To be fair flats is for high elo and this is for metal ranks. Although junk s tier is a wild pick when he’s map dependent I think A tier for metal ranks makes more sense
@@AdamX1124 honestly I've always hated the tier list standards of just using letter rankings because it's terribly inefficient. Tiers should be things like "Meta Defining", "Weak to counters", "Map dependent", and "specialists only". Trying to force these kinds of generic power rankings only works on a MUCH simpler game. There's just too many moving parts to simplify it like this.
JR has been an easy pick for me in Gold/Plat tier. Likely at Flat's tier he's not effective because people can aim at heads. Just shows that tier of game you're in really matters. And honestly a lot of people should consider that when going on about "best" "worst" xyz in game.
You should be aggressive and proactive midfight with your trap unless you're defending a point and need an alert/alarm to monitor side pathways that aren't always the easiest to keep eyes on- 2cp/assault maps were often the best application for this....
True but all around, if they run a speed boost comp, I noticed less traps being useless/ destroyed. May change over time but for now... it's hunting season lol
As a 2000+ hour junkrat main… he’s in a good position. He’s not great since he’s easily hard countered, but he’s definitely doing better this season than the last few. The health change is what really made him perform better. More targets he can 1 shot combo again.
I'm not agreeing much with this take, but the best thing about tier lists and meta picks is that they are an expression of the creator PoV and having more of those helps to find what hero suits you better. One thing I must say tho... OMG that Junkrat reel on Anubis at the end of the video. If I were to find me against a rat like that I would probably log out of OW and go play Lego LotR... GG mate, that was really impressive.
I got to say I’m really loving Juno and she’s definitely going to be another hero being added to my long laundry list of “mains”. Playing with her really reminds me of playing with Bap. I haven’t had this much fun with a hero in a hot minute. I think once time goes by, Juno will be one of the supports I play the most alongside Bap, Moira, and Lifeweaver. Also this is the first time in years where I love playing as support because of the new support that’s out at the time. Last time I had this much fun as support was when Brig first came out. If you know, you know.
Playing DPS feels horrible right now. Actually securing Elims is a fucking nightmare. Never in the past wouls I deal 20,000 damage for just ten Elims, and that's NOT just Tank-spam damage either. The mobility and Invulns are just absurd right now
Love how you said hog is in a bad state because as a hog main I feel that and yet if you win the first fight 3 players are counter picking you. Also not sure if it’s the MMR reset but I’ve lived in Gold 1-2 since OW came out but now I’ve been living in Plat 3
I always enjoy your tier lists, they are super informative. One thing I would like to see though, if you could show gameplay with each character as you talk about them, rather than just the few characters you show, while speaking about everyone. That would make these even better! Thanks for the hard work!
@hkeister1980 good luck.... as an og ow'er who still loves to play, always remember that the dude abides....and randomize the meta out of the equation by embracing the way of the mischievous merciless mystery world, if they could just bring back mystery comp it'd be beyond reproach...
They've basically turned supports in to weak dps. There's almost no point in trying to heal in the current meta, just deal damage and get kills. I'm sure some people like that, but as a support main I almost feel like there's no point in playing support any more. Might as well just go full dps.
I'm a Reaper OT (masters this season, GM last season) for a while after this season's HP nerf reaper for sure poses more of a threat flanking which also means dive is better. Making Reaper a solid choice. But that doesn't mean you can always do well on reaper this season. Trust me if they want you dead they can if they got DVA best choice is to swap or focus them down. Dva disables your kit and aggression so best you don't try unless you believe she can't
Calling junkrat S tier has to be with all due respect, the most dumb call I have ever seen. Junk is c tier on mid to high ranks. Could be made and argument for b on a couple maps. And in low ranks he is even worse. He can clutch here and there, but the momment the enemy swaps you are not living specialy in metal ranks. You are making the supposition that they can deal with flyers, which ppl in lowranks definetly can't do. That they won't feed into the multiple zaryas on low ranks. To even more examples. The junkrat spam change made it worse in his maps while more usable in general with more skill expresion and less randomness, which means its even more innefective in lower ranks, which, props to the dev team on that one. I can see where you are comming from but the argument quickly starts to fall over the more you think about it
Heads up, mobility class heros are actually just food for venture. I would easily put Venture in S tier because of the fact that you can Shot Drill Shot a mobility hero, plus with the 110 emerge from burrow and youre eating real well
I love faster paced metas as its definitely my tempo. As a Bap main, I'm having a blast playing with Reins As a Winston main, the Juno speed boost is amazing and her ranged support feels great As an Echo main, the prevalence of Juno, Bap and Ana is kinda annoying but it's not TERRIBLE
personally think sombra is s tier right now! the value of just getting people to turn around is insane much less if they ignore her she can easily pick apart your entire team solo in 45 seconds!
Genji is high skill hero. Blizzard doesn’t want high skill heros to be good. They want ez mode characters like junk moira reaper to be good to get people to play. There’s no team base to this game anymore. It’s just pick an ez character and win.
