the eyes of more civilized people, northerner is like a barbarian They need to hasten the pace without making it too obvious for cersei army to notice, impossible task
There's about a million people in the North and they care about them. If they moved them all to Dorne the Dornish probably wouldn't allow it plus the Northmen wouldn't want so many more people to die since the dead would cross the Riverlands, Vale, Westerlands etc. before coming down to King's Landing
The northern lords in book were loyal to a fault and in the show they are a bunch of spineless cowards. If they had chosen jon as king in the books, you better believe they would have never doubted him.
I think the Northerners have become more cautious about giving loyalty considering that Robb ultimately screwed them over by doing one too many dumb things. Like not marrying the Frey girl or pissing off the Kastarks who made up more than half of the Northern army.
This is where the writing started to dip I think. The northern lords being so prickly and sour and ready to cast Jon off as king so easily. When WoW comes out I’ll imagine George will make the discontent natural. And the less said about Lord Glover’s writing the better
@@scottmatheson3346 George has yet to disappoint at all. His books are amazing and even the show, when he was affiliated and part of the writers teams, this show was glorious but the moment he left you can see it in the shows writing. Season 6 plus is where it all went downhill, and Martin wasn't a part of it.
Sansa said the right thing because everything Sansa told Jon to not do he did. Also Jon still did the right thing if u ask me. Sansa focus of the game meanwhile Jon focus was on the night king. This is why I think they made a good dual despite the hate Sansa get from Aria and fans. But at the end even Aria understood Sansa.
That's because at this point, Jon is the only one who has actually laid eyes on and seen the Night King and the army of the dead. Jon knows and understands how serious the threat is.
If she wanted it, then why doesnt she have it?! Sansa wanted Jon to be King in The North as they become independent. Dany could rule forever or die in six months, she didn't care, as long as they were left alone. She wanted no further ties to the south. Period.
@@janellejulianajoy no. Sansa wanted to be queen in the north. And she knew that Danny wouldn’t just give that to her. If ser johra had lived he had probably adviced Danny to give the north to Sansa. However that’s not the point. She loved the power. She wanted John to be King because she knew that in that Case it would be no problem for her getting the north.
@@chrissi_lizzi were does Sansa ever say or indicate she wants to rule? Others claim she does, like Arya, but nowhere does she say nor does she actively do such a thing. Quite differently, she supported Jon throughout the show, and then tried to give the stewardship of Winterfell to Brain when he showed up. Sansa never thought of herself as the person who would have that power. She was raised to be the support or the ruler.
Many forget that Sansa not only wanted to be Queen in the North, in the beginning of the show she was a dumb b**** who wanted to be Queen of the Seven Kingdoms which is the only reason why she really kissed ass to joffrey. She turned on her sister and got any family member. She's the reason why her dad got killed because she ran back and told cersei his plans. She always wanted a throne, it didn't really matter which one it was
Holy shit, imagine if other people were as daft as this? People of KIng's Landing would've rebelled before the books even started, thinking that Robert has abandoned them when he went north to invite Ned to be his hand.
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl All Jon is doing is treating with Dany and attempting to become allies with her, and these Northern cunts are acting like he abandoned them or something.
Arya was my favourite character in the series. She was tough, grew up and became street smart. She was also an adventurer although, I wanted the Starks to stay together, but after what they had lived through and the losses of their beloved family members they had all toughened up especially Sansa. She was still beautiful, but gone was silly young teen with dreams of marrying a Prince and entered a young woman who learned through humiliation and also learned a lot from Cersei and that helped her grow in every way especially in the understanding of people and the game of politics. She was the biggest surprise to me out of all of them.
I love that Arya was all in to bring the Find Out to all these idiots Fucking Around. If left unchecked, should probably would have taken a single Lord out, put his face on, and then remove it in front of everyone saying some cold-ass one-liners and leaving with everyone shitting their pants.
Agreed that was the worst season and a waste of a great series. Sad this show was gold and turning into crap. Putting pathetic, hypocrite characters, IGNORANT, and weaklings in charge. 😔 😔 😔
Or maybe they are pissed because they are tired of having foreigners intervention in their territory and want a King that puts them first. Look at what all the dumb decisions Robb made caused? It nearly caused their entire family to collapse.
Sansa actually came out top on the GOT by making North independent and everyone underestimated her. Tyrion was right about Sansa. Ned Stark would be proud of her.
Ned would be ashamed of her. She broke her Oath to Jon in the godswood and Ned is too Honorable to see any point she made as a good one. Remember he destroyed Jaime's reputation without even asking him "Why?". As soon he hears that she made an Oath to Jon and then broke said Oath it's a wrap "Northern Independence" be damned he'll see it as another Southern Power grab.
Correct how stupid, blind, deaf, and dumb people are to that fact. They took a series that was gold and turned into shit. Sansa is nothing but a joke and 2nd Cersei who will destroy the North who will satisfy her needs to get everything she wants
That man is no coward. He verbally dressed down Sansa and Jon in season six and he explains why he was hesitant to trust in them. Robb fucked up a lot and Jon eventually does what Robb did....all fir a woman. Sansa didn't let her nether region guide her. It's why she's favored.
the writing in the final season was awful I think we can all agree on that. put through these you can kind of see how she's trying to discredit Jon. she's the one that even reveals his true parents. which I'm sure she did to cause tension between Daenerys and him.
you daft...Jon point blank told Dany himself 2 episodes before he told Sansa and Arya. And Arya was a fool and totally wrong and well manipulated by LF, not just my observation, actress playing Arya said it also.
