I really hope it doesn't, Back then I hated it cause I felt like it was gonna be something like Overwatch where its gets boring real fast Then I played and loved the Closed Beta It even got me to get back in Marvel Video Games
It's mostly Overwatch 1, which is great. Played the beta, it was awesome with a team that wants to win. Marvel license will hook everyone with a roster of recognizable characters. It's not Concord. It's free to play. It's gonna be fine even if it doesn't explode overnight, but it probably will. There's no way it could bomb like Concord.
Let's hope they don't pull a multiversus and remake the whole game in a new engine for some reason and have missing features from beta and have game breaking bugs every patch.
@@thelordofthelostbraincellsEverything in this World is a copy or inspiration of something which has existed. Perfectly fine if the copy is equivalent or better.
in what? worse graphics, worse optimization, less balanced, less fluid gunplay. yall hate overwatch so much that yall will glaze anything even marvel rivals
I think Marvel Rivals takes a lot of inspiration from Overwatch (and other games) in all the best ways, and improves upon a lot of the frustration points! Only time will tell if it evolves beyond its inspirations.
Just thought of something good, imagine marvel rivals had a game mode called survival, a team dropping down in map and is under attack by constant waves of doom bots, with rest periods after each wave and base upgrades like barricades and torrents, Map location: avengers tower Enemy types : doom bots, unltron bots, and galacta bots P.s: love your content❤ , I hope you can recommend this on Twitter or UA-cam because you have a MR based following
funny lol u cant kill whats already dead and shill are just delusional they'll go like "OW AINT DEAD BC OF THIS AND THAT MEHHHH WEHHH" bruh just accept it blizz has been beating it up with no lore, content, and cinematics at all even fun gamemodes plus skin bundles are just an excuse lol
One of the few non-ow youtubers who makes an OW is bad video that is actually talking about the game problems by actually playing the game and not copying reddit talking points, kudos
The worst thing about reddit talking points is just omitting the responsibility of the game designer who was responsible for release Ana, release Brig, Moth meta, double shields, bringing one of the most successful breakthrough multiplayer games into maintenance mode for his dog shit FPS WoW clone pipe dream that has now failed to materialise 3 times. Jeffy then proceed to run and wash his hands of all controversies despite having been in the company for nearly 2 decades, undoubtedly overseeing all the nasty shit for which people are now being thrown in jail.
Me a tf2 player suddenly filled with hope once again after Valve did something to get rid of all the bots, then realizing its Valve, we'll simply be left to rot again despite still a sizeable community playing.
it's their own bots, but it's funny to be prised for solving problems you make to force people to ask for solution, look at wow&bots same shit, bots fill in on rmt trading
@@peterparker-q1q Steam as a whole is flooded with bots, its an issue not just tf2 faces, its a crisis on steam, the bots im talking about are the ones that used hacks to stop people from being able to play, yes which were made by people, but its little to no different than an average cheater needing to be banned. Valve did something to deal with it, im thankful.
@@gevmaedahtkuont5387This game calls rivals a knockoff of overwatch, so naturally people are gonna think about the game that overwatch copied half its characters from.
To be fair, a melee DPS just wouldn't work in OW2. OW is a first-person shooter that relies a lot on poking, so a melee-only character wouldn't work. The only reason why Brig and Rein work is because Rein has enough HP + shield to just constantly stay on the frontline and Brig spends most of the neutral fight only using her abilities, not her primary fire.
@@crimsongogeta6810 yeah but all of his melee stuff was allocated to cooldown abilities, and his primary fire was the knuckle shot. They’ve never made any DPS that can just throw out melee combos as their primary.
Uhh real talk, Im actually Mad I sat through all that. The music changing every 5 seconds to avoid copyright was down right foul to experience OMG, then he doubled his script and told us 3 times(?) the concept of OW we got it friend lol
Not a fan of this conversation, just because a game is in the same genre is it a "copy"? You could say that about every battle royal i.e Pubg, Fortnite, H1z1, or Arma King of the hill. Or that Overwatch is a copy of Paladins. There are so many holes in this train of logic.
3:00 League of Legends was not made to compete with something Valve made. The original DotA was a map for Warcraft 3 created by the Eul in 2003 which in itself was based on a Starcraft map called Aeon of Strife from 2002. League of Legends was a copy of that and came out in 2009. Valve made Dota 2 which came out years later in 2013.
Bro literally had no backlash what are you saying lol and literally everybody knows it’s a “overwatch copy” but dnc because it’s better than overwatch.
Here's the deal: if a game filled a certain niche but has fallen off then the copy, even if it is just a copy, will replace the original. This is a good thing because that means the niche has been filled once again.
Watching this the night before release is one heck of a feeling. So far it’s almost too perfect to really believe it all. What matters is our hype still stands.
Being able to use 3 tank/DPS/healer is what led to the goat meta which was worst to play than any meta in Overwatch 2, after that they locked roles and nobody really complained. Literally anyone that played ow1 before role queue in rank below master would understand how annoying it was to play DPS and how many games would be ruined by healer suddenly deciding to play DPS cause they estimate you don’t do enough damage.
