It's so EEZ to understand your territorial waters, even I could do it
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- First off, I am not a lawyer - certainly not on your planet - and even if I were, I'm not your lawyer. Nothing in this video should be construed as legal advice, especially if you're planning on doing something stupid with straits.
Second, this is naturally meant to be a high-level overview of a somewhat complicated topic. There's all kinds of other factors that go into this situation, but the broad strokes are comprehensible by almost anyone, even those of you who use molded jello for your processing.
TL;DR: Don't mess with people's boats when they're in places they're allowed to be, and this includes straits that otherwise would be part of national waters.
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The status of straits is a subject of dire importance.
What you did there.
I see it.
Transit for nothin'
Travels for free
Good band.
Hail and well met, fellow Dad-joke developer.
Indeed.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Naval law is 3000 years of tradition in a sou'wester
There are maritime tradition so strong they don't need laws to make them stick, or even occasionally trump laws.
I wouldn't be surprised to find that space has a similar set of traditions. Such as "Don't go through a large nebula unless you want to become the seed of a star."
The last part of this story reminds me of a video by The Fat Electrician, titled something like “when the USA sank half the Iranian navy is 8 hours,” but FA had a line (I paraphrase here,) “don’t mess with America’s boats, it makes them cranky…..”
Proportional. Lol
There's also Habitual Linecrosser who makes the identical point of "Don't. Touch. My. Boats."
Fences make Good Neighbors. Now I just need to figure out how to get 600 thousand miles of chain link fencing to float.
This may take a minute.
Use buoys and anchoring chain. Sure, the fencing won't be above the surface of the water, but they'll still keep it on the surface.
Metal rusts and while not corroded are a hazard to navigation.
floating fence on Rio Grande
The biggest problems,@@pogo1140 are where to put the gate and IF the remote will still work at distance.
@@edwinmartin9120 Navigational hazard, e hazard to migrating wildlife, coyotes will find a way to remove it as the Texans watch
keeping in-character, I believe that our laws don't apply to you for more reasons than just distance. For instance, the fact that you are not a squishie like us. Heck, the fact that there are other squishies that aren't our particular species that the laws don't apply to is another big clue as to that fact. We had a lawsuit about copyright over this particular wrinkle. Some monkey took a photo of itself using unattended equipment, and it was ruled that the photo did not belong to the monkey because it was not a "person" under the laws of copyright.
Note that this particular case would likely not apply because the entity trying to claim this copyright in court wasn't the monkey itself, it was an "organisation" that considered itself "friend of the monkey".
Even if the monkey could claim the copyright, some rando people who even weren't there definitely can't just because they claim they're "friends".
@@MoraFermi Once a few AI Art cases go through the courts, we will likely see as much.
@@kennyholmes5196 ai art is theft, a crate/box you use/buy/sell that is filled with stolen goods is still considered stolen goods even if you slap a new label on it.
Nah the real reason he isn't subject to our laws is that the shipyard has more strategic firepower than the combined powers of earth, and the combined powers of earth have no way to take that power away. Therefore no way to enforce any rules we make up.
@@kennyholmes5196AI art cases have hit the courts.
AI created material of any sort is not copyrightable.
I'm a little surprised that you didn't mention the Thames river estuary weirdness. There is a fairly large bit of water in the mouth of the Thames that would be considered international waters under the 12 mile rule and was treated as international water well into the middle of the twentieth century. Until some folks set up pirate radio stations on abandoned anti-aircraft platforms. The British government then claimed the whole estuary as territorial water to stop the radio broadcasts. As far as I know this is the only time in human history that international boundaries have been changed due to a disagreement on radio programming.
I didn't know about that, thanks for the info!
I guess in at least that one case, the signal didn't get out...
There's enough edge case weirdness on your planet to fill multiple episodes.
"I guess they f*cked around, and found out".
I was actually just thinking "if this isn't the definition of 'fuck around, and find out, I don't know what is"!
Lol I was 11ish at the time, and with no real understanding of anything.....and even i knew that wasn't going to go well. FAFO before it had a name.
Good video! We had a thing like this on the Mississippi River where certain towns along it had "riverboat casinos" for gambling back in the 90s.
Hudson River had it too. NY/NJ border fuckery in the lower Hudson and Hudson Bay is legend. Liberty 🗽 island is an exclave of Manhattan county of New York state entirely surrounded by the water of Jersey City, Hudson county, NJ. Owned entirely by the US federal government.