@@hkeister1980 Yes and no? Of course you need low skill heroes for the game to function, and what heroes are good is completly dependent on what rank your in. In the metal ranks of course easier charachters will dominate, many players dont have mechanical skills (aim/timing) but in higher elos its more about positioning because everyone has good aim. There is nothing wrong in having a easy charachter be good, it gives a point to having low skill heroes but boiling the entire game to "Pick Easy charachter = win" is literaly a skill issue of the highest calibur.
@@Altsncro so you think having a flanking Moria who holds one button and has ez maneuvers and can out duel a lot of other characters and never plays with your team is good for the game? That’s my gripe. You have people who just come into comp who don’t really care about team play just play for stats . Tell me that’s healthy
@@hkeister1980this trend started from the beginning preparation for selling the company, they were doing everything to inflate their player numbers leading up to it by chasing the most basic mindless cod/fort point (ish, not too much pointing or itd be a turnoff....) click disregard teammates and objectives that even your friends little cousin who afe way too many paint chips during the first decade of his life when his bedroom was closest to the osha forgotten antiquated power station that had long lost the protective safety shielding on the equipment to the point that his parents got a payoff to drop litigation but they had the genius plan to invest it all in dollar scratch offs and ebay beanie babies circa 2009 because "they are due for a huge comeback" can button smash his waterproof controller (a necessity to handle copious ever present drooling) his way to guaranteed endorphin juicing feedback from the game....
Those torpedoes need a lock on indicator for the targets. If a target is low its almost a guaranteed elim. As easy as it is for her to take an angle, i dont think she should have an auto aim ability without a some kind of limitation besides maybe los'ing it.
There is an indicator, although small. If you’re being targeted you’ll hear a beeping sound like you’d imagine a plane locking on with a missile would make
If the enemy is playing Juno, I put monkey at the top of the tanks. Just based on experience, it seems like people (at least in plat) have forgotten how to shoot the monkey? and with juno you either save both your speed boosts to escape the monkey or you're dead on arrival. Also juno's guns might do great damage against squishies, but against armor you might as well not even be shooting, which makes both monkey and ram a total nightmare, DVa too but so many people even as high as plat play dva like she was reinhardt so it's not as difficult, but if you're up against one of the few that know how and when to dive it's baaad.
It’s not that they forgot how to shoot monkey it’s that monkey is ridiculously tacky right now with the armor changes and hp changes make him even better
Juno feels so bad, i mean shes better than zen purely because of the meta shape, but her only 'utility' ability being on a 15 second cooldown feels way to long especially on a character that is designed to be a 'go-go-go!' type. Her shots also just feel a bit too undercooked. I think this would be fixed if they brought the higher fire rate back though.
Junk and Hog are only high tier if you hit your shots and hooks guys. Reason most high tier guys rate them either low or skill picks is because the current meta is soo fast that if you dont have those skills then u will die easy with them
Was the time to kill not meant to be shortened? Like S9 changes were due to the hit box changes, more shots hit, more damage done, so they needed to make sure those changes wouldn’t be too busted. People didn’t want longer time to kill lmfao.
I find it hilarious that you say lucio was highly picked because of his "speed boost". Sure at the top level, masters and top500, lucio's speed boost Can be massive. But overall? on the whole comp scale? Anyone below plat was picking lucio because 1) his aura heal made it easy to farm "healing done" stats so people rarely flamed the lucio supports. 2) because his aura is passive, you can continue shooting enemies the entire round which is the fun part in overwatch (for some people). and 3) because of wallriding which is a very high ceiling skill expression that a lot of players like, and lucio's boop because a lot of players are enamored with throwing people to a hole. Saying lucio was picked because of the speed boost seems naive to me, you Have to know that low ranked players didn't use speedboost in any meaningful way for many years, I see it more in OW2 now but during OW1? I remember spending entire GAMES with lucio's that exclusively used their speedboost only to get from the base to the point and never again-- and some of them didn't even do that much.
Hey I finally hit top 500 playing jq only can confirm she’s absolutely nasty against anyone just make sure against zarya don’t shoot the fing bubble if so playing speed as if she can’t hit to much
As the seasons go on i see more and more that either blade or genji himself needs a rework. The only meta he was good in was early ow2 and they sent him to the shadow realm, never been seen since
Hog is good, you can one shoot 225 hp heroes with only the hook melee combo, you don't need the pen so you can save it. You have to play to deny an area, and get good with hooking fast heroes, juno and lucio don't have the DPS to burst a hog.
As a Lucio main, I find myself actually flexing more to Brig, Kiri, or Bap than I like playing ladder. The reason for this is people simply don't do what I want them to do when I'm amping speed to engage or disengage. This is even doubly so since falling from grace and getting stuck in the metal ranks with my placements. People down that low will stand there trying to fight a 2v5 instead of pulling back to regroup. However, what I'm finding with Juno is people are tending to understand what the ring means and engaging or disengaging appropriately for the most part. I don't know if it's the visual indicator or what but I'm finding more success controlling teams that aren't in comms with Juno 🤷♂️.
In metal ranks and lower, no one uses Lucio to his max potential with his speed boost ie his teammates. This has been a problem since the dawn of time, Ow1
Zenyatta feels like the worst hero in the game atm. Raidboss tanks with mobility that just look at you and you die + too many easy to play flankers that are really powerful atm. And while you don't get flanked or tanked on, you RNG volley around at max range, hoping for the best.