Sansa was always the weakest link and was always quick to throw a sibling under the bus..... Well in this case, under a "cart" 😌 Remember when Arya kicked Geoffrey's ass in season one and Sansa never had her back.... Always found her to be a proper ditz!!
FACTS YOU BETTER SAY THAT AGAIN THAT'S WHAT SHE DOES. Throws everyone's flaw in their face but has a quick defense about her pain and suffering she caused herself. Sansa was the biggest crybaby, hypocrite, and one of top 5 self centered people of GOT.
In season one. When she was 14. Lets fast forward shall we? Who kept the North off Jon's ass? Who had to explain to Arya why pacifying your countryman matters? Who actually listened to their countryman? So much so that she's favored? Who seemed to have the most common sense? You all call Sansa dumb when she was right! She didn't trust Dany. She didn't trust Cersei. Stupid is listening to your people state specifically that they don't want a foreign ruler and then your dumbass brings one home and then expect the very people to accept this with a smile?! Jon is a fucking dummy. Stupid is alienating the people who don't trust you. Don't try to win their allegiance after being warned about what you are going to encounter. Just get upset and never actually show them why you're their best option. Nah, just hide behind the Lord of Winterfell who these folks clearly don't favor. Stupid is having to explain why people who have been fucked over a billion times aren't trusting. Stupid is continuosly blaming what a naive 14 year old girl sheltered her entire life for a mistake made years ago, yet, ignore the unending sea of idiots we had in seasons seven and eight. Sansa isn't the problem. She understood the assignment. She kept her eyes on the North and what they wanted. Jon didn't. End of story.
She was gonna marry him, how tf would she have gone against him? If she did, he would've punished her dearly for it when she was married to him, obviously she lied🙄as if you wouldn't in that situation.
How tf did she throw anyone under the bus? The Lords of the North are talking about making her Queen, and she's still reminding them that Jon is their king. Some of y'all are so stupid.
@@mariakhan7986 My opinion of Sansa still stands. He didn't marry her and she was still tortured by him. She lacked backbone from the start. Arya also had a hard journey and not once lost sight of who she was or her goal of returning to her home, she fought like hell for it!
Jon is doing what he thinks is best. Truly sad not what he thinks is best. Doing the right thing to protect the North. Sansa what is she doing just pretending to be a Queen nothing but a clone of Cersei. Sansa is no wolf just a snake, fish, and a wannabe lion trying to be a wolf Even way more sadder that everyone talks as the Northerns are loyal, committed, and stubbornly trustworthy. More like pathetic, two face, and worse weaklings who couldn't even protect themselves but quick to depend on others when they can't save themselves. A true waste of a series taking gold and turning into crap
Doing what is best? Selling the north and its hard won freedom? He did not have to bend the knee to Daenerys. She had already pledged to help fight the dead. And be bending the knee Daenerys owns the North and demanded that they fight. Which is exactly way the northerners wanted to break away from the southern crown. To not live and fight in wars that were not theirs or to be subordinate to an outsider hundreds of miles away.
@@misty3195 The North did not claim independence from anyone. It was the Wildlings and Mormants that claimed independence for the North in the Civil War against the Boltons. Yet the North still had extreme prejudice against the Wildlings even though they were the main haul defending a land the Northerns said they were still outsiders. Even the Gaul to question Jon when no one except a little girl named Lyanna who had more bravery and courage to stand even calling all of them cowards for not standing up to the Boltons even though they lost people they love in the red wedding due to their actions and the Freys. Also bending the knee to Queen Dany is the right thing to do especially when she could have focused on her wants but focused on the needs of Westeros. Using her assets and resources to protect the North in the Great War especially when the Northerns did nothing but run away and worse pledge to fight but when back on their oaths. The definition of cowards especially when the Northerns did nothing in both Wars except Wildlings, Knights watch, some of the Mormants were the main haul actually fighting. Also it was due to Dany's family and armies why they are still alive. Sansa was speaking for the North nope just herself because she was willing to sell out her own family at a chance of power. Her character was dead in season 6. Especially her selling out all members of her family to make herself look good 🤦♂️.
@@Slingshot521 no, Daenerys was never in it to help. But for revenge of her dragon that died and to get what she thought she was entitled to. It was all to win over the people. She always wanted to be adored and loved above others. Her greatest fault was that she had a messiah complex with narcissist tendencies. And no, Jon did not have to bow to her. He truly only did that because he thought he was in love. He had spent so long lost and forced into a title he did not want. Daenerys was his salvation from that responsibility. Plus there was a bit of a Stockholm going on where Daenerys held him for months not allowing him to contact anyone, only getting letters form the outside. While that was happening Daenerys was working to make herself and her leadership look good to win him over. And by him the North. But she did not understand that the Northerns only picked Jon. He was not entitled to anything. By bending the knee Jon disrespected their wants and the honor they gave him by choosing him to be their king. That is why Lady Lyanna asked Jon what he is now when he came back. Nothing. That is also why Daenerys council encouraged Daenerys to talk to Sansa. Because Sansa was the true power and key to the North. Sansa supported Jon, even when they choose Jon to become king. It was because of Sansas support that the lords choose Jon, but Dannys side saw that the Northern Lords were done with Jon after his actions. Sanss was the Lady or Winterfell and the Dreadford. Two of the biggest and most powerful titles in the North. And unlike Jon, that was Sansa birthright and by marriage. Jons title of King of the North was a landless title just given by honor and respect to him. The North has always wanted to be free. They never supported King Torrhen Stark bending the knee. They understood it but it was forced onto them. The Targaryens left the North pretty much alone as long as they fought for the Targaryen crown when called. That is why thr Starks were named Warden of the North. It was a military title in name only, tied to no lands and aloud the Warden to call the Northern banners to arms for the crown. When Robert's rebellion happened it angered the Northerns because Robert used them to win his own war. While the North was angry that their own lord and Heir was killed brutally. They lost the most people in that war. That is where the Northern started to push away from the rest of the kingdom and they saw a way to get their freedom when Robb took them to war in the 5 kings. It was the Northerns who chooseto crown Robb and then Jon.
