Most Hated Side Character EVER
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- Опубліковано 12 сер 2023
- In todays video I talk about the evilest of evils, Amber from invincible and also Lois Lane. Hope you enjoyed watching I hope I made you laugh.
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My jaw dropped when Mark and Amber reunited in the last episode and Amber said 'I guess we both got lied to.'
Because her getting her ego bruised is the exact same thing as Mark learning his dad is a genocidal alien conqueror, who beat him into a bloody pulp.
White men do not know how to write black female characters
And used him to murder a shitload of people, don't forget that.
Even after Mark just had his whole entire world flipped upside down, found out his father the man he looked up to so much is a genocidal killer then got his FACE smashed into a pile of goop by said father…
She still manages to somewhat make it about her.
@@freddymcshreddy6586 Modern Millennial girls, dude. Haven't you seen them? Rachel Ziegler, Jenna Ortega have no filter and they pretty much grew up on social media and having opinions and centering their experience. Where have you been?
@@suzygirl1843not the same thing were have you been
"I'd forgive Omni man before I forgive Amber" is a wild statement, and one I stand by
White Supremacist over a blskc woman. Makes sense. The world is racist
Omi man at least is meant to be evil and we sympathize with him when he's with his son
Amber is meant to be sympathized with despite being in the wrong
@@lumityviktuuristanartist4100 I'll state it this way. Imagine Omni-Man is Julius Malema, right? Go watch his clips; he's popular in South Africa, black people LOVE him. White people hate him to the bone and he might win elections in 2024. Amber = Elon Musk. South Africans don't tolerate Elon Musk. He's poorly received since he probably benefitted from Aparthied system.
Invincible is a story about Colonization, as I've heard it, right? Omni-man is getting the planet ready for a takeover? Let's imagine Julius Malema being written that way in a heroic light. Amber may be annoying but she was also never gonna end up with Mark, right? Elon Musk is an annoyance to South Africans and they don't want him around.
@@lumityviktuuristanartist4100 Regardless of how annoying people may find Amber, she was written to be disposable. And I think Seth didn't realize how much vitriol her character would receive. Eve and Mark are drawn together by how shitty people treat them, right? Their trauma from their parents and exes.
I’ve read the comics..
And you will
"annoying characters are worse than villains" is so fucking real dude
When I read this I think of Skyler from Breaking Bad..
Fr@@_OpFor
Sometimes genocidal war maniacs are more likable than a bitchy toxic partner
yeah cus villains dont appear in every episode, the main characters best friend is in pretty much every single one
They made the character black and then the most hated character is pretty wild. I am no SJW, but what were they up to?
Mark has better chemistry with Eve anyways.
And eve is a LOT better at not dying.
@@guardian_ironworksAnd a lot more attractive + has real hair + will be a good mom that doesn’t seperate mark from his child and make him pay for child support
Fax
@@isaakhall8538lol ok so you just hate amber because your racist lol bro it a cartoon character relax
@@metfofo9190 I’m not racist I have a Mexican friend and have a black teacher that I get along with
When Amber is finally revealed to be a horrible person - I'm okay with it. It isn't that much of a shock to me. Awful people like her actually exist.
When Mark goes to Atom Eve to seek support about his abusive girlfriend, and Eve tells Mark that HE WAS WRONG. That's when I knew the writers were actually trying to shove Amber's toxic motives down our throats. Disgusting.
Thing is amber in the comics and amber in the cartoon are vastly different. When Amber in the comics figures out mark is invincible she initially thinks he is a cowardly drug dealer until it clicks and she asks him straight up. When Mark admits it and tells her she comforts him. However the secrecy, risk and drama becomes too much and they sadly break up as Amber falls out of love with Mark. Even then later on Mark still will come to her call whenever she needs a friend/protector and confides with him when her relationship with another person turns abusive.
In the comics when Eve is telling Mark he was wrong, it is because they had a fight about how mark "abondons" her during an attack (to change into invincible) and how she is THE ONLY PERSON in his in group where to not know his secret. Outside of the superficial changes to amber most of the cartoon follows the comics word for word.
I can kind of see it to be honest; Mark's the only one who knows about the conversation in her bedroom and when you take that part out of it, she was at least right to be upset. The scenario looked AWFUL from that perspective, from multiple angles.. Then she pulls that card out of her ass from pure spite and condescension, and now Mark looks like an ass to everyone who knows them while she gets off scott free.
Goddamn I hate this version of Amber.
I knew Amber was trash when Mark's gay friend was telling him what kind of books she liked to read. The stuff she was into were all huge red flags.
@@RedFail1-1 Did you.. Did you watch that scene?
My brother in christ we're mad because she "Knew the whole time." Which means she was either
A. Lying to protect her ego in the moment and felt the need to kick Mark in the dick in the process
Or B. She gaslit the FUCK out of him during that college trip, possibly even well before, because she lied to his face saying the problem was she didn't know where he was when he couldn't keep an appointment to save his life.
Mark's no saint, but Amber comes to the playing field with actual malicious intent here.
@@RedFail1-1 Holy shit, an Amber defender! I didn't think they actually existed.
Eve insisting Amber was in the right is particularly offensive because SHE was the one that told Mark that revealing his identity to Amber was a massive risk.
What do you expect? Accountability from WOMEN?!
@@RobinMcBeth☕️☕️☕️☕️☕️
Well Eve is white and Amber is black… saying blacks people are wrong about anything nowadays is “racist” because reasons.
@@kaj7135 tell me you live on the internet without telling me you live on the internet. Nobody cares about race, except you, it's just bad writing
@@kaj7135I mean bloody hell, if you had to see any of the hate comments videos like this one get for calling Amber out.😂
Season 2 is such a drastic departure, the writers trying so bad to fix the mistake instead of just cutting it off so we gotta go through 7 episodes of Mark not being there and her being absurdly understanding out of nowhere
For real man, felt super unnatural. You can't just fix a character that way, should've just made them break up honestly
You guys in the comments are such haters that the actual concept of growth and character development makes people bad writers lmao
@@walmanthegreat Except there's no actual development occurring...growth without development is bad writing
She’s not though, she’s just burying her emotions now but she’s too afraid of how breaking up with a superhero because he saves people too often makes you look. She loves the ideals mark has but not the reality of acting on them. He’s everything she wants to be, a person who literally makes the world a better place on a daily basis. She doesn’t realise that’s she’s building resentment for exactly the lifestyle she’s learning to do. Politicians (the hardworking ones) have mediocre family lives because there is always another phone call or meeting or piece of legislation to review and amend. They’re too much the same person, mark was a kid with a hero complex who when came into power was faced with corruptive thought and motivation. Amber will face the same factors when she actually gets into politics for work. But I don’t think she has the temperament to accept that she could be corruptible.