I don’t ever see sea freight being dethroned as the best way of getting bulk freight around, it completely outclasses everything else in terms of energy per ton per km travelled, by orders of magnitude
Hey, a certain tribal leader of a rather powerful Earth political division expressed the intent to build a rail line across the Pacific to India…
@@markfergerson2145 got to admit, that would've been one heck of an achievement. Although cyclones and typhoons will say no.
Indeed. We'll just make faster and bigger ships as we advance technology.
The only thing that might change this would be Mass Teleportation.
@@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim Or really cheap energy. Of course, then you have to worry about how much heat you're adding to the planet. Actual planetary radiators can be built, of course, and on the plus side, if energy is effectively free they wouldn't even be that expensive to emplace.
@@boobah5643 indeed, indeed
Thank you, Dockmaster, for educating us on our own laws that we may or may not know. I am surprised that you did not comment on the somewhat hilarious incident with the British warship who did not have a backup camera and did not see another ship behind it. I am sure that such things "never" happen on your docks!
I bet they don't happen more than once on the docks, anyways.
Those cubes are smelted into raw materials
I quite enjoyed that video. I do hope one day you do it either as a short or a separate video talking all the difference between a nautical mile and a mile. It's one of those weird consequences of living on a spherish thing.
Years and years ago, I was a sailor on a US aircraft carrier. We were ordered to relieve the on-station carrier strike group that was conducting Operation Masculine Phrase in the Persian Gulf. Iran was deep in their feels at the time - which is a remarkably regular occurrence - and threated retribution against the Running Dog Americans (the meaning apparently doesn't translate well from Persian, but I think it's supposed to be an insult and not funny). As we approached the Strait, we launched EVERYTHING as rapidly as possible. Good training. The carrier we were relieving drifted close to the strait on the other side and launched her own alpha. The US Air Force finally got off the golf course and had a whole bunch of planes up and loaded for bear (or rather whatever the major non-extinct predator that exists in Persia).
Unfortunately I was stuck in #2 reactor's enclosed operating station, because I would dearly have loved to be an observer in Combat at that time. The poor guys tasked with deconfliction must have been downing Tums by the barrel that day!
I later learned after I got off watch from my next-door neighbor, who just happened to be an Ops Specialist, that not a single anti-ship or anti-aircraft site in the area had any radar system up; not even their search sets. So on that day, if someone asked "Who Let the Dogs Out" (ua-cam.com/video/ojULkWEUsPs/v-deo.html) the answer on that day was Iran itself! Not that it had any pleasant options...
13:06 A good video, but I'm glad we now have a exact measurement of how large your speech circle is.
Yes SCS, the rules are clearly laid out. The problem is some people *CHINA, RUSSIA, NORTH KOREA* like to think the rules don't apply to them. FAFO indeed.
Example, Argentina Coast Guard begins to exercise it's right to either drive or sink those fishing boats for violating those waters.
As someone who's from a country in between the east and the west I can tell you everyone does this, the countries you cited above are just utter cretins about it, one such example was when my country's navy caught a German Deep Sea Research Vessel operating on our recently extended EEZ with its transponder off for several days while looking for underwater mineral deposits.
Those chinese long range fishing boats are an utter pain in the stern though.
International law only applies to a country if they allow it apply, it’s all good faith based…
Don't mind me, I'm just passing through like a ship in the night.
I had a chance to read the article about the Varyag (the nuclear Russian air craft carrier sold to China as a "hotel") and the long long journey of how "war ships" and "non war ships" are taxed, and tagged, and tracked and every country had lots to say about it, but no one could stop the "hotel" air craft carrier that has since then been cloned and well... We're living with the consequences of all that now.
It's confusing. And the usual good answer is "wherever the Royal Navy or the US Navy has a warship or a Carrier Battle Group in range."
...we so need to have cruisers again. 6-8" guns backed up by drones, with railguns when the technology gets practical, will make a lot of these pirate havens regret being what they are...briefly.
The old answer amounted to 'if the owner sticks a cannon on closest bit of solid ground to the water, can they hit you? if yes, you're in their territory. Especially if they've actually done so'. But then artillery ranges started getting good enough that they could shoot right over various bodies of water and hit things on the other side and that became a somewhat less practical measure.
and then we developed ICBM and cruise missile that could do the same across the map from own own proverbial back yards or from a high-flying unfriendly stone-drop.
That said the value of a "dumb" fire munition is greatly underestimated by modern forces. Lobbing a torso sized piece (or enough sub-components to fill said torso) of "kindly withdraw" in the direction of some unpleasant types using some fast movers has a remarkably rapid effect on letting belligerents know that those floating heavily burdened piñata are not yours to mess with.
