I want to clarify that I’m not accusing Naudi Aguilar of being racist. I hope it’s clear that’s not my intention. I simply disagree with the notion that an athlete’s high-level achievements are purely genetic. Barry Sanders, for example, took many deliberate and calculated actions to dominate in his league. He did things others didn’t, which contributed to his durability. I’m not denying that he had great genetics, but his choices-actions that anyone could take-played a major role in shaping the athlete he became. Let’s acknowledge that Barry Sanders’ success was a result of his deliberate actions, not just superior genetics.
Well said. Nobody serious in the S&C world gives him any thought. I understand why you made a clarification given the nature of the internet, but you were spot on. Nobody denies the role that genetics play in skill acquisition and athletic development, but to almost completely disregard the contribution of the weight room is asinine. Not surprising at all coming from him.
You're hanging on tightly to the "only" part of that statement. Naudi already has said that traditional lifting can transfer some to performance. The question is how much actually, what contexts, and is it sustainable and the most complementary to our physiology? So he's techncially not saying it's literally 100% genetics and Barry never put in other work that would help, so its pointless to hold him to what wording, it just helps your case. You've acknowledged that people do need to "learn to move well". Naudis point is that genetics (and probably early epigenetics to an extent) is what gave Barry the foundation to already move well by the time he started lifting. He didn't really have to learn and correct it, he "just had it". Not sure how that's debatable since most of these pro athletes show promise well before doing any lifts, they separate themselves from their peers early, start getting recruited in their early teens, etc. Naudi is saying that foundation is extremely important for anyone, but these guys got a shortcut to it and that's why they can then go lift into their careers and withstand/put off any negative effects better than the average Joe . The Joes likely just end up injured early and then keep struggling going forward. This is why pro teams can't just hire the best trainers in the world and tell them "go make me a Barry Sanders". The day pro teams can just pick a guy off the street and turn them into Barry is the day the momentum shifts in favor of the training and not the genetics.
Also consider you wrote that "actions anyone could take" played a major role shaping the athlete he became. You're implying that becoming Barry Sanders (or mostly like him) is a matter of making those same choices. If this were true teams would just implement the same actions with their players and the result would be all their players moving similarly to Sanders. I don't think that's what you wanted to imply, but that's the case here...
@@RafaelV123 Have you asked yourself why you assume that he "just had it" from the beginning? People assume I "Just had it" when I started, and that's just not true. Many elite athletes I know of had a period of learning the ropes, adjusting when things didn't feel right, injuries. But again, you see the result, and your assumption is they've been great from the start.
Naudi Aguilar is one of the biggest charlatans I've ever had the displeasure of knowing. Met him way early on in his career before he had any real kind of public persona and have been occasionally checking in with him the last 15 years in person and online. I too was a functional fitness guy but from the perspective of your body should be physically capable of adapting to the required demands you place upon it AFTER you have a base of being highly competent with running, jumping, climbing, throwing, pushing, pulling. I've even had a conversation with him where ultimately he admitted he's just making things up for marketing purposes and to be different in an already over saturated fitness industry.
@@fluffyscruffy yeah you’re right, I just have a cult. Unlike you, you just choose not to have a cult, but you could if you tried. Since ur of such high moral caliber, you’d never do such a thing. You’re a natural born leader. I mean look at how u just made an opinion online! No one does that!!! What a stud!
I mean anyone who's had any exposure with the FP community can see where the cult accusations come from. They're almost exclusively young men who start talking exactly like Naudi with the exact same opinions, not just on fitness but society, culture, and politics. No other fitness community parrots their leader quite like FP. Not very "functional" behavior.
Going to say right away (based on that intro and that I know where it’s going)- there is a huge difference between training “back squats” as most have trained them, and training FULL range squats. Same goes for the more-obscure full range (snatch grip) deadlifts. Otherwise I have no doubt that FP’s position on loading partial ranges at the expense of mobility (I know they don’t put it this way) is valid, at least.
The sad thing is hard work and dedication will often rival genetics. Most men will never realize their true potential simply because you make excuses why you CAN'T do something. You never know what you can do with YOUR genetics until you try.
I mean, it is genetics in that 99.999% of men have no chance to ever move like Barry Sanders no matter how they train or what they did growing up. But for those rare people, perhaps it it could of been the difference maker between being on a NFL roster, being all-pro, or an all-time great. I do believe that's why Ben Patrick's program as well as Jay Schroeder's resonates with a lot of people in that it looks like they maximized the gifts of even those who were relatively ungifted.
Not true…any skill position athlete in the NFL is as genetically gifted as Barry yet none of them move like him. It’s his ability that he developed through years of hard work.
@@erickoraganie8705 This is exactly what I said. Anyone in the NFL is roughly 1 out of 100,000. The training could differentiate you if you are in that group.
