10:40 I hate being that guy but stasis on non warp vessels is a thing in Star Trek, key example being Khan and the Botany Bay in Space Seed which AFAIK was launched in the 1990s Edit: Spelling mistakes
@@nomoss9600 K'eylhar (or however you spell it) was mentioned by Dr. Crusher to have died too quickly to be put into stasis when Duras decided to commit Suicide by killing Worf's wife.
Matt Jefferies may not have been a scientist or an engineer. That said, a lot of his designs - both for the TV show and the films that followed - were very much informed by taking the time to think about how someone might actually live and work aboard a starship as he was creating them. Which makes the end result that much more impressive than just going all in on 'rule of cool' in my opinion.
And word on the street was that NASA intended to name the Columbia "Enterprise". But the political pressure of thousands upon thousands of Trekkie nerds mailing in actual letters forced NASA to name the shuttle never intended to go into space "Enterprise".
I'm pretty sure the Starship Enterprise is named after CV-6, not CVN-65, since Riddenberry's first choice was Yorktown, which was CV-5, and Enterprise's sister ship.
@@indetigersscifireview4360 Fun fact: 6 of the 12 people to walk on the moon were US Navy personnel at the time. Neil Armstrong was employed by NASA at the time of the moon landing, but his background was also with the US Navy.
In Australian history, a Schooner, built in Launceston, Tasmania named Enterprize was the first ship to land in what is now Melbourne - So Melbourne, Australia was discovered by tasmanian settlers on the Enterprize... which was the second tasmanian expedition to the area. The first was lead by John Batman... who wanted to call it Batmania.
technically... you left out a whole class of really ancient Ferengi ships called "Enterprise" when said through the universal translator. they were the consecutive lead-ship of one group in the four subclasses of frigates named after the four sacred-qualities in Ferengi society: "Greed", "Enterprise", "Thrift" & "Savviness"
In the literature (non-canon sadly, but it should be canon because it's fantastic!), the Ferengi call the Federation Starships Enterprise the Starship Business Venture.
There was also an early TNG episode where data recovered 3 humans found in an ancient stasis ship. Technically dead when put into stasis by issues that were easily fixed in the TNG eara when Dr Crusher revived them.
My uncle Q.D. served on the CV-6 Enterprise during WW2. I found a copy of "The Big E," which chronicles the trials and accomplishments of the ship and crew, in time to share with him.
There's: USS Enterprise (1775), a Continental Navy sloop captured from the British, burned to prevent recapture in 1777 USS Enterprise (1799), a schooner that fired the first shots in the First Barbary War USS Enterprise (1831), a schooner, stationed primarily in South America to patrol and protect commerce HMS Enterprise (1705), a 24-gun sixth rate, previously the French frigate L'Entreprise, captured in May 1705 HMS Enterprise (1709), a 44-gun fifth rate launched in 1709 HMS Enterprize (1743), an 8-gun sloop captured from the Spanish in 1743 USS Enterprise (CV-6), a Yorktown-class aircraft carrier commissioned in 1938 and sunk in 1942 USS Enterprise (CVN-65), the world's first nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, commissioned in 1961 and decommissioned in 2017 USS Enterprise (CVN-80), a Gerald R. Ford-class aircraft carrier currently under construction. - And then the space-going versions that have graced our screens (TV, movie, video game).
Star Trek has been predicting with some accuracy the course of future technological innovation for decades. Communicators have become cell phones, datapads have become tablets, replicators are advanced 3D printers, and so it goes.
Star Trek communicators are walkie-talkies; they're never shown as having anywhere near the capability of a cell phone (let alone a smartphone). Star Trek data pads are pieces of paper that require batteries; we don't see them do anything more than display plain text.
Not letting people cram in vehicles, that somebody scribbled a drawing of, on a cocktail napkin at the rear table of a dive bar at 3 AM on a Saturday night..... Wargaming, World of Tanks, and World of Warships just left the building...
Enterprise is a great name and word for a warship/ship of exploration. Enterprise means a project or undertaking, typically one that is difficult or requires effort.
One could almost get the impression from this that the name "Enterprise" is the "John/Jane Smith" of ships... Also I hold a tiny hope that one day, maybe, I get to see The Arcadia from the Captain Harlock anime and movies, especially the 2013 "I wanted to be in Warhammer 40K" version because that is a fun one ;-)
15:24 I imagine the reason you don't want to drop out of warp to turn, then jump back to warp speed is because going back and forth like that puts a lot of extra wear on the drive.
I think the US Navy appreciation for enterprise is due to the feats and accomplishments of CV-6 during WW2 at one point being the only US Navy carrier not sunk, and led to one of its mottos of "Enterprise vs Japan"
CV-3 USS _Saratoga_ also survived the war. She didn't earn anywhere near as many battle honors, because she kept getting torpedoed and sent back to the yards just before things heated up in-theater. CV-4 USS _Ranger_ survived too, but in a much less active role. It's telling that, as desperate as the USN was for CVs in the PTO from late 1942 through most of 1943, they never got desperate enough to send poor little _Ranger_ against Japan.
@Philistine47 fair, maybe I got my details mixed up, but I know she was at one point the only active US carrier in the Pacific theater with the CV-2 Lexington sunk, CV-5 Yorktown sunk, CV-7 Wasp sunk, CV-8 Hornet sunk, and Essex class not commissioned yet, I don't remember the details 100% but it may be CV-3 and CV-6 took turns for refit and repair. Though alot of CV-6s exploits was right place right time, being the first carrier to sink a fleet vessel, to being present for most major battles/events like Doolittle raid, midway, solomons, Guadalcanal, etc and incredible feats of repairs, and replenishment as well as being incredibly lucky being hidden under rain clouds and missing being attacked a few times. As well as being one of the first carriers equipped to do night ops.