In the next couple decades, assuming nothing weird* happens, it looks like tanks will start to have bigger guns than ships. Because right now, ships tend to be happy with 5" (127mm) guns (which is about even with tanks) but warships tend to go with missiles when that's not enough boom, while armies are starting to look to bigger guns.
* 'Weird' here means not scrapping the tank or a move to some form of mass driver or directed energy weapon. Or, y'know, something _really_ weird.
Barbary Wars 2: Electric Boogaloo
I would hazard a guess that the Space Lanes , to , from and near-abouts your Spacedock work on similar premises . But distances in Parsecs .
Parsecs are way too vast a range for that sort of function. They probably use a more manageable measure, such as a light hour.
@@MogofWar I KNOW THAT .
Humour obviously Eludes You .
@@johncunningham4820 More like subtlety eludes you.
@@MogofWar . Listen up Dickhead .
Why are you commenting in the FIRST fucking Place ?
My Comment was directed to the DOCKMASTER . Not a Fool like YOU .
Now just Fuck Off .
There . Is that Unsubtle enough for you to comprehend ?
In-land water borders can be interesting. A prime example is in my back yard. Along the lower Delaware river the Delaware/New Jersey state line isn't down the center of the Delaware River, it's on the New Jersey shore of the river. I learned this from my father who worked at Chambers Works (a large DuPont plant in Deepwater, NJ). The plant, itself, is in New Jersey subject to New Jersey's tax laws and code enforcement. But their piers are in Delaware, subject to Delaware's tax laws and code enforcement. (I'm not sure what, if any, actual Delaware taxes were levied on the shipping traffic, but Delaware would be a fool to not have some sort of taxes on shipping to help pay for occasionally having to dredge the shipping channels out. Not to mention base human greed... )
The Maryland/Virginia border in the Potomac is similar, though it has more... violent reasons behind it.
If i remember some squishy history? Territorial waters used to be how far can a canon fire?
Also possibly about how far you could see from a reasonable tower.
How does all this work for interior bodies of water that are on the border of two countries? Treated as straits?
At least, I've never been clear on where the boundaries are between USA and Canada on the Great Lakes, and not sure if there are any other instances on the planet.
There are. One case in particular is Bodensee. Switzerland, Austria and Germany share the lake. Dont know how borders are managed there but after Shengen probably no one cares.
In general the borders across bodies of water are straight lines that connect the two nearest points of the land border, irrespective of how much water is on either side of the border. As a practical matter, it usually doesn't. If the two countries are at peace, nobody really cares unless you accidentally land on the wrong border; if they're at war, you ain't gonna be fishing on that lake anyways...
Inland bodies between countries are generally managed by separate, distinct treaties and arrangements largely depending on who won the last conflict between them.
"Break it down, Barney style" Good! Thog clicked on the Grunt/DeckApe translation. Thog understand.
(cough) Yemen (cough)
It’s bad enough when established recognized nations disagree over who can and who cannot transit a given constrained body of water off their shores, but when what amounts to a foreign-state-sponsored rogue militia near such a body of water thinks it can run with the big dogs, things are bound to get messy.
We shall indeed see.
It is horrible that the ones who pay for such venal stupidity are rarely the leaders that make those stupid decisions, but the peasants that have little to no choice in the matter.
@@mikehammer4018 ‘Twas ever thus. I don’t see it changing any time soon.
Where it gets even more interesting is if we consider some "unknown" side lays some mines in a strait.
Mines are a /whole/ fun topic.
@@SacredCowShipyards and offer a scarily easy way to deni any involvement
I love the way you are inconsistent on the terminologies for states and stuff
2:14 - apparently the temperature at casino boat HQ at time of recording is 69 degrees Fahrenheit. How appropriate 👌
Honest question. What happens when the US and China get in a shooting war and the US Navy starts turning the Straits of Malacca into a reef of Chinese oil tankers?
That would be a net positive for the coral reefs?
@@jwb_666 USN: No China. Those are now international coral reefs. We're happy to continue adding to them, though.
Ships go around... which increases fuel use, and may require using smaller ships, and thus all costs more, and slows everything down, so on and so forth.
And then the strait needs clearing out again afterwards.