One thing I can't wait to see is the amount of hate this game will get ill still play it because it's ow2 but another one and ow2 is my favorite game but I just know it's always gonna be "complain complain complain"
Fine and dandy but then they over corrected and now you can only have one tank in a 5 man team that is always your fault. Fine if you add role queues but then why turn it into a 5v5 game? It’s an over correction that did more harm than good. But you don’t even need a role queue or go down to 5v5. Want to know why? Because you could have just made a character that could deal with that. Which is also what Marvel Rivals is doing. Scarlet Witch has an ult that deletes people close to her. Moon Knight has a kit that is great against grouped up enemies, currently they introduced Squirrel Girl and Iron Fist that have damage that can handle groups or 1v1 someone like a tank if they want to. It’s something that Overwatch suffered because they make 1 character every few months. And when making 2, they left it on the shield meta and why people bellyache about this to this day.
Me, who has only played tf2 bc a friend told me to, and tf2 is the only game on my steam, and my main personality is being a theater kid: Hm... yes, I totally get what you're talking about
Why do people always have to argue about which game is better or who's knocking off who? It's like that episode of South park where the Simpsons have done everything already, but the Simpsons is overwatch. When something has been around long enough of course ideas will get repeated, on purpose or not. I'm personally very happy with overwatch and a bunch of angry videos or comments pointing out all the bad stuff that happened 2 whole fucking years ago won't change my mind (I've heard it all before and I don't care). Likewise it's also really sad to hate on Marvel Rivals just because it's new or you play a different game
because this type of competition generates dispute between two brands, and Overwatch 2 is the PERFECT example of why you need this, without competition, the game was left to the flies because they didn't need to do absolutely anything, since they had no way of "losing", now that the competition exists, Overwatch has 2 choices, improve to become a good competitor for Marvel Rivals, or fall into oblivion of something that was once good
@@amaterasu1145 yeah but nothing has really rivaled overwatch in the 3d r34 scene. Each female character has like around 20k posts. Of course not just of 3d stuff but there's still an absolute ton, and it's usually of higher quality than other games stuff. Kinda one of the first ones to make people go "woah these models are way better than the game models".
17:44 *YES.* *YES!!!* *MORE MELEE HEROES!* God damn you would not BELIEVE how long I've been asking that from OW, *from ANY game*! I want more Melee heroes!!! I just wanna brawl out and swing a physical weapon within 10 feet of an enemy!
Bro stop editing well now I have to step up my game AGAIN. Great video I watched the full thing. The amount of masking transitions you did blew my mind with how fast and consistent the video still flowed. 💜
The biggest problem right now is the Marvel license and Disney. If the licensing becomes too expensive or Disney tries to butt in then Rivals might do something drastic that will turn away the players.
I think we need to redefine "Copying" these ideas and abilities have been around for a long, long time and there's only so many ways you can translate them into a game. Here's a fun question, how would you design a turret sentry character not using abilities from Torb, the Engineer, or Heimerdinger?
And that is why I wanna play it. Marvel Rivals reminds me so much of what Overwatch used to be to me. It used to be so much fun where you didnt have to focus on what is "meta" and just picked any character you wanted. Let's hope Marvel Rivals will not go down the road that Blizzard took Overwatch and will instead improve on all the good shit that we all remember and miss from Overwatch 1.
This was a really funny super well edited and very comprehensive video about riavls and OW, it really sounds like you understood game design and honestly critiqued both games in a reasonable and accurate way, bravo my good sir bravo
It just seem at this point that people just say Overwatch is trash to get some social validation on the internet, usually when you believe a game is trash that means you hate your time playing the game and wouldn’t play at all.
On release? Its even better than i remember on beta. 33 toys to play with. Its fucking great, even some of them has parts from another game. Theres an equal amount that are unique, too. But most importantly, i may have non-favorutes, but they all feel unique and fun.
Honestly i miss the loot boxes. I wanna play for the skins not pay for them. OW2 feels so unrewarding to play. It’s funny tho cuz I feel like buying the battlepass for Marvel Rivals cuz the devs actually care and the game seems good.
This is the first video of yours I’ve seen. Your editing style is so fast paced and fun, like an extremely toned down original Max0r video. Also Marvel Rivals is so peak, even tho everyone instantly locks DPS I’ve noticed when my friend and I just pick a character for fun, we absolutely blast. I went 32&3 in ranked as Magik. I felt like an actual god
The way he described the state of OW2 is so unbelievably accurate. Support is both unkilliable and stronger than DPS, while also having ABILITIES that change the game. As well as DPS being basically the weakest role and ALSO the counter aspect being added because the tanks were designed to fundamentally have weaknesses, meaning they have counters. Hence, counterwatch.