@@Slingshot521 were did Sansa every try to take power? Other then Arya accusing her of this, Sansa never actively did anything of the sort. Up until even end she supported Jon. She may not have agreed with his choices but she stood behind him. She even called the banners to march down south to get Jon back. And unlike Jon or anyone of her family, Sansa literally bleed for the norths independence. Everytime the Robbs army won she was beat for it. Her own wish as a child was to marry and be a good wife and queen to her king. Her journey was in understanding what being subservient to others truly ment to her own person and her own wants and dreams. She represents the Norths cause and the suffering for their freedom. The North struggles are based of off Scotlands own true history with Britain. Just like Dorne is off of Wales.
@@misty3195 I'm sorry did you actually say Dany wasn't in it to help. You mean when she put aside her wants and focused on what Westores needs. The same Dragon Queen who liberated Essos from slavery, saved Westores from a fate far worse than death, and the same one outside the gates of KL suing for peace just hand her sister and step away from the throne that's all. You must be trolling or capping because that was the biggest lie I ever heard. Please you have got to be kidding me. Dany who listened to her small council withheld herself back she knew destroying the NK was key. Also did you actually say Dany was narcissistic, seriously you must be trolling because the only one who talks that category are Joffery, Cersei, Ramsey, Tywin, Ramsey, Roose, Walder Frey, Tyrion, Sansa, and Varys. The same people calling out loyalty but the main one disloyal, know at alls, and acted like they made a difference, and even to the point stuck in their old ways Did you actually say Jon disrespected the Northerns by bending the knee to Dany. The fact is he did the correct thing to stand beside a True Queen and ruler protecting their sorry and worthless ass. The same one's who couldn't even stand against the Boltons but now they have a voice and the audacity to stand strong for their own land. Please nothing but fools, hypocrites, and cowards the only one's there that weren't are Wildlings and Mormants. Sansa was not the key of The North because she didn't care whatsoever about the people. No one needs to check in with her she was a mere copy of Cersei the same one who thought she was everything but lower than dirty. The Northerns did nothing at all to basically have a voice in their independence especially when everyone who defended their land they still had extreme prejudice towards. The Wildlings and Mormants are the one's who did everything for them. Even to the point offering the asylum was off the table. They didn't even defend the Northerns land but you claim they are entitled a voice 🤦♂️.
Jon literally comes back from the dead. Sansa escapes. The starks finally reunite and yet dumb and dumbass needed some asinine way to kill off littlefinger by faking some feud between these sisters. Ughhhh
I disagree, everything Sansa told Jon not to do, he did anyway and it paid off. Also bro legit pulled his sword out, ready to fight the cavalry i’d say that scene alone solidifies his position as king
@@Rub-Rub1 not really. Jon made his own problems by being stupid. He didn't want to fight for Winterfell or against the Boltons and it was Sansa who forced the issue. Jon truly wanted to leave and never come back after he was betrayed by the nights watch. He did not want to rule and gave it up as soon as he had the chance, even when he didn't have to bow to Daenerys. She had already pledged to fight the dead. And by doing that he lost all respect from the Northerners by selling them to another against their wishes. His actions betrayed his own family and the Northerners trust they put in him when they gave him the crown. To add to this Jon did the exact same thing that Robb did when he fall in love. And Jon was gone for months while leaving Sansa in charge with no news, and only comes back after a quick letter about how he bent the knee to Daenerys. Then he went alone with Daenerys to Kingslanding. Taking the few Northern men left to fight right after the long night and when they and Daenerys army was hurt and tired. After years of the North being devastated by wars. Which is exactly why the Northern lords fought so hard for independence from a leader who was hundreds of miles away and an outsider who just used them to fight in their own wars. The Northern lords were tired of that since Robert's rebellion and where many of the houses lost their sons to that war.
Weird, people are hating sansa while when i first watched this scene, i could understand Sansa's side but after watching this isolated scene, I am hating the way arya is acting here, what does she know about northern lord's point of view and sansa's reasons? She was nowhere near north since now. If it wasn't for Sansa, the king in the north choosen for misogynist reasons, would have been somewhere on the battle ground dead. What's more it's her birth right, she deserve it more than a bastard. Him going over the wall to do stupid things to convince cersei and then surrendering himself to a queen because she lost her dragon because of his stupidity doesn't make him suitable for being king. Should have taken the role of war counsel against night king cause that's what he's good at.
