Jedd in the shed - Jedd Hughes - "You sound too Nashville" Part 2
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Just a little more riffin on this comment I got last week.
More importantly and curious to me is when the so called Nashville session man guitar sound started and when did it start to be emulated and incorporated in other genres and session scene cities.
Also, taking a quick look at deconstructing what we know and applying simple phrases to multiple keys and expanding on those concepts.
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Marty's bassist, Chris Scruggs would be the one to ask about the spread of influences. The guy has encyclopedic knowledge!
Yes!! Great idea
Most of the old blues guys throughout the south listened to the Opry. It's talked about a bit in Barry Mazor's great biography of Ralph Peer. If you were lucky enough to have access to a radio, the WSM signal would bring a Nashville guitar into your living room.
This is all peaking my curiosity! Looking forward to chatting mate
Jedd, I do that, yes. I think improvising is listening to yourself, hearing where that thing should go next, and knowing how to visualize and execute the next thing. It's bootstrapping music in real time. The more you do it, the more you learn how to do it, and the more cohesive it becomes. Classical players I know execute brilliantly, but they haven't developed the gear for creating music from scratch.
Exactly! Preparation meets opportunity as my wife says
Man, that intro!
Some people mean it as a statement of saying someone is to polished sounding, you don't hear enough raw hand noise and clickity clank, that can very well sometimes add some needed authenticity to someone's sound. Some people mean it to say that something sounds like corporate studio music. Sometimes it means that someone's playing is affectatiously emotive, almost forcing this landscapy mystical sound. All of these have their place but in my experience this list of meanings are the most common.
Bernie Leadon's country rock on the Eagles albums would probably be too country for Nashville now but wasn't even considered country then. Thanks for sharing Jedd.
Great point!
Hi Jedd, great video. Thanks for the heads up on Buddy Miller Poison Love. What a great album with amazing songs and awesome guitar playing!
Killer right! Fun fact when we moved back from Austin Buddy rented us the house he made that record in!
Hey Jed, just wanted to say thanks for the hard work, and the insights into life, music, family, all the important stuff. If feels great to have someone like yourself out there being thoughtful and sincere, it means a lot. Cheers, Nic
Thanks so much Nic, really appreciate you saying that
The reason is because you've opened up to your viewers, which is a good thing! Keep the content coming!
Those early guys were just Jazz musicians doing their version of hillbilly music, then rockabilly, and eventually pop (Jim Reeves/Patsy Cline).
Talk to Otis. He'll get you hooked up with Marty.
Rage is still on our screens mate, still going strong. Getting a lot from the music and the musings, love what you're doing with this channel!
Ah that’s awesome! Wow. How many years has that been running!??
@@JeddHughesOfficial 37th year, still awesome. Before that we had Rock Arena - and my grandma’s Johnny Cash records. Thanks for taking us into your world mate, it’s pretty special.
Jedd, two things - first, I think you're my favorite guitarist these days and I've followed session players and played since I was 10 (40 now). I grew up knowing / watching some of the great Nashville session guys and you are the real deal. And 2nd - it's SOOOO not fair to make me want to get a Gene Parsons B-bender like that. That's really going to ruin my wallet man! Haha ... I'll guess I'll just add it to the list with the vintage Gretsch, vintage J-45 (or Hummingbird) and so on. All in God's good timing. Be well man... keep taking great care of your family, your mental & spiritual health (I say... seek first the Kingdom of God; if you haven't read it, pick up a copy of the Purpose Driven Life). I pray blessings over your continued journey and look forward to continuing to tune in!
Man, that sounds great! The mindset is different for someone who only plays the melodies as written for a song vs. someone who grew up listening to people who play parts (even embellishing the main melodies) and solos differently every time they play - and then trying to emulate that approach. She could start trying to just play the quarter note roots of each chord. Then, maybe adding different rhythms (slight embellishments) as the changes pass. Later, adding more notes (chord tones?) to the attempts. I'm rambling... HA!
Do you know who popularized the concept of stepping out and playing lines over the chord changes rather than just quoting the melody with slight embellishments? Louis Armstrong! Monster player.