Functional Patterns (FP) offers no real benefits that barbell training doesn’t already provide-and, in most cases, barbell training is far more effective. 1. Barbell Training is Superior for Strength and Functionality Progressive Overload: Barbell lifts allow you to add weight over time in a safe, structured way, which is essential for long-term strength development. FP’s bodyweight and rotational exercises lack scalability-you can only progress so far before plateauing. Compound Movements: Barbell training strengthens multiple joints and muscle groups simultaneously, addressing posture, core stability, and movement patterns in a single session. FP spreads these benefits across overly complicated exercises without adding meaningful strength. Direct Transfer to Real Life: Heavy squats, deadlifts, and presses make lifting objects, running, walking, and carrying things easier and safer in everyday activities. 2. FP is Overcomplicated and Inefficient FP often overemphasizes "gait mechanics" or "rotational patterns" with exercises that are unnecessarily complex. While posture and mobility are important, you don't need a niche system to address them-basic barbell exercises do the job just fine. Instead of working on your "gait mechanics" with obscure drills, heavy squats and lunges will build the strength and stability you need for efficient walking or running. 3. FP Promotes Pseudoscience FP markets itself as a revolutionary system, but there’s little to no scientific evidence supporting its claims. Many of the exercises are designed to look novel and complex, but that doesn’t mean they work better than traditional strength training. This is part of the "functional fitness" marketing trap, which tries to convince people they need something more specialized than they really do. 4. FP vs. Barbell: The Verdict When it comes to developing strength, mobility, and injury prevention, barbell training wins every time. FP may look impressive on Instagram, but in practice: It lacks progressive overload. It complicates simple movements. It under-delivers on strength and real-world benefits. You don't need FP. If you stick to solid barbell programs that include squats, deadlifts, presses, and carries-along with some mobility work and accessory exercises-you’ll achieve everything FP promises and more. FP's value is minimal compared to the efficiency and effectiveness of barbell training. So save your time, skip the gimmicks, and load the barbell!
FP rival is the Goata guys and even though they don’t support weightlifting at least they acknowledge if you do it cool but at least a few of their drills
I’ve followed FP for a long time and Naudi talks about these athletes because they’re objectively some of the best examples of human movement we have video of. Their race is irrelevant and he never talks about their race being a factor. This is just shameless political rage baiting by Nsima to get more views. No ones denying that athletes like these put insane amounts of work into their sport and their training, the point is that if 99% of humans today put the exact same work these athletes did, they still wouldn’t move that way, which means that genetics is the differentiating factor and that the training they did isn’t what got them there fundamentally so that training won’t be as effective for less gifted people and athletes. This take Nsima’s using is honestly pretty sad.
I’d like to see an episode on genetics - the best swimmer in the world right now leon marchand. best rugby league player, Nathan Cleary. Best nfl player, Patrick Mahomes, best soccer striker Erling Haarland - all have pro sporting parents. It’s obviously not everything but who your parents are is a huge head start.
Preach ❤ 🙌 lifting is not one size fits all! Training methodology is not one program beats all others. There are many trails to the top of the mountain 🏔️
When they say genetics, they're referring to the way someone moves, their biomechanics. It's hard to understand how disintegrated the body can actually be unless you've been there. You can't just take somebody else, substitute the workouts of an athlete like Hershel Walker and expect the same result. They could even do more work than he did; if their body doesn't move as efficiently, it's impossible to achieve what he did. Nsima, it does feel like you take for granted being born with great biomechanics. It means adding mass is easier, resistance to injury, resistance to compressive forces like gravity, breathing better, body awareness.
To make the assumption that I’ve had great biomechanics is part of the problem. You see me NOW and don’t understand how obsessed I’ve been at FIXING MY BIOMECHANICS. You only see the result, not the work, and with the result you have the audacity to tell me I was born with good biomechanics. The amount of change my body has made in this past decade because of 1000s of hours of training is mind blowing, but you think I just “have” it.
@@NsimaInyang I am in no way saying you haven't worked hard. But do you seriously think that hard work is the only thing separating the athletic from the unathletic?
@@NsimaInyangif the way u work out is what makes u what u are now then that means u can expect the same result from other people who does the same training as u.. but that’s not the case, but hey.. it’s fine.. it’s there already, people are slowly walking away from the BS that’s the industry is doing. It’s just a matter of time for fp. As for a system that helps so much people, it takes unbelievable values to call them out the way u guys did. And to think none of u has the results that they have..
You are missing the point, it’s true that if you do the same training of someone who become great doesn’t mean you achieve the same result. Obviously everyone has different genetics. But the way FP promotes their view, is saying that those training doesn’t make you better at all, that it’s completely useless, when in fact you won’t get the same results but you can still improve. Also FP says that their way is THE ONLY correct way to improve and get results. And that everything else won’t work AT ALL. And lastly they say FP is the only training that can make a weak person and avg jo into an high performance athletes. The worst part, is when they say it, they first trash everyone else, and say their view in a sarcastic way and when people tries to argue, they act like the victim but mostly like they are at the center of the fitness industry and that everybody tries to put them down cos of it, when it fact no one knows them and the reason they get attacked is cos they attack and are being a jerk first. Some of their coaches explain things very well, they show why some staff that it’s known in the industry can hurt you long term and they show the alternative, but others like Naudi would do the same thing but by being a jerk about it and telling straight that everybody else is stupid and dumb. I mean even if that is true, if he truly wanted to help people not getting hurt, the way to deliver a message is really important. How can someone see the value in his approach of training when he will tell you that you are stupid, dumb, and he is so advanced and smart. Like in busness, selling a service by being an ass doesn’t translate in big profits. Or trying to get girls by being disrespectful and talking all the time trying to put everybody down and put yourself up, doesn’t get you popular with girls. There’s value in their training, Great value, but majority of them, prolly cos they see it from Naudi, are just stupid in the way they try to market their product
Genetics are incredibly important. All I know is I became the strongest guy in my gym in less than 2 years of training. That includes guys who are blasting gear and have been training for 10+ years. I trained very smart, I trained very hard but but my genetics were a larger component of that equation than anything that was actually under my control.