@@user-dd8ws5uq7u they’re literally the same thing lmao 😂 you just hate shawty and no amount of change will fix that
meanwhile... the Amber of another reality: *"yeah, Mark is dead and the viltrumites conquered our planet but MY SOUP!"*
but amber from the comic is really nice she was happy he is not a drug dealer and she understand saving the world and super-hero thing is more important than her mark is the @sshole in the comic mark kissed eve while he was still with Amber from the comic
@@JackLeblanc-ec6bt That literally makes more sense for an arc. I wonder why they changed it so much. I was a bit weirded out because I thought they were going for the toxic girlfriend angle until all of Mark's friends started dogpiling him on the subject. It was so off-putting that nobody in universe could empathize with Mark. The most recent season with the breakup made sense, and I wish they'd played more on that from the beginning. That, superheroes can't risk endangering the ones they love(But amped up to eleven with the viltrumites), but it just felt so hollow after everything else.
I just wanna know why no one else on the team pointed out that making Amber know and having her act like such a bitch was a bad idea.
i think it wasnt necesarily a bad move to have annoying characters, but having every other person agree with her is where they went wrong. simply frustrating to watch.
Made worse because it was an active decision since in the comics she was a lot more reasonable and didn't know thus making her complaints reasonable.
@@qwefg3 The main writer from the comics, Rob Kirkman also wrote for the show, so the decision def went by him. But it's more likely the writers didn't want this at all and they were forced to by whoever pays them.
@@COMMANDR.0ID definitely forced...thats the ONLY reasonable explanation
@@COMMANDR.0ID and I wouldn't be surprised if this was his idea, since Kirkman turned full woke in resent years, and haven't wrote anything good for a while now (with The Walking Dead turning into crap after All Out War).
"You made me feel unimportant!" "That's because you are!"
Absolutely this. By wanting Mark to prioritize her over SAVING LIVES, it implies she thinks her satisfaction and ego is worth more than the lives of innocent people.
It's a classic trait of narcissism.
He said "BITCH cuz you are!"
I think the thing that made her feel unimportant was the fact he was keeping such a huge secret from her, as opposed to telling her.
@@1001011011010 because revealing his identity could put her in danger. Glad we sorted this out lolol
@@AllThingsEntertaining yeah obviously Mark had his own reasons
But I guess Amber probably thought they had been close enough to be more open about the truth by this point
Iris: "You're not the Flash, Barry. We are."
Amber somehow made Iris look good. God damn!
DAMMNN THATS CRAZY
Amber was one of my favorites and then she hit mark with the "I'm not stupid I've known for weeks" and I got whiplash from how quickly i went from liking her to hating her.
Why Mark is dating Amber when Atom Eve is standing right fucking there is beyond belief to me.
Soon he'll go to eve
Idk why but for some reason they race swapped Amber and changed her personality in the show. Comics Amber isn't as insufferable as show Amber.
Ambers better
He does
Hell Allen the alien would be a better choice than Amber.
I watched this series with my dad and what killed me was that every time Amber did something irrational or selfish, my dad would say: "of course she did that, she's a woman"
The writers tried to challenge stereotypes so much that they made a negative stereotype the character
common dad w
@@ndunsimbi7901you gotta respect the dad
My black fiance hated amber. She raged against her. Who are they writing these characters for?
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@@connorsousa7448
Common incel L
shes well written in season 2. she struggles with the lack of time they get together and how she can’t really live in his super hero world and instead of being mad at him she feels like shes failing him which makes more sense than her being so annoying.
This was the direction that her character went in the comics and it's what I complained about the most in season 1. The fact that this was replaced with her being like super entitled and angry at Mark is such a baffling decision. As much as I prefer how she was depicted in season 2, I honestly wish they had just stayed broken up instead of wasting a whole season on their relationship drama when we all know Mark ends up with Eve in the end anyway.
@@comicdans7732 yea her feeling upset because mark is never around makes sense but her being a bitch and getting mad at mark for prioritizing life saving over dates js made me hate her as a character
@@comicdans7732 Believe it or not, not everyone reads the comics
@redlightg27 Yeah that's why I thought it would be helpful to point out that they're following the comics closer now, for those who haven't read it.
@@comicdans7732 my point is for the last part of your comment. You said we all know that Mark ends up with Eve since we read the comics and that somehow makes the season "wasted." I'm just pointing out it's not wasted for those who haven't read the comics.
I just hate the fact they HAD to change her to make her Black when in the comics she's white. It's pretty whack that it's giving the stereotype of a bchy black woman. shud've kept her as is. They didn't change mark or omni man that way
Yeah tokenization is so bad. It's unoriginal and lazy. And annoying..
The worst thing about Amber is how the writers pushed her as a perfect being through the words of other characters, when she is straight up abusive
How is Amber abusive? That don't even make sense.
@@tyjuanbowman1536 yooooooooooo we found one of the 2 people defending her yippeeeee
but i'm gonna be mean and not explain to you why she is abusive, there are a lot of videos and threads explaining it in great detail, so look them up yourself
@@tyjuanbowman1536She is manipulative, controlling, selfish, gaslights Mark into thinking he's in the wrong, twists things to be about her ("I guess we both got lied to", like Mark not Immediately divulging his secret identity is even close to Mark almost being murdered by his own father)... She pretty thoroughly textbook on emotionally abusive behavior.
@@tyjuanbowman1536 So, I'm assuming you just said the word projection because "It that word what say you wrong", but as someone who actually knows what that means... Do you think I've dated a superhero? Because I haven't. It's literally impossible for me to have the frame of reference from which to project from, you ignorant trollop.
Also, I'm pretty sure she did do the thing where I Literally Quoted Her From The Show.
If anyone wants to talk projection, I'm just gonna say this to anyone else: Do not be in a relationship with anyone who thinks Amber's actions are acceptable. There's only one reason why, and while you may want to give sympathy to someone with such personality disorders, you don't want such people in your life.
@@tyjuanbowman1536Brain dead comment, but ok.
It is *CRAZY* how much one line of dialogue changes a somewhat sympathetic character to a gaslighting ego maniac. All because she knew for weeks, and the show never called her out on it
I think it's because despite the "girlboss strong woman who don't need no man" archetype... they never wrote her as an actual character, but as a means to an end for Mark. In this case, they wanted Mark to hit rock bottom by the end of the show. So... first he loses his GF, then he is mentally berated by his friends, then he is beaten into a pulp, then he loses his dad. If he was good with Amber by the end of the series, the rock bottom wouldn't have been as bottomy. If he was surrounded by a loving gf and supportive friends, then that final point, where he said "you dad, I'd have you" would have lost a little bit of its umf. Ironically, despite everything they did to make her a complex character, they did exactly the opposite by reducing her to a plot point for Mark.
@@whatsawhizzerwebnovels4927 but she came back to him the next day…
@@whatsawhizzerwebnovels4927still they could break up because she didn't wanted to be bothering him taking time from him when he could be out there saving people instead or some random thing that made them break up (at least for a while), but nope
You know I wish they would do something to at least redeem his friends like it turns out he didn't tell them that amber knew for weeks as an oversight or something
Typical black woman tbh.
“Amber: BECAUSE YOU LIED TO MEEE”
*I will burn this planet down*
7:22 “left to get milk on another planet”cracked me up 😂😂
Milked is what i heard.
The "girl gets mad because superhero boyfriend didn't tell her his secret identity" trope has quickly become one I particularly despise, it almost kills my enjoyment of a show single handedly because the drama always feels extremely forced and one or both parties just act incredibly petty and stupid.
yeah they did this in the pretty good before superman show and it just ruined the entire show. I refuse to watch it now. I don't care if she "redeems" herself, nobody deserves redemption for that.