Jedd i love your videos man thanks, When do you think is the right time to bend in a song? And when is it too much? Greetings from Argentina
which bender is that in your guitar and do you have a preference of Bender installers? I prefer the Glaser myself, especially since wait times are no longer as thing.
was wondering the same thing. Thinking about doing a DIY bender tele. Anyone have some tips to go about that, I would really appreciate it. Is there any store similar to Warmoth in the EU?
Check out the video 'Jedd Hughes Rig Rundown Guitar Gear Tour' on the Premier Guitar UA-cam channel. They discuss all you want to know about the bender.
Been there :)
Maybe it was more of a comment on tone than a comment on content?
Sounds like that "too Nashville" comment is getting too you. Don't let that spin you out. It sounds like the producer doesn't sugar coat and wanted to be direct and concise. Giving him the benefit of the doubt (I wasn't there obviously and couldn't read the room), he may have thought the part sounded derivative. Maybe he thought it sounded too diatonic or too much embellishment using major thirds? Maybe he wanted something more modern sounding. What does that mean? Would have to read the room, dunno. Maybe some more sus chords, some tasty substitutions or borrowed chords. Curious what your response was.
My guitar teacher here in Australia introduced me to your music. Your cover of Lay Lady Lay was one of the first things I heard. I still love listening to it. I’m going to play it again now.
Dear Jedd which guitar were you playing during this session ? I find your style quite far from the usual Nashville sound but I'm not an expert. I find your way of playing much more adventurous and eerie Lots of poetry in your playing
I think improvisation comes naturally for some people. I started to improvise about the time I started playing guitar. I don't think it has a lot to do with proficiency or how good you are. Probably has more to do with creative nature, right brain vs. left brain, etc.
At 10:53 when the fiddle player said, “ I wish I could improvise…” I felt that!
Growing up playing bluegrass banjo and guitar, I was taught how to play fiddle tunes and standards, much like a jazz player would do I’m sure. The only thing is, if you improvised in the circle I was in, you didn’t get the praise or admiration like guys or girls that “played the record”.
It wasn’t until a few years ago when I picked up the guitar again seriously, that I started trying to improvise.
I’ve always thought of myself as “An imitator, but not a great creator” of music. I love listening to original compositions people like you, Buk, and Guthrie come up with.
Of course, everyone wants to learn how to play something “like the record” but I’ve been learning lately to “play like me”.
And, for what it’s worth, you don’t sound too Nashville. You sound just right man, keep it up! 👍🏻
My music teacher in college always told us to when improvising, start with the melody and stretch out from there. That’s what I’ve always tried to do.
Yes! That’s solid!! ❤
Jedd your sound is quite unique- I don't think it sounds "Nashville" or at least it has lots of other elements that differentiate it from standard country players- It's a bit darker and very dynamic with tons of lush textural detail- really amazing and nobody can quite claim your "territory" in terms of sound and taste- Cheers!
Thank you so much mate
On your comments on improvisation...I have the opposite problem, I can only improvise, playing the same thing twice is a rarity for me. Doubling a lead in the studio may be the most difficult aspect of production for me!
Jedd I pick stuff just watching you noodling keep it up mate oh and I play lay lady lay because your vid sparked my interest in that song again
I dig the Jedd sound... thanks for these videos... love watching your Tele playing and trying to get some ideas and a hint of your bending and vibrato. Cheers
Wondering if Ask Zac would have any insight as to the “too Nashville” question
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Have a good day guitar man 🎸
Great idea!
Absolutely. Find something like your bending into the turnaround, Mess with it and then 12 keys. There's a little trick I learn from it. Perhaps fingering, some new way to go from one place to another, or something rhythmic that happens.Then it kinda morphs into something else again and then I realize I've already forgotten the first lick...
I would say James Burton brought the Tele to rock.
Rage is still going mate. I still stay up all hours watching it. There are a few gems amongst the dross.
Elliott Easton, what a great player! SO underrated. The "Just What I Needed" solo is another great amalgam of guitar styles & a country nod with the double stops at the end.
Bro I’ve gotten the same comment working in CA. I went through the exact same thing wondering what that meant. I didn’t feel I was playing country necessarily. I chose to take it as a compliment. I mean seriously some of my favorite guitar players live here.🤷♂️
As far as impovising, when I was kid I never learned solos. If the the solo break played the same chord progression as the chorus or verse of a song, I just tried my best to play what the singer sung during those parts. I tried to make my guitar sound like the lyrics of the song. I guess that's how I started improvising. So even though I had a blue print (the singer) it was up to me to figure how I wanted to approach it.