It's the dosage of whatever one thing or mix of things that you do. If im correct, and not in totality, Naudi is helping people decompress their spines because we deal with gravity already. Also balancing the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems. I agree though, i think that there can be marriage.
Genetics do matter. I get it that people want to feel special. There are gifted athletes, you think white guys don’t try to play basketball? Or want to be an NFL RB or DB? 😂 It’s okay to acknowledge it without degrading someone’s hard work.
Technologies are being developed by Functional Patterns that will condition humans to generate force and hypertrophy in a way that will directly translate to sprinting and the 3 dimensional demands of all sports. Traditional weightlifting is obsolete in improving athletic performance and that will be proven in the near future as these FP technologies are released. The results you see currently from FP, although impressive, are nothing compared to what is coming. I’ve had the opportunity to test some of these new tools and the stimulus blows barbell lifts etc. out of the water.
it’s true that if you do the same training of someone who become great doesn’t mean you achieve the same result. Obviously everyone has different genetics. But the way FP promotes their view, is saying that those training doesn’t make you better at all, that it’s completely useless, when in fact you won’t get the same results but you can still improve. Also FP says that their way is THE ONLY correct way to improve and get results. And that everything else won’t work AT ALL. And lastly they say FP is the only training that can make a weak person and avg jo into an high performance athletes. The worst part, is when they say it, they first trash everyone else, and say their view in a sarcastic way and when people tries to argue, they act like the victim but mostly like they are at the center of the fitness industry and that everybody tries to put them down cos of it, when it fact no one knows them and the reason they get attacked is cos they attack and are being a jerk first. Some of their coaches explain things very well, they show why some staff that it’s known in the industry can hurt you long term and they show the alternative, but others like Naudi would do the same thing but by being a jerk about it and telling straight that everybody else is stupid and dumb. I mean even if that is true, if he truly wanted to help people not getting hurt, the way to deliver a message is really important. How can someone see the value in his approach of training when he will tell you that you are stupid, dumb, and he is so advanced and smart. Like in busness, selling a service by being an ass doesn’t translate in big profits. Or trying to get girls by being disrespectful and talking all the time trying to put everybody down and put yourself up, doesn’t get you popular with girls. There’s value in their training, Great value, but majority of them, prolly cos they see it from Naudi, are just stupid in the way they try to market their product
Crazy to say anything about FP is defeatist 13:29 naudi is trying to understand how to make the average person move just like Barry sanders and Bo Jackson and he devotes his whole life to it. This podcast will not age well.
There is NO training that can make you Barry sanders and Bo Jackson lol they’re elite, by definition there is not a lot of those humans walking the earth
The problem is that people will look at a couple examples of something and say that’s the end all be all. Some people have great genetics, some people work harder than others and some have a natural talent better than others. Greatness isn’t achieved one way or for only 1 reason. They all play a factor.
Without evening realizing it, Nsima is actually proving the point FP has been making for years. Yes these atheists work hard & train hard, no one is denying that. Most people can work just as hard & doing everything these athletes do. Due to their genetic gifts, the athletes succeed in spite of the training not because of it. If you watch the videos again, Nsima actually proves this
No, it's not in SPITE of their training. I was clear. NOT EVERYONE can start training like these athletes because they do NOT have a good base of movement. When you have a good base of movement (WHICH YOU CAN TRAIN) you can then begin to STACK TISSUE on your frame which will IMPROVE your POWER potential. Many people start with #2 (LIFTING) before #1(MOVEMENT) and in turn get HURT. If you have trained to MOVE WELL, you can then get the benefits that come with RESISTANCE, and that resistance ABSOLUTELY IMPROVES PERFORMANCE.
@ yes I agree with your statement, that’s exactly what FP has been saying brotha. You just said it again & the athletes that can train however, can do so because of their genetic makeup of athleticism. FP has been saying this before anyone else has & have actual results of people with terrible movement improving & becoming more athletic. Results no one else has, so as you speak it’s all theory, FP puts it into actual application. Also, the statement you made about black athletes is asinine. FP is giving those athletes their respect & flowers by using them as a model of great movement & building a framework from what those human beings are capable of doing. You’re clearly trying to diminish the work & I’m not buying it.