Good job Blizzard with the patches! the only problem is that YOU shouldn't buff all that's FREE! NERF TORB ARMOUR, revert Juno's Auto aim DMG back! She gets MORE free Ult charge for JUST USING a non skilled ability -_- Nerf Baptiste and Kiriko DMG a little too pls!!! KIRIKO is the best 1v1 duelist!!! WHY is a support hero THE best duelist and not a DPS??? ALSO nerf tanks primary click by 8-10% DMG PLS! TANK role has become to significant! Venture is also a highly mobile hero so why does he still have 250HP??? He also generates Shield. Venture's DMG is also too high, he can one shit any 225 HP hero so he should also receive a small nerf!!!
The reduced health in S12 was such a bad idea. It has made the game play so much worse. The burst dmg is crazy high and then they reduce our health? Come on.
NAH juno is kinda meh i rather have a ana or mercy even moira(massive heals) for my main support and rather have a lucio or brig for the utility her ult is so long to charge and its the worse support ult in the game its mercy ult but with a limited aoe and its moves on its own at least mercy got res
Anyone knows whats up with the new profile/level icons!? Mine, and seemingly almost everyones, got switched out to a golden one?????? Cant seem to find anybody talking about it at all???
I mostly agree except support tier list. I think juno, lucio and brig s tier. Ana close. Illari might still be S but not sure after the nerf. Bap is meh. Moira is bad. Kiriko is a throw pick most of the time. Sup playerbase just not good at her. Mercy is a very strong pick most of the time because sup players are bad and people don't shoot mercy in lower ranks. Moira and Zen trash. In tank tier list, Winston is also S tier. Ram and Orisa B. Hog is weird this season. Meta is not good for him but he is good in his own way. Easier to one shot. Cyx for example puts him in above average. As a hog player, i feel good about hog but his winrate very bad. I think Mauga is the worst tank. Dva and Rein extremely overtuned. Dva is like release Brig. Very embarassing balance from devs. DPS tier list on point. I don't remember last time i played Reaper and Junk but this season i play these 2 a lot and have massive winrate. You underestimate the Genji. Heroes like Genji and Doomfist are fundamentally broken. They are except from game's meta. He is 7th in pickrate and winrate, maintaining above average winrate. Soj is overrated. Definitely strong but his strengths mostly comes from how easy and forgiving it's to play her. Even easier than Torb. You never die on this hero. The value you create is the hard part. They need to nerf dva, rein, jq and winston. Especially Dva and Rein because they are way more accessible. These 2 hurts the game.
I’m a Junkrat main with over 900 hours on the character. I’m a masters player and even I know junk is not S tier. I realize I’m not the “average player” but I also realize that aiming with Junk takes a lot more skill than people realize. Especially if you’re trying to take out a flying Juno, pharah, echo, etc. in my games I’ve been seeing a TON of sombras and literally only DVA with the rare Rein. Junk is great into a Rein. But any decent DVA knows to target Junk immediately 😂
So glad they nerfed dive even though I played a total of 15 games last night and all team comps are dive. Great work blizzard you've done nothing at all again🙃
what Is the point of shieldshealth anymore. before It could degenerate HP but now everyone does It but having armor stats Is way more Better. Dva Rein RAM are Just Better in tanking and dva Is also e hg squishy killer
I keep checking for news about lead hero designer and balance team getting fired but still none. I won't buy any activision product until this happens.
Fuck, junkrat metas are the worst. Spamming corners and killing random people with nuclear bomb sized hitboxes you can't avoid should be punished, not rewarded. A high mobility hero like junkrat should have gotten that hp nerf.
JUNKRAT IS NOT A HIGH MOBILITY HERO. He has the worst mobility of the entire "get close to profit" characters and its not even close. Genji, reaper, venture, tracer among others are lightyears better in terms on mobility than junkrat and his highly predictable mines Also, he is not even close to meta atm, it might work on a few maps on lower ranks but that is bc of how dumb ppl are there not on the character itself. Go out of gold abd the character gets rolled to no end if you are not good at him
I played over 200 hours with junk ratings, one of my favorite characters. Once you actually learn how to play him, spamming corners is the least impactful thing you can do. It is annoying to play against but once you actually learn how to play him, you kind of just instinctively. Just dodge all the bombs regardless. He is not a very good character just about everything in the game counters him. If he sneaks up on you then go somewhere where he won't sneak up on you. Same thing with Sombra. In some cases he can have high mobility but the majority of the time it's about the same as sojourn. Also junkrat is what happens when you corner a rat It fights back so giving him less health would make him stronger. Here are some helpful tips to beat him. If you are playing tank do not play Reinhardt, Mauga, Doomfist, Winston , Roadhog wrecking ball. If you were playing DPS do not play Reaper Mai Bastion Tracer Sombra Hanzo widow Genji symmetra. For support, do not play Mercy Ana Bridgette Zenyatta Lucio Moira Kiriko. The reasoning for the choices of the characters I say not to play into junkrat is because one the character wants to be up close or two. The character does not move very much or the third option people have way too much faith in the character. They're playing and get sloppy and try to 1v1 junkrat. For tank for the best options are the ones that can stop projectile Shields or divas defense matrix. Orisa's javelin spin. For DPS, it's anything that can literally keep distance away fly or in some cases venture torb have enough burst damage that they're able to keep junkrat at Bay or kill them outright. The best thing to play for support is Baptiste Illari LifeWeaver. Baptist has three health bars. Illari can literally just boop junkrat away and heal and for the case of LifeWeaver he has high health high bursts damage and is pretty scary this season.