First off, it would be a rather short shooting war... the USN is more powerful than all the other navies on the planet combined. Second off, China wouldn't get into a shooting war with the US because it would annihilate their economy overnight. What they might do is use proxies like Iran is kinda trying to do.... but I imagine they would be much better at it than Iran's current cluster-f**k
You wouldn’t need to attack the tankers themselves. If you disable the port facilities where they unload, you’ve effectively neutralized them without the mess. The US more or less did this in reverse when Iraq started pumping oil into the Persian Gulf.
I was looking at google earth, and it looks to me you kinda undersold the cuba part. The best deep draft area looks to be to the immediate south of cuba, where on the north if you have too much of a wave, you might run aground temporarily anywhere. it looks like there is a general zone that is almost good enough splitting the difference, but not seeing the full depths, and knowing tide can make that vary +- another 6-10 feet, it looks really shallow all thru there right out to the bahamas.
It's an odd part of your oceans.
Operation praying mantis comes to mind. Life is about to get "proportional"
The fishing boats violating Argentina's territorial waters and economic zone would be a good example?
Sure.
Good topic!!!!
Please do more videos like this on different things!!!!
Again, thank you!!!!
*Houthis finding out intensifies*
Great video.
The "O " used to represent Open
UNCLOS versus UN COT LOTS?
Thanks for the lesson Dockmaster, very informative.
Now to see how long my brain can remember it... Also, thanks UA-cam for NOT showing this video in any of my notifications or subscriptions or recommendations... Would not have seen it had I not checked into the SCS channel for a video to recommend to a friend...
UA-cam doing UA-cam things.
I really thought you were going to bring the Economic Exclusion Zone back around to the topic of the casino ships who are using that area for economic purposes without the permission of the country, which is why they went out past the 12 mile territorial waters mark in the first place.
Most of the casino vessels - and especially the ones in the United States, thanks to the Jones Act - are flagged under the country whose EEZ they're operating in.
You didn't mention it in your video but the contiguous zone visible in several of your images acts as a 'transitional space' between international waters and territorial waters, within which a country can still enforce laws related to customs and immigration.
Other UNCLOS fun facts:
-If a continental shelf extends past the 200 nautical mile limit for EEZ's, the country can get a continental shelf extension to their EEZ. The US just recently applied for such an extension that would add more than a million square miles to our total EEZ.
-EEZ's and territorial waters extend from any piece of territory of sufficient size, which can include small, otherwise inhospitable rocky islands. If you're wondering why countries will squabble a lot over seemingly worthless islands, this is why. This is a linchpin of China's strategy in claiming the nine-dash line in the South China Sea, through island-building in the Spratlys. This is also how the United States possesses the largest EEZ in the world, followed by France.
- The US has never ratified UNCLOS (deep-sea mineral bed rights continue to be a sticking point for Congress) and is thus not technically party to it, but voluntarily adheres to most of it. It is ironic that the US navy plays such an active role in freedom of navigation enforcement despite this.
I appreciate the coverage of such an incredibly important piece of international law. International maritime trade and maritime law is extremely impactful on basically everyone's lives, yet is largely invisible to most.
Other parts of UNCLOS or the Jones Act could make for interesting video topics in the future.
I learned about freedom of navigation from the film Iron Eagle!
At least that movie was good for something.
@@SacredCowShipyards Hey, it had a great soundtrack too :)
Is there anything saying that they can't taxes you?
How are they going to tax you if they don't have the authority to interfere with your trip?
@@boobah5643 taxes don't interfere with trips. Their just a service fee.
There's nothing saying they can.
@tssteelx And what happens if the ship doesn't pay for the 'service' of traveling through seas that you want to tax? You can either ignore it, at which point nobody else pays the tax (and everybody laughs at your impotence,) or you do something about it, in which case you interfere with the ship.
I would imagine wormholes, warp gates, and safely traversible spacial anomalies would function similarly to straits in space?
At least I haven't had to deal with many patrols or toll collectors on my back and forth trip from SCS and earth. Those compressors make fantastic cubes for dice. Though finding ships worth compressing is getting difficult in this space economy.
Dockmaster, you know i lot of information and laws about our planet.
Do you have any plans of invading Earth using your hired security company personnel?
* shifty eyes *.
I for one welcome our cubic overlord.
@@ErinPaletteEh, he can't be any worse then our current ones.
When considering what a certain "government" in the far east would do in war, just think what the most petty, selfish, head-up-the-ass decision they could make, and you got a good chance of being right.
Can we get this translated for the Yemeni?
The 'o' is in there to give the acronym a second vowel and make it pronounceable.
I suppose "UNCLOTS" might be too... problematic.
I dunno, UNCLS is pronounceable, as "uncles".
always a great day when SCS posts a vid.