Postural restoration institute is 1,000 times better than FP. Bill Hartman’s model is the best I’ve seen on rib compression and decompression mechanics.
@@emilcioran2919 OK DORK.... that is all Herschel ever did..... Herschel also fought N MMA at 48 yrs old.... weight lifting had NOTHING to do with THAT. N FACT, very few MMA fighters or top shelf boxers have nothing to do with lifting weights. Some do, MOST do not
I really like the FP, but I don’t like how he says that certain exercises are absolutely bad for you! I get it, most people, abuse, squat, bench, and dead lift! But they can be used properly to gain functional strength!!!
I remember when Naudi tried posting all of his bullshit training methods on Sherdog's strength/power forum. He got torn a new one. He came there spouting things that he couldn't back up, but worse than that, he wasn't humble. The guy was an absolute ass to anyone that challenged his ideas.
1:19 I saw this guys video the other day on instagram and immediately thought it was one of the dumbest most self refuting arguments I’ve ever seen. Barry Sanders did old school powerlifting like football strength and conditioning. He also moves better than almost anyone in nfl history. Barry Sanders would not produce as much force if he did not lift and he damn sure wouldn’t be an absolutely jacked 200 pounds at 5,9. A Barry Sanders who didn’t lift would be 170 pounds and wouldn’t have been in the nfl and if he did make it wouldn’t be able to handle an RB1 workload. Was Barry genetically gifted? Of course anytime you’re talking about one of the greatest of all time they’re probably both extremely gifted and extremely hard workers.
So ur saying he is gifted and the training makes him exceptional? So both. Now lets use that logic to someone who is not gifted, but train like the way barry did, is that person going to improve his athleticism? Hmm.. something is off. Maybe being a trainer for 10 years is not enough for me to observe that conventional weightlifting is not making people athletic, all i hear every morning in the gym is a complain from pain from the people who are doing traditional training but with the acceptance that it is normal. 🤷♂️
@@charlomanalang4429 if you took someone who is not gifted had them lift like Barry and then stent football practices all the time they would absolutely improve their athleticism massively. What the functional pattern guy gets wrong is you don’t need to mimic your sport much in the weight room if you’re engaged in athletics (there are some niche examples where it would be useful) because you’re getting the athletic train practicing your sport. The weight room is there primarily to increase muscle mass, increase strength, and increase peak force production
@@charlomanalang4429 the weightlifting is not the problem in the people you’re seeing in the gym who aren’t athletic. It’s that they haven’t done anything remotely athletic in years or maybe ever. If you take someone who hasn’t moved in a remotely athletic way in a decade they’re going to have poor athleticism regardless of if they’ve been lifting or not.
EVERYONE KNOWS if you dont have the GENETICS..... you have NO CHANCE at being a IFBB pro and ZERO chance at a Mr Olympia... dont care how hard you lift or how much gear you are on--- no GENETICS --- NO PRO CARD
Nsima acting like blacks are not athletically gifted especially in terms of type 2 muscle fibers is hilarious. Let’s be honest Barry Sanders would have been in the NFL without weight lifting. It wasn’t the weight lifting that made him great, it was his genetics. Stop being offended.
Not a word of what you said is factually true because you’re referring to a hypothetical situation…..in reality every person you’ve ever come across that looks like they should be in the nfl has lifted weights for years so I dont know where your getting that from. Are you seeing pre teens and thinking they should be in the nfl lol, because everyone that trains for the pros starts LIFTING between 13-15 years old
You're another person dismissing black athlete's discipline. Genetics alone does not make someone a great player, it takes years of hard work and commitment to self-improvement.
You guys would love athlean x programs they involve every aspect of exercise he is the goat imo of training he's been doing all these things since the start have him on
I want to clarify that I’m not accusing Naudi Aguilar of being racist. I hope it’s clear that’s not my intention. I simply disagree with the notion that an athlete’s high-level achievements are purely genetic. Barry Sanders, for example, took many deliberate and calculated actions to dominate in his league. He did things others didn’t, which contributed to his durability. I’m not denying that he had great genetics, but his choices-actions that anyone could take-played a major role in shaping the athlete he became. Let’s acknowledge that Barry Sanders’ success was a result of his deliberate actions, not just superior genetics.
Well said. Nobody serious in the S&C world gives him any thought. I understand why you made a clarification given the nature of the internet, but you were spot on. Nobody denies the role that genetics play in skill acquisition and athletic development, but to almost completely disregard the contribution of the weight room is asinine. Not surprising at all coming from him.