First, your using all the crap writing from the later seasons to justify your claims. Second, Jon is not a bastard, his birth was legitimate, Ned just called it that so no one would find out who his father really was.
everyone who hates sansa is a simpleton who just watched GoT but never really understood the core and essence of characters. Sansa loved her family and she was strong
The same idiot who rode into the Red Keep demanding that Prince Rhaegar "come out and die"? That fool was groomed to command? He was a prize idiot who thought he was something special because he could bed a woman and swing a sword. In truth the North lucked out when that fool got himself killed.
@@Bigsharter 🙂 dragons were the reason they were able to hold the army of dead at bay for such along time Or else they would have been wiped off from the face of the earth
@@anubhavpatil8842 they literally gave the night king a dragon which caused the wall to fall (one of the only capable defenses against the nk) all for a stupid mission to convice cersei who wouldn’t have fought for either way. And the north literally fought and won against the nk thousands of years before dragons. Lastly the person who actually kills the nk was arya stark, not jon snow or Daenerys
Facts Sansa character was done in season 6 it serves no purpose putting the HYPOCRITICAL, EGOTISTICAL, IGNORANT, and GIANT CRYBABY in a position of power. Sad Dumb and Dumber couldn't see that
that's another thing with all this American North and South crap well I've got the 1611 Bible and both Wilkes and Lincoln were translators therefore I'm calling bulshit on that whole lie
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You know for all the talk of the loyalty of the northern lords they sure turned on Jon quickly.
Exactly
I hope GRRM doesn't add this bit in his novel
Exactly. This is so annoying. Every time they talked about northerners in the earlier seasons I always imagined people like Lyanna Mormont. Not this trash
@@rishabkhuba2663he won't cause like for that to happen the books need to come to existence in the first place
@@rishabkhuba2663 He’s deliberately doing the opposite. Wyman’s parts of ADWD show there are houses FIERCELY loyal to the Starks, and making their own moves to return the Starks to power… imagine, Houses so loyal that they seek to figuratively revive yours from the dead instead of taking power for themselves or submitting to new liege lords.
Edit: also, if you’re familiar with the Frey Pies thing Arya did in the show, the books insinuate it was Wyman who fed Freys to the Freys in a meat pie. Just to add to my above point.
@@Nimish_ there's already quite a few. Game Of Throne..Clash Of Kings..Storm Of Swords..A Feast For Crows..A Dance With Dragons..and The Winds Of Winter is currently on the way and "in existence". And then there's Fire & Blood..A World Of Ice & Fire..and the Dunk & Egg novellas. There's already quite a few "in existence", and more will be coming. I've been reading these books since 1998, and since the very first book, it's always taken a long time for them to come out. Sometimes years between books. And when you consider how complex the story itself is, and all of the character arcs are, it makes sense that it takes a long time. And now there are the TV series that he's involved in too. He doesn't have the kind of free time on his hands that you do. Your comment is incredibly ignorant.
Northern lord's always given this title of loyalty, but they soon lack loyalty when it actually matters difference between saying and doing
The ancient lords were different than current
And you must have ignored many scenes in season six. The scene with Lord Glover tells exactly where these people stand. They backed Robb and what happened? These people were not really on board with Jon or Sansa until they proved themselves. Sansa understood the assignment, Jon didn't. The North clearly explain their terms. Jon is King period. Jon leaves and doesn't consult with anyone and he returns with a foreign Queen.
What part of WE DON'T WANT AN OUTSIDER RULING US didn't he get?! Their loyalty was to Jon and his loyalty was NOT to them. If he was loyal to them he would've included the people who gave him the title he pissed away, in his decision making.
You all go in on Sansa and The North without acknowledging that their keeping their word to one another, Jon isn't.
@@janellejulianajoyjon told them he was going and why he was going. They were reluctant but didn't say much. Why is why this was deleted
He did the right thing because the foreign queen was the only way they were beating the night king
I’m pretty sure in the books most of the North still stand with the Starks and plot their revenge against the Boltons for their part in the Red Wedding. Not sure why they don’t have the same amount of loyalty in the show.
"Jon is our King. He is doing what *He* thinks is best."
Sansa is a snake. everything said could be resaid without Jon ever catching the fact that she is planting the seeds of distrust. She told them she didn't agree with Jon and it's all his idea.
She is not a snake, she is a wolf raised by the lions
@@karamelka4511 she aint no wolf. no pack loyalty. she is 100% snake.
@@karamelka4511 split tonged viper. wont say the truth to save her own life. can't trust her at all.
@@karamelka4511 Meh, i would call her a snake
Yep 💯😒🦎🦎🐍🐍
I honestly wouldve moved everyone out of the north toward Dorne and let Kings Landing deal with the dead before interfering. 😈
The Twins*
It's a natural barrier they could've relied on to keep The Dead at bay
You really think the northern lords would’ve just abandoned their homelands to go live in a desert for years?
That travel would take all of their supplies (ones that need to be kept in order to survive and ones that they need to leave behind), that's a loss
Also, i don't think the local would welcome them, to the eyes of more civilized people, northerner is like a barbarian
They need to hasten the pace without making it too obvious for cersei army to notice, impossible task
@@sightfield Its Season 8 so theyll be fine with all that plot armor.
There's about a million people in the North and they care about them. If they moved them all to Dorne the Dornish probably wouldn't allow it plus the Northmen wouldn't want so many more people to die since the dead would cross the Riverlands, Vale, Westerlands etc. before coming down to King's Landing
The northern lords in book were loyal to a fault and in the show they are a bunch of spineless cowards. If they had chosen jon as king in the books, you better believe they would have never doubted him.
