Even when super heros are saving more lives than all of EMS and are selfless enough to not only jeprodise their mental health but their lives on a pretty much daily basis to save thousands, still wont b enough for todays women
I dunno it was pretty obvious he was super hero later on. She baited him out into saying it bare n he just dodges it. Relies on his mates to cover for him n takes yonks to own up for it. Then at the end she asks him where he went to see if he'll tell her n he lies again saying he went for help. I think she's just not fussed over someone who won't tell her
@@genghisfarn but when she calls him out at the college they are out in the open in public so its unfair for he to expect him to reveal his secret identity there and then.
@@genghisfarn This line of reasoning is some of the dumbest shit i hear all the time. They have been dating for a very short period of time. His secret puts the lives of a FUCKTON of people at risk, from his family to his entire school. There is absolutely no reason to tell amber anything. If she can't handle that fact, then she's nothing but a petty bitch.
@@NerdCymru yeah he didn't have to shout it out. Just say calm I'll tell you, p bait anyway. Idk I wasn't that fussed over her as a character tbh, I can see it from her perspective there's no point dating him if he doesn't want to share who he is. The comments seem to be a bit whiny about breakups, like she punished him or something. She just waited a long time to see if they could be super buds then when she found out he was gonna keep it a secret forever she thought fair play find someone else.
@@werewolf873 Maybe that's the whole point, if they can't talk about it there's no reason to date. Breaking up with someone isn't that peak uno she's not obligated to date him n tbh would you wanna date someone who you didn't really see
the most bizarre experience of watching this show was watching amber reveal that she already knew mark was invincible and then having your brain flashback through all the things she did and said that suddenly make no sense if she knew.
It makes perfect sense if you just accept that she's a bad person. At any point, she could have fixed everything between the two of them by just letting Mark know she knows he's Invincible. The problem is that's not enough for her. Rather than taking the mature approach and telling him she's aware so they can have a healthy and honest relationship, she wants him to tell her to prove to her that he's good enough for her, which is why she punishes him through gaslighting and trying to pick up other guys when they're at the college campus.
@@williamcanales4371 me tooooo!! Rumors say Kirkman has a 7 season deal with Amazon and they're working on seasons 2 and 3 right now, at the same time! My guess is Conquest will be the antagonist of the 3rd but we won't get to see the Grand Regent until the 5th but fingers crossed!!
Amber knows he is Invincible and then yells at him for abandoning her and not prioritizing her, right after she watched him save her life and knew it was him doing it...
Its all about her! Next season instead of Invincible, the title will have AMBER instead. And they won't use a blood splash as the series progresses - it will be substituted with sand to indicate how Amber s sandy genitals
She doesn't yell at him for not sparing time for her, but for not sparing her any honesty. Amber wanted honesty. If she commits so much time to a person, she wants to know that person trusts her. Mark didn't trust her. That's why he kept his identity a secret. Wanting to keep her safe doesn't work if you need to lie indefinitely. Sooner or later, if Mark wants a long lasting relationship, it needs to be with a person he doesn't need to keep things secret from. It's not like Nolan hid his identity for his wife. We also see other heros being honest with their regular human SOs. If he doesn't want to endanger a person with his secret identity, he shouldn't pursue a serious relationship with that person. That's better than lying. Mark would rather have Amber believe he's constantly standing her up than having to be single. It's fundamentally selfish. "You must belief I'm a terrible boyfriend so that I at least have a girlfriend" is effectively Mark's mindset. He is choosing to cause he misery.
@@oOPPHOo bro like yeah he lied to her but what was the reason ohh yeah it was to fucking save life's she gotta get that her pathetic relationship problems is not worth losing life's and also will you reveal you secret identity and therefore endangering a person you just met 5 months ago am like 95% sure the other hero had time to know there partners I don't think they just revealed there identity just like that
@@amineb1182 No, it wasn't to save lives. It was to save lives AND keep having a girlfriend. If he just wanted to save lives without endangering her, he could've simply broken up with her, but he didn't want that. He wanted to have his cake and eat it too regardless of how it affected Amber. _"also will you reveal you secret identity and therefore endangering a person you just met 5 months ago"_ Yes. And I would expect the same of someone I dated. _"[I] am like 95% sure the other hero[s] had time to know there partners[.] I don't think they just revealed there identity just like that"_ There's only one case we know for sure, but in that case, it's exacly what happened. Nolan lives a secret life, but he didn't hide anything from his wife.
@@oOPPHOo You're forgetting Mark is in high school. 95% of high school relationships don't last. Imagine telling your high school girlfriend your secret identity and then break up and never see them again. You don't know what they're going to do with that information. People change after high school, sometimes for the worst. The difference between him and Omni Man and some of the other superheros like Eve is that they either were in long term committed relationships for years or dating other superheros.
The scene where everyone was watching Omni Man beating the hell out of invincible, Amber was shocked coz she couldn't believe Mark was getting his ass whooped instead of apologizing to her.
@@轟焦凍-g9p I sort of agree with @theobservant stone. I think Amber is a well written terrible person / power addict. I think she was lying in the reveal scene because she had lost power (realising that Mark is Invincible) and the moral high ground. She used the emotional manipulation to reassert power over Mark and accepts him back on her terms. Tldr: Toxic character, but well written.
@@P51F86F4F15F22 I didn't get into any relationships while I was in the service, but I saw it happen all too often. Sorry it happened to you, hope things are better now.
I hope she gets squashed in the Viltrumite War. No spoilers pls, although she isn't in the comic, so who knows, they might smear her on the wall at the very start of season 2.
The fact that Marks friends take Ambers side just makes me mad. It is clear to everyone that Amber was in the wrong but Marks closest friends still take her side and call him a shitty people. That's what really pisses me off. As if Eve didn't hide her secret identity from several people.
Mark is a bad boyfriend though. That's undeniable. He has all the right reasons to be a bad boyfriend, and Amber is an ass for getting mad at him after finding out, but he's a bad boyfriend nontheless
@zillva I mean the healthy thing for them to do was to break up, it's not her fault that she needs a partner that will be there for her more than Mark is, and it's not her fault Mark isn't able to fulfill that role, so I think them breaking up was just the most mature and responsible way to resolve it
@@Gravecoyote For sure. Mark really tried to make that happen though, so when its revealed Amber knew for a while, and still blew up, it makes her come of as a huge ass, imo.
She treated him like a coward who ran and ditched them despite knowing he was fighting the cyborg. She knew this but chose to act like he ran to save his own skin. She belittled him into revealing his identity to prove he didn't run and abandon her and she replies with 'fly away, flyboy' A very toxic character in my mind and she had the audacity to say she only forgave him because she wasn't 'the only one being lied to' well thank God Mark's father had been lying to him his entire life if not Amber would never have forgiven him, it wasn't the near death beating that softened her heart, nope, it was the fact that he was also being lied to Such a selfish, narcissistic character
Mind you she knew Mark was getting beaten to a pulp and almost died multiple times since the "bus thing" where she supposedly figured it out. If she knew there was no sign of her mentioning it or reacting to it in anyway whatsoever in the season. If she did actually care about Mark to begin with she would have felt afraid or sorry for him and try to alleviate that burden in anyway, or at least be more sympathetic. The fact that she did know also means that everything she did since she "found out that Mark got hit by a bus" was a performance, she was definitely gaslighting him and when she cried those tears were obviously crocodile tears if she was lying and could just shrug it off the next day.
The moment she said she knew, all my sympathy went out the window. You went from someone suffering in darkness from something you don't know to purposefully watching Mark wiggle at your feet as he struggles between you and his responsibilities as a hero, and you shame him for it. Absolutely disgusting
Absolutely well said all the love for the character turned to complete distain and disgust when finding out she knew all along but still chose to be this piece of shit to him in between him saving countless lives and pleasing her “demands and needs”.
not to mention anytime she was 'sorry' was after he(or someone close to him) had told her, what he went through, or a fascimilie, like when gained his powers and any NORMAL person would have been bruised to F, if still standing, from the school bully, being 'hit by a bus', etc
It literally turned her from a confused girl who thought her feelings were being played with to a straight up narcissist. Mark has been through so much and she's just completely self involved.