Says the dude with superior genetics 😂
You're hanging on tightly to the "only" part of that statement. Naudi already has said that traditional lifting can transfer some to performance. The question is how much actually, what contexts, and is it sustainable and the most complementary to our physiology? So he's techncially not saying it's literally 100% genetics and Barry never put in other work that would help, so its pointless to hold him to what wording, it just helps your case. You've acknowledged that people do need to "learn to move well". Naudis point is that genetics (and probably early epigenetics to an extent) is what gave Barry the foundation to already move well by the time he started lifting. He didn't really have to learn and correct it, he "just had it". Not sure how that's debatable since most of these pro athletes show promise well before doing any lifts, they separate themselves from their peers early, start getting recruited in their early teens, etc. Naudi is saying that foundation is extremely important for anyone, but these guys got a shortcut to it and that's why they can then go lift into their careers and withstand/put off any negative effects better than the average Joe . The Joes likely just end up injured early and then keep struggling going forward. This is why pro teams can't just hire the best trainers in the world and tell them "go make me a Barry Sanders". The day pro teams can just pick a guy off the street and turn them into Barry is the day the momentum shifts in favor of the training and not the genetics.
Also consider you wrote that "actions anyone could take" played a major role shaping the athlete he became. You're implying that becoming Barry Sanders (or mostly like him) is a matter of making those same choices. If this were true teams would just implement the same actions with their players and the result would be all their players moving similarly to Sanders. I don't think that's what you wanted to imply, but that's the case here...
@@RafaelV123 Have you asked yourself why you assume that he "just had it" from the beginning? People assume I "Just had it" when I started, and that's just not true. Many elite athletes I know of had a period of learning the ropes, adjusting when things didn't feel right, injuries. But again, you see the result, and your assumption is they've been great from the start.
Mark bell is very open minded but also critical when he needs to be. I enjoy his take on things because he’s not biased or illogical
Naudi Aguilar is one of the biggest charlatans I've ever had the displeasure of knowing. Met him way early on in his career before he had any real kind of public persona and have been occasionally checking in with him the last 15 years in person and online. I too was a functional fitness guy but from the perspective of your body should be physically capable of adapting to the required demands you place upon it AFTER you have a base of being highly competent with running, jumping, climbing, throwing, pushing, pulling. I've even had a conversation with him where ultimately he admitted he's just making things up for marketing purposes and to be different in an already over saturated fitness industry.
That’s just hurtful bro. Like straight up u just hurt my feelings with that statement!
@@functionalpatterns What if I give you a little smooch? Would that make it better?
That's well deserved, Naudi is the Jim Jones of fitness.
@@fluffyscruffy yeah you’re right, I just have a cult. Unlike you, you just choose not to have a cult, but you could if you tried. Since ur of such high moral caliber, you’d never do such a thing. You’re a natural born leader. I mean look at how u just made an opinion online! No one does that!!! What a stud!
I mean anyone who's had any exposure with the FP community can see where the cult accusations come from. They're almost exclusively young men who start talking exactly like Naudi with the exact same opinions, not just on fitness but society, culture, and politics. No other fitness community parrots their leader quite like FP. Not very "functional" behavior.
Nsima brotha good for you for addressing this 👏🏾 its disrespectful to ignore the hardwork of gifted athletes by simply saying "genetics" 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
Going to say right away (based on that intro and that I know where it’s going)- there is a huge difference between training “back squats” as most have trained them, and training FULL range squats.
Same goes for the more-obscure full range (snatch grip) deadlifts.
Otherwise I have no doubt that FP’s position on loading partial ranges at the expense of mobility (I know they don’t put it this way) is valid, at least.
The sad thing is hard work and dedication will often rival genetics. Most men will never realize their true potential simply because you make excuses why you CAN'T do something. You never know what you can do with YOUR genetics until you try.
Great episode guys! Really appreciate the conversation
21:00 I agree. FP will not get you jacked enough to protect your body for the demands of sports like American Football and Rugby.
I mean, it is genetics in that 99.999% of men have no chance to ever move like Barry Sanders no matter how they train or what they did growing up. But for those rare people, perhaps it it could of been the difference maker between being on a NFL roster, being all-pro, or an all-time great. I do believe that's why Ben Patrick's program as well as Jay Schroeder's resonates with a lot of people in that it looks like they maximized the gifts of even those who were relatively ungifted.
Not true…any skill position athlete in the NFL is as genetically gifted as Barry yet none of them move like him. It’s his ability that he developed through years of hard work.
@@erickoraganie8705 This is exactly what I said. Anyone in the NFL is roughly 1 out of 100,000. The training could differentiate you if you are in that group.
@@harrisonmcdaniels6019 I misread what you said! Looking back now I get it, my mistake.
Functional Patterns (FP) offers no real benefits that barbell training doesn’t already provide-and, in most cases, barbell training is far more effective.
1. Barbell Training is Superior for Strength and Functionality
Progressive Overload: Barbell lifts allow you to add weight over time in a safe, structured way, which is essential for long-term strength development. FP’s bodyweight and rotational exercises lack scalability-you can only progress so far before plateauing.
Compound Movements: Barbell training strengthens multiple joints and muscle groups simultaneously, addressing posture, core stability, and movement patterns in a single session. FP spreads these benefits across overly complicated exercises without adding meaningful strength.
Direct Transfer to Real Life: Heavy squats, deadlifts, and presses make lifting objects, running, walking, and carrying things easier and safer in everyday activities.
