Big Moves This Summer for the Knicks Despite Randle’s Injury? | The Bill Simmons Podcast
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- Опубліковано 14 лип 2024
- The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Sean Fennessey and Howard Beck to discuss the Julius Randle injury and whether the Knicks will make some big moves this summer.
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Fennessey being called in any time there’s a New York sports tragedy is like a meme now
Bill is more incredulous with Knicks then L A. L A he insults but NY he ignores and is passive aggressive towards Fennessy which is the real sign of hatred.
No one claims him or the Latino Knicks sell out that use to work there, nor Stephen A
@Righteous210 Nobody outside of NYC thinks the Knicks were going to do anything. Their ceiling always was a 2nd round playoff exit.
@Righteous210 there's few things more annoying to me now as a Knicks fan than Bill and the other Boston fans who work at the Ringer and their smug superiority about the Celtics and condescending attitude they have towards the Knicks. The smugness is fitting because Boston had the most wins in the NBA this season and in years where the Knicks sucked, I would have been more passive about it. But all I see Boston now is an impediment to us getting a championship, so I'm rooting hard for them to get kicked in the teeth this playoffs and take them down a notch.
How is Fennessey in 240p in 2024
hahaha, sounds amazing though. i almost prefer 240p video with 320Kbps audio
Those OG injuries are never going away. He's always, always, a moment away from being out for weeks. That's why he isn't in Toronto anymore.
That’s an obvious sign OG doesn’t like to play for Toronto
The Knicks got Brunson on the deal of a lifetime after the Mavs completely whiffed in 2022, then fleeced a couple of teams at the deadline to get Anunoby and Bogdanovic, and they still have a war chest of draft picks. I’m sorry that Randle got hurt but I by no means feel sorry for the Knicks.
Whiffed ? Knicks and Brunson was a deal made before free agency started regardless of money offered
@@HomieNathan1387yea they wiffed. They could’ve had Jalen for like 10/year and never hit Brunson and his team back
@@HomieNathan1387 The Mavs had opportunities to extend him before he hit free agency. They whiffed multiple times in the worst way. IMO letting Brunson walk for nothing should have been grounds to fire Nico. The Mavs roster is just now starting to recover from that colossal mistake.
If you let a talent like Brunson walk for nothing in the NBA, you WHIFFED.
@@mattrider2669 was walking to Knicks regardless
Always love The Ringer's recaps. I predict Knicks will NOT make big moves this summer. We all want to see what this team can be at full strength. Let's go Knicks !!!!
I didn’t think the Knicks were a serious contender even with randle, however I did think they could potentially be a sleeper to crack the conference finals depending on who they played
The Knicks were clearly the 2nd best team in the east with randle. I genuinely believe they beat Boston just because this Boston team has a bottle in them where as the Knicks to me don’t.
@@mattytorley I’m not sure they were “clearly” the 2nd best team in the east considering their record against +.500 teams was less than stellar. They would’ve been a tough matchup for Boston but they wouldn’t beat them. Probs would’ve been a 6-7 game series tho
@@hoopsfan3577the above .500 record is not a good indicator. Totally different team after the OG trade
@@hoopsfan3577lol 15-2 or something like that was there record when the team was healthy
@@Regdollaz456 regular season success doesn’t always translate to postseason success. Their inability to produce enough scoring in the half court will prove to be their demise. Historically, outside of Steph, having your best player being and undersized guard has never been a recipe for going deep in the playoffs
Love OG but making him the highest paid player on the Knicks would be insane.
Yea 2 yr deal with $60m with a player option for third is ideal. Anything more than that is too much to risk.
@@liferealgoodI’m assuming he’s gonna want years. But 30 a year in todays market would be fair IMO
@@liferealgood He definitely wants more.
@@Braktoothhe can want alot but finding someone on the market to give it to him is the question. Highly unlikely he gets $40m a year on the market. There’s really only SA and PHI with that much space going into the offseason. Plus you have to have a need for his position to pay him that much.
The Knicks are going to regret giving Anunoby 40M a year. He has played less then 50 games 3 out of the last 4 seasons and has only played more then 70 games once and that was his rookie season. Great player but that does not matter if he is injuried every single year.
Thats why he fell in the draft
As a looong suffering Knicks fan was waiting for the kick to the nuts and here we are...
Why does Fennessey sound like Seinfeld when he gets excited?
Whatsss the deal withhh that??
From Jan. 1 to 27, the Knicks went 12-2 with Randle and OG playing together. Mitchell Robinson was still hurt at that time so never played with those two.
Imagine a market/brand being irrelevant two decades and still having us so hyped. Love Knicks. Real basketball 💪🏀
Shout to Bill for doing this. I think Knicks are the most interesting team going into the summer. So much meat on the bone. Do they get a superstar? Do they run it back? Do they go after Bridges or Caruso more Thibs type of guys. Cap
Space and smart front office. Or do the Knicks just Knick?