Meh. I actually kinda like it better with her knowing. It muddies the waters. Mark is supposed to be a train wreck, struggling with everything, making mistakes, and doing an outstandingly poor job of balancing and separating his civilian and superhero lives... Back when Amber was oblivious to everything it kinda made her seem a bit *too* oblivious and a bit selectively air-headed... After all, the original Amber was little more than a walking plot point... meant to serve Mark's character development... With this development, it actually gives her half a dimension more to her character than the flimsy, malleable wet cardboard she was originally... It's not much... but I'll take it. In the original comic, when he and Amber got back together, I felt nothing aside from the flimsy hope that "Well... Maybe Mark will actually get his shit together and it'll work out for him this time?" With *this* version of Amber, I'm actually kinda excited for the train wreck that I expect from them. Even with the better understanding of Mark's situation, this version of Amber just isn't of the personality to be able to function well in a relationship with a superhero (provided they don't treat her half a personality like Play-Doh from here, like they did to the original)... and Mark is still a mess. It'll be fun to watch them try, and we already know Mark is going to grow and learn to do better eventually, being the main character and all, but I wanna see how they work with the little bit conflicting personality this version of Amber has. Will she grow enough to realize she's not a good fit? Will she double down? Will she actually develop into a better fit? That last one seems unlikely, but still. I actually have some interest in this version of Amber... Whereas in the original, I didn't care about her in the slightest... It was just about Mark.
Agreed, I honestly liked the character but then she just had to be the "she knows everything and always has to be right" type character with that one line
@@crudenaru8778 by that point, she had already known mark was a superhero and should have figured it would take a lot more than a bus to harm him that badly
I’m honestly really sick of the “You lied to me about being a superhero to protect me, screw you.” trope. It’s lazy, overdone and tired. Considering Amber wants to help people you’d think knowing Mark was a superhero she’d be beyond proud of the guy.
@@DictionaryMan unfortunately even then the catch is the change is so jarring that she feels like a different character with the same voice, look and name.
@@DictionaryMan that would make sense but it’s mostly unexplained so it just feels like she’s acting out of character. But if having her acr out of character means she acts like a decent human being, that’s the WAY lesser of two evils so I’ll take it.
@@DictionaryManWhat's crazy about that though is what it took for her to actually sympathise with him. Bro got beaten in front of millions of people, NOW you feel bad for him?
LOL, I guess if she had actually said that, it really would have been considered 'going to far'. Even the hardcore Amber fans would have had a hard time coming up with excuses for that.
I mean its not exactly like that, its more that he kept it a secret. But like there are reasons superhero's have secret identities and one of them is literally her own fucking safety.
Much better put than what I've been saying, but I also get a feeling there is a bit of "Look at me and the great things I've done!" in her character. Especially evident when she tells Eve about building schools in Peru. It comes across as low key bragging, and her rant at Mark in the end makes it feel even more so when you look back. It is all about her and how she is SEEN that is important to her. NOT what she has actually done.
They turned Amber into what all SJWs aspire to be while ironically (and most likely unintentionally) capturing the stuck up moral high ground ego pretty well. It's really odd the way they changed up Amber compared to the comic version. They changed her race without any reason other than what I can suspect is an attempt to race-bait people who dare ask why, and in the comic she in fact had no idea Mark was a superhero all this time and its when he reveals he is Invincible that she finally understands. But spoiler alert, Mark and Eve get together and stay that way in the comics, and I hope they ditch Amber in the show too.
The fact that she supposedly knew and still bitched about mark being late all the time means she literally values her dinner plans over hundreds, or possibly thousands, of innocent people
"We were both lied to" Yes, not telling you that he's Invincible after only 5 _months_ of dating is equivalent to finding out the last 17 years of your life was a lie, your dad killed the strongest people on the planet, and threw you through a train but go on.
Fr that sht made me so mad. She minimized his trauma and said they're situations are equal when they remotely aren't. What a fking selfish and toxic bitch she is
Well they are both toxic. Mark thinks that just because hè is a superhero that it will excuse all of his behaviour and lies. And Amber is to self absorbed.
@@thatonedudeaпросто закрыв глаза на всё то, что было. Лучше бы она и дальше была сукой, которую Марк бросил по воле сценаристов, так вообще не имеет мужества. Впрочем, не исключено, что этот "новый шанс" от Эмбер в очередной раз приведёт к "ты решил остановить теракт вместо просмотра сериала со мной".
No it's like dating a firefighter, seeing him come home covered in ash every day, and yet every time you ask, he looks you in the face and tells you that what you know to be true isn't. She said she was mad about the lying. All he had to do was tell her.
@@BigWillProductions1 she knew he wasn't cheating. She knew what he was doing was very important. She knew it wasn't a secret you just throw out after a few months of dating in highschool. She knew that despite how important it was he did as much as he could to spend time with her. Idk man. If the truth was so important to her she should have been truthful about how much she knew instead of pussyfooting around the issue exactly like mark was.
@@SuperMegatronus I agree her communication should have been better aswell. I'm just saying that her reason for being upset is logical. In your firefighter example, you'd be pissed that someone you love acts like their dumb excuses are enough when you know they are lying. Especially when she realized he'd rather she leave him for supposedly abandoning her in a time of need, rather than be honest that he's a hero. I understand why she's mad. Also they are teenagers. I fought about the dumbest stuff with my exs in HS. I feel like people are slinging hate at her whole character when Mark isn't being forthcoming and IS being selfish. When your girl breaks up with you over something like that, your gay best friend and other female friends 100% side with the girl who dumped you XD. This video starts by saying the show wrote her badly by not giving her flaws, then goes onto point out that her flaws are how perfect she sees herself to be. That is the issue. The writing is realistic AF, just as both of their reactions. Mark complains that if she knew she shouldn't be mad at him. He points out that illogic. She also points out her own issue with the lying. Both of them are on even footing. I just dont agree that she's a bad character or totally in the wrong. They both made bad choices by not communicating, but what do we expect from 17 year olds?
@@BigWillProductions1 yeah but being a firefighter isn't something you have to keep a secret. If he told her and other people and his secret got out, his life and the lives of his friends would be ruined
I am really surprised that Mark didn't get mad when he found out Amber knew his secret identity. Legitimately she was rude to him, made it seemed like he was a horrible person for it and overall just saw him struggle and didn't help at all alleviate anything in his life.
It would have been okay if people called on her bullshit. She could have been a well written character (although still insuferable) if they portrayed her narcisism for what it is, instead of treating her like a victim. It was maddening how other people acted as if Mark was in the wrong. It could have been interesting to see Mark grow as a person by refusing to tolerate her behavior any longer and leaving her. Maybe it could have even played a part in the future, now that a rejected and narcisistic person possess the knowledge of Mark's hero identity and could blackmail him just like she did with that guy in the beggining. She would have gone from "Hated, badly written character" to "Hated, greatly written character" by playing on her flaws.