Whining about supports and Sojourn in the current patch, and judging by the clips of Juno it is current patch, is certainly a take. A telling one. Also getting suspended for toxicity, hard self-tell. OW2 has a lot of issues but bruh.
I was writing a huge text about why this isn't true, but I'll summarize, I've been playing League of Legends for 7 years, I've never received any punishment (because I'm not toxic), I went back to playing Overwatch, I was banned 2 days later because I didn't know that Venture would cry in the bathroom for referring to the character with him :D
i'm sick of people saying star lord is tracer, one star lord can fly, his "blinks" are more like 3 charges of wraith form then actual blinks and his guns are completely different outside of "two pistol, spin reload", he actually has health and a completly different ult, he plays more like reaper with a different gun similar to tracers only in design and low bullets
Overall, Marvel Rivals is clearly an improvement upon Overwatch formula. First of all, it's 6v6,and since 6>5, that's mathematic proof that it's better. Second, only around 50% of Overwatch characters are good for rule 34, as oppose to 100% of Rival character. Even Magneto, who's 100 years old or something close to that, is shredded. And third, and most important Marvel Rivals have Jeff, while Overwatch 2 doesn't have him anymore
This video is so impressively edited I love the music choices (as a ye fan I'm just nonstop soyjak pointing and screaming) The visuals and quick jokes are so perfect that you don't get bored but it's never too much the writing and topics are all really well thought out too 100% will be watching every video you have ever made
Everything you said about Overwatch gives me the yearns for good ole days. Heroes right now feels dumb down because the game is seriously competitive. The only time I have fun in Overwatch are the events that spice heroes abilities. Like the Kiriko community patch tp which is the Kiriko I really want to play. Marvel Rivals gives me the old Overwatch feel. I like that the heroes feels strong which makes the game feel fun and rewarding to play once you unlock their potential. It leaves the chaos behind which is great for casual purpose while still giving the ceiling for competitive players. Overwatch having competition is a good thing and I hope this marks for them actually doing something for the game. Every season since OW2 launch feels samey imo.
I think the effort is commendable, he is flexing the editing skills (pumping the chest so to speak). Saying that, it's weird how many suicidal clips he edited in. I don't have any "triggers" or whatever, but this obsession with suicide is kinda bizarre. Anyway, great video
never got into overwatch so i left during the first couple of months but as soon as i saw that i could be VENOM in MR I clicked that download button fast assssss fvvvvvvvvck
Yes the Overwatch 1 double shield and goat meta was so great (btw the two meta we got before OW2, people at the time were absolutely not saying OW1 was a good game) I guarantee that if blizzard reopened Overwatch 1 servers and let people play the game along Overwatch 2 literally nobody but a small minority of player would go back to suffer on one of the most annoying meta in the history of Overwatch.
I genuinely just don't feel the appeal of Rivals, it just feels like they doubled down on OW2's too fast pacing and bulldozey playstyle issues rather than going back to OW1's chokepoint/slow-fast-slow rhythm it kind of had going. I can only hope the OW2 6v6 playtests go well and everything will fall back in line in that game. Until then though Deadlock is probably as close as its going to get. I genuinely don't think Rivals will ever capture that magic but will probably atleast have a healthy playerbase, though lower than OW2's.
Netease is really good at copying games and making them better that you forget they were a copy because of the love and creativity they start putting into it. They’ve done this before with their asymmetrical horror game ‘Identity V’ that started off as a blatant copy of Dead by Daylight. But, after being out for 6+ years it’s garnered its own loving community and added features that are personal to it.
Years ago I described Overwatch as every video game archetype for the past 30 years coming together for a football game. Still stand by that definition. Also, I personally believe that Overwatch went to 5v5 because the developers were sick and tired of hearing about Roadhog's hook.
They went 5v5 as the "novelty" that justifies a "sequel". Its that simple really. They gave ridiculous excuses like mentioning queue times (at the same time the marketing team promoting the game, claiming there's 50 million players... hell, you can't find 12 players among 50 million? Get that shit out of here), also the effects that can be too demanding... sure, a early PS4 double A game who was able to be ported for the Switch, 6v6 is too demanding... oh man, it's a disgusting situation
Everyday a part of me misses Overwatch 1. It got to a point where I recently watched all of the old cinematics (still the best cinematics in gaming btw) and I damn near broke down just realizing how we will never get that almost perfect game back. We will never see Overwatch 1 again and instead we have to deal with the corpse known as Overwatch 2. A corpse that shouldn't even exist.
@@kylesawkon4074 Crash bandicoot isn't a perfect game? There are also so many other games from the same time that do it better, aswell as so many better games to just choose from. Also depending on what you label as a perfect game, a multiplayer game is very likely to be up there, because it's just more replayable (not saying OW1 is up there, just a general point) Finally i think the OG commenters is more so about the mystique of OW 1 where you got bangin cinematics that made you want to know more about the characters, and new modes that genuinely kept things fresh.