The ring thing is interesting to me. A lifetime ago, I was a researcher, mathematician, and I would like to play around with star ship design, propulsion means, technology trees, and it all came down to one thing. I wont go into the boring stuff, but all of the Star Trek tech stems from one math equation (related to prime numbers) Anywho. One of the ships I envisioned would also have a set of rings, though they are not the engines. They are collectors, since, the warp bubble created would be smacking into a lot of stray particles, creating a mini singularity. And once you stopped, it would go big bang in front of you, obliterating your destination (and likely your ship!) So, the idea is to have collectors along the dip of the gravity well created by the warp bubble, and before particles would fall beyond the event horizon of this gravity well, you would have collectors to scoop up all those H2 atoms, and use them as fuel or this or that. I do imagine there would be some particles that did evade the collector, which is funny. In shows, ships would drop out of warp with a pretty flash of light. Very much like particles exploding into little tiny bits of quarks and other leptons. Anyone. This feels like a lifetime ago, when I actually was optimistic about our future and space flight. Now...we should be so lucky just to avoid nuclear annihilation.
8:33 Left top... I can see inspiration for Klingon and Romulan warbirds right there. Like... Bridge on the very long neck? D'deridex elliptical hull with space in the middle? ... Just look and you will see
My nephew joined the US Navy and as a fair weather trekkie, knowing of course I am a die hard Trekkie, had to text when he got to the building, in Illinois, 'I am basic training on the Enterprise!' He's now at the Florida training school. :)
Quite frankly, I'm impressed Star Trek was ever capable of generating designs that didn't have saucer sections and prominent warp nacelles on the sides. Well, I guess the Defiant didn't have a saucer section.
"The USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-M) was a Constitution-class starship museum, a tribute to the original USS Enterprise, launched in 2306." Star Trek Expanded Universe
"History will remember the name, Enterprise" "There will always be another Enterprise" Its a name that just has stuck with mankind, and I really do believe there will always be an Enterprise
The training halls at Great Lakes boot camp for the Navy are all named after ships. So the Enterprise at Great Lakes can be more accurately called "Enterprise Hall" but they make us act as if they are all actual ships, for obvious reasons.
Being completely oblivious to the contest, the first thought that ran through my head was "I wonder if this video is going to be about that obscure forgotten ring ship we see thrown in with the various other Enterprise models an painting we see from time to time. Lol!
I can just see two engineers at space dock, it's 2AM and both are wired on coffee and honey buns pouring over the schematics for the "ring" style engines the vulcans use, and the nacelle style engines Cochran used when first going to warp speed. Engineer 1: "So, the Vulcan ring engines are faster and safer and more energy efficient?" Engineer 2: "Yes, sir!" Engineer 1: "Do the Vulcan engines make the "zoom" sound?" Engineer 2: "No... No sir," Engineer 1: (Deletes all files for Vulcan ring engines)
I didn't know about this Enterprise. Now, I'm thinking I'll need to name a ship Enterprise in my Sci-fi IP. At some point it may get captured, and then people will be demanding Free Enterprise. Then I suppose I'll need to have something called the Invisible Hand rescue it, but I'm not sure if that should be a tractor beam, a stealthy tugboat, the name of a secret cabal or syndicate, or the name of a project that would otherwise be a heist story like Ocean's 11.
I saw a video once that postulated that the XCV-330 was a pre-WW3 Starship that left, did its mission, and when it returned the missiles had already unleashed the atomic horror, hence why it was lost for a while in the annals of history. It made for a compelling explanation as any that I've heard of...
Calling buildings/land bases ships (HMS/USS). For logistical/command reasons the British Royal Navy classes such bases as "Frigates", colloquially called "Stone Frigates". Yes, it's because it just makes the paperwork easier regards pay, command structure and supply etc. As this started before England and the US of A split, the US Navy kept following that tradition.
You should take a look at the big ships of the TOS and ENT eras. The NX-01 is the first ship to have the name of Enterprise, but that is during a time before the Federation of Planets was even founded, so yeah in a way. The Enterprise NCC-1701 is the first ship in the Federation to be built to carry the name. But it's nice that you gave the Enterprise XCV-330 before NX-01 was even built some love.
Weirdly voyager is the only series were see the modern federation use stasis pods outside medical stuff. But my theory on the ringy enterprise was it was a pre-first contact sublight ship that later got fitted with wrap drive and was first useful human interstella ship which is how i got gymnastied my around the cannon issues. The only franchise which can pull that level of inconsistence off and not feel like a mess is 40K , it was a massive issue with legends and extended beyond ships to characters changing heavily between books for no reason etc. Legends always need a full rewrite simply as so much pre-prequel content was way out of line with the hard cannon of the prequel movies.
My personal favorite version of the XCV-330 story is the one that said it was actually a _proto_ warpship that used subspace make the flight to Alpha Centauri in ~2 years while staving the annoying parts of relativistic travel. Which actually makes it fall in line with the IXS as a step along that same development path toward a functional warp drive. Not canon anymore sadly (if it ever truly was to begin with), but then (as noted) the IP holders don't care about actually making a cohesive story nearly as much as they care about how profitable the franchise is.
There where a few Enterprises that popped into my mind. The one made from wood. The WW2 one The Cold-war era one StarTreck ones. (Mainly the constitution class, and the A-J, then then the movie one)
Part of the problem with the Star Trek Universe was that there was almost 30 years between properties being produced. (Yes, I don't count the cartoons...). In the interim, you had James Blish and company producing the Logs for Del Rey (IIRC) with some.pretty crazy crossovers. Heck. Larry Niven's Kzinti and Slavers even show up in one. The only thing that probably stopped it from going full Black Library was Roddenberry getting the movies made. And then it was still a mess. BTW, I believe some of the the inspiration for the XCV came from early drawings of NASA or NACA rockets with annular fuel tanks and chemical rocket sections. However, who knows if missle chicken came before rocket egg?
Ah! The original original starship enterpirse acording to the motion picture. Very nice. I would have got that if the space ship bit was specified. It always struck me as a fascinating design, that was then rendered less fascinating by retcon when it turns out most vulcan ships look like that.
A ring or two around your ship is the logical and a practical basis for prejcting the spherical-ish warp field around a ship. Not ripping your ship apart during the build up of the warp field is easier with a symetrical placement of the warp projectors. Making this design fitting for "low" tech solution to mass usable warp drive.
i kind of want to see a series in the era between phoenix and nx01. one zephram cochrain, fed up with the heel dragging and delays of the warp program, steals a prototype and heads out on his own little star trek. a bipolar tequila sucking jaded rock'n'roll grognard of a captain with a misfit crew and no plan beyond seeing the next star. it would effectively be what enterprise tried to do before it fell back into the generic star trek mold. when i thought this up i figured it would be a warp 3 delta, but this ship could also work.