@@Ff323S She also just straight up could have been written better in general, even if they writers did wanna keep this entire plotline. Seriously, they only needed to make a few tweaks and it could have worked, but they clearly didn't think about this relationship or character at all. If they wanted her to be percieved as a good person, while also breaking up with Mark, they should have: - Not have her start their relationship when she finds out he's hanging out with Eve out of some weird jelaously, like why emphasise that specifically? Just have her ask him out by herself, could have even had her ask if he's going out with Eve and then when he says no have her say she's relieved cuz she liked him and wanted to go out with him. - Have a scene where she pieces together that he is Invincible and have it happen AFTER that whole cyborg attack, so she doesn't look bad for lashing out at Mark. - Have a scene where she tries to get Mark to admit he's Invincible by implying that she knows and be disappointed when he doesn't, rhen have a few more scenes of him neglecting her and her being sad to really build that relationship crash. - When she does have that final conversation with him, have her acknowledge that she likes the fact that he's helping people and that she can tell he's a really good, sweet guy, but that she doesn't think he's mature enough for a relationship and that she can't keep going out with him if he's going to keep making promises to her that he can't keep, while wasting her time in the process. Then, instead of being condescending and amgry, have her actually be sad and feel bad that she's breaking up with him. That would really sell the whole idea that she does still like him and understands he's going through a lot, but that it just doesn't seem to be a good time for them to be dating. - Oh, and finally. Why did they have her try to f*ck that guy less than 24 hours after their break up? Seriously, tf? They should have had that guy hitting on her instead and her refusing his advances after maybe thinking about it and then potentially even feeling bad for doing so. Like, did she even like him if she's willing to pork some random frat boy less than 24 hours after their break up?!
@@Ff323S I trust the writers here, image comics have just now spread their "author control" system to film and tv, so the person allowing and writing this stuff is the same guy that made invincible. So I trust him, because he is crazy good at build up and excecution.
Didn’t she try to cheat on him too? Or at least flirted and got rejected. When we thought she didn’t know it wasn’t as bad bc she’d be cheating on a distant boyfriend. But she kneeewwwwwww
@@Meanie74 Nah, it was still very, very bad. If you wanna fck somebody else, break up with your distant bf. It's that simple. Somebody being distant doesn't make it better.
i didn’t actually mind amber all that much, up until the reveal that she knew all along that he was invincible. then i just became so pissed. and then his friends started trashing on him too?? especially since eve should know how it feels to be a superhero. and then mark and amber get back together???? it’s infuriating
Yep, it made the college scene go from understandable to God-awful. If you knew, what's with the public berating and accusation of abandonment? You feel so entitled to his absolute trust as to manipulate him in terrible ways to get him to tell you? Went from liking her character alright to despising her, and audibly groaned and seethed when they got back together and she self-importantly compared Mark's lies to protect her to his dad's world-changing, life-wrecking lies. Like gtfo
I think this is more about how Mark shouldve been up front, and just not gone through with the relationship. Obviously, the greater good is to help people, but if Mark is committed to the relationship, he shouldve been honest instead of trying to lie, having his cake and eating it too. Mark either should've told her from the beginning, or cut the relationship off entirely. I dont think Amber necessarily meant to say she was more important than other people.
@@edwinbeta2806it doesnt make any sense to Tell her from the start. It is a secret identity after all, he needs to be sure if he can trust her with that information
It wasnt because he didnt trust her As he says "I wanted to tell you so many times" The only person he even told was eve and that was to thank her for saving his ass He didnt even tell william He found out on accident at the college
The position that you can't date someone who could need to go at any moment and can't necessarily give you their time is a valid one to be honest. But ofc Amber doesn't sit down with Mark and say "Our schedules aren't lining up, you have important things to do, let's just be friends or something." She full on shames and gaslight him despite knowing he's saving lives.
I honestly liked Amber's character until that episode, I always wondered why the hell she treated him like shit then just for not being with her knowing he was saving lifes
Remember in Spider-Man 2 when Mary Jane finally sees that peter is Spider-Man, and she instantly forgave him for not being there? That’s what should’ve happened here.
@@jfz468 She did... kinda. I mean, she tried to be understanding and deal with Peter constantly being in danger and saving lives, but I think she couldnt handle it in the end, because Peter and Spiderman, to her, were two different people in the same body. She wanted to be with Peter. But Peter was too busy being spider-man, so she didn't feel her love being repreciated. Which obviously wasnt the case, mind you, Peter tried every moment he had as Peter to get with her and be a couple. But sometimes, feelings dont follow the rationale. As for Amber: She a bitch. Didnt even try to understand Mark, nor did she try to NOT give him shit about him being a superhero.
@@jfz468 Peter was being kinda selfish in that movie. Her career was going poorly, and all Peter wanted to talk about was how great his career as Spider-Man was going.
@@lProN00bl dude, fuck off. If Amber knew weeks ago then she should have confronted him weeks ago instead of stringing him along for weeks, then getting mad that he never told her while showing absolutely no regard for his personal circumstances. He's out there saving lives and she's like "but we had a date". She's a stuck up bitch and Mark did nothing wrong. I wouldn't trust her either.
@@sosmooth13 I was about to say that until I saw your comment. She was interested in Mark and liked him already but hearing about him and Eve is what made her jump on it. She was lowkey toxic from the beginning.
What's supremely funny to me is that Mark literally goes through stuff that would emotionally traumatize a lesser person ALL THE TIME, and while he always bounces back, Amber treats the slightest inconvenience like it ruined her life.
Amber was the worst part of the show by far. And honestly the reason I always never get around to watching it again. A lot of the show is dealing with her narcissism.
@@nonameneeded2943 like acting like a lie that was intended to conceal his identity as a super hero and thus ensure both her and his safety while he went off and did superhero things is a complete betrayal of her trust
The expression on her face is so annoying too. Like you're a guest in Mark's house, have some respect and stop being bitchy about an inconvenience. You're the one that pursued him out of jealousy of Eve ffs.
Well you see, nimwit, there is no greater order than the soup kitchen, if you’re saving people from a grim and painful fate, do it after the soup kitchen, if you’re out stopping a crime lord who is a literal metalhead, do that after the soup kitchen, the soup is everything, the soup is all.
And I dont get how she said she figured it out weeks ago the day after they got back from the university. Like if you knew why did u ask him where the hell he ran off too at the college when he was fighting those half human half robots?? Like you KNEW that's what he was doing by then
@@MelloBello13 Only as powerful as the user. Sorta like Green Lantern. She could’ve obliterated Omni Man on the spot if she wanted to but instead she uses it for regular, much more practical stuff lol
I hope Amber continues her self-important, narcissistic, gas-lighting rants in Season 2 and that Mark stops simping, grows a pair and actually tells her to stfu, pointing out everything he's been through while all she's been worried about is that she's not getting as much attention as she wants.
@@therealsteel1634 No it doesn't. It seems like the writers might have caught on and made her all sweetness and light now. Too little too late for me, first impressions count.
_"You are fighting_ to keep a relationship whose only scenes are about how the relationship isn't working! _You let an innocent person get turned into a cyborg_ to 'save the relationship' with her even though she apparently knew the whole time and still wouldn't give you the time of day! She is completely unsympathetic to your plight, while Eve is right there! _Think, Mark! Think!"_
Eve sides with Amber. Claims he's the asshole. Another fucking superhero. "String her along for 5 months" is that what she calls trying to make the relationship work cause he really likes her but also has a responsibility to the world basically. And not telling her for the safety of himself and her as well. Fucking women man. Even the gay friend. Of course. Fuck all that shit.
What makes it worse is that Mark's best friends also treats Amber like she's the victim and he's a bad boyfriend. Whoever wrote the script around Amber needs a reality check on what a good relationship looks like and what a toxic nonsensical one is.
Maybe that’s the point though. We’re supposed to dislike amber cuz if you know the comic and where mark ends up, we’ll cheer even harder for him But thats just a theory
@@nvh6124 Writers couldn't have him say that. Or anything that would have been logical to explaining his situation. It would have cast Amber in a bad light. Bad optics for the narrative they were trying to push. They needed the strong, feminist, diversity insert to be in the right. The victim of Mark's apparent selfishness and distrust.
@@DocMicrowave The problem is, that when you think about what she says and then look at the things she has done, like the soup kitchen, it makes her look WORSE. In the end it is about her, and her being SEEN doing these things, and who she is with while doing them. She is pissed at Mark, who already has so many demands on his time that it is ridiculous, because he doesn't spend MORE time with her, even though she KNOWS why. It makes her seem incredibly shallow.