@polocatfan I swear bro it's not that bad in the Lois one. Give it a chance.
Ive almost never seen what Invincible does before.
I think it is way more interesting than “turns out my shitty boyfriend is really special so i guess ill just forget that were in a terrible relationship and live like this”. Being a shitty partner doesnt go away when you tell the gf that you have powers.
Its waaaay better than “you lied!”. Which is in every movie ever.
@@polocatfanI feel like the Superman show did it good for once. Lois is a reporter who didn’t really care about anything except getting the main scoop, the big story. The show established she had those flaws back in the first episode, and even added more depth to them as the show progressed. Exposing Superman was her chance to finally prove herself to the Daily Bugle and her father, her one shot to success. She was selfish and greedy, and she realizes that literally in the next episode when Clark actually shows how selfless he is. Infact, Jimmy knew too, he knew for years. Literally every character had some sort of development, and their relationship grew stronger as a whole. Clark learned to be more honest with his friends, Lois learned that she shouldn’t be so selfish, and Jimmy learned that sometimes things don’t always go his way. And as a whole, each character learned that they should communicate more with eachother when it comes to their feelings.
As the hero, yeah, they can't let the woman just die, but, seriously, these types of toxic women are not worth dating at all. I'm amazed that heroes, especially superman, who are supposed to be paragons of virtue or at least on the path of enlightenment and symbols to aspire to are continuously written as such immature simps these days. I mean, the women are just written to be awful people and the heroes just bend over for them continuously. Neither are aspirational at all. Superheroes are literally designed to be an allegory for the best a man can be and aspire for and having then go for these awful women over and over again does nothing to show the best of a man to where they are super. And it just makes every woman who enjoys the stuff feel like no matter how bitchy they are they still deserve whatever man they want. Horrible lessons for relationships. I know they're somewhat meant to be toxic to show the difficulty of being a hero and how they have to sacrifice healthy relationships, but my God it's awful and not delivering that message when it's a toxic relationship the whole way through and the women are the ones making it such shit purposefully
"Annoying characters are worse than Villains"
Ho ho ho, boy! You do get it my man! In fact, Villains are made to be evil and bad. But characters that are made to be good but are trash are in another league of hatred...
Totally agree with there
An over the top villain can actually be a delight to watch but an annoying character just makes you want to put down the series for a while.
except high revolutionary who is just level 1000 evil
@@superbrainz2357 If anything, good written villains and anti-heroes are as enjoyable to watch (if not more) than the heroes.
Just watch in the Naruto Shippuden fanbase and you'll see what I'm talking about!
There's a whole "trope" about this called Jerks are Worse than Villains". Really insightful read on TVTropes.
If I were Mark, the moment she said she knew I was Invincible after getting mad at me for running away, it would have been over. I would have considered flying her into outer space. I might not have gone through with it, but would have definitely considered it. The fact that she let him think that she was upset at him for being a coward and made the whole drive back very silent and uncomfortable was incredibly disturbing. Honestly, Mark’s friend is also terrible. Once he found out that she knew as well, he should have been urging Mark to forget about her and move on.
I don't think the world would miss her if you flew her to space and left her. I am not sure anyone would even notice honestly.
Yeah, even Eve was taking Amber's side, so tbh it feels like they're just pushing the narrative a whole lot. Amber's a pretty horrible person, which to some extent is realistic. What isn't realistic is how everyone seems to find nothing wrong with her behaviour and actually praises her for it, making Mark the bad guy.
"ain't nobody care about no soup kitchen" is such a funny line out of context
Amber knew mark was risking his life to save people. She knew he was getting hurt because of it. She knew he was protecting his loved ones, including her, by keeping his identity a secret. She knew he was damaging his social life and image as mark to do these things.
Despite all this, she refused to be empathetic or appreciative, instead fixating on the idea that SHE was the victim and was the one getting hurt despite mark’s situation being multiple times more difficult than hers. She then dumps mark during the most difficult period of his entire life, the time he needed her emotional support the most.
Amber is a literal narcissistic sociopath.
and then we have a handful of people defending her with "mark shouldn't be in a relationship with her because he's a superhero" what a joke
@@localonionseller8556Mark shouldn't be in a relationship with her 'cause No-One should.
lol but it’s beyond realistic
She doesn’t want a relationship where mark is always late and not there
@@moonhunter982 Yes, that is her *Motive* for her utterly reprehensible actions.
Amber cared for Mark in the comic.
She noticed Mark acting strange. So she thought that because his family lost Nolan, he resorted to dealing drugs. So she wanted an intervention on him.
Sure, she hated mark when he "abandoned" them during the attack in the campus. But was proud when she learned his secret.
Cartoon amber on the other hand mentally tortured mark for hiding she already know his secret.
That is nothing but Mark`s fault.
@@Morten_Storvikguys dont bother responding to this person. They obviously trolling or are stupid
@@Morten_Storvikhow
@@Morten_StorvikLow quality bait.
So why did they change it from the comics to the tv series?
What makes it worse is that in the comics Amber figured out Mark was Invincible AFTER she thought he ditched her when that zombie cyborg thing attacked. Did they seriously have to change that in the show? 🤦
As of the moment I watched this video, Battle Beast no longer exists.
There is only Intergalactic Mufasa.
Given Mark's age, I HIGHLY doubt any teenage boy would put up with Amber's bullshit for any length of time. Especially one who just found out they have powers which would fuel their own ego. She'd be kicked to the curb and replaced with Eve before you could say 'see ya, narcissist."
It`s hardly narcissistic to want your boyfriend to be honest about an identity that can put you in harms way. She has a right to be able to concent or not to such a relationship. 🤷♂
Granted we’ve only got 2 episodes to go off of for season 2 so far, but it seems like they really tried to make her less hatable this season. I’m fine with it, but it’s kind of odd. It’s hard to call it character development. She is just suddenly tolerable.
What the dog doin
That's actually a really good point. Don't get me wrong, it's not a big ask to not turn into a giant jerk, but Mark truly did not ever get selfish or self inflated. His struggles came entirely from him trying to hold to his responsibilities and keep everyone happy.
A teenager getting super powers and still bending over backwards for a new girlfriend that probably didn't appreciate the stress he was under enough, is pretty wild.
@@gilbertgarcia8683 Treating your girlfriends ability to be able to consent to a potentially dangerous relationship as a mere suggestion is in fact extremely selfish.
One of Amber’s lines in Season 2 is “don’t ever apologize for saving lives, Mark!
The writers realized how bad they fucked up 😂😂😂
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when I heard mark say "you're way too good for me" I though to myself, "you said that backwards man"
They really didnt want to admit their mistakes on Amber and just ignores what she said in S1
Well, sorry, but it's already too late for that.
They definitely were trying to write Amber subversive of love interests in superhero media, but they totally screw up by framing it this way. If Amber knew than she should have told Mark, that would have been subversive and kind of empowerming because it takes away the notion of it being a thing about him when the reveal could make it clear it's about both of them.