I think the Northerners have become more cautious about giving loyalty considering that Robb ultimately screwed them over by doing one too many dumb things. Like not marrying the Frey girl or pissing off the Kastarks who made up more than half of the Northern army.
This is where the writing started to dip I think. The northern lords being so prickly and sour and ready to cast Jon off as king so easily. When WoW comes out I’ll imagine George will make the discontent natural. And the less said about Lord Glover’s writing the better
Be thankful it'll never come out so george will not disappoint you.
@@scottmatheson3346 George has yet to disappoint at all. His books are amazing and even the show, when he was affiliated and part of the writers teams, this show was glorious but the moment he left you can see it in the shows writing. Season 6 plus is where it all went downhill, and Martin wasn't a part of it.
@@darkerdaemon7794 he’s a genius and built the most amazing fictional world, but asoiaf will not be finished
@@darkerdaemon7794 He will never finish the books anyways so who cares. Be happy you got to see his ending, though poorly fleshed out.
@@dvornikovalexei that wasnt his ending.
Sansa said the right thing because everything Sansa told Jon to not do he did. Also Jon still did the right thing if u ask me. Sansa focus of the game meanwhile Jon focus was on the night king. This is why I think they made a good dual despite the hate Sansa get from Aria and fans. But at the end even Aria understood Sansa.
It's Arya* dude!
Sansa is right.
*Duo not dual! 👍✌️
@@annem.howley5310 fuck no she isn’t
That's because at this point, Jon is the only one who has actually laid eyes on and seen the Night King and the army of the dead. Jon knows and understands how serious the threat is.
Sansa for sure wanted that throne
If she wanted it, then why doesnt she have it?!
Sansa wanted Jon to be King in The North as they become independent. Dany could rule forever or die in six months, she didn't care, as long as they were left alone. She wanted no further ties to the south. Period.
@@janellejulianajoy no. Sansa wanted to be queen in the north. And she knew that Danny wouldn’t just give that to her. If ser johra had lived he had probably adviced Danny to give the north to Sansa. However that’s not the point. She loved the power. She wanted John to be King because she knew that in that Case it would be no problem for her getting the north.
@@chrissi_lizziAll she care about is the North being independent like her brother Rob did
@@chrissi_lizzi were does Sansa ever say or indicate she wants to rule? Others claim she does, like Arya, but nowhere does she say nor does she actively do such a thing. Quite differently, she supported Jon throughout the show, and then tried to give the stewardship of Winterfell to Brain when he showed up. Sansa never thought of herself as the person who would have that power. She was raised to be the support or the ruler.
Many forget that Sansa not only wanted to be Queen in the North, in the beginning of the show she was a dumb b**** who wanted to be Queen of the Seven Kingdoms which is the only reason why she really kissed ass to joffrey. She turned on her sister and got any family member. She's the reason why her dad got killed because she ran back and told cersei his plans. She always wanted a throne, it didn't really matter which one it was
the lords in the north were anything but loyal. lol
Holy shit, imagine if other people were as daft as this? People of KIng's Landing would've rebelled before the books even started, thinking that Robert has abandoned them when he went north to invite Ned to be his hand.
"""Writing""""
or when he went on the hunting trip🤣
Are you literally forgetting the war and brutal occupation they just went through?
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl No. What's your point?
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl All Jon is doing is treating with Dany and attempting to become allies with her, and these Northern cunts are acting like he abandoned them or something.
We all need an Arya in our lives!
I’m an Arya
@I’M HERE FOR A GOOD TIME NOT A LONG TIME awesome
Arya was my favourite character in the series. She was tough, grew up and became street smart. She was also an adventurer although, I wanted the Starks to stay together, but after what they had lived through and the losses of their beloved family members they had all toughened up especially Sansa. She was still beautiful, but gone was silly young teen with dreams of marrying a Prince and entered a young woman who learned through humiliation and also learned a lot from Cersei and that helped her grow in every way especially in the understanding of people and the game of politics. She was the biggest surprise to me out of all of them.
I love that Arya was all in to bring the Find Out to all these idiots Fucking Around. If left unchecked, should probably would have taken a single Lord out, put his face on, and then remove it in front of everyone saying some cold-ass one-liners and leaving with everyone shitting their pants.
D & D trying rip Jon down. Fuck Season 8.
Agreed that was the worst season and a waste of a great series. Sad this show was gold and turning into crap. Putting pathetic, hypocrite characters, IGNORANT, and weaklings in charge. 😔 😔 😔
People are completely loyal, until you start moving away from their interests.
Or maybe they are pissed because they are tired of having foreigners intervention in their territory and want a King that puts them first. Look at what all the dumb decisions Robb made caused? It nearly caused their entire family to collapse.
Sansa actually came out top on the GOT by making North independent and everyone underestimated her. Tyrion was right about Sansa. Ned Stark would be proud of her.
She a snake
Ned would be ashamed of her. She broke her Oath to Jon in the godswood and Ned is too Honorable to see any point she made as a good one. Remember he destroyed Jaime's reputation without even asking him "Why?". As soon he hears that she made an Oath to Jon and then broke said Oath it's a wrap "Northern Independence" be damned he'll see it as another Southern Power grab.
Because of her, over half her family is dead.