@@DocMicrowave I really hope they listen to their audience and write her out of any importance. She's so fucking annoying. This dude has a responsibility to save the world, a dad who wants/wanted to conquer humanity, and his dad damn near killed him while he massacred thousands of people...sometimes using Mark as the weapon. *I'm giving you another chance* Bitch how bout you give the man some fuckin space 😂😂😂
The worst thing about her is definitely the moment she told Mark she already knew he was Invincible, because it shows that she chose to for no reason keep him under the impression that she didn’t know, thus continuing to make him feel like he’s an asshole for having to disappear whenever he has to go be Invincible and for what? Like there was no reason for her to let Mark continue on believing that this is all his fault, I mean in the words of Debbie “Was it just to be cruel?” That’s the worst thing about her to me, that she played with Mark’s emotions that entire time even though she totally didn’t need to
I thought the meaning was clear. Wait until he is comfortable enough to open up about that, and possibly gauge how many lies and excuses he'll have to make until he tells her the truth. There was some inconsistency with this revelation though
Amber's "you lied to me" loses most of its validity when you consider that Amber was also lying by omission that she knew he was Invincible, and using life threatening situations as opportunities to test his loyalty... shed rather see innocents die than see her superhero boyfriend leave her side to save them. Mark made mistakes by not coming clean, but Amber was actively evil about it, putting her need to control her simp above the lives of others.
Mark was in the right to not come clean, actually. He barely knows Amber, imagine telling someone you barely know that you’re gay in a small Southern town. And toxic people have the capacity to do the absolute worst shit in breakups. Even if you don’t know they’re toxic, you could just be not feeling it, break up, and then they’ll try to damage your reputation by giving out personal/sensitive information. This is the whole point of building up that trust in the first years of a relationship.
He didn’t need to “come clean”. Other people don’t have the right to every detail of your life. You have the right to privacy and secrets. Secrets aren’t lies. They are personal facts that you can choose to keep personal bc other people often like to use them against you and cause pain when they know them.
I think you’re looking at it the wrong way. It is clear mark neglected his relationship with amber for 5 months. Even if his his reasons for doing so we’re very noble. If he doesn’t have the capacity to balance both lives he shouldn’t. Maybe she could’ve had more sympathy but what he did was wrong, even tho he had more important priorities.
@@aidenm7860 He DID NOT neglect his relationship you idiot. Literally at every pooint of him doing super heroes duty and almost dying he was thinking about her. Got her gifts from mars, texted her in the middle of saving people, and even flew to get her an AUTHENTIC Bawl chest. Rewatch the fucking show he did not neglect shit
@@TheNinja94ayes he's right to not come clean, but don't mess with someone in the first place in that case, telling them one thing and doing another, Amber's frustrations are not wrong, her reaction is
I always wondered if the show's take on Amber and Mark's relationship is suposed to mirror what Nolan said about Debbie. Like... "I do love Mark. But he's more like a pet to me!"
@@BoricuaKelfa that's is ridiculously stupid. Mark is NOTHING like his dad, he doesn't treat people like that, and he actually cares about people. And EVEN Omni-Man who is a complete Savage still cares about Debbie deep down.
I thought Amber was going to be an undercover agent for Cecil or some other agency. It makes sense why she’d string Mark along and gaslight him all the while keeping him under surveillance. Still kind of hoping w/ season 2 this is a thing because it’s really the only thing that would make her interesting at all. I mean how the fuck is she building schools in other countries as a high schooler, is that super common? This is the show where the family guy has full season arc to sudden character twist: space hitler the whole time.
Going to other countries for charity work actually isn't uncommon. I remember my second grade teacher did it a bunch. I myself once traveled to another location for charity, albeit it was in the country.
@@alfalldoot6715 yes but that’s a teacher, completely different. She’s a high schooler. I’m aware of charity work, but I think it’s only in there to show how super duper awesome Amber is and does nice things for poor people.
well of course, dumb woke writers tend to make “strong independent women” into absolute unlikeable assholes and make it so everyone must agree because they are a woman
The instant she said she knew he was Invincible, I went from understanding Amber to thinking she's the worst. They could have followed it up with "I figured it out a couple days ago and I didn't know how to take a break from you to figure this out without letting you know I knew your secret." Something like that would make me still be sympathetic to Amber, but to me at this point she should not be in Mark's life anymore. She clearly isn't mature enough to be in a relationship and she needs to learn that she needs to empathize with her partner.
Exactly, they could have made Amber somewhat likable if she discovered he was Invincible after saving her and the rest of the college from the cyborg. But the writers chose the worst option.
Mark really has the worst life in the entire series. He has a emotional abusive and manipulative girlfriend, and the his family life was completely shattered. He got to have some serious mental problems
fucking unbelievable, this damn girl must be the worst character I've seen my entire life. how do you compare being deceived for your WHOLE LIFE and then almost beaten to death with a lie about something she KNEW and never even once mentioned, also lying in the process. i hate amber
@@TotallyNotSena I was watching the show and every time Amber was on screen I thought “if Amber was in every scene, I would stop watching” she’s so insufferable and I don’t even know why Mark likes her in universe. They don’t have chemistry and she’s a bitch.
"I lied to you to save people and protect you and my dad lying to me for my entire life so he can ask me to take over the planet are not the same thing. THEY ARE NOTHING CLOSE TO BE SIMILER" mark if he actually had a back bone
@@nonameneeded2943 she said she knew for months and even then she still knew about all the things invincible and therefore did before she found out and they were together
@CL you're mistaken. She said "I figured it out weeks ago ". That it not "months". And I'm not sure what your last sentence is trying to say. She only knew mark was a hero In the last few weeks of their 6 month relationship. So you cannot try to say she valued his time over lives
"It's cute that you think that's enough." I couldn't believe how much I hated Amber when she said this. Considering all of the lives Mark saved, the ass-beatings he went through, and the fact that he almost died on multiple occasions.....yeah, it's MORE than enough. A lot of people would be dead if it wasn't for Mark, she has no right to make the argument that spending time with her is more important. She couldn't even see that keeping Mark's identity a secret was to protect HER, she just shits on him for that too. What an unbelievably conceited character.
She's some kind of narcissist, she volunteer among the poor to get attention, it's obvious when she show complete disregard for Mark saving people (her included) for certain death and she's complaining he doesn't spend time with her. Since it doesn't make her shine, she's not interested and it's not important.
He deserved it coz he is acting weak. It's not okay but it's the way it is. God created woman to be the best test for a man. You can make a team to beat a dragon or take over kingdom, build the tallest building that even God himself feared it will reach heaven but with a woman you need to deal yourself, you can't fight her but you must not fall under her will which manipulative personality and hot body is created to gain control over you and you must not let it or you done.
@@shayla106 i dont expect a woman to help a man to know the truth. You try to shut me up coz it will have effect on woman's influence on men who dont know about this information. This is major way a woman gets her power, the mans ignorance. It will not help you or any one. The weak man is more dangerous to a woman than the strong. i will tell you one not spoken truth and its not with hate or anger. It is wisdom that can save a nation. The weak man dont know how to show authority and get respect just like the way invincible is acting. That way he will become angry and vengeful for not getting what he want or is done with her disrepsect. That weak man can become the rapist and the wife abuser, not the strong man who know how to lead, knows what he wants and how to get it.
After rewatching the season, I have come to the conclusion that Amber wants a weak man she can protect and act higher than. Anytime Mark shows weakness, she's all about him, but whenever he stands up for what is right or does his superhero thing, she gets pissed off. She doesn't want a boyfriend, she wants a man weaker than her to use as a prop for her own narcissism.
@@Macomeparlifra She's an entitled woman who thinks she knows best, she is the most important person in the world, that everyone should be worshipping her for moral superiority and she wants everyone to be equally terrified of her. If she was white, like she was in the comics, she'd be rightly drowning in white-saviour complex. She is the prototypical SJW.