“Intergalactic Mufasa” had me rolling😂😂😂
Man what a 180 the writers took in season 2. They backpedaled so hard she is just a nothing character now who exists so Mark can break up with her
Mark and Amber’s relationship in a nutshell:
Mark: *”THE PUBLIC IS IN DANGER!”*
Amber: *”MY EVENING’S IN DANGER!”*
😂 perfect
Ha!
accurate sadly
Mark: *”I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE GREATER GOOD!”*
Amber: *“GREATER GOOD? I AM YOUR **_GIRLFRIEND,_** I’M THE GREATEST **_GOOD_** YOU ARE EVER GONNA GET!”*
@@vonnie0_0 at least frozones wife was funny with her selfishness
I think what really makes characters like Amber extra hard for audiences to stomach is when the writers try to gaslight the audience into thinking Amber is right by making a bunch of side characters agree with her. That is an aspect that Mary Sues also share that just gets under your skin. News flash Amber is awful and no matter how much Potpourri the writers try to put on that turd it is not going to make me think it is a flower.
Sansa Stark was a great example of this, it doesn’t matter if she does dumb shit over and over again, we’ll just have Arya tell the audience how smart she is
@@michaelmurphy3976 Every woman in got was like that.
She’s only awful bc they changed her character from the comics by making her a jerk and changing her to black for diversity.
@@booshyee7646It has nothing bro do with her being black, it's just because they changed her personality
@@booshyee7646had something till the second part 😐
As a newbie who just finished season one, i am completely on this boat. I was so damn confused why Amber was getting mad at Mark, and then i was further baffled by Mark’s friend trying to make him feel bad! What a bunch of jackasses!
This mf called battle beast”intergalactic mufasa”🤣🤣
What's worse is that they made Eve of all people side with her when, given what we know of her character, she clearly would have sided with Mark in that situation. I can only guess that Mark phrased the story in a way that made Amber look better by comparison?
That’s what I was thinking. She was literally the one who warned him to be careful about telling people his identity
Amber is going be the downfall of this show am surprised she isn't the main character at this point
Actually in the comics, Eve was the one who gave Mark the idea, that he's relationship with Amber won't workup because she is not a superhero and never truly understand what people like Mark and Eve goes through on daily basis.
@@Depressso-Espressobut now in the show amber knows about marks hero life so I wonder how they will break up at this point? Either 1 of them cheats or she dies because they managed to comeback from the lowest of lows only the extremes can break this relationship
@@unkown981 I think it's gonna be pretty toxic. But at this point, Amber become the embodiment of toxicity.
But in the comics they have really healthy breakup.
I’m not as bothered by Amber’s character as I am about how everyone takes her side and seems to think Mark is always in the wrong
i don't think Mark is in the wrong EXCEPT for the ending of s1. His glib lets go back to highschool attitude made me not like him as a character
@@Solarstormflare what do you expect him to do bruh. His father was revealed as a genocidal maniac and now he just wants to live a normal life for a little bit without worrying about being a superhero
@Solarstormflare oh the teen suddenly becoming a superhero, and then suddenly gettinf beat near to deatg by superman who is also his dad on top of needing to save the world doesnt want to deal with the preassure anymore and quits? Ive heard teens give up jobs for a lot less stress
Makes sense. The mere existence of a character like Amber isn't a bad thing in and of itself (tropes like Hate Sink and Deliberately Bad Example exist for a reason). The problem is the show portraying her as in the right.
@@Solarstormflare my boy was given 17 years of the ass spankings in one day hell if that was me id be glad to go back to school and shit
You presnted the points in the most funniest way possible dude! Want some more of this..😂
I love your channel man best anime break downs out there
The worst part is that in the comics, when Amber found out he was Invincible, SHE WAS COOL WITH IT. She had her suspicions, but until they were confirmed she was rightfully still mad. Then Mark told her, and that pretty much automatically redeemed him. AS IT SHOULD HAVE. I don't know why they decided to write her this way when the character in the comics was perfectly fine.
Ikr! This guy is risking life, blood, and and limbs in order to protect everyone's livelihood. Hell, he almost got killed several times for it. And not only did she know all this time...... but she's giving him shit for it. Because, what, he didn't prioritize going to the soup kitchen with her when people are in danger? Like does she honestly believe feeding homeless people is more important than saving people from super-powered lunatics? Like bitch, are you for real? Honestly, if I was Mark I would thank God that she dumped me because clearly something's wrong with her tiny world.
I find it kinda crazy they race swapped her while simultaneously making her a worse character 💀
@@legalza0843mad fishy
they changed it for a trash twist.
She didn't suspect he was Invincible AT ALL, she suspected he was dealing drugs lmao
When Mark came out as Invincible, Amber became such an asshole as the show went on. It’s the fact she cared more about them spending time together rather than him saving the fucking world
That right there is what proved Amber to be a beatch.. it’s one thing for her to be angry at mark while not knowing, and another to actually know the entire time and not be worried.. just like his other friend who thought he had nothing to complain about because he was super powered
she also only decided to get back with him only because omni man almost murdered his ass. the bitch was like "oh no he almost dead, looks like i have to go out with him and make him feel as if i am worth something when i aint"
Mark:I STOP 911 2.0 FROM- Amber:U MISSeD tHE Soup ShOp
I always saw it as her saying earlier in the relationship that she’s been with well intentioned men who could t spare time for her and she doesn’t want to have a relationship like that. He’s late or doesn’t show up to anything she sets for them and even if it’s justified she already said she didn’t want a relationship like that. I didn’t really see it as an issue, but I do see that she was too vindictive and harsh about the whole thing.
It especially hurts because Amber was initially established as a good person who went out of her way to help the less fortunate. Which makes it feel completely out of left field when she suddenly is revealed to know Mark's secret and not only doesn't care that he's protecting the entire solar system, but is mad that he didn't tell her his most intimate secret so he could save lives. She should be stoked that he's doing good.
"I don't go around telling people I have a birthmark on my right ass cheek because that would be embarrassing". Is so damn funny.
What hurts Amber the most is the fact that the secret identity specifically exists to protect people like her. If villains know who they hero is, they will attack their loved ones that are vulnerable without powers. Amber being at the same time presented as smart and empathetic but then also not understanding this makes her really unlikable.
Best part is that this wouldn’t be a problem if she didn’t know. Her knowing and still being mad at mark makes her appear significantly worse.
yeah if it was at least like a "I can't handle being in a relationship with a superhero I'm sorry bye" thing then it would've been fine
@@silksongoutyetthat’s sounds a lot more reasonable then what we ended up getting
@@silksongoutyet That's what it is during season 2
Mark: “I’m sorry I couldn’t make it, I was saving the world from a threat that every nuke in the world wouldn’t have stood a chance against”
Amber: “and you think that excuses you from missing my moms birthday?”
Everyone: *_"Yes."_*
@@concept5631My response would be, "unless you want what's left of your mother to be shadow on the pavement, then I'd say yeah."
@@AllThingsEntertaining wtf dude
@@concept5631 I mean, it paints a real picture for them. I attend your mom's birthday, but everyone is now dead.
Maybe Mark should’ve started with that from the beginning he really was a shitty boyfriend who kept lying
I love your videos. Keep em coming.