The characters that are not listed for what I said are the ones that just give me more issues than it's worth going after them. So avoid the listing characters then you shouldn't really have any problems with junkrat. Also learn how to play junkrat makes it easier to play against junkrat. Same thing with anything really. But yes the final thing is this is not to harm you. This was not to hurt you. This is me trying to be helpful. I wish you no harm. You are entitled to your own opinions and this is just me trying to be helpful. Live long and prosper or something I don't know.
Wait so who is this list for? You said multiple times that a hero would be good in a high rank and put them low. So this is for idk metal ranks? Diamond? Well then why are we saying that mobility rules? Ur putting character in a rank based off the fact that they are playing meta The Whole Team. When tf is the whole team going to be playing characters that work together in a low rank? When tf is there going to be a coordinated dive in a low rank? When will you have a clean team-fight in a low rank? I just feel there are conflicting reasons for characters being placed where they are. So it’s a meta tear list? A plat tearlist. Or probably gold right? If this is gold then let’s be real some of these mobility hero’s should be way lower. Gold players in my experience don’t get value from lucio ball brig n shit. Some of these are based off of meta on paper some are based off of gold. Let’s just pick like 1
Normally I agree with your takes more than anyone elses, but this tier list is wack on the support side. Bapt higher than the dive supports in a dive meta lmao
Whenever I feel like coming back to the game I take a look at the state of overwatch. Then it immediately goes away. I seriously don't understand how developers can be so fucking useless.
Seeing flats tier list a couple hours ago put Junkrat as the worst DPS in the game makes me hope to see you both on the podcast later, lol.
To be fair flats is for high elo and this is for metal ranks.
Although junk s tier is a wild pick when he’s map dependent I think A tier for metal ranks makes more sense
@@AdamX1124 honestly I've always hated the tier list standards of just using letter rankings because it's terribly inefficient. Tiers should be things like "Meta Defining", "Weak to counters", "Map dependent", and "specialists only". Trying to force these kinds of generic power rankings only works on a MUCH simpler game. There's just too many moving parts to simplify it like this.
@@joelyfish4216 it works fine imo but you just can’t call a character who is somewhat situational S tier is all.
JR has been an easy pick for me in Gold/Plat tier. Likely at Flat's tier he's not effective because people can aim at heads. Just shows that tier of game you're in really matters. And honestly a lot of people should consider that when going on about "best" "worst" xyz in game.
This is for low ranks.
I like the format of this video, where you already made the tier list instead of doing it one by one and then talking about general game theory
Nothing about the mid season update? You good?
Kinda random observation to make but with a speed boost heavy enemy team, they seem more likely to run into a junk trap for a free pick
You should be aggressive and proactive midfight with your trap unless you're defending a point and need an alert/alarm to monitor side pathways that aren't always the easiest to keep eyes on- 2cp/assault maps were often the best application for this....
True but all around, if they run a speed boost comp, I noticed less traps being useless/ destroyed. May change over time but for now... it's hunting season lol
As a 2000+ hour junkrat main… he’s in a good position. He’s not great since he’s easily hard countered, but he’s definitely doing better this season than the last few. The health change is what really made him perform better. More targets he can 1 shot combo again.
he can 1 shot combo anyone that isnt a tank bro hes so fucking overpowered. he needs to be removed from the game
@@kooz7553 ummm… no… he can’t. Anyone under 250 health yes lol. Also if he was overpowered, everyone would play him.
Jeezum dude… nearly an hour of junk every day for the last seven years!!!! That’s dedication man….
@@tristancole8158 Overwatch used to be my life lmao
before the new season I started learning to play SYMMETRA. I am doing really well this season. dont sleep.
You may wanna go see some Flankmetra videos to get some inspiration for strats 😉
I'm not agreeing much with this take, but the best thing about tier lists and meta picks is that they are an expression of the creator PoV and having more of those helps to find what hero suits you better. One thing I must say tho... OMG that Junkrat reel on Anubis at the end of the video. If I were to find me against a rat like that I would probably log out of OW and go play Lego LotR... GG mate, that was really impressive.
I got to say I’m really loving Juno and she’s definitely going to be another hero being added to my long laundry list of “mains”. Playing with her really reminds me of playing with Bap. I haven’t had this much fun with a hero in a hot minute. I think once time goes by, Juno will be one of the supports I play the most alongside Bap, Moira, and Lifeweaver. Also this is the first time in years where I love playing as support because of the new support that’s out at the time. Last time I had this much fun as support was when Brig first came out. If you know, you know.