Honestly during covid I was dumping 6-10hrs a day into OW1, I loved OW so much. But since the release of OW2 I agree the game has regressed, I don't know how to describe it but it feels like a shell of its former self. I'm so excited for Rivals, it looks like what OW used to be and I'm so ready to relive that experience OW1 provided us.
You think marvel rivals gonna flop or nah?
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Concord 2
I really hope it doesn't, Back then I hated it cause I felt like it was gonna be something like Overwatch where its gets boring real fast
Then I played and loved the Closed Beta
It even got me to get back in Marvel Video Games
Did you happen to play Mecha Break at all during its alpha test?
A Hgetig cuutrame eH??
It's mostly Overwatch 1, which is great. Played the beta, it was awesome with a team that wants to win.
Marvel license will hook everyone with a roster of recognizable characters.
It's not Concord.
It's free to play.
It's gonna be fine even if it doesn't explode overnight, but it probably will.
There's no way it could bomb like Concord.
Let's hope they don't pull a multiversus and remake the whole game in a new engine for some reason and have missing features from beta and have game breaking bugs every patch.
so... overwatch 2
They ruined Multi-verse? Tsk tsk
@@rockeater64 they didnt remake overwatch 2 the game is still literally called overwatch in the files
so.. counter strike 2
@@so14r3 Not gonna lie Marvel Rivals looks pretty crazy cool ATM too
"Copying is just the consequence of competition". Wisest thing I've ever heard in a UA-cam video about the funny Marvel game.
Originality doesn't exist anymore, so everyone is copying something from someone/thing/where.
@@thelordofthelostbraincellsEverything in this World is a copy or inspiration of something which has existed. Perfectly fine if the copy is equivalent or better.
@@thelordofthelostbraincellsoriginality doesn't exist in the first place
@@jonah-b7kyes it did, but just an incredibly VERY LONG TIME AGO.
I'm talking about when our ancient ancestors were rubbing 2 sticks together.
big fire ball on the sky not original enough for ya? 😂😂 @jonah-b7k
overwatch: youre just a cheap fcking knockoff
marvel rivals: oh no no no no... i'm the upgrade
Homelander: I'M BETTER!
@@RRRRRRRRR33*I AM BETTER!!!*
Just wait for 6v6 guys
Its gonna fix everything and the game is going to be the best it has ever been. Trust me
@@Kurell1716v6 won’t fix everything but it will definitely be more fun than playing 5v5
in what?
worse graphics, worse optimization, less balanced, less fluid gunplay.
yall hate overwatch so much that yall will glaze anything even marvel rivals
PVZ GARDEN PEAKFARE MENTIONED 🔥🔥🗣
the true goat of hero shooters
when
the goat GW
was doing it before and better then ow1
@@cinder7258still does, they really need to make a new one man.
I think Marvel Rivals takes a lot of inspiration from Overwatch (and other games) in all the best ways, and improves upon a lot of the frustration points! Only time will tell if it evolves beyond its inspirations.
Just thought of something good, imagine marvel rivals had a game mode called survival, a team dropping down in map and is under attack by constant waves of doom bots, with rest periods after each wave and base upgrades like barricades and torrents,
Map location: avengers tower
Enemy types : doom bots, unltron bots, and galacta bots
P.s: love your content❤ , I hope you can recommend this on Twitter or UA-cam because you have a MR based following
@@Hazo_Yt so... TF2 MvM
And overwatch is inspired by tf2
@@pixavier9746 never played TF2, but I just thought of tower defense games + avengers tower + age of Ultron
@@Hazo_Yt Yes don't worry, I would love a pve gamemode too, I was just joking a bit.
"of course it's not an OverWatch killer it's already f#&k dead" was just so funny to me
I realised OW2 was dead because I don't even see porn of the new characters
@@humanyoutubeuser🤣
funny lol u cant kill whats already dead
and shill are just delusional they'll go like "OW AINT DEAD BC OF THIS AND THAT MEHHHH WEHHH" bruh just accept it blizz has been beating it up with no lore, content, and cinematics at all even fun gamemodes plus skin bundles are just an excuse lol
calling a game dead is funny when it has More players than it has in years.
Overwqtch2 killed it rivals was just nail in the coffin.
Just because it's a hero shooter doesn't mean it's an overwatch clone
The game plays and feel like OW.
@@ZeeRaX17nah it plays and feels 10x better
@ same game
@@ZeeRaX17 But 100x better
It's a THIRD PERSON, so right from the start is way better because PLAYERS CAN SEE their skin, while in OW people are buying skins they cannot see.
The ultimate win for casual players I think. Not to mention how excessively expensive OW Skins are
Indeed😊 so clever😊
Still waiting on the ability to enter 3'rd person blizzard. Stiiiiill waiting...
Gg
One of the few non-ow youtubers who makes an OW is bad video that is actually talking about the game problems by actually playing the game and not copying reddit talking points, kudos
The worst thing about reddit talking points is just omitting the responsibility of the game designer who was responsible for release Ana, release Brig, Moth meta, double shields, bringing one of the most successful breakthrough multiplayer games into maintenance mode for his dog shit FPS WoW clone pipe dream that has now failed to materialise 3 times. Jeffy then proceed to run and wash his hands of all controversies despite having been in the company for nearly 2 decades, undoubtedly overseeing all the nasty shit for which people are now being thrown in jail.