I think the better comparison would be rotary Wankel engines, yes they exist, yes they can be good in a VERY specific scenario, but they are an absolute pain in the ass at anything else. Vulcans humble bragging by running around with ship engines that require absolute precision and meticulous dedication to maintenance absolutely makes sense for them.
The "original" (if not truly original) CVN Enterprise is the shit, nothing will ever beat it. It has EIGHT reactors. What fancy starship you know of has eight reactors? Certainly none named Enterprise.
7:30 "was a gazebo" aaand now i have to do PRECISELY THAT. :D (no idea as to a timeline of when im gonna be able to build it, but now its on the to-do list.)
A question I've had for a long time but never bothered to ask. If the USS Enterprise NC 1701 was the first starship of her class built, shouldn't it be the "Enterprise" class instead of "Constitution" class? Or is there a USS Constitution flying around somewhere and that is never mentioned? I am speaking only in terms of TOS here, and I'm pretty sure somewhere it is stated that the Enterprise is the first Constitution class ship built. (Aside from it being the flagship, which is a different matter.)
I once read a book about that very point. IDK if it is still canon, heck, I can't even remember the name, but the gist was that the Enterprise was used for a secret mission in Romulan space while she still officially was not yet commissioned. That made the second ship of the class, the Constitution the first to be commissioned.
@@alfredkugler3043 I think it's more that whatever screen writer wrote the episode I'm vaguely remembering didn't understand Naval tradition. But you could still be right too. _Star Trek_ continuity is worse that comic book continuity.
I've recently heard a tale of 1701 being used for Enterprise because that is the (military) time that the C 5 7 D cruiser reached Altair 4 in the movie Forbidden Planet. J.J. Abrams commanding. I don't know if the tale is true or not. That's why NCC 1700 is available for the Constitution.
We Hughmees, correct my spelling at your own risk, have so many things to pick at, nits, scabs, mining caves, spelling. Please don't add to the list. This is a nice looking ship but her habitat section is too small for a crew of hundreds. I love the Enterprise we got in the original series. It doesn't give an eff about aerodynamics, fluid dynamics, or gravity. And yet she is beautiful in her design. To paraphrase Captain Christopher in Tomorrow Is Yesterday, thank you Matt Jeffries for the look ahead.
Dockmaster, I have a game suggestion for you. Children of a Dead Earth. It's an older game by now (released on Steam in 2016) but it's a space combat simulator where the Devs thought of what realistic space combat might look like without insane future tech. The game engine uses 3 body Newtonian physics (which makes for really funky orbital maneuvers at times), big radiators are a thing, you have your choice of kinetics, nukes, lasers, and so on (each with their own strengths and weaknesses), you have to be mindful of your Delta-V budget because you're rocking a reaction drive, etc. The game plays out more like a puzzle rather than some high-paced game in the vein of Star War but it's highly engrossing.
Ever since Star Trek... Well, a few years after at least l, ours have been referred to as "The Starship" im a bit bummed that the RN decommissioned H88 this year. Now... I miss a lot of the old side-canon. So many practical designs, and there's a great website you're probably aware of with a very good selection of practical 21st century designs.
Honestly, when you crossed out all the US and British Enterprises, I had thought you're going to talk about the French ship L'Entreprise, ya know, the one that gave the RN the name Enterprise
I feel like Enterprise is just a Name that will forever be used for 2 reason. First is because of WW2 and how USS Enterprise during that war was able to fight and make its way through that war. And second because of the name's definition. quite a few of the united states ships named Enterprise were made while certain concepts were still being worked out.(such as aircraft and nuclear reactors on a ship)
Star Trek's "Big Reset" was born out of an understanding of...let's call it "Trekkie love for the franchise and its details". Rather than try to account for more decades of material than anyone ever could have, they chose to make a *literal* Alternate Universe and set their stories there. The original timeline still exists, undisturbed and intact. Nothing is lost, and a new thing is gained. Whatever you think about those stories, the solution was smart, elegant, and outright poetic given how much of *all* of that (Alt. Universes, time travel shenanigans, fanfic) Star Trek is the founder or codifier of in popular culture. Star Wars' "reset" was born of spite, misplaced confidence and overwhelming greed. Disney has gone on to accomplish *literally almost less than nothing* with the result. I'm quoting Tycho of Penny Arcade, but it's true: every good thing to come out of Disney's use of the IP is derived directly from Legends. You could make an argument that Finn's character is an exception to this, but it's the *only* one if so. One change came from a place of understanding and care about the source material. The other came from executives shitting themselves, hooting and screeching at a page because they wanted a line to go up.
Yes sadly for long running series some times a nip and tuck is needed to clean up the cannon. I also 100% agree that Disney screwed up when they did it with Star Wars. Making the EU non-cannon is something that needed to happen as it was a jumbled mess. However they should have had someone sifting through that mountain of material so the gems could be worked back into the cannon while the bantha poodo was tossed. Instead they gave the IP now stripped down to the 6 movies to someone who hated the IP and they completely ignored the EU content for years.
I believe Disney did not want to credit any of the ideas in the EU. Since it's considered "nothing" no credit is given when ideas are taken from the Expanded Universe. Only books written after Disney owned it are credited and you get things like "Thrawn".
Just a little tidbit I remember from Voyager I'd like to share with the Dockmaster if I may is in the episode "The Thaw" Janeway mentions that suspended animation with cyberspace (how that f@#%ing works IDK) was used in the past. Which sounded more interesting than the killer clown but I digress. Have you done a episode on detachable drives? The hyperspace ring from Star Wars came to mind when you mentioned getting a shuttle up to speed but then again Star Trek had already done that with a warp sled. Cheers 👍🏻👍🏻
Is that Dread Gazebo on a grassy gnoll? Also thanks for the image of a bunch of human lab techs essentially going full pirate in Vulcan space lanes. Also also waiting for your next video about Star Wars being right about some weird detail.