Where is Freedo?
ikr i was looking forward to what he has to say ab the recent patch
Junk in s tier, mine nade combo is back, we cookin'
0 skill rat players 😊
Too bad you can't hit it 😂
Freedo, hope you're doing okay..
Playing DPS feels horrible right now. Actually securing Elims is a fucking nightmare. Never in the past wouls I deal 20,000 damage for just ten Elims, and that's NOT just Tank-spam damage either.
The mobility and Invulns are just absurd right now
Love how you said hog is in a bad state because as a hog main I feel that and yet if you win the first fight 3 players are counter picking you. Also not sure if it’s the MMR reset but I’ve lived in Gold 1-2 since OW came out but now I’ve been living in Plat 3
Nah you just got better.
@@chuyyou I needed these kind words, thank you random stranger on the interweb
You are so handsome and amazing
I always enjoy your tier lists, they are super informative. One thing I would like to see though, if you could show gameplay with each character as you talk about them, rather than just the few characters you show, while speaking about everyone. That would make these even better! Thanks for the hard work!
Notification for YO pops. up. I watch.
Junkrat into S and Doom as the worst dive tank… Its like they make these changes thinking of me. See ya next season
Yea I’ll be back when they do 6v6 and nerf 0 skill heros until them f blizzard
@hkeister1980 good luck....
as an og ow'er who still loves to play, always remember that the dude abides....and randomize the meta out of the equation by embracing the way of the mischievous merciless mystery world, if they could just bring back mystery comp it'd be beyond reproach...
God help genji, it's so rough piloting him
They've basically turned supports in to weak dps. There's almost no point in trying to heal in the current meta, just deal damage and get kills. I'm sure some people like that, but as a support main I almost feel like there's no point in playing support any more. Might as well just go full dps.
It’s come to a point where picking a character counters tracer
I love Freedo’s tier lists bc he is so real, like yes maybe I should play more Sojourn and Torb now! That does seem much more forgiving 🙏
Anytime dive is fun, I'm hear for it.
I'm a Reaper OT (masters this season, GM last season) for a while after this season's HP nerf reaper for sure poses more of a threat flanking which also means dive is better. Making Reaper a solid choice. But that doesn't mean you can always do well on reaper this season. Trust me if they want you dead they can if they got DVA best choice is to swap or focus them down. Dva disables your kit and aggression so best you don't try unless you believe she can't
2 weeks since last video. He must be playing warhammer.
You know dam well he ain’t playin ow
you always do the best tierlist!
Honestly Freedo, this is the best OW channel out there. Thank you for giving a shit about us gold/plats 😭
Calling junkrat S tier has to be with all due respect, the most dumb call I have ever seen. Junk is c tier on mid to high ranks. Could be made and argument for b on a couple maps.
And in low ranks he is even worse. He can clutch here and there, but the momment the enemy swaps you are not living specialy in metal ranks.
You are making the supposition that they can deal with flyers, which ppl in lowranks definetly can't do. That they won't feed into the multiple zaryas on low ranks. To even more examples.
The junkrat spam change made it worse in his maps while more usable in general with more skill expresion and less randomness, which means its even more innefective in lower ranks, which, props to the dev team on that one.
I can see where you are comming from but the argument quickly starts to fall over the more you think about it
No video in a month? That's odd for you guys
Heads up, mobility class heros are actually just food for venture. I would easily put Venture in S tier because of the fact that you can Shot Drill Shot a mobility hero, plus with the 110 emerge from burrow and youre eating real well
THANK YOU BRUH
Im sorry Spilo for watching this video but i like YourOverwatch too much
Spilo way more knowledgeable about the game.
Good thing you can watch multiple videos on UA-cam without a limit.
@@hkeister1980 yes of course (imo), but Spilo made a video about tier lists so thats why i made that comment haha
@@waitselljones8068 need a limit for ipad kids tho
you know how long ive been waiting for this...
Ive found mei good in this with trapping over extended people and slowing tracer down
I love faster paced metas as its definitely my tempo.
As a Bap main, I'm having a blast playing with Reins
As a Winston main, the Juno speed boost is amazing and her ranged support feels great
As an Echo main, the prevalence of Juno, Bap and Ana is kinda annoying but it's not TERRIBLE
I love the change in tone when justifying Junkrat as S-tier 😂
personally think sombra is s tier right now! the value of just getting people to turn around is insane much less if they ignore her she can easily pick apart your entire team solo in 45 seconds!
Genji has felt underwhelming for awhile now. I’d love to see the devs throw him a wild buff to put him in the spotlight for half a season.
Genji is high skill hero. Blizzard doesn’t want high skill heros to be good. They want ez mode characters like junk moira reaper to be good to get people to play. There’s no team base to this game anymore. It’s just pick an ez character and win.
@@hkeister1980 Yes and no? Of course you need low skill heroes for the game to function, and what heroes are good is completly dependent on what rank your in. In the metal ranks of course easier charachters will dominate, many players dont have mechanical skills (aim/timing) but in higher elos its more about positioning because everyone has good aim. There is nothing wrong in having a easy charachter be good, it gives a point to having low skill heroes but boiling the entire game to "Pick Easy charachter = win" is literaly a skill issue of the highest calibur.