Derek I’m subscribing right now. This man is straight spittin
when you look at amber, deep down you know EXACTLY what kind of person wrote her personality.
Yup i this it’s Marxist in nature ngl.
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Are you implying the person who wrote her is comparable to the pos that she is? Because most every other character is not written that way, and they only hire so many writers.
I think whoever wrote her character knew exactly what they were doing and wanted to portray her the way she was. Knowing what I know about what happens later on, she is a pretty inconsequential character once things get rolling.
@@danc5644 I think they're implying it's a person similar to the one who wrote "Velma".
nah pretty sure it was reth sogan
I'd be absolutely delighted if, in season 2, everyone who defended Amber realized they were missing context and that she was completely in the wrong.
nobody who defended amber will every admit they're wrong about anything.
@@facE055 The fans? Probably not. In the series, however, I think there's still time to pivot and undo that damage. After all, I don't think it was stated that Mark told the others that Amber knew his secret for weeks.
@@orgixvi3Yeah, I’m really hoping we get a scene where Mark’s mom calls amber out on her shit.
@@orgixvi3 I dont think the writers even realized that context isn't present. They just think it's all justified.
@@phabiorules Based Debbie
The moment she doesn’t accept Mark after he reveals that he’s Invincible and makes such a big fuss over it was the moment it clicked for me that Mark really should dump her.
"Fly away fly boy" really got me😂😂😂
Given her personality, she didn’t start to admire Mark when he got beat up, she saw him as an easy target.
To be honest, she did it twice. The woman loves the misery of the boy -.-
I think the writers made her out to be a narcissist.
@@ShinYoshao01 they certainly wrote her as one, but I don't think they realized that her narcissism is a bad thing. The show frames her as being perfect even though she's awful.
@@Thanatos2996 I wonder why that is. Maybe the writers are inserting some of themselves into...
Oh crap. They are narcissistic too. Jeeeeeez man.
The fact she knew who he was the whole time and still treats him like he “ran out on her” is just the utter worst and then to expect him to drop saving ppl to do shit she wants, in my book makes her the worst person ever.
The writers screwed up I think. They wanted her to be in the right and be upset by her partner constantly leaving her, but they also wanted her to be super smart and able to figure out what's truly going on. And they conflicted there and it feels a bit nonsensical.
1st off don't use partner it water down the relationship 2nd no they didn't in today age women and lacks are never wrong @@JustapErson
@JustapErson with the writing, i wish they would've done the whole "love makes you dumb" thing like with they did with ps5 miles morales (if thats how you spell it) it would've made somewhat sense then.
@@Steven9567also what using partner doesn't "water down" a relationship?
Bruh, it's because he continually lies to her and never trusts her enough to tell her until after the relationship explodes
I enjoyed every second of this video
it's someone from the show so it's not robert because i quote google
"In the comics, she had no idea Mark was Invincible until he told her and was ecstatic when she learned the truth." also she thought he was a drug dealer also she is a whole new character
edit: she also had a blackeye and told to mark not to worry about her so amber from the comic is better
You know what the worst part of their relationship is that this video didn't mention? She didn't get interested in him after he defended her, she got interested in him after she saw him leave school together with Eve and after she heard that there had been a second confrontation with the bully character that he won.
The moment Mark had the attention of another women and got a power buff she made her move.
That seems like a pretty stereotypical female thing. There are actually anthropological studies into how women tend to pick men other women are with because women trust other women and not guys, so if another woman is with a guy, that guy is basically pre-vetted to be safe to pursue. It's apparently a risk aversion tactic. This is why, historically, twice as many women have had kids compared to men. Same reason the "bad boy" stereotype exists, it's more of the appeal of someone whose in control of their own life attracting women, regardless of if they're making good or bad decisions, they're making their own decisions and that gets positive attention from women. Decision making = leader = protection = wet panties (not literally.... at least not usually literally 🤣)
I'm not saying it isn't toxic, and it definitely is a sign he shouldn't be with her, but it's probably the most understandably toxic thing she could do and is just a sign that he should be cautious. Cause the second he stops being tough and manly and other girls aren't paying attention to him anymore, her affection will likely go bye-bye
Wild
Isn’t that pretty realistic? Women do get attracted to “taken” men
@@danzansandeev6033 Oh I'm not arguing against it being realistic, but what I'm saying is that it's a red flag, especially in combination with her holier than though attitude.
Smells like incels
Dude. Check it out. Amber didn't start eying our man Mark *until* she saw him chatting up Eve. Go watch Mark and Eve talking outside the front of the school, and you'll see The Harpy there looking at them being together. *Then* she started showing interest in Mark. And you already got the whole "Mark looks completely emotionally devastated. Time for me to make an appearance! I can reestablish proper dominance in the relationship!" thing.
Yeah, man. That girl is super-toxic. Please, Eve. Save Mark! Do it soon!
Oh shit that's crazy
Also, when she went back to Mark after the fight with Omni-Man, she said "looks like I wasn't the only one being lied to" as if Mark keeping his identity a secret to keep his loved ones (including Amber) safe is even remotely comparable to Nolan secretly being a genocidal monster who killed many innocent people and nearly beat his own son to death. Honestly, if Mark gave her a full Viltrumite back hand b slap, I'd be congratulating the guy.
You need two girls to get 1. This show captures it perfectly
huh? Didnt she already give mark her number before that?
@@phobosex7504 No. Will even offered to give her Mark's number after she started interrogating him about Mark and Eve spending time together. Instead she blackmailed Todd into giving Mark *her* number in a "strong independant woman" power move.
sucks that even in season 2 she is MUCH better but mark still is a floormat
Nah that edit w that boul standing out tin the cold…. Cold 🥶 😂😂
I was actually more bothered at Mark continually taking Amber back at all, much less while also ignoring Eve as a love interest. That alone nearly justified his dad slapping him around.
I dont blame him, afterall that is the first time he got a girlfriend ever, pretty sure his still learning them ropes on the whole relationship thing
They broke up later pretry sure and finally he get with eve
The multiple near death beatings probably rattled his brain a bit.
It's a teenager thing
Lol. You must have never loved anybody in your entire life to say that. When you catch feelings for someone you don't want anyone else. You just want them.
You forgot to mention that Amber only started making moves on Mark AFTER she saw him talking to Eve.
TOXIC 🗣️🗣️🗣️
Oh and Amber blackmailing someone to pass on some digits ain't a W. That's a red flag
woman moments
@@MiMiwiwi10 ☕
Well he cheats on her with Eve in the comics, so it's not out of nowhere
This man keeps throwing fact after fact in every single minute of this video
I cannot wait for mark and eve to get together
Same bro holy sht
500 years in the comics
They changed literally every aspect of Amber. From how she looks, how she acts, how she talks. They made her absolutely horrible
Yeah comics had it better
Comic Amber is the polar opposite and is almost as garbage as the show counterpart. The only thing that saves her is that she doesn’t blame Mark but her character is so nonexistent and exists only as a plot device, she’s garbage too.
All By Design.
@CHESS-MAN2491 one of the rare thing the comic did better tbh the comic sucks
She's fine, you're overreacting.