Ding the learned something bell. More emphatically than usual because that was a hell of a 101 course.
Following it up, and trying to be as tactful as the Dockmaster: whatever you may feel, about any given cause, think about everything that's carried on international shipping.
Not just the clothes, or trinkets. Medicines, important parts for machines. *Food* .
When the Dockmaster says large parts of the world could just 'stop', that's literal in every sense of the word. Stop working, stop healing, stop eating. And then that one synonym of 'stop', if taken far enough. End.
I've seen a bunch of takes, good ones, on how best to make a point regarding this issue. Whatever point it is you want to make. Arguments about being aggressive in your answers to shipping interruption, versus being defensive about it. Attacking the problem or defending from it.
It's worth noting, if the people causing the problem, no matter their motivation, are motivated *enough*? It leads to explosions either way.
Now was the Montreux Convention incorporated into the UNCLOS, or does it still stand alone?
It's distinctly separate.
Ah easement laws. All must have travel access.
Although some of your nation states take that to absurd limits.
I'm sorry you don't want to visit our planet it's completely understandable we got cows though
Bold of you to assume there isn't interstaller poaching and animal trafficking for that sort of thing.
Hopefully we won't ever find out as cooler heads prevail
Sounds like one country needs to be reminded of how much weight they can throw around with massive corruption pressent. After all, massive corruption is like you got overburdened. You can no longer move quickly or fast travel. Oh, right, you can't fast travel in the first place. I imagine they will learn once the one their rival starts laying down the law though. It's what you get when you go into someone else's waters without a reason though.
If you block trade, people get cranky. If you, as another youtuber put it, "commit the cardinal sin of raising gas prices", then the US navy gets called in. The problem is usually sorted out shortly after.
Also explain to me how an 'Archipelagic nation' can build a baseline.
You know, it is rare for the humies to have a good idea. I might propose this on the next Galactic Council meeting.
1) An Empire owns the Sphere of influence (Enveloping any natural satellites of the planet) around any colonized planet.
If you colonize the satellite rather than the primary body of a planetary system (As is the case of Gas Giants) you gain ownership of the planetary System.
For example, by definition, the Humies would directly own Earth, Luna, and everything within 924,000 Km (Or 574,147 miles) from Earth.
2) An Economic Exclusion Zone exists for the entire Star System, including any uncolonized planets.
For example, the humies own all the Economic value of every planet, asteroid, and Moon within the Sol System.
Like with the humies and their water craft, if you wish to operate any mining outposts, H3 refineries and fuel depots, you need to do it with the express permission of the owners of the system.
2a) For a planet to be considered "Properly colonized," it needs to maintain a viable population of civilians no less than 100 thousand adults.
2b) Any outpost of a minimum of 10 thousand adults may apply for an economic exclusion zone. This is primarily to allow brand new colonies a chance to develop without threat of being outcompeted.
I enjoyed this primer on international maritime law. Unfortunately, it's hard to convince a non-state actor to follow international law when their intended targets have no intention of following international law either... Welcome to Earth, where our laws are confusing, and sometimes are only as binding as the paper they're written on, depending on who's playing today at the poker table where everyone cheats.
Territorial waters are like that Spartan saying about walls and tip of their spears etc...
If you can keep them off your shores and horizons, their your waters.
Also if you think you've never been graced with weird gambling shenanigans I'd like to remind you of Ryanair and their scratch cards...
Yeah. There’s also a saying about how a piece of land belongs to those that can defend it. That tends to change over time though.
@@markfergerson2145 true defending it, but does that also count an indiscriminate bombing campaign? And then proceeding to built your banks on top of it?
And then there is access to the black sea in which turkey has decided that despite the black sea being large enough to have international waters, Turkey has decreed that only ships flagged to nations that have sea ports within the black sea are permitted passage.
Control of Black Sea access has been a weapon for whoever owns the big city there since before it's citizens called it 'Byzantium.*' Those Johnny-come-latelies at the UN can suck it.
* And if you want to go older than that, control of that trade route was how Ilium, that is, Troy, got so wealthy, although Ilium was on a different site.
The Black Sea is a complicated topic by itself, if only because of the Montreux Convention.
is this dealing with the stuff in the Red Sea? I agree we should be treating it as an act of war i believe multiple Nations should be doing this. No matter if they support the other war that's going on in the Middle East or not most ships are being attacked despite What Nations flag they're flying with a few exceptions
The big point is the Red Sea thing isn't anything new. Another example is how the US destroyed half of Iran's navy in 8 hours. It almost always goes like this. A Country stops shipping. The US Navy sails ships through regardless. China make threats, but don't do anything. Iran and Iranian proxies either attack place mines for US military ships to hit. The USN proceeds to respond "Proportionally", by which I mean utterly destroying as much of that country's military they can in a work day.