@@Altsncro so you think having a flanking Moria who holds one button and has ez maneuvers and can out duel a lot of other characters and never plays with your team is good for the game? That’s my gripe. You have people who just come into comp who don’t really care about team play just play for stats . Tell me that’s healthy
@@Altsncro also unless your genji is like necros or something it’s hard to get value when 90% of the roster is a counter to you
@@hkeister1980this trend started from the beginning preparation for selling the company, they were doing everything to inflate their player numbers leading up to it by chasing the most basic mindless cod/fort point (ish, not too much pointing or itd be a turnoff....) click disregard teammates and objectives that even your friends little cousin who afe way too many paint chips during the first decade of his life when his bedroom was closest to the osha forgotten antiquated power station that had long lost the protective safety shielding on the equipment to the point that his parents got a payoff to drop litigation but they had the genius plan to invest it all in dollar scratch offs and ebay beanie babies circa 2009 because "they are due for a huge comeback" can button smash his waterproof controller (a necessity to handle copious ever present drooling) his way to guaranteed endorphin juicing feedback from the game....
Ain't no way you put Hanzo A-tier when he gets dicked on by every every other DPS and Tank being played this season.
i miss freedo so much
I just had a thought, what if for April Fools next year they remove the 75% speed boost cap and make it unlimited
Those torpedoes need a lock on indicator for the targets. If a target is low its almost a guaranteed elim. As easy as it is for her to take an angle, i dont think she should have an auto aim ability without a some kind of limitation besides maybe los'ing it.
There is an indicator, although small. If you’re being targeted you’ll hear a beeping sound like you’d imagine a plane locking on with a missile would make
@joshuaspiess3641 Yeah, I was thinking more like small red text in my hud. The audio from everything gets to be a bit much at times.
@@kielmessersmith1956a tiny red exclamation mark (mini version of Dva bomb) would go a long way.
That JQ 16:50 🤣
Average JQ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I saw a tier list orisa and Zarya in the A list, I don't know more in who I trust hahahaha
Reaper, a mobile hero that has still 300hp. He will be a menace in lower ranks.
If the enemy is playing Juno, I put monkey at the top of the tanks. Just based on experience, it seems like people (at least in plat) have forgotten how to shoot the monkey? and with juno you either save both your speed boosts to escape the monkey or you're dead on arrival. Also juno's guns might do great damage against squishies, but against armor you might as well not even be shooting, which makes both monkey and ram a total nightmare, DVa too but so many people even as high as plat play dva like she was reinhardt so it's not as difficult, but if you're up against one of the few that know how and when to dive it's baaad.
It’s not that they forgot how to shoot monkey it’s that monkey is ridiculously tacky right now with the armor changes and hp changes make him even better
Junkrat is a menace, he is easily at least an A tier
Winton is so oppressive right now. I have been winning most of my games with him
Playing Juno reminds me of playing helicopters in Battlefield.
Every gaming channel on UA-cam:
“Deadlock”
Freedo:
“No”
Until a new channel named YourDeadlock or Spirit Patron is happening 😂
Junkrat and Reinhardt in S tier can be excused by nothing else but crack cocaine
As usual, Sombra is Juno's counter, for my experience; but what doesn't she counter though
Juno feels so bad, i mean shes better than zen purely because of the meta shape, but her only 'utility' ability being on a 15 second cooldown feels way to long especially on a character that is designed to be a 'go-go-go!' type. Her shots also just feel a bit too undercooked. I think this would be fixed if they brought the higher fire rate back though.
Genji isn’t that bad, I’ve been doing quite well with him in diamond
Junk and Hog are only high tier if you hit your shots and hooks guys. Reason most high tier guys rate them either low or skill picks is because the current meta is soo fast that if you dont have those skills then u will die easy with them
Famn diva is sooooo strong she taking everybodys lunch money in this meta
Saying things as specific as “rein wins on the objective automatically objectively” is unreasonable, we dont have data for that, only data around it
Was the time to kill not meant to be shortened? Like S9 changes were due to the hit box changes, more shots hit, more damage done, so they needed to make sure those changes wouldn’t be too busted.
People didn’t want longer time to kill lmfao.
"Reaper loves speed" I always pegged him to be more of a coke guy
My boy put Junk at S tier?! Living dangerously this season. 😂
You good Freedo? We miss you!
I find it hilarious that you say lucio was highly picked because of his "speed boost".
Sure at the top level, masters and top500, lucio's speed boost Can be massive. But overall? on the whole comp scale? Anyone below plat was picking lucio because 1) his aura heal made it easy to farm "healing done" stats so people rarely flamed the lucio supports. 2) because his aura is passive, you can continue shooting enemies the entire round which is the fun part in overwatch (for some people). and 3) because of wallriding which is a very high ceiling skill expression that a lot of players like, and lucio's boop because a lot of players are enamored with throwing people to a hole.
Saying lucio was picked because of the speed boost seems naive to me, you Have to know that low ranked players didn't use speedboost in any meaningful way for many years, I see it more in OW2 now but during OW1? I remember spending entire GAMES with lucio's that exclusively used their speedboost only to get from the base to the point and never again-- and some of them didn't even do that much.