Ngl after the second half of season 2 dropped im here to say amber got improved so much and even though i didnt like her and the relationship before i grew to like it. the way the writers handled the breakup was so well and it showed the problems in their relationship without one person being at fault. And this time, amber wasnt just being an unreasonable asshole, she even felt bad for being so upset that mark had to go be a superhero. They cant be together and have a normal relationship, and they both accept that.
Intergalactic Mufasa. Oh man! You just earned a comment, a like a subscriber and a share hahahaha!
The reveal that she knew he was Invincible was so confusing to me. She was literally crying because he "disappeared", but she knew he WAS RIGHT THERE!!! I've never felt so gaslit by a show
Exactly
The other thing that makes me so mad about Amber is that the writers want you to think that she is this amazing person, this kind and selfless person who only cares about others, but no one seems to point out that she is extremely verbally abusive to mark. Healthy relationships don’t consist of one partner constantly cursing out the other, constantly calling them an idiot or an a-hole. She doesn’t show any respect to mark and treats horribly. And then every character in the show just acts like mark is this huge jerk and they side with her🤦🏽♂️
the entire show is pretty dogshit apart from Omniman
Its weird because atleast she's a character with a personality in the show. Her comic counterpart was a bland stepping stone to eve.
@@Sciuridae Big agree, but also this is why I don't do charity so I'm kinda obligated to agree. I don't trust myself to not use it as a mask, or leverage, if push came to shove. I don't know if that makes me a decent person or just a self-aware selfish piece of shit, but whatever.
@@rushi5638 Never heard of someone afraid of doing charity for moral reasons before, this is hilarious
Be real, if it was the other way around, ya'll would be in your feelings because if she can lie to you about that, what else is she lying about. The moment they got serious, you gotta tell your partner about it. Think about it, the college incident, the soup kitchen, all avoided. "She'd be like go get 'em 🐯 ". Also, THEY ARE A REFLECTION OF NOLAN AND DEBBIE. Man how ya'll miss that. Debbie was trying to figure Nolan shit but ya'll dont slam on her
Honestly she was so annoying in season 1 but in season 2 they really improved on her character. Still glad they got to the point where they break up though
congrats on 2 million btw
Lois is a 3-dimensional character with trust issues as a result of her relationship with her dad, which presents as realistic flaws she needs to work through. Amber isn't presented as a flawed person. The show wants you to thinks she's perfect, which only makes her obvious flaws that much harder to stomach.
Lois Griffin does go hard
@traxathon4464
I'd argue that the writers tried to make Lois three dimensional, but the execution is sloppy... My guess is it was due to poor communication between the writers.
@@DemonicRemption honestly, the fact this show managed to live with WB bs and managed to do what Invincible tried way better is testament of itself.
She projected her issues onto Clark and Jimmy proved to be more mature and understanding because he knew it wasn't his secret to tell. Lois while better than Amber still acted like a self-entitled dweeb and if she wasn't close to Clark she very well might've revealed his identity thus putting his parents, himself, and his best friend Jimmy. and everyone else he's close to in constant danger.
( *SPOILER* Lois's father in the new show seems to be after Clark )
@@purkle200 and show actually examines that. Whole later half of the series is pretty much shows how her paranoia can back fire and challenges her ability to have trust in Clark and last two episodes she does just that.
They’ve tried to make her nicer and more likeable in season 2. I still don’t like her though, the writers are really trying to force you to like her
All of that for nothing because at the end Mark will end up with Eve
Apparently, in season 2, she's closer to how she was in the comics. And tbh, she's way more likeable now... but too late. The damage is done.
She's more or less been redeemed, good for her, but Mark is my boy. Get her away from my boy. She can go be redeemed with somebody else.
I believe in 2nd chances, sometimes more... but only if the person can own up to the screw up. She never did. Writers acting like she wasnt behaving the way she was behaving, but I didn't forget and I'm not going to pretend like it didn't happen. Get my boy away from that "personality changes with the flip of a switch" harpy.
@@oggrim2824 Modern western writers assume their viewers have the attention span of fish.
Which if they did any basic human relation dynamics research, we don't.
The way they changed her rather than her having a character arc gave me whiplash.
@oggrim2824 Fr, it feels fake asf. And whoever is writing her character does not have good relationship advice. 😂
She got better in s2 ngl
She is much more understanding in season 2 and somewhat relatable like she is bored and scared and feels bad for feeling bad. But yeah dating her at the time is a bad idea.
shes "more understanding" cuz they completely changed her. S1 she was the typical rude girl boss character studios constantly push. But fans hated it, so they made her nice and docile now. Its not even the same person. Shouldve made them break up and Mark dating someone new with this new amber personality
Can we talk about that she only began interest in mark after she saw that he has good chemistry with eve, and then blackmailed someone just to give him her number, she legit committed a crime just out of pitty that mark was talking to another girl. The moment she was introduced she was already a terrible person.
Its a forced allegory for the typical male/female relationships of the modern Era. Men can be literally heroes to their communities and it won't be enough for most women. It's not shitty writing, it's honest writing. It's so funny how it is going above people's heads. It's a satirical comic strip, it's entire premise is based on "what if superman was a douchebag?" Then expanded into other satirical tropes we often see in mainstream hero media that a lot of people are tired of because it's so wildly unrealistic. In reality, you don't often win the day, get the girl, have a happy ending so on reality not many can actually relate to any of it. But a good majority of people can relate to having a shitty gf/bf who intentionally disregards whatever you're doing for them or others. Lol, probably why people are upset about how a fictional character is treating another fictional character in a fucking cartoon lmao
@@anthonyzullo I think you're giving the writers way too much credit. Asshole characters that the writers know are assholes can be entertaining to watch because in-universe, those characters get their comeuppance. Here, it's more obvious the writers try to convince the audience Amber is a good person but failed to make her actions match that. It was more of an attempt at creating petty drama that didn't execute well rather than anything satirical. Why? Because Amber doesn't get called out nor ever put in a negative light in-universe despite acting like a complete self-centered narcissist. That's why people are upset with her.
Also in the comics, Amber was never written this way. She was just a nice and simple gf for Mark to be with till he got with Eve. Making it even more obvious the writers were just attempting to give her more depth in the show and unintentionally made her vile in the process.
@@anthonyzulloI think you are right about it being an excellent allegory for modern relationships, but I think you are wrong about it being intentional. I think the writers tried to make something relatable and ultimately succeeded, but in a way they didn't intend to.
For real, people don’t talk about the revenge porn crime enough. I hate to be that guy, but it needs to be said. Imagine if the genders were reversed.
@@anthonyzullo Yuck
After watching the first couple episodes of season 2 you can tell they are trying SO hard to make her more likable. lmao. They toned down her bitchiness by a lot, and her of all people telling mark he doesn't owe anyone anything after she felt entitled to Marks secrets after dating for less than a year. Oh my god the irony.
it's fine tho because we won't see her at all or barely, the reason why she was so annoying is because she was the one starting all the conflict in the first part of the story and being annoying in general but now we finally get to see stuff we care about so thats great
That´s exactly what i thought. They made her far more likeable, because the fans wouldn´t like or even accept her if they keep making her toxic.
Oh god, they're sticking with her? I was hoping they'd drop that character out of the story.
@@Artrysa She actually works as a character now.