There are more than the US protecting ships (and launching attacks on Huthi strongholds in Yemen). I know the Brits are there. I think a couple more European countries. (I think I remember hearing about French? Though I could be mistaken) I think I remember the Indian navy might be getting involved protecting commerce there as well.
@@Sembazuru yes where the other strong Navy's and NATO like Spain's armada the German navy, French Navy i mean okay they're not modern to the same standards as the Brits and the Americans but I'm pretty sure they can take the fight to to huthi pretty easily
Mmmm tasty territorial waters
One thing that's amusing is the fact that the issue of the internal waters of Canada in the Arctic is likely to see everyone de facto recognize it as internal waters of Canada and pay transit fees due to the fact that not doing so will mean no assistance if trouble arises since that infrastructure is expensive and the Canadian taxpayer will not pay it.
Barney style?
Sounds like you've been reading craig Alanson
Is the heart a confirmation?
Skippy's weird cousin, is that you?
The Houthi flag is a declaration of war.
The number of people I have personally met who know what 'cabotage' means.. I can count on one hand.
Explain to me Contiguous Zone 24nm
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Do not f*** with the boats
Casino boat = constantly losing money while at sea? Sounds like going on a cruise ship but for a shorter cruise.
The rules are even simpler than you say, those with power can enforce these rules against those the can over power and ignore them when it is to there benefit as well. Or, as the Athenians might say, "the strong do as the will, the weak suffer what they must." See, simple.
I've got bad news about how all laws on your planet are enforced.
From the shores of Tripoli, to Pearl Harbor, to the Suez, the US has always made it very clear, Do not touch our damn boats.
Japan tried that and we hit them with the sun...twice.
Freedom of Navigation Operations sort of prove there is one actual International Sea Law... the law of the bigger gun... this works well when it comes to Libya or even Russia... not so well with China *(who is both fairly powerful & trigger-happy).
I do believe in the value of international Laws, versus lawlessness in the said field, but I also believe that they very much rely on certain mutually agreed and mutually beneficent consensus of values. it is never a recipe for long-term stability & not always even possible to enforce international law if it is strongly counter to the interests of any powerful interest-group....
I've got some bad news about how most laws on your planet work.
@@SacredCowShipyards True
however, usually their stability (price of enforcement) depends a lot on the fact that the majority of people do not test that strength...
(thus those who challenge the law are held as a minority of madman)
when a lot of people try to test a laws strength, the law/ruler usually looses some of it's/his/her legitimacy. even if strength-wise his holds.
If you think the USA'ans are bad when you touch water that doesn't belong to you, then imagine what happens when you touch their boats
Iran found out how long eight hours or so can be.
Libya defended their country.
Alas, the empire was too strong.
The Bay of Sidra wasn't their country outside of 12 nautical miles off their shore.
@@SacredCowShipyards the empire took more.
Irrelevant to the video.
Yet again with the historical inaccuracies.
SC. The US DID loose things against Libya.
What about the shell casings, missile housings, fins, propellant, and most of all those poor innocent warheads that were part of the find out phase?
Sigh. Imma haveta fact check you more. Jeeez.
Lol
(/s in case the lol didn’t make it obvious)
@louiscarullo6034 Weapons have shelf life's, they have to be fired or dismantled in the end anyway. They would have been fired in a Shoot Ex eventually.
@@richardvernon317 sigh I’ll go add a /s. Sarcasm rarely translates without it -_-
@@louiscarullo6034 I know you were Joking ;)
@@richardvernon317 …it’s people like you what cause unrest.
And also who are you to play god with munitions. They can expire on their own time. xP
@@louiscarullo6034 No me, I did Air Defence for a living and have been in the Military. No a shittly little war gamer who lives in him Mothers basement. F*ck Off!!!
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Your hastily drawn world cartograph for straits and isthmus's lacks the cook and the foveaux straits of New Zealand, in fact as per meme regulations you've omitted New Zealand entirely last I checked we still freight by vessels of the sea for the most part from our three capital level cities (Wellington the capital proper, Christchurch importing and exporting sin since it's founding and Auckland aka tourist city)
New Zealand is a myth.
Hei, so I've been thinking, you're an AI right?
This sentence is false.
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