@@kimberlyplatt2382 Jaime and Cersei deserved more painful deaths tbf
@@patrickdormeus8453 ned and jon are both a disappointment to house stark
Lord Clover always crying and when every battle always sit and cowardly hide his chamber
Correct how stupid, blind, deaf, and dumb people are to that fact. They took a series that was gold and turned into shit. Sansa is nothing but a joke and 2nd Cersei who will destroy the North who will satisfy her needs to get everything she wants
That man is no coward. He verbally dressed down Sansa and Jon in season six and he explains why he was hesitant to trust in them. Robb fucked up a lot and Jon eventually does what Robb did....all fir a woman.
Sansa didn't let her nether region guide her. It's why she's favored.
@@janellejulianajoy if he isn't a coward then why did he run away when the white walkers arrived
@@janellejulianajoyhorrible take
@@georgevelis4651???
Pretty odd title
the writing in the final season was awful I think we can all agree on that. put through these you can kind of see how she's trying to discredit Jon. she's the one that even reveals his true parents. which I'm sure she did to cause tension between Daenerys and him.
you daft...Jon point blank told Dany himself 2 episodes before he told Sansa and Arya.
And Arya was a fool and totally wrong and well manipulated by LF, not just my observation, actress playing Arya said it also.
Tbh most of them got no right to talk, they difnt even fight wit him to reclaim it. Lord umber shouldnt even be talking really lol
Weird asss caption not st sll whats happening
It was probably written by a Sansa-hater.
Sansa and her mom were straight-up KARENS!
Sansa was always the weakest link and was always quick to throw a sibling under the bus..... Well in this case, under a "cart" 😌 Remember when Arya kicked Geoffrey's ass in season one and Sansa never had her back.... Always found her to be a proper ditz!!
FACTS YOU BETTER SAY THAT AGAIN THAT'S WHAT SHE DOES. Throws everyone's flaw in their face but has a quick defense about her pain and suffering she caused herself. Sansa was the biggest crybaby, hypocrite, and one of top 5 self centered people of GOT.
In season one. When she was 14.
Lets fast forward shall we?
Who kept the North off Jon's ass? Who had to explain to Arya why pacifying your countryman matters? Who actually listened to their countryman? So much so that she's favored? Who seemed to have the most common sense? You all call Sansa dumb when she was right! She didn't trust Dany. She didn't trust Cersei.
Stupid is listening to your people state specifically that they don't want a foreign ruler and then your dumbass brings one home and then expect the very people to accept this with a smile?! Jon is a fucking dummy.
Stupid is alienating the people who don't trust you. Don't try to win their allegiance after being warned about what you are going to encounter. Just get upset and never actually show them why you're their best option. Nah, just hide behind the Lord of Winterfell who these folks clearly don't favor.
Stupid is having to explain why people who have been fucked over a billion times aren't trusting.
Stupid is continuosly blaming what a naive 14 year old girl sheltered her entire life for a mistake made years ago, yet, ignore the unending sea of idiots we had in seasons seven and eight.
Sansa isn't the problem. She understood the assignment. She kept her eyes on the North and what they wanted. Jon didn't.
End of story.
She was gonna marry him, how tf would she have gone against him? If she did, he would've punished her dearly for it when she was married to him, obviously she lied🙄as if you wouldn't in that situation.
How tf did she throw anyone under the bus? The Lords of the North are talking about making her Queen, and she's still reminding them that Jon is their king. Some of y'all are so stupid.
@@mariakhan7986 My opinion of Sansa still stands. He didn't marry her and she was still tortured by him. She lacked backbone from the start. Arya also had a hard journey and not once lost sight of who she was or her goal of returning to her home, she fought like hell for it!
Just saying but who wants to be king of the north? It honestly looks like gloomy,cold, dark.
They were right…. He should’ve stayed in the North!
How quickly they turn on each other
Which episode?
Damn traitors!!
More like loyalists who are tired of foreigners getting involved with everything going on in the North.
The lone wolf dies, but the pack survives.
Sansa: Arya said I can't rule. Jon is king.
Oatbreakers
Name of the movie?
Game of thrones
Only Arya love Jon unconditional ... Only she thinks him as her true brother.... Other's only use jon
Arya is a good soldier but Sansa knows the game that's why she did what she had to do.
Jon is doing what he thinks is best.
Truly sad not what he thinks is best. Doing the right thing to protect the North. Sansa what is she doing just pretending to be a Queen nothing but a clone of Cersei.
Sansa is no wolf just a snake, fish, and a wannabe lion trying to be a wolf
Even way more sadder that everyone talks as the Northerns are loyal, committed, and stubbornly trustworthy. More like pathetic, two face, and worse weaklings who couldn't even protect themselves but quick to depend on others when they can't save themselves.
A true waste of a series taking gold and turning into crap
Doing what is best? Selling the north and its hard won freedom? He did not have to bend the knee to Daenerys. She had already pledged to help fight the dead. And be bending the knee Daenerys owns the North and demanded that they fight. Which is exactly way the northerners wanted to break away from the southern crown. To not live and fight in wars that were not theirs or to be subordinate to an outsider hundreds of miles away.
@@misty3195 The North did not claim independence from anyone. It was the Wildlings and Mormants that claimed independence for the North in the Civil War against the Boltons. Yet the North still had extreme prejudice against the Wildlings even though they were the main haul defending a land the Northerns said they were still outsiders. Even the Gaul to question Jon when no one except a little girl named Lyanna who had more bravery and courage to stand even calling all of them cowards for not standing up to the Boltons even though they lost people they love in the red wedding due to their actions and the Freys.