It's a little Jarring going between the two, though she is now understandable and supportive.
Only thing I dislike is the writer acting as if "WeLl yOu sEe dIsoHesTy", as if Mark didn't have legitimate reasons to protect his secret identity, and the possible repercussions/longevity a highschool relationship has on average.
She’s fine now, I’d say she’s so irrelevant that she’s passable
I’m back here for a 3rd time, because it’s cathartic to listen to someone roast the absolute worst person ever.
Dude you speakin absolute facts!! this is exactly how i felt whule wathcing the show loll
“You made me feel unimportant”
“I GOT MY GUTS SMASHED TRYNA SAVE A DUDE’S FAMILY FROM THE GHETTO WDYM?????”
If she knew he was a superhero, it kind of changes the "where did you go, I needed you" complaint from "you left me alone, I could have died. I'm just lucky some stranger superhero showed up to save the day" into "You seriously thought that saving everyone was more important than being my personal bodyguard? Yes, you technically saved me too, but you didn't do it while standing right next to me."
That is Villainous with a capital V.
Yea, it would have worked out so much better if instead she started just going on and on about how wonderful "Invincible" was while looking at him adoringly. That would have been funny as a recurrent theme.
@@JaimeWarlock funnier than this only if the show didnt try to portrait her as right, it would be hilarious
@@JaimeWarlockyou have a great talent of completely ignoring what someone said. God, your future partners are gonna LOVE that.
yeah a bit accidentally sociopathic
@@damonirvine8910 Maybe it is my autism, but I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Please explain. Btw, my partner loves me. Her English is terrible, my Swahili is terrible, but we are very patient in trying to understand each, so it works out.
Man, you funny FR 😂
It is SO refreshing to see someone not justifying her actions
The reveal that Jimmy knew the whole time makes him more of a bro.
The reveal that Amber knew the whole time makes her even worse.
I think what people miss about Lois is that she was just insecure because she was getting close to Clark, then found out he had this huge secret. She was worried that their relationship was just a part of his "act" as Clark Kent, and that his feelings for her weren't real. They then go on to reconcile their feelings in the next episode, where Lois realizes how wrong she was to think that way. Very different from Amber.
Also in the first episode they promise to not have any secrets between them
I love the new Superman show in general and love how Lois is into Clark and not just Superman for once. The whole show is a breath of fresh air
I think what people miss about Lois is that she was wrong to he angry with a man she has only known for some months and who by the way, had every reason and right to not tell her his secret identity when she already threatened to expose it to the world in the first place. And the story didn't even make her realise she was wrong even after Jimmy said he understands why clark didn't tell him. If someone has flaws then they should be called out for it or atleast realise their mistakes. This is the problem with most modern series female characters. They do something stupid but everyone else had to apologize to them. No one in this world is perfect and a good character, flawed or not, should atleast learn a lesson or two from their mistakes or atleast get called out for it.
Also Lois didn't realize how wrong she was at all. She might have been worried about their relationship or whatever but that doesn't give her the right to treat him that way. Clark is genuinely a great guy and it's just sad that after everything he does for people, his love interest treats him that way and doesn't even apologize at all.
@@lavasharkflowerssounds like real life to me
After ive watched the first couple episodes of season 2 ahe seems to be getting a lot better
Dude my fav video ever is the MJ most toxic character ever and this video is legendary af too! But is there anyway you can do a similar video about Lori grimes from the walking dead? Deff toxic af!!
Lois discovering the truth isn't as toxic as Amber... However, it is part of a tiring trend where the character believes that they are "entitled" to knowing secrets about other people...and force them to reveal it on their terms instead of the other way around
if you watch the episde after you will see her showing why she is so angry at him. because she feared he lied about other things. like his feelings for her.
basically she was afraid he was omniman playing invincible...
also, when she sees him before confronting him, she is worried because he was hurt, it was only after seeing he was alright that she confronted him, which shows her priorities.
@@marcosdheleno And if you look past episodes, you can see why Clark kept the secret from her.
Lois told him she would expose all of Superman's secrets... stole press passes to get a story... And when Clark was getting ready to reveal his secret to her, she made the remark how she hated Superman
Again, I say this: it's not as Toxic as Amber from Invincible , but this is part of the growing trend of people feeling "entitled" to knowing other people's secrets amd forcing them to reveal it on their terms instead of the other way around
Jimmy's reaction was PERFECT, hence why he is The Goat!!!!
@@Scoonertuna yeah, like i said, the show never says lois is in the right. on the contrary it literaly shoves it in her face that she is in the wrong.
what it does do is tell us WHY she feels wronged. not that she is right in feeling that way.
in other words, CONTEXT.
Won't lie. Amber knowing and yet being upset because "you don't spend enough time with me" is also pretty common in crime dramas, which also get stale. How many crime shows do you see where the veteran has been married several times (always four for some reason)? And these are women who know they're with men who work crazy hours and yet get upset when he misses a date! Haley Hotchner from Criminal Minds kind of irritated me the most with this because she always chewed out Hitch for not being home after Jack was born despite the fact that before he was born, Hotch was already a certified team leader and been in the bureau for a while. She knew the crazy hours!
I could at least forgive Kathy Stabler because she and Elliot got together more because she got pregnant in school (I don't doubt they loved each other but the show made it fairly clear they had a shotgun wedding), so didn't know what she was signing up for. Plus it seemed her issues was more her thinking Elliot and Olivia were too close than the job itself. Also, also, they seemed to be amicable during their short breakup
It's why I actually liked Will and JJ from Criminal Minds or the Regans from Blue Bloods because it was nice seeing an actual stable relationships in a crime fighting family.
I get the whole point is to show that such a job requires sacrifice, but does it have to come at the cost at having the hero (or crime drama character) seem like they're the bad guys because of it.
Also funnily enough Spiderman also did a good subversion of the normal girl and superhero breaking up. Spectacular Spiderman had Peter dating someone who actually didn't mind he worked crazy hours (aka his story to cover up him doing Spiderman duties). They broke up on Valentine's Day not because he ditched her to deal with Venom but because she could tell Peter like someone else (Gwen Stacy).
@ugan2 Hotch stayed at work even when he didn't need to, that's what Haley was upset about. He didn't make time for her or his son.
An easy way to fix Amber? Give the scene where Mark tells her he's Invincible parallels to when Debbie put on a brave face for her son but nonetheless stayed awake to make sure that Nolan actually came home from that alien dimension.
If Amber broke up with Mark because she was cracking under the pressure of wondering if her boyfriend was going to be killed by cyborgs and star-gladiators while having to act like there's nothing abnormal about their relationship, that could have been brilliant. Amber revealing that she understands why he kept his identity a secret but that she's breaking up with him because she can't take the stress of it would be sad but entirely understandable.
Instead, we got this.
only way to fix her is say she had brain cancer and the tumor was effecting her brain.
An easy way to fix that piece of garbage its just reading the comic
@@Born_Stellaror split personality disorder XD
That would be making way too many allowances for clearly toxic behavior but the tumor thing would work great
That's exactly how it went in the original comic version
I was sort of with her at the start. I understood why she was upset, she constantly was left by mark so it makes sense. But when she revealed she knew he was invincible the whole time and was still angry with him, I started to dislike her.