As long as the Nets, Jets and Mets are still here, Knicks will never be the 'sad sack of the NY sports teams'.
Brunson is a Substantially better offensive player then peak I.T
Fennessey Hive check in
Knicks have had a brilliant year in the front office. Whether or not they win a playoff series, they are set up to be really good for awhile.
I'm not a Knicks fan but it definitely seems as if they've been right behind the Celtics as far as team building has gone over the last season. I know that the Pacers have had talks with Pascal Siakim and probably think that they're going to sign him but I'm wondering how he would fit on to the Knicks if they were able to secure him? Also would Markkenen be a decent fit there? I'm not sure if they'd be looking at another forward or another guard to go with Brunson? My guess is a second forward to go with Julius Randle???
Markkenen would be great, the pascal fit isn't really there unless we trade Ju
Jalen Brunson makes me want to watch the Knicks. 🤷🏻♂️👍🏻
Even if fully healthy, I don’t know if this team had enough to beat the Celtics in a seven game series. Knicks still have a lot of things to work out:
1. Randle is gonna be 30 with an ankle injury (last post season) & now the shoulder injury this season. Both required surgery. His minutes next season? His worth?
2. OG Anunoby wants his bag. 💰 How much and still gotta get the space to add a major piece.
3. Hartenstein or Mitchell Robinson? I-Hart is a free agent.
4. Need a back up for Brunson. Knicks can never address the PG position unless they are violating league rules.
5. Who is the major piece next season? Those assets have an expiration date. 📅 I don’t see teams giving up stars like they used to.
OG definitely lookin for a big, big bag
this might be the last chance for a big deal
I really respect what the Knicks are doing and where they’re going, but I still feel like at the end of the day they are a legit superstar away from being serious contenders for the championship. Jalen Brunson is an undeniable star but I still feel like on an ideal contender, he’s more of a 2nd guy than the 1st guy. Undersized great point guards don’t take teams to championships unless you’re Detroit Pistons Isiah Thomas or Stephen Curry
Doesnt look like its going to happen, but I'd love to see another Pacers Knicks series. One of the best rivalries of the 90's revisited.
Best 3 week stretch since Linsanity....
No wonder Melo popped up last month talmbout how the Nuggets purposely gave a late second rounder #15 because they knew that second rounder would eventually become the greatest big man since Shaq.
These guys thinking America is racist is insane.... they think they'd be rich anywhere else except America is just wild.
If I'm the knicks booker would be the only major star I would want to get at this point.There's no other elite wings looking available anytime soon and booker would be a great fit
Divincenzo, Hart, McBride, and Robinson are locked under contract. OG is going to stay and get paid, hopefully not for too much. Only question is if Hartenstein is willing to take a little less than he can probably get in free agency. Bridges really is the missing piece and if the Knicks need to overpay for him then they should, cause that puts them right there with Boston
Donte has always been good but injuries have kept him from playing enough ball to show it. Look at his history, first year major injury, second year, etc. Those are the receipts.
is that lin manuel miranda
National Media Knicks Fans don't want Donovan Mitchell
It's 2024 Bill time to pay someone to teach you how to upload these in better quality 🤣
Darkhorse: I can see Charlotte taking a swing and letting go of Lamelo to Brooklyn for Bridges and build around Mikal Miles and Miller
Shite news! I’m a big Julius randle fan plus it is cool to see the knicks good again now they have an undeniable ceiling
"They are missing Randle"
Why is he saying it like it is a surprise? You think a team will miss their best player nornally
He ain’t their best player. At least not anymore but also doesn’t mean he sucks. If healthy they could’ve been the second best team in the east
@@christopherwilliams2351 This would've been a deep team with everyone there. That said, not sure how or if Thibs would divvy up the minutes.
@@christopherwilliams2351 randle is trash
Not a Knicks fan but they've got a good future. They've always been up there with Lakers as THE prime free agent destination but management always fucked everything up. But now for the first time in like 30 years they have competent management....and NY is still NY as a place players want to go. They'll be fine.
good lord. looks like an upload from 2001 lol
Booker isn’t leaving Phoenix. He is that franchise
Knicks being relevant for a month or 2 regarding title contention is a step up. I will take it in they now have a top 20 player. They have a culture. Can they find another superstar who will buy in? Then Title contenders they are.
As a non Knicks fan I can say easily this season Brunson was a top 15 guy no question, he will make 2nd team all nba and clearly was a top 20 guy minimum
@@Cultivated. well thank you for your league assessment. Could you name who Brunson is ahead of that he wasn’t a year ago?