I started to suspect when you talked about NX-01. I would like to say that the NX-01 wasn't a retcon, at least not in the traditional sense. Star Trek: Enterprise isn't a prequel to TOS. It's a sequel to First Contact. The concept of the NX-01 was that it was designed after Zephram Cochran saw the Enterprise E in his telescope, a change to history specifically caused by the Borg's attempt to stop First Contact. So, the actual idea is that NX-01 exists is that history changed. Edit: Wow! They really don't check their own writing when they make this merchandise! Star Trek: Voyager makes it clear YOU CAN'T TURN AT WARP SPEED! YOU MUST DROP OUT OF WARP TO MAKE COURSE ALTERATIONS! "But they've shown..." SPECIAL EFFECTS ARE NOT THE SAME AS ACTUAL EXPLANATIONS MADE IN THE SCRIPT!
An admittedly minor point ... "stasis" refers to suspension of time within an enclosed volume of space-time, while "suspended animation" (the interruption of biological functions) is an effect due primarily to induced hypothermia. In Star Trek terms, a "Slaver box" refers to a stasis field, and the "Space Seed" episode features an example of suspended animation.
I was thinking along the same lines. Now that the Kzinti are canon maybe the rest of Known Space is also. Which means stasis fields are canon. Perhaps used even in transporters.
I'll be one more to echo that while it wasn't made main-stream by the time of Kirk, Spock and Bones, stasis did exist. I point to the Botany Bay and Khan's people. They were found in cryo-sleep.
ill be honest the enterprise I thought of was the NX-01 but I also thought there might be one in some anime because i swear i remember reading it there. I also thought you might be refering to the Enterprise in the Star Carrier Book series which is a long ship mushroom shaped ship similiar to those in homeworlds garden of kadesh
I would rather not "rip it out and start over again" and go with some editing to try and explain it away. Like it started as a sub-light inter-solar colonial cruise ship. Then got an early warp engine (~2) to go to extra-solar colonies as well. Then got an upgraded warp engine (3.1) but was having performance issues while under warp. It was then getting out performed by new ships that were designed for warp capabilities and it just became obsolete as maintaining it and upgrading it became too costly compared to just replacement. Then when we finally found the similar ships the other race was using nerds, collectors, and history buffs that like the old ships thought it was neat how similar it was to theirs. Then normies misunderstood them and though there was desighn influance because they don't pay attention to history. Then you can just state some of the things published were wrong because of poorly informed writers of books stating popular falsehoods as facts which does happen all the time. This then also gives you wiggle room on other yet know issues as not everything is a strict honest narrator. A bit more realisem to it when what you're being told may be a lie.
Ahh~! You did forget one Enterprise, and it was literally an enterprise of it's own, and named for one of the multitude of ships called Enterprise, because the founder of the thing apparently served aboard the ship at some point or another.
Ya know what... I'll take it. I quite like the XCV Enterprise as one of those obscure and oft forgotten bits of Star Trek lore. If it can be squeezed into the universe as an early experimental warp ship that failed because of treknobabble reasons, then that works for me. I like the idea that Starfleet tried multiple technologies before landing on the ship designs we know and love. Could probably have had better treknobabble explaining it. But at least they tried I suppose lol.
10:40 I hate being that guy but stasis on non warp vessels is a thing in Star Trek, key example being Khan and the Botany Bay in Space Seed which AFAIK was launched in the 1990s
Edit: Spelling mistakes
Yeah it’s all over Star Trek. The ‘37s. Empok Nor. Hell the Borg regeneration stations were also stasis chambers.
Stasis pods are also a helpful thing for medical transport.
@@nomoss9600 K'eylhar (or however you spell it) was mentioned by Dr. Crusher to have died too quickly to be put into stasis when Duras decided to commit Suicide by killing Worf's wife.
If I don't give you squishies something to complain about, you'll nitpick about everything.
@@SacredCowShipyards Nonsense. We do even when you don't!
Matt Jefferies may not have been a scientist or an engineer. That said, a lot of his designs - both for the TV show and the films that followed - were very much informed by taking the time to think about how someone might actually live and work aboard a starship as he was creating them. Which makes the end result that much more impressive than just going all in on 'rule of cool' in my opinion.
You don‘t habe to be scientist, to base decisions in science.
Well the Enterprise in Star Trek is named after the Carrier but the space Shuttle is named after the Star Trek ship.
And word on the street was that NASA intended to name the Columbia "Enterprise". But the political pressure of thousands upon thousands of Trekkie nerds mailing in actual letters forced NASA to name the shuttle never intended to go into space "Enterprise".
I'm pretty sure the Starship Enterprise is named after CV-6, not CVN-65, since Riddenberry's first choice was Yorktown, which was CV-5, and Enterprise's sister ship.
@@Big_Loo I don't think that anybody thought otherwise.
@@m0rtez713Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home featured CVN-65, so I can see why some people may get confused.
@@torinnbalasar6774The funny thing is, USS Ranger (CV-61) was used in the movie for filming.
"No, sir. We cannot name it the Enterprise." -- Lt Col. Samantha Carter to Col. O'Neill on naming Earth's first Hyperdrive capable starship.
That's why the Air Force shouldn't be in charge of the Space Force. No sense of humor.
@@indetigersscifireview4360 Fun fact: 6 of the 12 people to walk on the moon were US Navy personnel at the time. Neil Armstrong was employed by NASA at the time of the moon landing, but his background was also with the US Navy.
In Australian history, a Schooner, built in Launceston, Tasmania named Enterprize was the first ship to land in what is now Melbourne - So Melbourne, Australia was discovered by tasmanian settlers on the Enterprize... which was the second tasmanian expedition to the area. The first was lead by John Batman... who wanted to call it Batmania.
He does get everywhere!🤔
Aussies could have been Batmen?
Seems reasonable.
That’s pretty cool
Mate. I am Batman.
Gotham is Melbourne. Batman's city. Look who founded it. Official!