2. FP is Overcomplicated and Inefficient
FP often overemphasizes "gait mechanics" or "rotational patterns" with exercises that are unnecessarily complex. While posture and mobility are important, you don't need a niche system to address them-basic barbell exercises do the job just fine. Instead of working on your "gait mechanics" with obscure drills, heavy squats and lunges will build the strength and stability you need for efficient walking or running.
3. FP Promotes Pseudoscience
FP markets itself as a revolutionary system, but there’s little to no scientific evidence supporting its claims. Many of the exercises are designed to look novel and complex, but that doesn’t mean they work better than traditional strength training. This is part of the "functional fitness" marketing trap, which tries to convince people they need something more specialized than they really do.
4. FP vs. Barbell: The Verdict
When it comes to developing strength, mobility, and injury prevention, barbell training wins every time. FP may look impressive on Instagram, but in practice:
It lacks progressive overload.
It complicates simple movements.
It under-delivers on strength and real-world benefits.
You don't need FP. If you stick to solid barbell programs that include squats, deadlifts, presses, and carries-along with some mobility work and accessory exercises-you’ll achieve everything FP promises and more. FP's value is minimal compared to the efficiency and effectiveness of barbell training. So save your time, skip the gimmicks, and load the barbell!
FP rival is the Goata guys and even though they don’t support weightlifting at least they acknowledge if you do it cool but at least a few of their drills
Thank you, sir, for saying it.
Bring NAUDI on!!
He’s hiding in the comments here
I’ve followed FP for a long time and Naudi talks about these athletes because they’re objectively some of the best examples of human movement we have video of. Their race is irrelevant and he never talks about their race being a factor. This is just shameless political rage baiting by Nsima to get more views. No ones denying that athletes like these put insane amounts of work into their sport and their training, the point is that if 99% of humans today put the exact same work these athletes did, they still wouldn’t move that way, which means that genetics is the differentiating factor and that the training they did isn’t what got them there fundamentally so that training won’t be as effective for less gifted people and athletes. This take Nsima’s using is honestly pretty sad.
Your existence is the gift!
I’d like to see an episode on genetics - the best swimmer in the world right now leon marchand. best rugby league player, Nathan Cleary. Best nfl player, Patrick Mahomes, best soccer striker Erling Haarland - all have pro sporting parents. It’s obviously not everything but who your parents are is a huge head start.
Preach ❤ 🙌 lifting is not one size fits all! Training methodology is not one program beats all others. There are many trails to the top of the mountain 🏔️
When they say genetics, they're referring to the way someone moves, their biomechanics. It's hard to understand how disintegrated the body can actually be unless you've been there. You can't just take somebody else, substitute the workouts of an athlete like Hershel Walker and expect the same result. They could even do more work than he did; if their body doesn't move as efficiently, it's impossible to achieve what he did.
Nsima, it does feel like you take for granted being born with great biomechanics. It means adding mass is easier, resistance to injury, resistance to compressive forces like gravity, breathing better, body awareness.
To make the assumption that I’ve had great biomechanics is part of the problem. You see me NOW and don’t understand how obsessed I’ve been at FIXING MY BIOMECHANICS. You only see the result, not the work, and with the result you have the audacity to tell me I was born with good biomechanics. The amount of change my body has made in this past decade because of 1000s of hours of training is mind blowing, but you think I just “have” it.
@@NsimaInyang I am in no way saying you haven't worked hard.
But do you seriously think that hard work is the only thing separating the athletic from the unathletic?
@@NsimaInyangif the way u work out is what makes u what u are now then that means u can expect the same result from other people who does the same training as u.. but that’s not the case, but hey.. it’s fine.. it’s there already, people are slowly walking away from the BS that’s the industry is doing. It’s just a matter of time for fp. As for a system that helps so much people, it takes unbelievable values to call them out the way u guys did. And to think none of u has the results that they have..
You are missing the point, it’s true that if you do the same training of someone who become great doesn’t mean you achieve the same result. Obviously everyone has different genetics.
But the way FP promotes their view, is saying that those training doesn’t make you better at all, that it’s completely useless, when in fact you won’t get the same results but you can still improve.
Also FP says that their way is THE ONLY correct way to improve and get results. And that everything else won’t work AT ALL. And lastly they say FP is the only training that can make a weak person and avg jo into an high performance athletes.
The worst part, is when they say it, they first trash everyone else, and say their view in a sarcastic way and when people tries to argue, they act like the victim but mostly like they are at the center of the fitness industry and that everybody tries to put them down cos of it, when it fact no one knows them and the reason they get attacked is cos they attack and are being a jerk first.
Some of their coaches explain things very well, they show why some staff that it’s known in the industry can hurt you long term and they show the alternative, but others like Naudi would do the same thing but by being a jerk about it and telling straight that everybody else is stupid and dumb.
I mean even if that is true, if he truly wanted to help people not getting hurt, the way to deliver a message is really important. How can someone see the value in his approach of training when he will tell you that you are stupid, dumb, and he is so advanced and smart. Like in busness, selling a service by being an ass doesn’t translate in big profits. Or trying to get girls by being disrespectful and talking all the time trying to put everybody down and put yourself up, doesn’t get you popular with girls.