Also bending the knee to Queen Dany is the right thing to do especially when she could have focused on her wants but focused on the needs of Westeros. Using her assets and resources to protect the North in the Great War especially when the Northerns did nothing but run away and worse pledge to fight but when back on their oaths. The definition of cowards especially when the Northerns did nothing in both Wars except Wildlings, Knights watch, some of the Mormants were the main haul actually fighting. Also it was due to Dany's family and armies why they are still alive.
Sansa was speaking for the North nope just herself because she was willing to sell out her own family at a chance of power. Her character was dead in season 6. Especially her selling out all members of her family to make herself look good 🤦♂️.
@@Slingshot521 no, Daenerys was never in it to help. But for revenge of her dragon that died and to get what she thought she was entitled to. It was all to win over the people. She always wanted to be adored and loved above others. Her greatest fault was that she had a messiah complex with narcissist tendencies. And no, Jon did not have to bow to her. He truly only did that because he thought he was in love. He had spent so long lost and forced into a title he did not want. Daenerys was his salvation from that responsibility. Plus there was a bit of a Stockholm going on where Daenerys held him for months not allowing him to contact anyone, only getting letters form the outside. While that was happening Daenerys was working to make herself and her leadership look good to win him over. And by him the North. But she did not understand that the Northerns only picked Jon. He was not entitled to anything. By bending the knee Jon disrespected their wants and the honor they gave him by choosing him to be their king. That is why Lady Lyanna asked Jon what he is now when he came back. Nothing. That is also why Daenerys council encouraged Daenerys to talk to Sansa. Because Sansa was the true power and key to the North. Sansa supported Jon, even when they choose Jon to become king. It was because of Sansas support that the lords choose Jon, but Dannys side saw that the Northern Lords were done with Jon after his actions. Sanss was the Lady or Winterfell and the Dreadford. Two of the biggest and most powerful titles in the North. And unlike Jon, that was Sansa birthright and by marriage. Jons title of King of the North was a landless title just given by honor and respect to him.
The North has always wanted to be free. They never supported King Torrhen Stark bending the knee. They understood it but it was forced onto them. The Targaryens left the North pretty much alone as long as they fought for the Targaryen crown when called. That is why thr Starks were named Warden of the North. It was a military title in name only, tied to no lands and aloud the Warden to call the Northern banners to arms for the crown. When Robert's rebellion happened it angered the Northerns because Robert used them to win his own war. While the North was angry that their own lord and Heir was killed brutally. They lost the most people in that war. That is where the Northern started to push away from the rest of the kingdom and they saw a way to get their freedom when Robb took them to war in the 5 kings. It was the Northerns who chooseto crown Robb and then Jon.
@@Slingshot521 were did Sansa every try to take power? Other then Arya accusing her of this, Sansa never actively did anything of the sort. Up until even end she supported Jon. She may not have agreed with his choices but she stood behind him. She even called the banners to march down south to get Jon back. And unlike Jon or anyone of her family, Sansa literally bleed for the norths independence. Everytime the Robbs army won she was beat for it. Her own wish as a child was to marry and be a good wife and queen to her king. Her journey was in understanding what being subservient to others truly ment to her own person and her own wants and dreams. She represents the Norths cause and the suffering for their freedom. The North struggles are based of off Scotlands own true history with Britain. Just like Dorne is off of Wales.
@@misty3195 I'm sorry did you actually say Dany wasn't in it to help. You mean when she put aside her wants and focused on what Westores needs. The same Dragon Queen who liberated Essos from slavery, saved Westores from a fate far worse than death, and the same one outside the gates of KL suing for peace just hand her sister and step away from the throne that's all. You must be trolling or capping because that was the biggest lie I ever heard.
Please you have got to be kidding me. Dany who listened to her small council withheld herself back she knew destroying the NK was key. Also did you actually say Dany was narcissistic, seriously you must be trolling because the only one who talks that category are Joffery, Cersei, Ramsey, Tywin, Ramsey, Roose, Walder Frey, Tyrion, Sansa, and Varys. The same people calling out loyalty but the main one disloyal, know at alls, and acted like they made a difference, and even to the point stuck in their old ways
Did you actually say Jon disrespected the Northerns by bending the knee to Dany. The fact is he did the correct thing to stand beside a True Queen and ruler protecting their sorry and worthless ass. The same one's who couldn't even stand against the Boltons but now they have a voice and the audacity to stand strong for their own land. Please nothing but fools, hypocrites, and cowards the only one's there that weren't are Wildlings and Mormants.
Sansa was not the key of The North because she didn't care whatsoever about the people. No one needs to check in with her she was a mere copy of Cersei the same one who thought she was everything but lower than dirty. The Northerns did nothing at all to basically have a voice in their independence especially when everyone who defended their land they still had extreme prejudice towards. The Wildlings and Mormants are the one's who did everything for them. Even to the point offering the asylum was off the table. They didn't even defend the Northerns land but you claim they are entitled a voice 🤦♂️.
Arya Loved Jon More Than Anyone Else
Jon literally comes back from the dead. Sansa escapes. The starks finally reunite and yet dumb and dumbass needed some asinine way to kill off littlefinger by faking some feud between these sisters. Ughhhh
Jon is a nice guy but the ruler the North needed was Sansa.