@@cynthiacrescent I deadass don't care what blizzard devs did just make a good game
@@terribleplayer2526real
@@terribleplayer2526 bad person
@@beeferbeef7691 cope
I love how the only argument players have is whether or not marvel rivals is a clone because nobody who’s played it thinks it’s bad lol
It is bad 🗿
@@1Loftwing1no it’s not
Me a tf2 player suddenly filled with hope once again after Valve did something to get rid of all the bots, then realizing its Valve, we'll simply be left to rot again despite still a sizeable community playing.
it's their own bots, but it's funny to be prised for solving problems you make to force people to ask for solution, look at wow&bots same shit, bots fill in on rmt trading
@@peterparker-q1q Steam as a whole is flooded with bots, its an issue not just tf2 faces, its a crisis on steam, the bots im talking about are the ones that used hacks to stop people from being able to play, yes which were made by people, but its little to no different than an average cheater needing to be banned. Valve did something to deal with it, im thankful.
video: *has nothing to do with tf2 and not even mentions it once*
tf2 fans: hmm, how can i make this about me.
@@gevmaedahtkuont5387This game calls rivals a knockoff of overwatch, so naturally people are gonna think about the game that overwatch copied half its characters from.
@@gevmaedahtkuont5387 it was loosely brought up a few times, but nowhere did I say it's what the video was about.
Marvel Rivals wasn’t afraid to make melee DPS, which puts them over the top compared to OW2 for me
To be fair, a melee DPS just wouldn't work in OW2. OW is a first-person shooter that relies a lot on poking, so a melee-only character wouldn't work. The only reason why Brig and Rein work is because Rein has enough HP + shield to just constantly stay on the frontline and Brig spends most of the neutral fight only using her abilities, not her primary fire.
Battleborn did it way before Rivals, and unfortunately it had to fight OW during release.
Overwatch *had* a melee DPS, but then they made Doomfist a tank for some fucking reason.
@@crimsongogeta6810 yeah but all of his melee stuff was allocated to cooldown abilities, and his primary fire was the knuckle shot. They’ve never made any DPS that can just throw out melee combos as their primary.
4:43 thanks for mentioning Garden Warfare it get's overlooked so often even though it's sold as many copies as Halo 2 and Dark souls
editing gave me a hernia
Uhh real talk, Im actually Mad I sat through all that. The music changing every 5 seconds to avoid copyright was down right foul to experience OMG, then he doubled his script and told us 3 times(?) the concept of OW we got it friend lol
@@andybenitez7412 calm down
And his rapid-fire yapping
Ironman flying and shooting lazers? NAH.... IT CANT BE...
that’s my magneto clip at 19:38!
Marvel: im the upgrade
That Kanye transition was so beautiful it had me crying and shit
i cried too
It had me shitting and cry
8:03
Not a fan of this conversation, just because a game is in the same genre is it a "copy"? You could say that about every battle royal i.e Pubg, Fortnite, H1z1, or Arma King of the hill. Or that Overwatch is a copy of Paladins. There are so many holes in this train of logic.
3:00 League of Legends was not made to compete with something Valve made. The original DotA was a map for Warcraft 3 created by the Eul in 2003 which in itself was based on a Starcraft map called Aeon of Strife from 2002. League of Legends was a copy of that and came out in 2009. Valve made Dota 2 which came out years later in 2013.
I remember when Bogur got insane backlash from Marvel Rivals stans when he said Venom is a Wrecking Ball copy so be ready 😂
Venom is good unlike Wrecking ball
I mean. Venom ain't one tho😭. If u want good examples look at Wanda and magneto
What backlash? Like nobodies on twitter or just a few angry people in his chat?
Bro literally had no backlash what are you saying lol and literally everybody knows it’s a “overwatch copy” but dnc because it’s better than overwatch.
@@netherdragon1643 What are you talking about? Ball is one of the best tanks right now lmao.
Here's the deal: if a game filled a certain niche but has fallen off then the copy, even if it is just a copy, will replace the original. This is a good thing because that means the niche has been filled once again.
Watching this the night before release is one heck of a feeling. So far it’s almost too perfect to really believe it all. What matters is our hype still stands.
marvel rivals is not a copy of overwatch, it's the overwatch 2 that we needed but we didn't get.
Overwatch took a lot of inspiration from Marvel, DC, & others to make their characters.
Marvel adopted the 6v6 format from Overwatch.
i took a shot for every smiling friends edit and now im in the hospital
i took a shot for every kanye song and now im dead
Overwatch 2 is not the 2nd iteration of Overwatch, it's just an overhauled Overwatch with a 2 slapped on it.
True dat!