There’s value in their training, Great value, but majority of them, prolly cos they see it from Naudi, are just stupid in the way they try to market their product
Genetics are incredibly important. All I know is I became the strongest guy in my gym in less than 2 years of training. That includes guys who are blasting gear and have been training for 10+ years.
I trained very smart, I trained very hard but but my genetics were a larger component of that equation than anything that was actually under my control.
Finally, someone addressing the jealousy and racism online
you should get Adarian Barr on the show, he's very interesting
It's the dosage of whatever one thing or mix of things that you do. If im correct, and not in totality, Naudi is helping people decompress their spines because we deal with gravity already. Also balancing the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems. I agree though, i think that there can be marriage.
Genetics do matter. I get it that people want to feel special. There are gifted athletes, you think white guys don’t try to play basketball? Or want to be an NFL RB or DB? 😂 It’s okay to acknowledge it without degrading someone’s hard work.
Get Barry on the show
Technologies are being developed by Functional Patterns that will condition humans to generate force and hypertrophy in a way that will directly translate to sprinting and the 3 dimensional demands of all sports. Traditional weightlifting is obsolete in improving athletic performance and that will be proven in the near future as these FP technologies are released. The results you see currently from FP, although impressive, are nothing compared to what is coming. I’ve had the opportunity to test some of these new tools and the stimulus blows barbell lifts etc. out of the water.
-someone who doesn’t understand “traditional weightlifting” when intelligently applied.
Want to be more athletic? Build the hardware.
U guys been saying this bs for years. Best thing I did for my body was stop doing FP.
Don't hold your breath. Naudi has been saying for like 8 years, it's never gonna happen.
it’s true that if you do the same training of someone who become great doesn’t mean you achieve the same result. Obviously everyone has different genetics.
But the way FP promotes their view, is saying that those training doesn’t make you better at all, that it’s completely useless, when in fact you won’t get the same results but you can still improve.
Also FP says that their way is THE ONLY correct way to improve and get results. And that everything else won’t work AT ALL. And lastly they say FP is the only training that can make a weak person and avg jo into an high performance athletes.
The worst part, is when they say it, they first trash everyone else, and say their view in a sarcastic way and when people tries to argue, they act like the victim but mostly like they are at the center of the fitness industry and that everybody tries to put them down cos of it, when it fact no one knows them and the reason they get attacked is cos they attack and are being a jerk first.
Some of their coaches explain things very well, they show why some staff that it’s known in the industry can hurt you long term and they show the alternative, but others like Naudi would do the same thing but by being a jerk about it and telling straight that everybody else is stupid and dumb.
I mean even if that is true, if he truly wanted to help people not getting hurt, the way to deliver a message is really important. How can someone see the value in his approach of training when he will tell you that you are stupid, dumb, and he is so advanced and smart. Like in busness, selling a service by being an ass doesn’t translate in big profits. Or trying to get girls by being disrespectful and talking all the time trying to put everybody down and put yourself up, doesn’t get you popular with girls.
There’s value in their training, Great value, but majority of them, prolly cos they see it from Naudi, are just stupid in the way they try to market their product
Crazy to say anything about FP is defeatist 13:29 naudi is trying to understand how to make the average person move just like Barry sanders and Bo Jackson and he devotes his whole life to it. This podcast will not age well.
Keep listening, in a bit we glaze fp’s shaft at the awesome work they do. 😂
@@NsimaInyang Have you read Robert Sapolsky’s book “Determined”?
There is NO training that can make you Barry sanders and Bo Jackson lol they’re elite, by definition there is not a lot of those humans walking the earth
@@BobbyFiler bro have you read tyranny of words? Have you studied Jaque fresco? Have you seen the matrix, bro?
The problem is that people will look at a couple examples of something and say that’s the end all be all. Some people have great genetics, some people work harder than others and some have a natural talent better than others. Greatness isn’t achieved one way or for only 1 reason. They all play a factor.
Without evening realizing it, Nsima is actually proving the point FP has been making for years.
Yes these atheists work hard & train hard, no one is denying that. Most people can work just as hard & doing everything these athletes do. Due to their genetic gifts, the athletes succeed in spite of the training not because of it. If you watch the videos again, Nsima actually proves this
No, it's not in SPITE of their training. I was clear. NOT EVERYONE can start training like these athletes because they do NOT have a good base of movement. When you have a good base of movement (WHICH YOU CAN TRAIN) you can then begin to STACK TISSUE on your frame which will IMPROVE your POWER potential. Many people start with #2 (LIFTING) before #1(MOVEMENT) and in turn get HURT. If you have trained to MOVE WELL, you can then get the benefits that come with RESISTANCE, and that resistance ABSOLUTELY IMPROVES PERFORMANCE.
@ yes I agree with your statement, that’s exactly what FP has been saying brotha. You just said it again & the athletes that can train however, can do so because of their genetic makeup of athleticism. FP has been saying this before anyone else has & have actual results of people with terrible movement improving & becoming more athletic. Results no one else has, so as you speak it’s all theory, FP puts it into actual application.