I hate how his “best friend” just made him feel worse and said that Invincible couldn’t do any better in that relationship .What a friend at all if you ask me
nah i think what his friend said is true. Mark is capable of fixing his problems so he shouldn't have complained about them rather than try and fix them. Same for Eve. She is right in what she said. If he was just dating Amber for fun then he doesn't have to tell her but if he saw her as a serious companion he should be honest. Now how Amber acted I side with Mark and his confusion
And the "best friend" ain't even a good character, he's just for representation and all these people are just shitting on Mark just because he kept fighting off bad guys and couldn't entertain poor Amber crying in her corner making a river from her tears.
Okay, but, a best friend's job isn't just to make you feel better, sometimes a best friend needs to tell you the real thing, tell you the truth, just like Eve did.
I feel like they could’ve saved her character by, instead of having her claim to already know his secret identity, she could’ve just said that she doesn’t want to date someone who’s never there for her, even if he is a superhero. That makes a lot more sense and is understandable.
I personally dont think she was supposed to be a good understanding person, I think how audiences view her was on purpose by the writing. If I remember shes even worse in the comics
@@danzeljohnson3341 she doesn’t really need a character arc. She just exists to help Marc grow as a character. And it also serves as a subversion of expectations bc the girl doesn’t immediately fall in love with someone just bc he reveals he’s a superhero.
@@mattschumacher4581 but a poorly executed subversion. She does like him she’s just controlling or at the very least manipulative. If she wasn’t such an humanitarian she’d actually be a good representation of American women
I feel her being an insufferable toxic, self-centered, girlfriend is intended, and help us root for him in his budding relationship with Atom Eve, but at the same time, like you said, it feels like they are serious in wanting us to like her... for some reason. That reason probably lies in the race swap and writing her as the feminist caricature of a "strong independent woman".
Exactly, putting a bitchy girlfriend in a show is fine, but expecting me to like the bitchy girlfriend because she's a black female is terrible writing.
@@Vewtle"expecting me to like the bitch girlfriend because she's a black female is shiity writing" You must not interact with any Black girls in real life, because this isn't shitty writing...it's real life. It's *literally* how they are
Mark’s under no obligation to tell you anything, bitch. And knowing who Invincible is under the mask makes you a target for Villains. He wanted to protect her from danger and she’s mad at him for it?
@@cardinalchaos2278 knowing a secret identity in and of itself puts no one in danger. It’s a misunderstood trope. It only really matters if villains know
@@shaquanwarren5985 THIS. If anything the people closest to a superhero should know just so they can be as prepared as they can be for some crazy shit to happen to them just for being in their orbit.
@@shaquanwarren5985 If it happens to be that his secret identity gets leaked out villains might come after people close to him and his hometown. This is why you can only really tell it to people you trust. 5 months of knowing someone is not enough. Rumors and told secrets always get spread quickly.
That god damn hug in the last episode pissed me off. She only comes back when he’s vulnerable like a true abuser. I wanted nothing more than Mark telling her to get the hell out of his house.
You know what, we could be looking at this all wrong. You may have either explained exactly what her plot is "to show abuse that men go through". This could actually be the point. I don't want to spoil anything in case you arent aware of the full story, but there is an extremely traumatic event in the book that I just don't know if they will cover. This could be the subtle replacement for that story arc, or it could just be an additional layer since they deal with mens issues in this book.
@@genokun299 so in this case, it would fit with the trauma mark experiences as the book addresses mens issues and societies perception of what men go through. This look at "abuse" would be par for the story.
@@singingchef23 Except that the *writer's* themselves have shown no indication that they disagree with Amber... Theories like your's would be better than what our unfortunate reality is most likely to give us.
What's especially weird is if the point of Amber is to be a strong female character for the viewer to latch onto, the writers really failed to do so, and tried too hard for no reason to make us think she's strong. Because a truly strong female character in Invincible is Mark's mother. Her ability to stand up to omniman despite this guy being the scariest dude on the planet, just cannot be compared.
Because they are self aware and know most republicans do not want that. Republicans are the demographic that pisses and moans any time a woman plays an important part in a story without being turned into a plot device or a reward for the male protagonist.@@rdc489
For me, the worst part is that I don't think the writers thought they were writing an asshole. I think they thought she was super cool and independent and everyone loves her. And I think that makes it worse. I can tollerate a purposefully bad character; Rex-Plode was supposed to be an asshole, so him being an unlikable asshole isn't a point against the show for me. The fact that they _think_ that _we like Amber_ makes it insulting.
I disagree. I don’t think the writers’ focus was to have everyone love her. I think their focus was to write a realistic character, in a sense that there are people out there who, to some degree, embody this character’s personality archetype. And in my opinion, they’ve succeeded. But at the same time, we’ve only been introduced to a single season. There is so much to be explored with so many these characters.
They wanted us to have an issue with her, she can't handle not being her partners number one priority. It's a relatively typical issue in a lot of relationships where people need to be their partners main focus, and if they aren't they have an issue with it. It's a form of codependency.
@@mosesfreeman528 if it was realistic she wouldnt be writen as a gods gift to Earth, I mean, she volounteers, has great grades, builds schools in the Philipines, if it was realistic, it would be at least hinted at thar she wasnt so perfect befour this scene, eg. Show that she shows contempt for people who arent perfect in her eyes, but no, she doesnt appear to care about that or anything else that might hint that she wasnt as perfect as she appears
@@mosesfreeman528 I used to agree with that sentiment, but unfortunately shows with these types of characters don't do as you suggest they do. They tend to glorify them even more. I wouldn't even be surprised if the writers put in an insult that was directed towards people who hate her while still writing her to be the insufferable, selfish, jackass she is - while continuing to have every other character glorify her flaws as virtues.
When they had Eve say that Mark was being an 'asshole' about the situation blew my mind, considering Amber's self-centered ass knew. Mark, if anything, has been too nice for his own good in the show so far.
I fully agree with you, but with how mark starts to change later through the overall series, i think its good that they are making him too nice for his own good right now
@IProN00bl because he isn't a fucking idiot that wants to risk his identity getting released putting his family and friends in danger but hey if that's self centered then sure he is.
yea mark was doing his best to be a good boyfriend and balance his super hero work and eve knows this, I dont see how he was being a asshole about it she prob would have done the same thing
@@lProN00bl how is he telling her his secret identity any good? Secret identities exist exactly for protecting those close to the hero. He lies to her so she is safe, but she gets annoyed because he vanishes when they're attacked at the University when she knows that he's the one protecting them in the first place... it makes no sense
Why can we never get a male character who sees their relationship is toxic and instead of being a simp or cheating why can’t one just, END THE RELATIONSHIP
A lot of 17 year olds are stupid and stay in toxic relationships because they don't know any better. He's basically been in a toxic relationship with his dad the entire time. This is his normal and he doesn't know there could be better for him.
There was an interview with Kirkman where he said that it was an oversight caused by having multiple writers working on different episodes at the same time that caused the "I've known for weeks" speech to happen
@@palazard95 The way these things get planned out, storyboarded etc, there's no way that's the truth. Not unless they were storyboarding each, individual episode at once with a vague, brief overview on the plot and completely ignored the comic the show is based on.
Amber is a perfect example of a toxic relationship partner. The only purpose I can possibly see her having on the show now, is to call out just how toxic she really is and have Mark dump her.
@Sean Remensperger Yeah I doubt it will go that way from what I've seen in this video they would most likely being influences for him to stay in a realtionship with her.
The scene I hated was when she saw mark “leave her” at the university (all while knowing he was invincible) to literally save her and everyone else there’s lives including his best friends. Then she gets pissed at him but knew it was him all along, so she knew he didn’t leave, quite the opposite so.... Why tf she mad?