@@Righteous210
I mean put the names forth but like this season he was better than Dono, Booker, Trae, Dame, and I’m just thinking of similar ball handling smaller guards, but there’s no debate he’s been better than those guys including play time and stats and eye test, it’s just not debatable
@@Cultivated. no debate that Brunson is better than Booker. Who is Dono? Do you watch basketball or just a troll?
I don't wanna say there's a big amount of people like this, but there is a lot of people who don't swear allegiance to the Knicks or Nets and just root for both (or lean towards one but root for both), because we as New Yorkers, want NY Sports to succeed. It doesn't matter who, New Yorkers want to win. So sometimes when people perpetrate that there's a divide between the two when they're not from NY is funny to me
If both teams were doing well, you'd see both fanbases happy - the Nets not being a good team is the same as any other team that's not doing well, it's not representative of the Knicks having a more dominant fanbase
WHAT?!! You obviously are not from NY. What planet are you from? For the Mets -Yanks this does not apply. Rangers-Devils. Knicks-Nets. What are you talking about?
Remember Quickley ? All the attention to that mid player went out of the window the moment he left New York lol
He plays for a tanking Toronto team that doesn't get much attention even when they're good
The Raptors are tanking, but Quickley has played well for the Raptors and is a great fit next to Barnes.
I think he’s been playing pretty good for the raptors
You haven’t been watching basketball lol. Quick is still good, just no room for him with Brunson. Rj has been balling out of his mind too.
RJ Barrett has been the surprise of the trade. I was pretty low on him but he has been great as a Raptor. 21/6/4 on 56/43/60. The FT shooting is obviously UGLY but other then that he has looked like a different player then he was on the Knicks. Still needs to improve as a defender and stop bricking free throws though.
Who manages this terrible video quality?
Congratulations Knicks fans! You were good for 3-4 weeks!
Are still good and are only getting more healthy
Our franchise better than yours right now and moving into the future so keep hating.
@@deadvedev3817 dang you are so insecure 😂 i said congrats lil bro where do you see hating?
@@Bobbleheads56 you can troll better than this bro
@@biggeneral1628 seems to be working so far lil bro
At no time ever have the Knicks been title contenders, Maybe once during Ewing but not in about 25 yrs. They're not talented enough just enjoy being a top-4 team in the east
I say trade randle & picks & anything else or mikal bridge & Mitchell in a 3 team trade
Anunoby is not a #3 his offense is not good enough to be a 3 hes a 4 at best....elite 3 and D but hes not a 3...
Only way mikal gets to the Knicks is if he forces the trade and says he will only resign with the Knicks. If Knicks get booker because of his relationship with Leon rose , it’s Celtics Knicks ECF for the next 5 years
Bronny James and his daddy will be in NYC as Knicks next season
Under 3 min for a Celtics mention and over confidence, Bill in post season form.
Who would the Knicks have beat in a playoff series?
Gotta get rid of Thibs. Even if everyone remains healthy, he'll run them into the ground by the time the playoffs arrive. Healthy they are a contender, though.
Getting Robinson back is huge for them.
The knick are good. You gotta relax
Nets fan. The idea that the Nets are going to trade Bridges to the Knicks is utterly asinine. The Nets think of him as a legitimate number one guy (which they're wrong on). There's a ton of reports of them turning down offers for him. But now, they're going to suddenly not only trade him, but to the Knicks?! What are they getting from the Knicks that's so special?
Not paying OG would be the most moronic thing ever and worrying about his contract number is casual behaviour like when stupid people was questioning the Jalen Brown potential extension.
How is that extension looking now?
Why overthink everything? He makes you a contender if you upgrade Randle. You pay for that and thats about it
Brunson will be the NY ultimate downfall, way too small, and baiting is, and will go down significantly in seasons to come. No finals with him as a first, or second opinion.
And him and Spida would make Thibs die from heart attack in one season, both bad to horrible on D.
Just like Trae in Atlanta.
If the the nets really turned down 4 or 5 first round pics for bridges they're crazy.
James Dolan gets smoked again.
Man.... that shit sticks, he's never done anything right?
Recording is a day old and alot if these convos we have answers for
Trading Bridges doesn't make any sense for Brooklyn because they don't control their own picks for several years and thus have no incentive to tank. Adding a pick in the 15-25 range for a couple of years isn't going to make a difference at all. It's simply more valuable for them to try keep him and stay competitive enough to either attract a big name in free agency or until they get to the point where control their own picks and thus have incentive to tank, THEN trade him and commit to the tank. It's a bad situation to be in, but commiting to being a bottom-5 team to gain a mid-first pick is completely illogical
Knicks should go after Miles Bridges.
Bill right on about Phoenix
It’s getting blown up in a year
I hate when people speak of Knick fans as if they’ve heard from all of us. Jalen Brunson is nowhere near as meaningful to me as Patrick Ewing. Absolute exaggeration and hyperbole.