Such a weird comment to make. I suspect he was applying an ism to Telecasting.
I like it. It seems…..spacial.
Room to move, room to think like on a long drive.
I really dig the Nashville sound, whatever that is.
Im 58 now and I look back to the attitude I had as a kid at 14... if you weren't Van Halen you were shit. I didn't care what genre whatever you sucked.... lol... slowly as I aged I was like... ok... this Jimmy Page guy is actually pretty good.... oh... and Eric Clapton.. he seems alright... the attitude as I was learning to play slowly started coming off... by the time I was in my 20s it was like ok .. Eddie Van Halen is great but he's not God lol.... Now at 58 I love so many kinds of music
Lookin California, but feelin Minnesota.
Howdy Jedd, iam not as prolific as you are at the guitar but I enjoy it nonetheless been playing since I was 9 or 10 and have been in bands since I was 25 and iam 65 now so I have a lot of influences roaming around in my noggin, but my point is I started with country, that morphed into the blues and that blew up into rock of all kinds, as I continue my journey I realize that all music is connected in one way or another, and I’ll be in love with it until they put me in the box, next to my family and my country it’s been my greatest joy in life. I really like your style of content you make us want to be better players. So thanks for all the help.
Her journey sounds like mine. I could learn any Chet or Jerry tune and not know a single note, chord or scale on the guitar. Just knew the rhythm of the song and memorized where I needed to be. Always had a good ear. Decent rhythm. Could learn anything I wanted to learn but had zero idea what I was actually doing.(edited to add that I used tab and notation heavily)
Played this way for over 25 years. Find a song I like. “Learn” it and move on.
Finally found Guthrie who showed me how this thing is laid out and that you can actually play what is in your head. Uncle Larry that came along and sang on this thing. Showed me you had to drum and sing and play bass on guitar. Find a grove or a melody and build from there. Then your channel comes along and it’s a culmination of what I’ve learned from the other 2 guys. Your channel gives me a lot of “I never thought of playing guitar like that” moments. “I didn’t know you could do that.”
This is all really in the last 4 years that I’ve started learning guitar for real. Now I just need to know the key of a song and I can figure it out so long as I KNOW the song. And it isn’t a crazy technical piece of course.
All that said. Improvising is still really hard for me. I’m getting better as I learn the guitar better and what leads to certain sounds I’m searching for. But I’m starting to learn that I don’t have as much to say as I wish I did. Somewhat introverted which doesn’t help. But I think that’s the battle. Learning how to come up with something interesting to say on your instrument.
Been listening to a lot of Ray Charles lately which I think is helping.😂
It was the Unforgiven 2 Jedd. I remember watching on Rage as well :)
Thanks, Jedd!
I appreciate the Buddy Miller suggestion.
Happy Tuesday
Be good to you!
Rage is still a going thing mate. I still stay up way too late watching it.
Geez, I get sick for a while and everything go's in the dumpster! LOL I hate watching videos out of order. I sent you a reply earlier that I may have changed a bit. I know a lot of country rock/country/top-10 stuff was recorded at Muscle Shoals Alabama. Fame Recording Studio, Wishbone Recording Studio, Muscle Shoals Recording Studio, and by some of the best session players of all time. Glen Campbell, The Wrecking Crew etc. They pumped out a whole lot of top-10 music/Country Music, now Country Rock down there. The Allman Brothers Band!! Your "fiddle player friend" needs to learn "the Nashville system" to x-pose keys. Unknown to me at the time, that was the first thing I learned!! LOL I can't wait for you to read what I wrote about Keith Williams (5WW), Rick Beato and his ties to Keith and I, and Rhett Schull, how all that went down, incl Buk and Gut Trapp, etc. I better catch up on the rest now. LOL 8) --gary (PS: Keith Williams, Rick Beato are from here in Rochester, Keith came back, Beato is in Atlanta.)
More of that too Nashville please!
Jedd...if you can do anything with this lyric...have at it.