The Snark is strong with this one. Impressive, most impressive. May the Smarm be with you.
technically... you left out a whole class of really ancient Ferengi ships called "Enterprise" when said through the universal translator. they were the consecutive lead-ship of one group in the four subclasses of frigates named after the four sacred-qualities in Ferengi society: "Greed", "Enterprise", "Thrift" & "Savviness"
In the literature (non-canon sadly, but it should be canon because it's fantastic!), the Ferengi call the Federation Starships Enterprise the Starship Business Venture.
There was also an early TNG episode where data recovered 3 humans found in an ancient stasis ship. Technically dead when put into stasis by issues that were easily fixed in the TNG eara when Dr Crusher revived them.
The Enterprise I like to think about is CV-6. The rest are just pretenders.
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Enterprise Vs Japan
What other Enterprise could ever live up to the name?
My uncle Q.D. served on the CV-6 Enterprise during WW2. I found a copy of "The Big E," which chronicles the trials and accomplishments of the ship and crew, in time to share with him.
Benedict Arnold would like a word...
There's:
USS Enterprise (1775), a Continental Navy sloop captured from the British, burned to prevent recapture in 1777
USS Enterprise (1799), a schooner that fired the first shots in the First Barbary War
USS Enterprise (1831), a schooner, stationed primarily in South America to patrol and protect commerce
HMS Enterprise (1705), a 24-gun sixth rate, previously the French frigate L'Entreprise, captured in May 1705
HMS Enterprise (1709), a 44-gun fifth rate launched in 1709
HMS Enterprize (1743), an 8-gun sloop captured from the Spanish in 1743
USS Enterprise (CV-6), a Yorktown-class aircraft carrier commissioned in 1938 and sunk in 1942
USS Enterprise (CVN-65), the world's first nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, commissioned in 1961 and decommissioned in 2017
USS Enterprise (CVN-80), a Gerald R. Ford-class aircraft carrier currently under construction.
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And then the space-going versions that have graced our screens (TV, movie, video game).
Star Trek has been predicting with some accuracy the course of future technological innovation for decades. Communicators have become cell phones, datapads have become tablets, replicators are advanced 3D printers, and so it goes.
Not necessarily "predicting"... Usually, it's more "inspiring" new technology.
Star Trek communicators are walkie-talkies; they're never shown as having anywhere near the capability of a cell phone (let alone a smartphone).
Star Trek data pads are pieces of paper that require batteries; we don't see them do anything more than display plain text.
Forget all that I just want a communicator from TNG
@@DrDiff952 Flip phone
This deep dive warms the nerdy part of my programming.
Just found your channel a few weeks ago. Must say I have been enjoying the content and the delivery of said content. Thank you good sir
Glad you enjoy it!
Not letting people cram in vehicles, that somebody scribbled a drawing of, on a cocktail napkin at the rear table of a dive bar at 3 AM on a Saturday night.....
Wargaming, World of Tanks, and World of Warships just left the building...
Enterprise is a great name and word for a warship/ship of exploration. Enterprise means a project or undertaking, typically one that is difficult or requires effort.
One could almost get the impression from this that the name "Enterprise" is the "John/Jane Smith" of ships...
Also I hold a tiny hope that one day, maybe, I get to see The Arcadia from the Captain Harlock anime and movies, especially the 2013 "I wanted to be in Warhammer 40K" version because that is a fun one ;-)
Engineer: It doesn't turn too good.
Earth Engineer: Hold my beer!
Stasis was a thing in the canon timeline, the original series, Khan Noonien Singh and the other Augments, is but one example of such.
It is a thing in TNG too. They mention it when Worf's wife died that she had too many wounds and died before they could "get her into stasis"
15:24 I imagine the reason you don't want to drop out of warp to turn, then jump back to warp speed is because going back and forth like that puts a lot of extra wear on the drive.
I'm still waiting for someone to invent Star Trek's most important tech: Tricorders.
they're getting close. Realistaclly, it could probably be done in a limited fashiom.
I think the US Navy appreciation for enterprise is due to the feats and accomplishments of CV-6 during WW2 at one point being the only US Navy carrier not sunk, and led to one of its mottos of "Enterprise vs Japan"
CV-3 USS _Saratoga_ also survived the war. She didn't earn anywhere near as many battle honors, because she kept getting torpedoed and sent back to the yards just before things heated up in-theater.
CV-4 USS _Ranger_ survived too, but in a much less active role. It's telling that, as desperate as the USN was for CVs in the PTO from late 1942 through most of 1943, they never got desperate enough to send poor little _Ranger_ against Japan.
@Philistine47 fair, maybe I got my details mixed up, but I know she was at one point the only active US carrier in the Pacific theater with the CV-2 Lexington sunk, CV-5 Yorktown sunk, CV-7 Wasp sunk, CV-8 Hornet sunk, and Essex class not commissioned yet, I don't remember the details 100% but it may be CV-3 and CV-6 took turns for refit and repair. Though alot of CV-6s exploits was right place right time, being the first carrier to sink a fleet vessel, to being present for most major battles/events like Doolittle raid, midway, solomons, Guadalcanal, etc and incredible feats of repairs, and replenishment as well as being incredibly lucky being hidden under rain clouds and missing being attacked a few times. As well as being one of the first carriers equipped to do night ops.
The ring thing is interesting to me. A lifetime ago, I was a researcher, mathematician, and I would like to play around with star ship design, propulsion means, technology trees, and it all came down to one thing. I wont go into the boring stuff, but all of the Star Trek tech stems from one math equation (related to prime numbers)
Anywho. One of the ships I envisioned would also have a set of rings, though they are not the engines. They are collectors, since, the warp bubble created would be smacking into a lot of stray particles, creating a mini singularity. And once you stopped, it would go big bang in front of you, obliterating your destination (and likely your ship!)
So, the idea is to have collectors along the dip of the gravity well created by the warp bubble, and before particles would fall beyond the event horizon of this gravity well, you would have collectors to scoop up all those H2 atoms, and use them as fuel or this or that. I do imagine there would be some particles that did evade the collector, which is funny. In shows, ships would drop out of warp with a pretty flash of light. Very much like particles exploding into little tiny bits of quarks and other leptons.
Anyone. This feels like a lifetime ago, when I actually was optimistic about our future and space flight. Now...we should be so lucky just to avoid nuclear annihilation.