I think that if she truly knew he was a superhero she was just trying to make him say it and then got pissed because he didn't and created another weird excuse
@@-szega She definitely has a self-importance issue. I tried to contextualize this in my head, and although, yes, trying to get Mark to tell her that he was Invincible may seem like a test, and he failed, what made her even worse was that she didn't even consider what Mark's situation is like. It feels like she has no empathy about what Mark has to do, and instead only thinks about her relationship and that alone. Mark needs to hide his secret identity to prevent those around him from getting targeted by villains/enemies and why does Amber not realize this? Because she feels self-important and feels that despite all the danger, despite all that, despite knowing that Mark is keeping the identity to keep people like HER safe, she doesn't read it like that? Instead, she reads the situation as Mark not being trustworthy. AND HOW IS THAT TRUST GOING TO PROTECT HER? She elevates herself in this situation. In a more realistic situation, she would have confronted Mark about this and empathized with him, saying that despite Mark's love for her, that a relationship with a superhero cannot work out. Instead, she keeps him on a leash, saying things like "Ill give him a second chance". It feels like she has no empathy for Mark at all, and this is why people feel that she is a narcist and borderline sociopath.
@@mc4tarzans I mean... Mark's 17 and I believe Amber's the same age. Sadly the no empathy thing is rather accurate for how a lot of teenage girls act towards their boyfriends before they really mature.
Thats what his father would say. The moment she knew he is saving the world and he makes her his haven of peace, this should tell very much. But No. She was the Amber she always is gaslightet him into thinking his doings are unsignificant in comparison to the fling with Amber. Don't wait any longer and just date Eve you two are so much better together Eve left her team, her ex and her family behind for a haven of peace in a forest. Invincible had his pet and his son as a haven of peace. So he could forget his priorities for a lifespan. Robot wants Monstergirl as his haven of peace
@@vogelfaenger6830 You're completely misusing the term "gaslight". Telling your significant other to prioritize the relationship or you walk is not gaslighting, it's a boundary, and a very reasonable one. The fact that he's a superhero means he's got good reason to make another part of his life a priority, but that's up to him and staying in the relationship is up to each of them. I seriously don't get why so many people have a problem with somebody deciding a relationship isn't for them. It's obvious the relationship had to end and Mark didn't have the will to end it. People are complaining she should have stayed with him but wouldn't have liked them together, anyway!
@@SirMandokarla maybe I'm using this term wrong, but she was a very toxic partner nonetheless. As long as she had the feeling of superiority she wanted the relationship, but the moment he took a bit of space for himself she had a problem. She only likes him when he is weak. And even tries to hurt him to stay on top. From the first moment I saw her I thought this is nobody you should mess with. She will do everything to humiliate you. Sure he was a notorious "being late" for half a year and she had every right to dump him for that. But the moment he reveals himself in front of her saying: "It doesn't matter that you save millions of people on a daily basis. I found out myself and still cause a fit about this. She didn't found out before he revealed himself. And she couldn't process it in the moment so she hurt him instead." And later when he lost his Dad she comes back to "offer" peace while he is at his lowest again and she has the highground again to manipulate him.
I forced myself to believe she was bluffing when Amber said she knew Mark is Invincible. It honestly would fit her "strong" character to hide her true emotions.
I really hope they use this excuse as a retcon in season 2. They could give her some backstory that would explain why she always feels the need to be in the right and seem smarter than everyone else. That would make her a lot more realistically flawed and human, while also not being a complete narcissist.
I think a more acceptable response from amber would have been “I know, I figured it out this morning. I’m not mad at you anymore I’m just coming to the realization that we can’t be together and it makes me sad. For these past 5 months you’ve ditched me over and over again and I know it was to be a hero and I’m glad you helped so many people. But how is our relationship gonna work if we can never truly spend time together? I want to be with you and spend time with you but I know hero work comes first. I know it sounds selfish but I want to be with someone who I can actually spend time with, and judging from the last 5 months I don’t think you and I would last long. So I think it would be best if we weren’t together, I still care for you but I just don’t see how we could work ya know?” It’s understandable and would make mark have a new perspective on the life he has chosen.
@@termigasts5227 yeah, cause you seem to be forgetting that she’s a dumb teenager too. Just like how Mark is, Mark did things wrong and so did Amber for that matter. They both handled the situation in the way that you would expect typical teenagers to handle the situation.
That's exactly the kind of thing I was expecting she would say when she revealed she knew Mark was Invincible. But I guess the writers decided that wasn't enough drama and went the stupid route.
I haven't even watched Invincible. Not a single episode. I am aware how good the show and its comics are; I just never got around to watching it after I got spoiled about Nolan. It is literally one of those trivial nights (as I write this comment) where I surf youtube before I go to sleep, and I already dislike this character. I've seen her in *clips* of the videos I have watched so far, and seeing her state that she knew Mark was a superhero even when he flaked on her when the cyborg attacked put a pit in my stomach. Dude, I know she isn't a superhero so she isn't obligated to, but if Amber neglected to help someone during that fight because she was playing being angry and scorned, I genuinely would have felt sour about Invincible for the rest of it. Honestly, now I'm even more discouraged to watch it lmao, probably not until season two.
Mark: I'm out there putting my neck on the line, saving lives. Also my dad mercilessly beat me to near-death after I refused to conquer Earth with him. Now he's gone, my mom is devastated and I'm kind of depressed. Amber: Oh boohoo. You didn't give me attention.
That's called a "charity narcissist" and it's actually pretty accurate to real life ones. narcs are good at pretending to be the victim and they have enablers ( Marc's friends) that taking their side because they're perfect and never wrong.
Ember is a very realistic narcissist I have to say. She takes all the opportunities she can to be the hero/badass/victim/judge whenever she can and only ever focuses on her part of the story, while getting offended and aggressive when others attempt to put focus on things that might matter beside her own interests.
Yeah my friend used to be like that, I posted a video that he sent on a group chat (he found a piece of the school’s wall on the floor of the school and broke it with his hands), and I sent it to a bigger group chat because it was funny, I was then sent a slew of death threats and stuff with no context, not realizing what I thought, and my dumbass friend immediately thought that he was right because, “yes”
Amber was only ever concerned with how a given situation made *her* feel. Mark withholding his identity made *her* feel stupid. His attempt to balance hero life with their relationship was a failure to fulfill *her* needs. To what degree did Amber even try to reciprocate? How supportive was *she* toward the difficulties Mark faced in his own life? Mark owned up to the emotional manipulation he inflicted by concealing his identity; how much did she own up to her own manipulation? Mark is a flawed but well-meaning person. Amber is a narcissist. Edit: Season 2 their relationship is much more healthy and reciprocal. Amber empathizes with him just as much as he does with her. Despite all the stress and inconvenience Mark's hero life brings them, she still loves him and wants him to use his powers for the greater good. Their [SPOILER] breakup comes from an incompatibility in lifestyle which they both recognize; they just can't live in each others' world. Season 2 fixed Amber. She's a good character now.
What people are missing is that Amber doesn’t see mark as a boyfriend, he’s more like a... pet to her. In the grand scheme of things, his life doesn’t matter much to her ego, until he’s finally seen as the universal victim. Then she needs him in her life.
She's treating him like one of her humanitarian pity projects. She came back at the end out if pity and because he was "lied to" as well. Not because of being beaten to near death. Such a toxic and narcissistic character.
@@asmokun Unlike Omni man, who was literally trained from birth to be an invader, Amber is from earth. Wonder which planet her parents had trained her to occupy. Also, Mark's mother thought that she could change the heart of an Alien completely alien to the concept of love. Omni man was selfish by duty. Amber is selfish because shut up and praise her.
What makes it worse is how Mark is partially alien, yet he still acts more human over Amber, plus they try to make Amber look like SHE'S in the right OVER MARK. How is actively saving humanity supposed to be worse than doing meaningless charity work? Literally, Amber is a girl that no one wants based on her actions. She's a toxic manipulator that I wouldn't even consider as a partner.
Amber seems like the kind of person who puts "good vibes only" and "empathy" on their Tinder profile, while actually being incredibly noxious and apathetic as partners.
@@damir_van_kalaz so why don't you break up with the person you KNOW is a superhero and despite trying their very best to balance everything can't provide you with what you want? But no. She decided that the best course of action was to argue with him and make him feel like shit while being toxic and mentally abusing him.