They could have easily had their "girl boss moment" and sympathetic character cake and ate it too if instead of Amber getting angry at Mark, she slowly became more distant. After the reaniman fight, she could have been thankful that Mark is ok and she could have even been upset and said something like "I thought I lost you!". Mark (and the audience) would have interpreted as her being upset because she couldn't find him during the emergency. Mark would still believe that Amber is growing distant because of his flakiness and Mark thinks he's losing her. So when he finally reveals his identity she could have STILL said she new for weeks but was conflicted between her love for Mark and the stress and heartache that comes with being with a superhero and that's why she was hesitant in growing closer. She could have even still broken up with him because after seeing him almost get killed by the reanimen in front her own eyes, she decides she can't handle that kind of lifestyle. You would have had the exact same result but I think the fans would have been much more understanding of Amber's decision rather than the petty ass "you didn't tell me your secret identity" trope.
They really want us to like Amber so badly in the new season. Not working for me, it's so disingenuous. They just swept her toxicity under the rug like it never happened. She didn't learn anything, she didn't grow as a character, she never even apologized. I couldn't sit through a single scene with her without having to skip ahead, because it's literally the most forced opposite behavior of how she was last season. She is suddenly so supportive and kind that I almost would expect to find out this Amber is from another dimension or something where she is actually a good person.
Also, her personality is the biggest bore ever. Her character is beyond one dimensional, as flat as paper. All she does is parrot the same "did you know I work at DUH SOOP KICCHEN?!" As if that is somehow not only her only personality trait, but as if it's somehow supposed to make us just forgive her and like her again. Horrible writing.
I always just felt like it was all more manipulation
Someone in the studio really wants this character to be in the show, i wonder if we could find this person (probably a lookalike, since the original character was race swapped)
I mean to be fair original amber was actually a pretty decent and had some important roles in the earlier arcs character. I dont know why in gods green earth would they change amber to be a b***h in the anime like that.
@@MrDruderIt's so cool to change the race of a character from the canon, instead of creating something original (no)
7:30 - Mark doesn't slam the door in her face because, as you noted earlier, _he is in a vulnerable state._ This actually is another of Amber's worst, most toxic acts: she comes to him to allegedly comfort him and take him back, but she still manages to make it all about her, and she does it in a way that he isn't in any state to say "no." She's only into him when he's _hurt_ to the point that she's the "Strong One" of the relationship, and she _resents_ him when he has any means of standing apart from her, let alone any responsibilities other than waiting on her every whim. She wants a dependent accessory.
This fits her character so well when you think about her hobby of helping at the soup kitchen. She doesn't go there for the goodness in her heart, she goes there to get her fix, a feeling like she's a benevolent superior being. That's why she was so upset with Mark, he was doing more good than she was (he basically said his super hero work is more important than her soup kitchen work) and it shook up her ego. That's why the reasons she gives him make no sense, because there's no explanation for her treatment of him that doesn't make her look like a totally selfish bitch. People like this generally have an inkling of their true selfishness, but most of it is hidden from their awareness. So I don't think she lied when giving her reason for breaking up with him, I think she just didn't really know because she couldn't be honest with herself.
Except none of that even makes sense. Because it still doesn't explain anything that happened between them. Especially the college campus stuff. Honestly this is just bad writing to get people to hate Amber. It doesn't make sense any other way
@@Pehz63 Pretty much, yeah. If she is an intentional examination of what a real version of the "Feminist Strong Woman" archetype Hollywood pushes would really be like, it's a brilliant one. She isn't evil in her own mind. She isn't thinking about her superiority in her own mind. She's thinking of herself as the victim of an oppressive Patriarchy (and Colonialist culture that doesn't appreciate her African heritage). She _is_ doing good by volunteering at the soup kitchen, but her drive to do so is one of "I am a superior person helping the lessers" rather than "I want to help these people get better." She would almost certainly find a reason to be "concerned" if the soup kitchen stopped seeing so many customers due to more of them finding their way out of poverty.
Again, she isn't consciously evil; it's just all about her and her position as The Righteous One.
All of her behaviors take on a sinister glare in light of "I've known for weeks," but they all still fall into the stained glass window of her saintly self-image, too. That's what makes it so brilliant a character examination...assuming it's on purpose. IF it is on purpose, it is STEALTHILY done, too.
@@darrienjones8917the writing makes it kinda seem like amber is in the right cuz everyone be agreeing with her and Mark be takin her back and the part with her “knowing three weeks ago” was just tryna make her smart, tryna say she smart, I think maybe the writers wanted Mark and Amber to have been together longer and the reason for Amber being mad is that Mark didn’t trust her after all these years or that he valued his secret identity over her immediate safety when he went to get in costume which, if the cyborg went straight for Amber, could’ve killed her but they didn’t do none of that, rather they made Amber an annoying asshole
@@darrienjones8917 It could be bad writing. If so, it was bad writing designed to showcase how smart and brilliant she is. Why, strong women like her would never be fooled by dumb boys keeping secrets from them!
But whether it was that unintentional bad writing, or an intentional depiction of her self-centered nature, it DOES recast all the stuff that came before, and leave us with a coherent image of a young woman who is deeply toxic but actually remarkably believable as a character.
i've rewatched invincible again (for the 40th time), just to feel that HATRED for amber that i lost so long ago. Tragic really, (for mark anyway) that he has to put up with amber's BULLSHIT everyday of his life. Yeah, he missed dinner with your mom, yeah he missed the soup kitchen, but let's not forget ladies and gents that he almost DIED. or you know he could die, being a superhero is tough. all in all, i hate amber with a burning passion. Thank you for listening to my TedTalk. (btw 1:53 made me laugh so hard)
“Intergalactic Mufasa” rly got me💀 and the birthmark bro💀💀💀
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Bro honestly mark and eve need to get together in season 2, just like in the comics. There, I put the spoiler, stop bothering me about it.
They most likely will
Maybe that’s why they made Amber an insufferable bitch
@@hardondong3550Thank the heavens.
God i hope
I honestly don't think they will. Because if Mark left a black woman for a white one, people are gonna cry racism.
I found it strange that Amber is supposed to be smart, into comics, and lives in a world with a bunch of actual superheroes running around but has apparently never encountered the concept of a secret identity.
Amber isn't actually smart or a good person. The writers wrote her as an annoying bitch but were completely tone-deaf to how she actually came off as. You can see how the writers saw her while creating her character through words other say, such as consistently pushing the idea she is a good person and "way too good" for Mark.
She probably has and thought to herself that she’s going to be the first one to make a superhero tell her their secret identity in the first 6 or so months of their relationship
@@bibigamer502 yeah, doesn't make sense to lie to her
The edit of amber taking a step forward and having the door slammed in her face was so funny
I was actually laughing when she was being choked by Anissa because it proved she was stupid for getting mad at Mark.
All scenes where she appeared in s2 I was like: 🙄😴
That 1 scene nuked her entire character and changed the perspective of her actions. She went from sympathetic because her relationship was deteriorating she didn't know why and couldn't know why. Then she's basically like "I know and can't begin to understand the impossible situation you are in and I don't care because I'm more important"