8:33 Left top... I can see inspiration for Klingon and Romulan warbirds right there. Like... Bridge on the very long neck? D'deridex elliptical hull with space in the middle? ... Just look and you will see
The upshot being... pick your favorite Star Trek history and hold onto it w/ a death grip. Me? I like FASA
My nephew joined the US Navy and as a fair weather trekkie, knowing of course I am a die hard Trekkie, had to text when he got to the building, in Illinois, 'I am basic training on the Enterprise!' He's now at the Florida training school. :)
Now I want a movie about a bunch of scientists trying to steal a warp capable ship.
Right?
The NX-01 was decommissioned before the Federation was established. This was established in the ENT finale. Great video, DM!
Naturally, Star Trek is also contradictory as to when the Federation actually formed.
@@SacredCowShipyards Yeah, accusing Star Trek of continuity violations is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500...
Quite frankly, I'm impressed Star Trek was ever capable of generating designs that didn't have saucer sections and prominent warp nacelles on the sides. Well, I guess the Defiant didn't have a saucer section.
"The USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-M) was a Constitution-class starship museum, a tribute to the original USS Enterprise, launched in 2306." Star Trek Expanded Universe
"History will remember the name, Enterprise"
"There will always be another Enterprise"
Its a name that just has stuck with mankind, and I really do believe there will always be an Enterprise
The training halls at Great Lakes boot camp for the Navy are all named after ships.
So the Enterprise at Great Lakes can be more accurately called "Enterprise Hall" but they make us act as if they are all actual ships, for obvious reasons.
I was thinking of CV(N)-6, USS Enterprise.
Being completely oblivious to the contest, the first thought that ran through my head was "I wonder if this video is going to be about that obscure forgotten ring ship we see thrown in with the various other Enterprise models an painting we see from time to time. Lol!
They do have stasis in Star Trek, even way back in the pre-federation past, that's how they found Khan
OK You got me, Right up to the end, I was holding out hope for a 'space shuttle' piece.
I can just see two engineers at space dock, it's 2AM and both are wired on coffee and honey buns pouring over the schematics for the "ring" style engines the vulcans use, and the nacelle style engines Cochran used when first going to warp speed.
Engineer 1: "So, the Vulcan ring engines are faster and safer and more energy efficient?"
Engineer 2: "Yes, sir!"
Engineer 1: "Do the Vulcan engines make the "zoom" sound?"
Engineer 2: "No... No sir,"
Engineer 1: (Deletes all files for Vulcan ring engines)
I didn't know about this Enterprise. Now, I'm thinking I'll need to name a ship Enterprise in my Sci-fi IP. At some point it may get captured, and then people will be demanding Free Enterprise. Then I suppose I'll need to have something called the Invisible Hand rescue it, but I'm not sure if that should be a tractor beam, a stealthy tugboat, the name of a secret cabal or syndicate, or the name of a project that would otherwise be a heist story like Ocean's 11.
I saw a video once that postulated that the XCV-330 was a pre-WW3 Starship that left, did its mission, and when it returned the missiles had already unleashed the atomic horror, hence why it was lost for a while in the annals of history. It made for a compelling explanation as any that I've heard of...
Calling buildings/land bases ships (HMS/USS). For logistical/command reasons the British Royal Navy classes such bases as "Frigates", colloquially called "Stone Frigates". Yes, it's because it just makes the paperwork easier regards pay, command structure and supply etc. As this started before England and the US of A split, the US Navy kept following that tradition.
The "So Crazy It Just Might Work" energy that keeps bureaucracies running is a sight to behold.
They he said "well damn" at end had me laughing way harder than it probably should have 😂
I really love your snarky delving into the anals of sci fi lore and real world idiocy. Keep it up!
Glad you enjoy!
You should take a look at the big ships of the TOS and ENT eras. The NX-01 is the first ship to have the name of Enterprise, but that is during a time before the Federation of Planets was even founded, so yeah in a way. The Enterprise NCC-1701 is the first ship in the Federation to be built to carry the name. But it's nice that you gave the Enterprise XCV-330 before NX-01 was even built some love.
Anular drives may look nice, but they'll never take over... Everyone knows cube drives are the future.
I mean, to be fair now the name has really earned some cred for inspiring people so it's understandable now.
Big E (CV-6) made one hell of a legend for herself.
Well, have you talked about CV-6 yet, the only Enterprise that matters.
Thems fightin words… imma get my popcorn and watch 🍿
Using the prefix SS for a starship is really quite funny and makes perfect sense at the same time
So many Enterprises. And a few Enterprizes.
Weirdly voyager is the only series were see the modern federation use stasis pods outside medical stuff. But my theory on the ringy enterprise was it was a pre-first contact sublight ship that later got fitted with wrap drive and was first useful human interstella ship which is how i got gymnastied my around the cannon issues.
The only franchise which can pull that level of inconsistence off and not feel like a mess is 40K , it was a massive issue with legends and extended beyond ships to characters changing heavily between books for no reason etc. Legends always need a full rewrite simply as so much pre-prequel content was way out of line with the hard cannon of the prequel movies.
My personal favorite version of the XCV-330 story is the one that said it was actually a _proto_ warpship that used subspace make the flight to Alpha Centauri in ~2 years while staving the annoying parts of relativistic travel. Which actually makes it fall in line with the IXS as a step along that same development path toward a functional warp drive.
Not canon anymore sadly (if it ever truly was to begin with), but then (as noted) the IP holders don't care about actually making a cohesive story nearly as much as they care about how profitable the franchise is.
I recall this story as well, but could not find any documentation on it.
Clearly I will never get a free ad run on this channel. However, if I did, it would 100% be an ad for OpenTTD.
There where a few Enterprises that popped into my mind.
The one made from wood.
The WW2 one
The Cold-war era one
StarTreck ones. (Mainly the constitution class, and the A-J, then then the movie one)
Part of the problem with the Star Trek Universe was that there was almost 30 years between properties being produced. (Yes, I don't count the cartoons...). In the interim, you had James Blish and company producing the Logs for Del Rey (IIRC) with some.pretty crazy crossovers. Heck. Larry Niven's Kzinti and Slavers even show up in one. The only thing that probably stopped it from going full Black Library was Roddenberry getting the movies made. And then it was still a mess.