One thing I realized is that Amber despises strong men. the very first scene she talks down to a bully calling him a strong man. She gets interested in Mark when she thinks Mark is a weak half-Asian boy who gets kicked around. Mark being a less intelligent person is a bonus to her. She wants someone she can control, so whenever Mark doesn't follow Amber's schedule she gets mad feeling the loss of control. Whenever she sees Mark getting smashed to a pulp or sees the evidence of his weakness(like bruises), she comes back. I am pretty sure Amber is into some Femdom kink.
@@Couch_Banana not OP but society tends to stereotype Asian men and women as weak and submissive. This is honestly one of the few pieces of western media where I've seen an Asian man not portrayed as weak willed pushover or a joke. If I had to list all the times in media I've seen Asian men portrayed normally as just regular men I only need one hand to count them.
Even if she didn’t know Mark was Invincible at the college, let’s not forget that he just woke up from a coma like right before the trip. Like what was she really expecting him to do there?
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Holly fucking shit i forgot about that! If she believed the history they give to her, he could perfectly have trauma and this bitch goes and say shit to him?!
@ Bro I was so caught up on her actually knowing I didn’t even think how much worse it would be if she didn’t know like how are you going to turn on your friend when they just came out of a fucking coma
@@Jaysolate That's true, he wouldn't have a coma, but if she didn't know that he was Invincible, then that would make it logical for her to think that he was in a coma. I could have explained that better, but you know what I mean
I'll never understand the sentiment that said Amber was good until episode 7. TBH, I was pretty on the fence about Amber for most of the series. Amber had some positive moments, but there are many other questionable actions she did before that people overlook. Amber blackmailing a bully to shove her crush to deliver a phone number is not quirky; it's manipulative. And why should it matter that she didn't know that Mark was disemboweled by Battle Beast? She was still told that he was hit by a bus, left in the hospital for several weeks, comes to her house with bruises, and hunched over in pain. And she waits for only a few sentences before stating how angry she was that he missed the soup kitchen. She doesn't even wait a full day after her breakup before she tries to bang a college frat guy. She's railing against Mark, accusing him of being untrustworthy and not valuing her. But she clearly didn't value Mark all that much considering how quick she was willing to jump ship. And she didn't stop pursuing the rebound guy because of some moral or character-driven realization. The guy had a girlfriend, so goodbye revenge sex. All of this doesn't even mention her forced chemistry with Mark. The writers tried so hard to make her clever or quirky that it honestly just comes around to be uncanny. "Oh, a study date. A non-threatening environment with the possibility of something more serious. Smooth, Mark Grayson." "Ring ring. Handsome Mark Grayson. It's Amber." So much of her dialogue feels like a non-self-aware parody of romantic comedies. While people's biggest issues with her come out in episode 7, it also works to affirm any negative thoughts or frustrations people had with her before. I hate when people use the excuse, "hate the writing, not the character." Characters are a part of writing. Criticizing a character is the exact same as criticizing the writing and vice versa. It's not like episode 7 was written in a vacuum that dismissed the context of the previous episodes. TV seasons are planned and written for months before going into production. The scripts had to be drafted, approved, written, edited, re-written, re-approved before going into production and handing it to voice actors. The entire production team was aware of what direction they wanted to take Amber. But considering how amazing the rest of the show is, a blemish like Amber's character sticks out as particularly inept and tone-deaf.
Now you, you understand. You got it all right, even the fact that she is supposed to feel off, everyone acts like all the payoff needs to be all at once.
Damn, this was like therapy for me. My ex would berate me because I was in the first year of running my own small business and had to work every single damn hour of the day to pay rent. And she would tell me that she was unhappy because she didn't get enough attention or nice things paid for her and it was like DUDE look at what I'm dealing with right now She gave me the ultimatum and I was on the brink of caving but thankfully we just broke up and now my business is doing great and I'm really happy with my life.
When the man works, she complains to be unhappy, alone at home, feeling abandoned and the "workaholic husband" pays no attention or buys nice things to her; on the other hand, when the man is a complete freeloader bum, she complains that she supports the home alone and feels treated like a domestic slave. Trying to please women nowadays is like trying to satiate a black hole in universe.
I bitched about this character for literally hours after the first time I watched this show, and for some reason none of my friends agreed that she was a terrible character. Glad other people agree though, it's nice knowing I'm not crazy.
@@bornstar481 dude stfu. It's racist to hate a bad character that happens to be black? Are u crazy? We love Titan and Rex, and Eve and Debbie. You're the only racist one here since your opinions are prejudiced on race
I was 100% team Amber right up until the "I knew" line. Ruined that character for me...Went from easily my favorite character to my least in a single line, now that is impressive!
I wouldnt say i was 100% team Amber (mainly bc of her yelling at him for supposedly getting the police, i felt like while she still had a right to be upset, she didnt have to yell at him for trying to get the authorities involved) but i definitely sympathized with her up until that point. Same with my bf. It was the worst thing they couldve done with her character. They could've had her say she was putting the pieces together but didnt fully know and was upset that he lied but understood and with a fresh start, they could start a relationship again
HIs dad (the guy he trusts the most) just turned his face into mashed potatoes and all she can think about is how he lied to her about being a superhero what a fucking self entitled bitch
@@mustafaal-ghezi1757 The only way, and I mean the ABSOLUTE ONLY WAY I can see Amber being redeemed, is if she had been lied to, been cheated on, been abused a LOT to a point where it makes sense that Amber feels like lying is like ripping her heart out and stomping on it. That way, it would make sense why she acted the way she did. She knew she was being lied to for a good reason so she didnt make much of an issue out of it, but everytime she was being lied to it reminded her to all the other times she was being lied to. I mean, that would mean she does her absolute best to serve humanity the best she can and yet she's constantly treated like she's exposable. That's the only was I can see her anger being lashed out to mark as a personal flaw that she needs to get over. If that is the plan of the writers, well, good job. It would make sense if her trying to be too nice to people was the reason she's so toxic to people close to her. She let people inside her walls and everytime they instantly hurt her. I really hope this ends up being the case, it's the only way to redeem Amber as a character while also making her feel human.
@@Predated2 unfortunately I don't think the writers will think that deeply. Hopefully they do see all the overwhelming criticism and address how toxic she is. But I just hope she leaves the show next season
@@milk-el8vq I mean, the only one who is kinda an odd one out would be Eve, but Eve has stated earlier that dating non-heroes is peculiar. Let alone that both Eve and William are assuming Amber doesn't know. Assuming Amber doesn't know while Mark is stringing her along without any good explanation, especially since Eve complained AFTER the day they spend in the kitchen(which, yknow, could be a place where Amber told Eve about her past, Amber going to William to find some comfort in Mark's odd behaviour and explaining to William about her past would easily fit too). So yeah, Amber will need a very hefty backstory to fix it all. If she doesn't have a scarring backstory, there is no reason for Eve and William to back Amber up. Note that no one knew Amber knew Mark was a superhero. That is an often forgotten detail in people hating on Amber. And as she stands now, there is a huge reason to be turned off by Amber alone. But that doesn't mean she's irredeemable.
When she said “I mean it’s cute you think that’s enough” I knew she wasn’t the one for him. Bro literally gets beaten to death to protect everyone else and while in the hospital still remembers his date and plans with her, girl what are you on about
@@xavierhardison1231 ohh believe me, some do, you got bills to pay and goals to acheive and that ticks them off, got cursed out the other day for apparently "working too much!" Which in return i calmy ask who's gonna pay my bills? Still haven't got an answer😂🤣
I love eve but i have to admit that moment at the falls was unforgivable. She knew firsthand EVERYTHING that mark was going through and why he couldnt be there for amber, and she even vouched for him to amber because of it. Also lets not forget eve was the one who literally advised him to not date amber because it would be literally impossible to date a non-hero while having to keep a secret identity. So with all that in mind where does she have the right to suddenly claim that he acted like a jerk to amber??