It was an item shop update
It completely shanked the game ruined balance and they removed half the good maps and released a bunch of crap maps
The editing in this video is actually insane, on top of being well put together, making a clear point and an argument for it, extremely well done 👍
Editting is insane bruh
Marvel : sexy girl, man are brave
Overwatch: wake for WOKE
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Being able to use 3 tank/DPS/healer is what led to the goat meta which was worst to play than any meta in Overwatch 2, after that they locked roles and nobody really complained.
Literally anyone that played ow1 before role queue in rank below master would understand how annoying it was to play DPS and how many games would be ruined by healer suddenly deciding to play DPS cause they estimate you don’t do enough damage.
One thing I can't wait to see is the amount of hate this game will get ill still play it because it's ow2 but another one and ow2 is my favorite game but I just know it's always gonna be "complain complain complain"
Fine and dandy but then they over corrected and now you can only have one tank in a 5 man team that is always your fault. Fine if you add role queues but then why turn it into a 5v5 game? It’s an over correction that did more harm than good.
But you don’t even need a role queue or go down to 5v5. Want to know why? Because you could have just made a character that could deal with that. Which is also what Marvel Rivals is doing. Scarlet Witch has an ult that deletes people close to her. Moon Knight has a kit that is great against grouped up enemies, currently they introduced Squirrel Girl and Iron Fist that have damage that can handle groups or 1v1 someone like a tank if they want to. It’s something that Overwatch suffered because they make 1 character every few months. And when making 2, they left it on the shield meta and why people bellyache about this to this day.
Me, who has only played tf2 bc a friend told me to, and tf2 is the only game on my steam, and my main personality is being a theater kid: Hm... yes, I totally get what you're talking about
Why do people always have to argue about which game is better or who's knocking off who? It's like that episode of South park where the Simpsons have done everything already, but the Simpsons is overwatch. When something has been around long enough of course ideas will get repeated, on purpose or not. I'm personally very happy with overwatch and a bunch of angry videos or comments pointing out all the bad stuff that happened 2 whole fucking years ago won't change my mind (I've heard it all before and I don't care). Likewise it's also really sad to hate on Marvel Rivals just because it's new or you play a different game
If only overwatch didn't have the glaring issue over making a pointless sequel.
because comparing new stuff to what already exists is what we've been doing throughout all of humanity
because this type of competition generates dispute between two brands, and Overwatch 2 is the PERFECT example of why you need this, without competition, the game was left to the flies because they didn't need to do absolutely anything, since they had no way of "losing", now that the competition exists, Overwatch has 2 choices, improve to become a good competitor for Marvel Rivals, or fall into oblivion of something that was once good
No game can last forever, but what I hope eventually kills Marvel Rivals is another game just being better rather than Rivals becoming worse
It officially becomes a copy when Marvel Rivals starts getting adult……….art that rivals the Overwatch adult……..art.
I see what u did there 🙃
Look up venom in rule 34
Have you seen storms design 😭
Well it’s marvel so you know the art already exist
@@amaterasu1145 yeah but nothing has really rivaled overwatch in the 3d r34 scene. Each female character has like around 20k posts. Of course not just of 3d stuff but there's still an absolute ton, and it's usually of higher quality than other games stuff. Kinda one of the first ones to make people go "woah these models are way better than the game models".
"Marvel rivals is just an overwatch copy"
TF2: 💀
A few days into the full release, and in my opinion, rivals is so much more fun than overwatch
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*YES.* *YES!!!* *MORE MELEE HEROES!* God damn you would not BELIEVE how long I've been asking that from OW, *from ANY game*! I want more Melee heroes!!! I just wanna brawl out and swing a physical weapon within 10 feet of an enemy!
Bro stop editing well now I have to step up my game AGAIN. Great video I watched the full thing. The amount of masking transitions you did blew my mind with how fast and consistent the video still flowed. 💜
The biggest problem right now is the Marvel license and Disney. If the licensing becomes too expensive or Disney tries to butt in then Rivals might do something drastic that will turn away the players.
I think we need to redefine "Copying" these ideas and abilities have been around for a long, long time and there's only so many ways you can translate them into a game.
Here's a fun question, how would you design a turret sentry character not using abilities from Torb, the Engineer, or Heimerdinger?
And that is why I wanna play it. Marvel Rivals reminds me so much of what Overwatch used to be to me. It used to be so much fun where you didnt have to focus on what is "meta" and just picked any character you wanted. Let's hope Marvel Rivals will not go down the road that Blizzard took Overwatch and will instead improve on all the good shit that we all remember and miss from Overwatch 1.
3 months later: Similar yes. Copy no.
One thing i love about star lord in marvel rivals is his playstyle is just so fitting for his personality lol
3:00 Valve didnt make CS nor DOTA they were mods/gamemodes in other games and they just bought the rights... Didnt even name them.
the overwatch vs rivals situation feels like the rivalry in cars 3 but instead of mcqueen it was the green dude
Every song is a banger, please just like, make a playlist or smth.