BTW, I believe some of the the inspiration for the XCV came from early drawings of NASA or NACA rockets with annular fuel tanks and chemical rocket sections. However, who knows if missle chicken came before rocket egg?
Ah! The original original starship enterpirse acording to the motion picture.
Very nice. I would have got that if the space ship bit was specified.
It always struck me as a fascinating design, that was then rendered less fascinating by retcon when it turns out most vulcan ships look like that.
A ring or two around your ship is the logical and a practical basis for prejcting the spherical-ish warp field around a ship. Not ripping your ship apart during the build up of the warp field is easier with a symetrical placement of the warp projectors. Making this design fitting for "low" tech solution to mass usable warp drive.
If the USS Enterprise building had been a gazebo then it would have been constantly angry!
As far as stasis not being a thing in Trek, don't forget the Botany Bay!
i kind of want to see a series in the era between phoenix and nx01. one zephram cochrain, fed up with the heel dragging and delays of the warp program, steals a prototype and heads out on his own little star trek. a bipolar tequila sucking jaded rock'n'roll grognard of a captain with a misfit crew and no plan beyond seeing the next star. it would effectively be what enterprise tried to do before it fell back into the generic star trek mold. when i thought this up i figured it would be a warp 3 delta, but this ship could also work.
7:36 Ah, I see you too are a man of culture.
I think the better comparison would be rotary Wankel engines, yes they exist, yes they can be good in a VERY specific scenario, but they are an absolute pain in the ass at anything else. Vulcans humble bragging by running around with ship engines that require absolute precision and meticulous dedication to maintenance absolutely makes sense for them.
i wouldnt have ever guessed the XCV because i so rarely encounter anyone talking about it i usually just assume noone does know of it
The "original" (if not truly original) CVN Enterprise is the shit, nothing will ever beat it. It has EIGHT reactors. What fancy starship you know of has eight reactors? Certainly none named Enterprise.
imagine a war...in administration..a reactivated historian gets a note...'they abou to launch the enterprise'
7:30 "was a gazebo"
aaand now i have to do PRECISELY THAT. :D
(no idea as to a timeline of when im gonna be able to build it, but now its on the to-do list.)
Enterprise rent a car, was named after the carrier (CV6) enterprise that the owner served on in ww2
A question I've had for a long time but never bothered to ask. If the USS Enterprise NC 1701 was the first starship of her class built, shouldn't it be the "Enterprise" class instead of "Constitution" class? Or is there a USS Constitution flying around somewhere and that is never mentioned? I am speaking only in terms of TOS here, and I'm pretty sure somewhere it is stated that the Enterprise is the first Constitution class ship built. (Aside from it being the flagship, which is a different matter.)
I once read a book about that very point. IDK if it is still canon, heck, I can't even remember the name, but the gist was that the Enterprise was used for a secret mission in Romulan space while she still officially was not yet commissioned. That made the second ship of the class, the Constitution the first to be commissioned.
@@alfredkugler3043 I think it's more that whatever screen writer wrote the episode I'm vaguely remembering didn't understand Naval tradition. But you could still be right too. _Star Trek_ continuity is worse that comic book continuity.
I've recently heard a tale of 1701 being used for Enterprise because that is the (military) time that the C 5 7 D cruiser reached Altair 4 in the movie Forbidden Planet. J.J. Abrams commanding. I don't know if the tale is true or not. That's why NCC 1700 is available for the Constitution.
We Hughmees, correct my spelling at your own risk, have so many things to pick at, nits, scabs, mining caves, spelling. Please don't add to the list.
This is a nice looking ship but her habitat section is too small for a crew of hundreds.
I love the Enterprise we got in the original series. It doesn't give an eff about aerodynamics, fluid dynamics, or gravity. And yet she is beautiful in her design. To paraphrase Captain Christopher in Tomorrow Is Yesterday, thank you Matt Jeffries for the look ahead.
I'm sure that I've heard radio chatter in the backgroud referring to Constitution, but darn if I can place it right now.
9:00 So so i can see Vulcan and Romulan ships in those early pictures.
Dockmaster, I have a game suggestion for you. Children of a Dead Earth. It's an older game by now (released on Steam in 2016) but it's a space combat simulator where the Devs thought of what realistic space combat might look like without insane future tech. The game engine uses 3 body Newtonian physics (which makes for really funky orbital maneuvers at times), big radiators are a thing, you have your choice of kinetics, nukes, lasers, and so on (each with their own strengths and weaknesses), you have to be mindful of your Delta-V budget because you're rocking a reaction drive, etc. The game plays out more like a puzzle rather than some high-paced game in the vein of Star War but it's highly engrossing.
Ever since Star Trek... Well, a few years after at least l, ours have been referred to as "The Starship" im a bit bummed that the RN decommissioned H88 this year.
Now... I miss a lot of the old side-canon. So many practical designs, and there's a great website you're probably aware of with a very good selection of practical 21st century designs.
I'm naming everything Enterprise from now on: The Dog Enterprise..
Wonderful episode- Still wanna see you tear apart a Dieselpunk ship.
Talk about Nebulous: Fleet Command
The Anular Warp Drive was Dead End due to Not Being CUBE.
Accurate.
Honestly, when you crossed out all the US and British Enterprises, I had thought you're going to talk about the French ship L'Entreprise, ya know, the one that gave the RN the name Enterprise
I would love a lore video on the USS Never Sail.
I feel like Enterprise is just a Name that will forever be used for 2 reason. First is because of WW2 and how USS Enterprise during that war was able to fight and make its way through that war. And second because of the name's definition. quite a few of the united states ships named Enterprise were made while certain concepts were still being worked out.(such as aircraft and nuclear reactors on a ship)
Yay! My favorite Enterprise!
Good one. I had the Spaceflight Chronology. It is probably still at my folks' house.
Star Trek's "Big Reset" was born out of an understanding of...let's call it "Trekkie love for the franchise and its details". Rather than try to account for more decades of material than anyone ever could have, they chose to make a *literal* Alternate Universe and set their stories there.