Hey I finally hit top 500 playing jq only can confirm she’s absolutely nasty against anyone just make sure against zarya don’t shoot the fing bubble if so playing speed as if she can’t hit to much
As the seasons go on i see more and more that either blade or genji himself needs a rework. The only meta he was good in was early ow2 and they sent him to the shadow realm, never been seen since
Roadhog slander this season :(
I’m afraid we aren’t doing to well this season, fellow hog player.
Hog is good, you can one shoot 225 hp heroes with only the hook melee combo, you don't need the pen so you can save it.
You have to play to deny an area, and get good with hooking fast heroes, juno and lucio don't have the DPS to burst a hog.
I see junkrat thumbnail immediately open. One junk a day keeps the doctor away.
As a Lucio main, I find myself actually flexing more to Brig, Kiri, or Bap than I like playing ladder. The reason for this is people simply don't do what I want them to do when I'm amping speed to engage or disengage. This is even doubly so since falling from grace and getting stuck in the metal ranks with my placements. People down that low will stand there trying to fight a 2v5 instead of pulling back to regroup. However, what I'm finding with Juno is people are tending to understand what the ring means and engaging or disengaging appropriately for the most part. I don't know if it's the visual indicator or what but I'm finding more success controlling teams that aren't in comms with Juno 🤷♂️.
In metal ranks and lower, no one uses Lucio to his max potential with his speed boost ie his teammates. This has been a problem since the dawn of time, Ow1
is this tier list applicable across the board? Like even for bronze and silver ?
Seeing how garbo my beloved roadhog is makes me sad 😢
Zenyatta feels like the worst hero in the game atm. Raidboss tanks with mobility that just look at you and you die + too many easy to play flankers that are really powerful atm. And while you don't get flanked or tanked on, you RNG volley around at max range, hoping for the best.
Good job Blizzard with the patches! the only problem is that YOU shouldn't buff all that's FREE! NERF TORB ARMOUR, revert Juno's Auto aim DMG back! She gets MORE free Ult charge for JUST USING a non skilled ability -_- Nerf Baptiste and Kiriko DMG a little too pls!!! KIRIKO is the best 1v1 duelist!!! WHY is a support hero THE best duelist and not a DPS??? ALSO nerf tanks primary click by 8-10% DMG PLS! TANK role has become to significant!
Venture is also a highly mobile hero so why does he still have 250HP???
He also generates Shield.
Venture's DMG is also too high, he can one shit any 225 HP hero so he should also receive a small nerf!!!
The reduced health in S12 was such a bad idea. It has made the game play so much worse. The burst dmg is crazy high and then they reduce our health? Come on.
If you’re playing a mobile hero you’re less likely to get burst down..
You realise theyre still up from the original 200hp right?
I am loving the health changes. This is the most fun I've had in a while
Sounds like you have positioning issues
@@jonathanshaw8623 you realize they still do more damage than they originally did?
NAH juno is kinda meh i rather have a ana or mercy even moira(massive heals) for my main support and
rather have a lucio or brig for the utility
her ult is so long to charge and its the worse support ult in the game its mercy ult but with a limited aoe and its moves on its own at least mercy got res
Genji is hitscan counter. No hitscans in play
Being a Genji one-trick since OW1 has been one of the most tiresome endeavors 😔
Freedo where are you? I miss you 😢
Anyone knows whats up with the new profile/level icons!? Mine, and seemingly almost everyones, got switched out to a golden one?????? Cant seem to find anybody talking about it at all???
I mostly agree except support tier list. I think juno, lucio and brig s tier. Ana close. Illari might still be S but not sure after the nerf. Bap is meh. Moira is bad. Kiriko is a throw pick most of the time. Sup playerbase just not good at her. Mercy is a very strong pick most of the time because sup players are bad and people don't shoot mercy in lower ranks. Moira and Zen trash. In tank tier list, Winston is also S tier. Ram and Orisa B. Hog is weird this season. Meta is not good for him but he is good in his own way. Easier to one shot. Cyx for example puts him in above average. As a hog player, i feel good about hog but his winrate very bad. I think Mauga is the worst tank. Dva and Rein extremely overtuned. Dva is like release Brig. Very embarassing balance from devs. DPS tier list on point. I don't remember last time i played Reaper and Junk but this season i play these 2 a lot and have massive winrate. You underestimate the Genji. Heroes like Genji and Doomfist are fundamentally broken. They are except from game's meta. He is 7th in pickrate and winrate, maintaining above average winrate. Soj is overrated. Definitely strong but his strengths mostly comes from how easy and forgiving it's to play her. Even easier than Torb. You never die on this hero. The value you create is the hard part.
They need to nerf dva, rein, jq and winston. Especially Dva and Rein because they are way more accessible. These 2 hurts the game.
I’m a Junkrat main with over 900 hours on the character. I’m a masters player and even I know junk is not S tier. I realize I’m not the “average player” but I also realize that aiming with Junk takes a lot more skill than people realize. Especially if you’re trying to take out a flying Juno, pharah, echo, etc. in my games I’ve been seeing a TON of sombras and literally only DVA with the rare Rein. Junk is great into a Rein. But any decent DVA knows to target Junk immediately 😂
Best counter to the meta rn is to not play the game. Most miserable game state we’ve had in 12 seasons
Tracer S tier but not Sombra?