I disagree, everything Sansa told Jon not to do, he did anyway and it paid off.
Also bro legit pulled his sword out, ready to fight the cavalry i’d say that scene alone solidifies his position as king
@@Rub-Rub1 not really. Jon made his own problems by being stupid. He didn't want to fight for Winterfell or against the Boltons and it was Sansa who forced the issue. Jon truly wanted to leave and never come back after he was betrayed by the nights watch. He did not want to rule and gave it up as soon as he had the chance, even when he didn't have to bow to Daenerys. She had already pledged to fight the dead. And by doing that he lost all respect from the Northerners by selling them to another against their wishes. His actions betrayed his own family and the Northerners trust they put in him when they gave him the crown. To add to this Jon did the exact same thing that Robb did when he fall in love. And Jon was gone for months while leaving Sansa in charge with no news, and only comes back after a quick letter about how he bent the knee to Daenerys. Then he went alone with Daenerys to Kingslanding. Taking the few Northern men left to fight right after the long night and when they and Daenerys army was hurt and tired. After years of the North being devastated by wars. Which is exactly why the Northern lords fought so hard for independence from a leader who was hundreds of miles away and an outsider who just used them to fight in their own wars. The Northern lords were tired of that since Robert's rebellion and where many of the houses lost their sons to that war.
So many people commenting either didn’t watch the show or didn’t understand it. Humanity never fails to disappoint 😂
А с чем вы не согласны?
To the Queen in the North
Arya didn't say a word in this clip
I know many will disagree, but house of dragons can't compare to the talent-level of game of thrones(first 7 seasons, not season 8)
You're right.
Most of us disagree.
How u going to compare one season to a whole dynasty? It’ll be better if u compared the first seasons alone
Paddy Considine, Matt Smith and Rhys Ifans have already put out Emmy winning performances. You're a joke
HOTD is already on par with early GOT, so you're wrong there
@@SF-wz5tzOn pair? Naaah not even close, but i do like House.
Song??
Weird, people are hating sansa while when i first watched this scene, i could understand Sansa's side but after watching this isolated scene, I am hating the way arya is acting here, what does she know about northern lord's point of view and sansa's reasons? She was nowhere near north since now. If it wasn't for Sansa, the king in the north choosen for misogynist reasons, would have been somewhere on the battle ground dead. What's more it's her birth right, she deserve it more than a bastard. Him going over the wall to do stupid things to convince cersei and then surrendering himself to a queen because she lost her dragon because of his stupidity doesn't make him suitable for being king. Should have taken the role of war counsel against night king cause that's what he's good at.
First, your using all the crap writing from the later seasons to justify your claims. Second, Jon is not a bastard, his birth was legitimate, Ned just called it that so no one would find out who his father really was.
اريا كانت مستعدة لسلخ وجهها و انتحال شخصيتها اذا انقلبت علي جون اخوها المفضل
everyone who hates sansa is a simpleton who just watched GoT but never really understood the core and essence of characters. Sansa loved her family and she was strong
If she loved her family, why did she snitch on her dad to Cersei? Or not tell the truth about why Arya's wolf bit Joffrey?
If only Brandon didn’t die by the Mad King he was truly groomed to be Lord of the North.
The same idiot who rode into the Red Keep demanding that Prince Rhaegar "come out and die"?
That fool was groomed to command?
He was a prize idiot who thought he was something special because he could bed a woman and swing a sword.
In truth the North lucked out when that fool got himself killed.
I hate sansa more than cersi
Bad writing of season 8
Facts you speaking nothing but truth
It's exactly what she wanted all along!
by the way this is a rerun because I remember this whole life even down to Game of Thrones
Perhaps we should have! Jon is for the people but politics overwhelmed everything and everyone.
Didn't she threaten to take her face
I'm glad Araya told Sansa off. Sansa sucks
They not wrong
They're wrong. Without Jon's plans to join Dany the Night King would be on the iron throne right now.
@@the54th34 nah jon and dany were useless at the end of the day
@@Bigsharter 🙂 dragons were the reason they were able to hold the army of dead at bay for such along time Or else they would have been wiped off from the face of the earth
@@anubhavpatil8842 they literally gave the night king a dragon which caused the wall to fall (one of the only capable defenses against the nk) all for a stupid mission to convice cersei who wouldn’t have fought for either way. And the north literally fought and won against the nk thousands of years before dragons. Lastly the person who actually kills the nk was arya stark, not jon snow or Daenerys
@@Bigsharter
How? If not for them it wouldve been a slaughter. It actually was going that way until Jon and Dany started setting wights on fire lol
I hated the northern lords in this moment. And Sansa is a snake.
Facts Sansa character was done in season 6 it serves no purpose putting the HYPOCRITICAL, EGOTISTICAL, IGNORANT, and GIANT CRYBABY in a position of power. Sad Dumb and Dumber couldn't see that
Parents should be proud watching what happen to his/her childrens. Except for the useless one who died in an arrow
That is mean...😂😂😂😂
that's another thing with all this American North and South crap well I've got the 1611 Bible and both Wilkes and Lincoln were translators therefore I'm calling bulshit on that whole lie
...This is "A Game of Thrones"? The TV series?
What a Stark difference between strong women as portrayed in GOT& ROP. GOT women are far stronger than Galadriel "Commander of the Northern Armies" 😂
I hate Sansa so damn much