They should have traded for Siakum instead of the Pacers
Bring on Sean only when the jets or Knicks have terrible news, meanwhile Sean actually knows film but bill just keeps doing mid dad movies for the rewatchables, Bill is a troll.
Randle is a playoff bust no loss
"Hart Foundation?" Geez man. It's the "American Hart Association" (AHA). That's the name of the real organization.
Knicks werent going to do anything even with Randle. This will just give them excuses going into next year.
At least your not Pistons fans. Tom Gores has destroyed that franchise since buying team in 08.
Unless divencenzo becomes steph curry…magic in 6
We went 14-2 in January. We’ll be healthy next year. I’m not feeling this doom and gloom mentality. Y’all talk like the franchise is still ran by Isaiah Thomas.
Knciks fans with all the bad luck in the world? Whats new!?
Bring back Marcus Morris Jr get rid of Randall
Wonder if Mikal Bridges to the Pacers for a Mathurin/Walker package would interest either team
I think Paul George ends up on the Knicks. He still hasn’t signed a contract extension and that Clippers team is going nowhere in the playoffs. He’s the kind of two-way player that would thrive under Thibodeau. Injuries are a concern, but if the Knicks want to swing for the fences for the next 1-2 seasons, PG makes sense.
It's hilarious people still drag Rodgers when he was clearly right
They gotta keep the proles in line.
About what? Lol
About the Jets being a clown show due to outside interference. Just left out he’s some of the main part of the clown show
At this point in his career Anunoby is who he is. I think it's fair to say if you get 60 games out of him you're jumping for joy. Having him at full strength and available for a playoff run will never be a given and can easily derail any playoff run at any time. The Knicks were praised based on early results but the nature of the Anunoby deal was always a huge gamble.
Does that mean the doctors mistreated his injury? 🤔
Watch LeBron go to the Knicks.
R person!
@@Edd-zd5wb At least don't censor yourself if you're going to insult me for what is a mild hot take of a comment.
The knicks are a legit 2 guard away from making the finals (when healthy).
Move Mikal for
Cason Wallace
Josh Giddey
3 1st rounders
f the mets
I hate when yt basketball fans get together and think they speak for all basketball fans Melo was that guy in New York
Melo ruined everything for 10 years.
Overrated selfish ballhog that refused to play defense.
So happy to see that type of player out of the League for good
@@Edd-zd5wbYou’re an idiot. The Knicks had their most winning season in 20 years when Melo was here and the front office was the one ruining the team
Exactly
Melo basically accomplished zero in New York… one single playoff series win
Bill smug as if the Celtics won more than 1 title in 40 years
I hate the Celtics but what have the Knicks won in 50 years? Or even just this millennium
I'll take the constant playoff teams over the dogs hit Knicks and nets.
I fucking hate the Celtics, but dude, they are at least relevant, Knicks haven’t been really relevant for 20 years
Is this guys really speaking out and acting like his thoughts are of those of the “fans”. Cowardly reporting
Oh the liberal New Englander "I'm smarter than you" mindset l, even though it's completely unwarranted
Trade randle + bogdonovic + young guys + 4 picks for embiid
This team, even if fully healthy is a borderline ECF team, they wont be pushing for a ring with this roster
Brunson is a role player this needs to stop
Do you watch the Knicks?
@@RellSpeaks96 OP doesn't watch the knicks
dude 100% passes the eye test and the TV test
Brunson is top 15.
Excellent troll comment.
Knicks will make the ECF without Randle, trade for Donovon Mitchell this summer, and win it all in 2025 (and then again before 2030).
Howard Beck speaks with a confidence that really covers up his consistently bad takes. Guy hates the in-season tournament, and would rather have the Nets’ package of Sun’s picks rather than the Rockets’ package of Nets picks. He even said he’d rather be the Nets than the Pistons or Hornets going forward. To me that’s insane when you consider all the young talent those two teams have and the total lack of young talent in Brooklyn.
Just look at the 10 worst teams in the league. Every single one should be noticeably better next season except for Washington and Portland. A bunch are set to make a Rockets type leap. The Nets…are not. They could easily be a bottom 5 team next year (down from 9th this year). Memphis is definitely passing them. Utah and Toronto probably are. Detroit and Charlotte MIGHT. Brooklyn is in real trouble. They basically have one out: Donovan Mitchell. And it remains to be seen if his New York obsession extends to Brooklyn.
Beck argues they have assets to trade which is why their Suns picks will be better than the Rockets owned Nets picks. 1) If it goes down like that, Phoenix is going to get significantly more assets from trading off Booker and KD than the Nets would Bridges and Thomas. 2) If the nets trade Bridges, they aren’t getting back players that make them better. They’re getting young guys and or picks.