Invalid tier list!
Junkrat s teir... just say I'm biased and move on we get it.
What changed to make dive meta?
So glad they nerfed dive even though I played a total of 15 games last night and all team comps are dive. Great work blizzard you've done nothing at all again🙃
Bro someone could explain to me why brig is was in the A tier? Because in my rank she unfortunately is useless
Soldier is not A tier lol.
Orisa C man ?? are you good ?
i dont understand why do you show the tier list only sometimes in the video, just keep it there always, i have to keep pausing the video all the time
Every tier list I see is completely differently obviously it’s all opinion
Why did they nerf hanzo hp?
what Is the point of shieldshealth anymore.
before It could degenerate HP but now everyone does It
but having armor stats Is way more Better. Dva Rein RAM are Just Better in tanking and dva Is also e hg squishy killer
Tier list for NA gold or something?
Your mic is buzzing when you speak
I keep checking for news about lead hero designer and balance team getting fired but still none. I won't buy any activision product until this happens.
McCree? Mobility?
that constant rising tone and the laziness of the videos is triggering ngl
Fuck, junkrat metas are the worst. Spamming corners and killing random people with nuclear bomb sized hitboxes you can't avoid should be punished, not rewarded. A high mobility hero like junkrat should have gotten that hp nerf.
Junkrat isn't even meta.😂
This is for low ranks.
JUNKRAT IS NOT A HIGH MOBILITY HERO. He has the worst mobility of the entire "get close to profit" characters and its not even close. Genji, reaper, venture, tracer among others are lightyears better in terms on mobility than junkrat and his highly predictable mines
Also, he is not even close to meta atm, it might work on a few maps on lower ranks but that is bc of how dumb ppl are there not on the character itself. Go out of gold abd the character gets rolled to no end if you are not good at him
I played over 200 hours with junk ratings, one of my favorite characters. Once you actually learn how to play him, spamming corners is the least impactful thing you can do. It is annoying to play against but once you actually learn how to play him, you kind of just instinctively. Just dodge all the bombs regardless. He is not a very good character just about everything in the game counters him. If he sneaks up on you then go somewhere where he won't sneak up on you. Same thing with Sombra. In some cases he can have high mobility but the majority of the time it's about the same as sojourn. Also junkrat is what happens when you corner a rat It fights back so giving him less health would make him stronger. Here are some helpful tips to beat him. If you are playing tank do not play Reinhardt, Mauga, Doomfist, Winston , Roadhog wrecking ball. If you were playing DPS do not play Reaper Mai Bastion Tracer Sombra Hanzo widow Genji symmetra. For support, do not play Mercy Ana Bridgette Zenyatta Lucio Moira Kiriko. The reasoning for the choices of the characters I say not to play into junkrat is because one the character wants to be up close or two. The character does not move very much or the third option people have way too much faith in the character. They're playing and get sloppy and try to 1v1 junkrat. For tank for the best options are the ones that can stop projectile Shields or divas defense matrix. Orisa's javelin spin. For DPS, it's anything that can literally keep distance away fly or in some cases venture torb have enough burst damage that they're able to keep junkrat at Bay or kill them outright. The best thing to play for support is Baptiste Illari LifeWeaver. Baptist has three health bars. Illari can literally just boop junkrat away and heal and for the case of LifeWeaver he has high health high bursts damage and is pretty scary this season.
The characters that are not listed for what I said are the ones that just give me more issues than it's worth going after them. So avoid the listing characters then you shouldn't really have any problems with junkrat. Also learn how to play junkrat makes it easier to play against junkrat. Same thing with anything really. But yes the final thing is this is not to harm you. This was not to hurt you. This is me trying to be helpful. I wish you no harm. You are entitled to your own opinions and this is just me trying to be helpful. Live long and prosper or something I don't know.
does anyone know how to send a VOD review request?
So Rein is S tier, because he stands on point and holds right click while your team does all the work?
Wait so who is this list for? You said multiple times that a hero would be good in a high rank and put them low. So this is for idk metal ranks? Diamond? Well then why are we saying that mobility rules? Ur putting character in a rank based off the fact that they are playing meta The Whole Team. When tf is the whole team going to be playing characters that work together in a low rank? When tf is there going to be a coordinated dive in a low rank? When will you have a clean team-fight in a low rank? I just feel there are conflicting reasons for characters being placed where they are. So it’s a meta tear list? A plat tearlist. Or probably gold right? If this is gold then let’s be real some of these mobility hero’s should be way lower. Gold players in my experience don’t get value from lucio ball brig n shit. Some of these are based off of meta on paper some are based off of gold. Let’s just pick like 1
Normally I agree with your takes more than anyone elses, but this tier list is wack on the support side. Bapt higher than the dive supports in a dive meta lmao
Whenever I feel like coming back to the game I take a look at the state of overwatch. Then it immediately goes away.
I seriously don't understand how developers can be so fucking useless.