She smells like heroin
Looks like roses in the rain
She'll make you come again..again and again and again
She's tiny picture frames
Filled with shadows of might have beens
She's your downfall
She's your pain
Love that MJT tele! Building one of my own right now.
If you decide to teach, I would be happy to pay to be your first experiment. Before I got into business I taught college English for a few years, I am sure I could help you think about how to frame your lessons.
I’d like to hear you & Kenny Vaughn doing something together sometime.small universe
jedd is the guyatone on in this intro
the wiggle is coming from the memory man
NOT THE TELECASTER! ❌ Too much twang, too much Nashville
I would think that you could ask Buk, Vince, GT, Brett Papa, and others, about the "Nashville Sound" comment. Part of the problem is that the Nashville sound has morphed over the years. Keep on playing and teaching us stuff.
God that intro sounds so good.
Thanks mate!
Great show Jedd! Keep ‘em comin’
Hey Jedd, I really like your ideas for where you want to take your channel and why you want to do it. Your insight and experience is really valuable, and I often grab my guitar and borrow an idea or two or just go off on my own, inspired by the vibe of what you play. BTW, I've been playing those gorgeous Wrecking Ball low voicings for a few weeks now - it's one of my favorite albums of all time and it was through Emmylou that I discovered Buddy Miller, which was a huge discovery for me. The whole YT channel thing is really cool, but it's gotta be a bit of a weird transition and adjustment for a lot of you guys like Buk, Guthrie, Justin, etc....but I'm SO glad it's happening and I'm so glad to see you all succeeding with it. Roll with it :) and thank you!
Ah mate thank you so much for saying that!. I just wanna see my kids grow up and if this is a way to eventually grease the wheels and talk to nice folks all the time then It seems like everybody wins.
I first saw you at Station Inn when the Greencards brought you up on stage. You played about 3 songs and I thought who is this guy? You were fantastic! Don’t change a thing. I looked you up as soon as I got home. My thoughts on your LA session…why did they bring someone in from Nashville and then tell you you sounded too Nashville? Seems a little ridiculous. I think he was just trying to exert some authority. We love you here in Nashville!
Woah!!! I miss the Greencards, loved those gigs. They are still dear friends of mine but I miss hearing them. Thanks for the kind words :)
11:23 I feel like this is where I am now. At 44.😂 I’m a slow learner.
I took a piano lesson once from an accomplished choral accompanist and was shocked that she also couldn't improvise at all. Cheers Jedd!
I feel that fiddle player's pain... I'm no great player to begin with, but improvising has particularly seemed like a bridge too far...taking lessons nowadays to get some insight and direction but it definitely doesn't come naturally
Thanks for your insight, openess, sincerity and great playing. You're an inspiration brother Jedd!
I hope I can shed some kind of useful light on it down the road!
Really appreciate you tuning in mate
@@JeddHughesOfficial The gratitude is all mine, Jedd...Thanks for the reply
While we’re still on the subject I wonder if you could or would differentiate between the “Nashville” sound or style and what came out of Bakersfield California or the “Bakersfield” sound or style? Buck Owen’s/Dwight Yoakam etc. Jedd thanks for pointing out Buddy Millers album (Poison Love) I’m familiar with a lot of his albums just not that particular one! Psyched to check it out!
The Lingo ate my baby!
Hahahahahahaha
at 1:30 I wish the bends would have stayed home.
Bends are sublime Jedi !!
I enjoyed this very much. Very generous, thank-you. It's terrific to see you looking and sounding so happy and healthy. Cheers.
Thank you Tim! Appreciate that mate
Improv is my only thing because I am terrible at memorizing sequences. I know the structures and sounds. Songs are cool, but my brain doesn’t hold them for some reason.
Same with me, I am rubbish at remembering whole songs. I have known a few people who say they can’t improvise. Usually they have been from a strict classical background. I have always attributed it to being forced to just read/play the notes off the page by their teacher. I think because I was so into jazz when I was younger I didn’t consider improvisation as anything different. Not that I knew what I was doing or was any good,but I tried 😂
It's stock frets on your all part/lindy fralin neck telecaster ?
yes but Im not totally sold on them, i think im gonna go slightly flatter and wider
@@JeddHughesOfficial little bit thin for me
Your playing style is smooth and tasteful.