Also, the statement you made about black athletes is asinine. FP is giving those athletes their respect & flowers by using them as a model of great movement & building a framework from what those human beings are capable of doing. You’re clearly trying to diminish the work & I’m not buying it.
Postural restoration institute is 1,000 times better than FP. Bill Hartman’s model is the best I’ve seen on rib compression and decompression mechanics.
this 👆
Herschel Walker only did bodyweight calisthenics. Never touched weights.
Ok boomer
@@emilcioran2919 OK DORK.... that is all Herschel ever did..... Herschel also fought N MMA at 48 yrs old.... weight lifting had NOTHING to do with THAT. N FACT, very few MMA fighters or top shelf boxers have nothing to do with lifting weights. Some do, MOST do not
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@@GameDog-ql6pv this is false
I really like the FP, but I don’t like how he says that certain exercises are absolutely bad for you! I get it, most people, abuse, squat, bench, and dead lift! But they can be used properly to gain functional strength!!!
Correct, they can be used more intelligently. To FP’s credit, few people use them intelligently.
I don’t know… it kinda sounds to me like these guys are slowly talking themselves into being FP maximalists.
I remember when Naudi tried posting all of his bullshit training methods on Sherdog's strength/power forum. He got torn a new one. He came there spouting things that he couldn't back up, but worse than that, he wasn't humble. The guy was an absolute ass to anyone that challenged his ideas.
What do u think of the results they have?
Lifting is to jiu jitsu as FP is to McDojo.
Barry Sanders' feet were twice the width of normal male feet.
It’s genetics bro
Am I the only one seeing nothing but a black screen
*You're not gifted
Yoar
My not gifted what?
Genetics matter! Genetics gifts are real! Handed down by your ancestorss! Natural talent is real! These 2 are amateurs!🤦🏾♂️
Herschel walker
1:19 I saw this guys video the other day on instagram and immediately thought it was one of the dumbest most self refuting arguments I’ve ever seen. Barry Sanders did old school powerlifting like football strength and conditioning. He also moves better than almost anyone in nfl history. Barry Sanders would not produce as much force if he did not lift and he damn sure wouldn’t be an absolutely jacked 200 pounds at 5,9. A Barry Sanders who didn’t lift would be 170 pounds and wouldn’t have been in the nfl and if he did make it wouldn’t be able to handle an RB1 workload. Was Barry genetically gifted? Of course anytime you’re talking about one of the greatest of all time they’re probably both extremely gifted and extremely hard workers.
perfectly said.
So ur saying he is gifted and the training makes him exceptional? So both. Now lets use that logic to someone who is not gifted, but train like the way barry did, is that person going to improve his athleticism? Hmm.. something is off. Maybe being a trainer for 10 years is not enough for me to observe that conventional weightlifting is not making people athletic, all i hear every morning in the gym is a complain from pain from the people who are doing traditional training but with the acceptance that it is normal. 🤷♂️
@@charlomanalang4429 if you took someone who is not gifted had them lift like Barry and then stent football practices all the time they would absolutely improve their athleticism massively. What the functional pattern guy gets wrong is you don’t need to mimic your sport much in the weight room if you’re engaged in athletics (there are some niche examples where it would be useful) because you’re getting the athletic train practicing your sport. The weight room is there primarily to increase muscle mass, increase strength, and increase peak force production
@@charlomanalang4429 the weightlifting is not the problem in the people you’re seeing in the gym who aren’t athletic. It’s that they haven’t done anything remotely athletic in years or maybe ever. If you take someone who hasn’t moved in a remotely athletic way in a decade they’re going to have poor athleticism regardless of if they’ve been lifting or not.
You're* ....sorry
EVERYONE KNOWS if you dont have the GENETICS..... you have NO CHANCE at being a IFBB pro and ZERO chance at a Mr Olympia... dont care how hard you lift or how much gear you are on--- no GENETICS --- NO PRO CARD
Nsima acting like blacks are not athletically gifted especially in terms of type 2 muscle fibers is hilarious. Let’s be honest Barry Sanders would have been in the NFL without weight lifting. It wasn’t the weight lifting that made him great, it was his genetics. Stop being offended.
You're absolutely correct! Also they all have big dicks, listen to that rap music and smoke ganja.
Not a word of what you said is factually true because you’re referring to a hypothetical situation…..in reality every person you’ve ever come across that looks like they should be in the nfl has lifted weights for years so I dont know where your getting that from. Are you seeing pre teens and thinking they should be in the nfl lol, because everyone that trains for the pros starts LIFTING between 13-15 years old
You're another person dismissing black athlete's discipline.
Genetics alone does not make someone a great player, it takes years of hard work and commitment to self-improvement.
Like they said at the beginning, it’s the epigenetic! If Barry Sanders was locked up in a cage at a young age, he would never be as great as he was!!!
Found Nadi’s burner account
Ah this con man 😂
You guys would love athlean x programs they involve every aspect of exercise he is the goat imo of training he's been doing all these things since the start have him on