This was a really funny super well edited and very comprehensive video about riavls and OW, it really sounds like you understood game design and honestly critiqued both games in a reasonable and accurate way, bravo my good sir bravo
It just seem at this point that people just say Overwatch is trash to get some social validation on the internet, usually when you believe a game is trash that means you hate your time playing the game and wouldn’t play at all.
16:00 how can it be dead if it isn't alive in the first place 😂
7:52 that boogie edit had me rollin
I was looking for a comment who appreciated that 😂
@@ColdSpaceMann 🎵 I'm a fat fuckin pig 🎶
On release? Its even better than i remember on beta.
33 toys to play with. Its fucking great, even some of them has parts from another game. Theres an equal amount that are unique, too.
But most importantly, i may have non-favorutes, but they all feel unique and fun.
Honestly i miss the loot boxes. I wanna play for the skins not pay for them. OW2 feels so unrewarding to play.
It’s funny tho cuz I feel like buying the battlepass for Marvel Rivals cuz the devs actually care and the game seems good.
This is the first video of yours I’ve seen. Your editing style is so fast paced and fun, like an extremely toned down original Max0r video. Also Marvel Rivals is so peak, even tho everyone instantly locks DPS I’ve noticed when my friend and I just pick a character for fun, we absolutely blast.
I went 32&3 in ranked as Magik. I felt like an actual god
3:12 tragically a family really died in this explosion
That’s fucked
@@Yendhay Or bait can't tell
take a shot anytime a smiling friends clips is shown in a Doktor Skipper video
still waiting for bro to talk about rivals…
I’ve been going through Marvel Rivals withdrawals for too long, now it’s time feed my addiction once more
22:46 what’s the song at the end
Mrs Robinson
@@zac_223specifically the cover by the Lemonheads
“Don’t be a sweat filled esport”
tournament tab: exists
editing and music goes hard ah hell man, insanely nice work
The way he described the state of OW2 is so unbelievably accurate. Support is both unkilliable and stronger than DPS, while also having ABILITIES that change the game. As well as DPS being basically the weakest role and ALSO the counter aspect being added because the tanks were designed to fundamentally have weaknesses, meaning they have counters. Hence, counterwatch.
Whining about supports and Sojourn in the current patch, and judging by the clips of Juno it is current patch, is certainly a take. A telling one. Also getting suspended for toxicity, hard self-tell. OW2 has a lot of issues but bruh.
your game is dead kekypow.
This fr
Literally none of those things are bad tells. You will get banned just for celebrating a win. It's dumb.
I was writing a huge text about why this isn't true, but I'll summarize, I've been playing League of Legends for 7 years, I've never received any punishment (because I'm not toxic), I went back to playing Overwatch, I was banned 2 days later because I didn't know that Venture would cry in the bathroom for referring to the character with him :D
This video was so well made. Great job and thank you!
i'm sick of people saying star lord is tracer, one star lord can fly, his "blinks" are more like 3 charges of wraith form then actual blinks and his guns are completely different outside of "two pistol, spin reload", he actually has health and a completly different ult, he plays more like reaper with a different gun similar to tracers only in design and low bullets
lets not forget that marvel rivals also released for free...
There are a lot of edits in this video. Very good, my zoomer brain is engaged.
Over watch copied a lot of marvel characters the same characters made in 1960s so who’s really a copy
Overall, Marvel Rivals is clearly an improvement upon Overwatch formula. First of all, it's 6v6,and since 6>5, that's mathematic proof that it's better. Second, only around 50% of Overwatch characters are good for rule 34, as oppose to 100% of Rival character. Even Magneto, who's 100 years old or something close to that, is shredded. And third, and most important Marvel Rivals have Jeff, while Overwatch 2 doesn't have him anymore
I think ya mean like 99% of rival characters (NO ONE IS TOUCHING BEST LANDS SHARK JEFFF!!!!)
@Aquabzs it's called "vore" and some people are into that.
Genuinely some of the best editing i've seen on this platform, gonna go binge your other content now. Thanks!!
this aged like milk
Why? Lmao
how?
My guess is you read the title and commented without watching
@@mozzarellarellarellarellar8425 correct!
nice editing dude, never heard about this channel till now but your editing and haha funny kept my attention, liked and subbed
This video is so impressively edited
I love the music choices (as a ye fan I'm just nonstop soyjak pointing and screaming)
The visuals and quick jokes are so perfect that you don't get bored but it's never too much
the writing and topics are all really well thought out too
100% will be watching every video you have ever made
Everything you said about Overwatch gives me the yearns for good ole days. Heroes right now feels dumb down because the game is seriously competitive. The only time I have fun in Overwatch are the events that spice heroes abilities. Like the Kiriko community patch tp which is the Kiriko I really want to play.
Marvel Rivals gives me the old Overwatch feel. I like that the heroes feels strong which makes the game feel fun and rewarding to play once you unlock their potential. It leaves the chaos behind which is great for casual purpose while still giving the ceiling for competitive players.