The original timeline still exists, undisturbed and intact. Nothing is lost, and a new thing is gained.
Whatever you think about those stories, the solution was smart, elegant, and outright poetic given how much of *all* of that (Alt. Universes, time travel shenanigans, fanfic) Star Trek is the founder or codifier of in popular culture.
Star Wars' "reset" was born of spite, misplaced confidence and overwhelming greed. Disney has gone on to accomplish *literally almost less than nothing* with the result. I'm quoting Tycho of Penny Arcade, but it's true: every good thing to come out of Disney's use of the IP is derived directly from Legends.
You could make an argument that Finn's character is an exception to this, but it's the *only* one if so.
One change came from a place of understanding and care about the source material. The other came from executives shitting themselves, hooting and screeching at a page because they wanted a line to go up.
Yes sadly for long running series some times a nip and tuck is needed to clean up the cannon. I also 100% agree that Disney screwed up when they did it with Star Wars.
Making the EU non-cannon is something that needed to happen as it was a jumbled mess. However they should have had someone sifting through that mountain of material so the gems could be worked back into the cannon while the bantha poodo was tossed. Instead they gave the IP now stripped down to the 6 movies to someone who hated the IP and they completely ignored the EU content for years.
I believe Disney did not want to credit any of the ideas in the EU. Since it's considered "nothing" no credit is given when ideas are taken from the Expanded Universe. Only books written after Disney owned it are credited and you get things like "Thrawn".
As to ring warp designs from Star Trek Lower Decks the Vulcans are still using them
Just a little tidbit I remember from Voyager I'd like to share with the Dockmaster if I may is in the episode "The Thaw" Janeway mentions that suspended animation with cyberspace (how that f@#%ing works IDK) was used in the past. Which sounded more interesting than the killer clown but I digress.
Have you done a episode on detachable drives? The hyperspace ring from Star Wars came to mind when you mentioned getting a shuttle up to speed but then again Star Trek had already done that with a warp sled.
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Is that Dread Gazebo on a grassy gnoll?
Also thanks for the image of a bunch of human lab techs essentially going full pirate in Vulcan space lanes.
Also also waiting for your next video about Star Wars being right about some weird detail.
1:32 I would of chosen to promote Barotrauma
I started to suspect when you talked about NX-01. I would like to say that the NX-01 wasn't a retcon, at least not in the traditional sense. Star Trek: Enterprise isn't a prequel to TOS. It's a sequel to First Contact. The concept of the NX-01 was that it was designed after Zephram Cochran saw the Enterprise E in his telescope, a change to history specifically caused by the Borg's attempt to stop First Contact. So, the actual idea is that NX-01 exists is that history changed.
Edit: Wow! They really don't check their own writing when they make this merchandise! Star Trek: Voyager makes it clear YOU CAN'T TURN AT WARP SPEED! YOU MUST DROP OUT OF WARP TO MAKE COURSE ALTERATIONS! "But they've shown..." SPECIAL EFFECTS ARE NOT THE SAME AS ACTUAL EXPLANATIONS MADE IN THE SCRIPT!
I feel like "Intrepid" might be the second most prolific names. Endeavor, maybe?
An admittedly minor point ... "stasis" refers to suspension of time within an enclosed volume of space-time, while "suspended animation" (the interruption of biological functions) is an effect due primarily to induced hypothermia. In Star Trek terms, a "Slaver box" refers to a stasis field, and the "Space Seed" episode features an example of suspended animation.
I was thinking along the same lines. Now that the Kzinti are canon maybe the rest of Known Space is also. Which means stasis fields are canon. Perhaps used even in transporters.
Stasis exists in the stat trek multivariate, that's how khan and his infamous crew survived.
I'll be one more to echo that while it wasn't made main-stream by the time of Kirk, Spock and Bones, stasis did exist. I point to the Botany Bay and Khan's people. They were found in cryo-sleep.
ill be honest the enterprise I thought of was the NX-01 but I also thought there might be one in some anime because i swear i remember reading it there. I also thought you might be refering to the Enterprise in the Star Carrier Book series which is a long ship mushroom shaped ship similiar to those in homeworlds garden of kadesh
I would rather not "rip it out and start over again" and go with some editing to try and explain it away.
Like it started as a sub-light inter-solar colonial cruise ship. Then got an early warp engine (~2) to go to extra-solar colonies as well.
Then got an upgraded warp engine (3.1) but was having performance issues while under warp.
It was then getting out performed by new ships that were designed for warp capabilities and it just became obsolete as maintaining it and upgrading it became too costly compared to just replacement.
Then when we finally found the similar ships the other race was using nerds, collectors, and history buffs that like the old ships thought it was neat how similar it was to theirs. Then normies misunderstood them and though there was desighn influance because they don't pay attention to history.
Then you can just state some of the things published were wrong because of poorly informed writers of books stating popular falsehoods as facts which does happen all the time.
This then also gives you wiggle room on other yet know issues as not everything is a strict honest narrator. A bit more realisem to it when what you're being told may be a lie.
Drat, I was expecting CV(N)-6.
I was thinking of OV-101 which if you were listing them in order of decreasing note means i got pretty close :3
If I was in the discord I would of definitely got this
Mr sacred cow, how can you do a non star trek enterprise and it NOT be uss grey ghost, big e, lucky e, ww2 cv6 enterprise
Never mind
Ahh~! You did forget one Enterprise, and it was literally an enterprise of it's own, and named for one of the multitude of ships called Enterprise, because the founder of the thing apparently served aboard the ship at some point or another.
I suppose the name is part of a popular enterprise....
Ya know what... I'll take it. I quite like the XCV Enterprise as one of those obscure and oft forgotten bits of Star Trek lore. If it can be squeezed into the universe as an early experimental warp ship that failed because of treknobabble reasons, then that works for me. I like the idea that Starfleet tried multiple technologies before landing on the ship designs we know and love. Could probably have had better treknobabble explaining it. But at least they tried I suppose lol.
Canon?
WE don't need no stinking canon!
_I may not know what I'm doing but I know I'm doing it really well._
- Every Star Trek writer after Dixie Fontana, probably
Quick a space wizard blast him !