Overwatch having competition is a good thing and I hope this marks for them actually doing something for the game. Every season since OW2 launch feels samey imo.
This video makes good points but tone down a bit on the editing bro
Fr its frying my brain
I think the effort is commendable, he is flexing the editing skills (pumping the chest so to speak). Saying that, it's weird how many suicidal clips he edited in. I don't have any "triggers" or whatever, but this obsession with suicide is kinda bizarre. Anyway, great video
Zoomer editing lol
never got into overwatch so i left during the first couple of months but as soon as i saw that i could be VENOM in MR I clicked that download button fast assssss fvvvvvvvvck
This video did not age well at all hahaha.
Rivals has outpaced OW at the word go, season 14 is also proof that he was right.
Your right it’s a copy…… a better copy
Nuh hu, a improvement of the original
22:10... Well said
"Yes, I'm a bum"
GARDEN WARFARE MENTIONED AGAIN RAHHHHHH 10:31
4:43 borderlands intro will always gimme goosbumps no matter where its played
Still better.... MUCH BETTER.... overwatch is garbage now
Hey! The discord link in your bio doesnt work. Loved this video and the editing through it. Glad to see its getting traction 💪
Yes the Overwatch 1 double shield and goat meta was so great (btw the two meta we got before OW2, people at the time were absolutely not saying OW1 was a good game)
I guarantee that if blizzard reopened Overwatch 1 servers and let people play the game along Overwatch 2 literally nobody but a small minority of player would go back to suffer on one of the most annoying meta in the history of Overwatch.
Ain't nobody gonna happen this guy up, what editing skills bro, great points, and gold for comedy. How this blows up. Subscribed 👌🏼
Overwatch is a team fortress2 copy sooo who cares?
HUGE W of a video GREAT music great story telling and great sequence. Also this was my first video on your channel and i just subscribed.
I genuinely just don't feel the appeal of Rivals, it just feels like they doubled down on OW2's too fast pacing and bulldozey playstyle issues rather than going back to OW1's chokepoint/slow-fast-slow rhythm it kind of had going. I can only hope the OW2 6v6 playtests go well and everything will fall back in line in that game. Until then though Deadlock is probably as close as its going to get. I genuinely don't think Rivals will ever capture that magic but will probably atleast have a healthy playerbase, though lower than OW2's.
Netease is really good at copying games and making them better that you forget they were a copy because of the love and creativity they start putting into it.
They’ve done this before with their asymmetrical horror game ‘Identity V’ that started off as a blatant copy of Dead by Daylight. But, after being out for 6+ years it’s garnered its own loving community and added features that are personal to it.
Years ago I described Overwatch as every video game archetype for the past 30 years coming together for a football game. Still stand by that definition.
Also, I personally believe that Overwatch went to 5v5 because the developers were sick and tired of hearing about Roadhog's hook.
I dont know if the youre joking but nobody cared at all about Roadhogs Hook lol
They went 5v5 as the "novelty" that justifies a "sequel". Its that simple really. They gave ridiculous excuses like mentioning queue times (at the same time the marketing team promoting the game, claiming there's 50 million players... hell, you can't find 12 players among 50 million? Get that shit out of here), also the effects that can be too demanding... sure, a early PS4 double A game who was able to be ported for the Switch, 6v6 is too demanding... oh man, it's a disgusting situation
STAR LORD SUPREMACY
Everyday a part of me misses Overwatch 1. It got to a point where I recently watched all of the old cinematics (still the best cinematics in gaming btw) and I damn near broke down just realizing how we will never get that almost perfect game back. We will never see Overwatch 1 again and instead we have to deal with the corpse known as Overwatch 2. A corpse that shouldn't even exist.
You gotta still be a teenager to call overwatch 1 the perfect game, go buy yourself a ps1 and the original crash bandicoot game
@@kylesawkon4074 Crash bandicoot isn't a perfect game? There are also so many other games from the same time that do it better, aswell as so many better games to just choose from. Also depending on what you label as a perfect game, a multiplayer game is very likely to be up there, because it's just more replayable (not saying OW1 is up there, just a general point) Finally i think the OG commenters is more so about the mystique of OW 1 where you got bangin cinematics that made you want to know more about the characters, and new modes that genuinely kept things fresh.
I just gotta say this now i love your editing, the dory sojurn bit was hilarious 12:25
This aged like warm milk🤣
idk man almost everyone, including some of my friends who hate hero shooters or used to play overwatch, are having a blast
Bro called Cassidy, Reinhardt. You get a subscribe.
Honestly during covid I was dumping 6-10hrs a day into OW1, I loved OW so much. But since the release of OW2 I agree the game has regressed, I don't know how to describe it but it feels like a shell of its former self. I'm so excited for Rivals, it looks like what OW used to be and I'm so ready to relive that experience OW1 provided us.
Except it’s a different studio, which is already enough for people to play it I think.
soundin like a mad overwatch player lmao
did you watch the video? he likes rivals