A lot people who do charity and helping can be selfish and emotionally stupid in personal relationships. Easy to help strangers but not close people. A lot of narcissistic people do good things to make themselves good looking but you would not a relationship with them.
@@Zeldagirl86 Yeah it was kind of weird how often she brought up her "doing good things." Seemed kind of like bragging, or "this is why you should be nice to me" type stuff.
Virgin Amber: “You made me feel stupid and unimportant.”
Chad Debbie: “Aliens? You mean Tuesday.”
True Amber is fucking stupid.
debbie is a queen
I dont like what this comment implies
@@iammadeoutofstarstuff957 explain i have a smooth brain pls
@@iammadeoutofstarstuff957 you know they're right.
“We’ve been planning this dinner for 2 months!”
“The city is in danger!”
“My EVENINGS in danger.”
Lmao. Glad someone else sees the parallel.
Even when super heros are saving more lives than all of EMS and are selfless enough to not only jeprodise their mental health but their lives on a pretty much daily basis to save thousands, still wont b enough for todays women
“MY SOUP IS IN DANGER”
@@Overlylord “HONEY? WHERES MY SOUP?!”
@@t8nto "Uh I put it away"
“You made me feel stupid and unimportant!”
*cuts to mark saving mankind from a fucking asteroid*
I dunno it was pretty obvious he was super hero later on. She baited him out into saying it bare n he just dodges it. Relies on his mates to cover for him n takes yonks to own up for it. Then at the end she asks him where he went to see if he'll tell her n he lies again saying he went for help. I think she's just not fussed over someone who won't tell her
@@genghisfarn but when she calls him out at the college they are out in the open in public so its unfair for he to expect him to reveal his secret identity there and then.
@@genghisfarn This line of reasoning is some of the dumbest shit i hear all the time. They have been dating for a very short period of time. His secret puts the lives of a FUCKTON of people at risk, from his family to his entire school. There is absolutely no reason to tell amber anything.
If she can't handle that fact, then she's nothing but a petty bitch.
@@NerdCymru yeah he didn't have to shout it out. Just say calm I'll tell you, p bait anyway. Idk I wasn't that fussed over her as a character tbh, I can see it from her perspective there's no point dating him if he doesn't want to share who he is. The comments seem to be a bit whiny about breakups, like she punished him or something. She just waited a long time to see if they could be super buds then when she found out he was gonna keep it a secret forever she thought fair play find someone else.
@@werewolf873 Maybe that's the whole point, if they can't talk about it there's no reason to date. Breaking up with someone isn't that peak uno she's not obligated to date him n tbh would you wanna date someone who you didn't really see
the most bizarre experience of watching this show was watching amber reveal that she already knew mark was invincible and then having your brain flashback through all the things she did and said that suddenly make no sense if she knew.
It makes perfect sense if you just accept that she's a bad person. At any point, she could have fixed everything between the two of them by just letting Mark know she knows he's Invincible. The problem is that's not enough for her. Rather than taking the mature approach and telling him she's aware so they can have a healthy and honest relationship, she wants him to tell her to prove to her that he's good enough for her, which is why she punishes him through gaslighting and trying to pick up other guys when they're at the college campus.
especially blaming him for disappearing during the university fight
She’s a woman. Makes sense to me.
if you watched the show you'd know she knew for about a month only, which is exactly the time they spent apart.
@@gustavosanches3454 : Ok.
"You lied to me"
Meanwhile Mark is getting his innards turned into ground beef
*SECRET IDENTITY* ❗❗❗❗
He was turned into mashed potatoes bruh.
Can’t wait to get more of the Battle beasts, not even Nolan could touch him!!
@@ericjones9668 I can’t wait for his fight against Thragg to be animated, the comics did a wicked job making their fight
@@williamcanales4371 me tooooo!! Rumors say Kirkman has a 7 season deal with Amazon and they're working on seasons 2 and 3 right now, at the same time! My guess is Conquest will be the antagonist of the 3rd but we won't get to see the Grand Regent until the 5th but fingers crossed!!
Amber knows he is Invincible and then yells at him for abandoning her and not prioritizing her, right after she watched him save her life and knew it was him doing it...
Its all about her! Next season instead of Invincible, the title will have AMBER instead. And they won't use a blood splash as the series progresses - it will be substituted with sand to indicate how Amber s sandy genitals
She doesn't yell at him for not sparing time for her, but for not sparing her any honesty.
Amber wanted honesty. If she commits so much time to a person, she wants to know that person trusts her. Mark didn't trust her. That's why he kept his identity a secret. Wanting to keep her safe doesn't work if you need to lie indefinitely.
Sooner or later, if Mark wants a long lasting relationship, it needs to be with a person he doesn't need to keep things secret from. It's not like Nolan hid his identity for his wife. We also see other heros being honest with their regular human SOs.
If he doesn't want to endanger a person with his secret identity, he shouldn't pursue a serious relationship with that person. That's better than lying. Mark would rather have Amber believe he's constantly standing her up than having to be single. It's fundamentally selfish. "You must belief I'm a terrible boyfriend so that I at least have a girlfriend" is effectively Mark's mindset. He is choosing to cause he misery.
@@oOPPHOo bro like yeah he lied to her but what was the reason ohh yeah it was to fucking save life's she gotta get that her pathetic relationship problems is not worth losing life's and
also will you reveal you secret identity and therefore endangering a person you just met 5 months ago am like 95% sure the other hero had time to know there partners I don't think they just revealed there identity just like that
@@amineb1182 No, it wasn't to save lives. It was to save lives AND keep having a girlfriend. If he just wanted to save lives without endangering her, he could've simply broken up with her, but he didn't want that. He wanted to have his cake and eat it too regardless of how it affected Amber.
_"also will you reveal you secret identity and therefore endangering a person you just met 5 months ago"_
Yes. And I would expect the same of someone I dated.
_"[I] am like 95% sure the other hero[s] had time to know there partners[.] I don't think they just revealed there identity just like that"_
There's only one case we know for sure, but in that case, it's exacly what happened. Nolan lives a secret life, but he didn't hide anything from his wife.
@@oOPPHOo You're forgetting Mark is in high school. 95% of high school relationships don't last. Imagine telling your high school girlfriend your secret identity and then break up and never see them again. You don't know what they're going to do with that information. People change after high school, sometimes for the worst. The difference between him and Omni Man and some of the other superheros like Eve is that they either were in long term committed relationships for years or dating other superheros.
*Omni man beats Mark into a coma*
Amber: Why weren’t you at the soup kitchen?!?!
Mark to omni man
"Hit me again daddy"
@@CreedM8 Nolan to mark
"Nani"
“you make me feel stupid and unimportant”
"I'll omni man ur shit right now cuh"
I wouldn’t be mad if Omni Man beats up Amber
The scene where everyone was watching Omni Man beating the hell out of invincible, Amber was shocked coz she couldn't believe Mark was getting his ass whooped instead of apologizing to her.
Real reason Amber likes Mark... Cause he can take a beating.
Abusive relationship much?
Okay I don’t necessarily agree that she sucks as a character but holy fuck that is funny.
@@theobservantsome9095 You don’t think she sucks? Lmao I gotta hear your reasoning
😂😂
@@轟焦凍-g9p I sort of agree with @theobservant stone.
I think Amber is a well written terrible person / power addict. I think she was lying in the reveal scene because she had lost power (realising that Mark is Invincible) and the moral high ground. She used the emotional manipulation to reassert power over Mark and accepts him back on her terms.
Tldr: Toxic character, but well written.
She was understandable when she didn’t know his identity. Knowing he’s a super hero makes her an absolutely horrible person for acting that way
Yep. A dumpster fire
yeah that one thing makes her entire reason for disliking him fall apart
@@P51F86F4F15F22 That's messed up dude. you deserve better.
@@justincarlozmaxino1100 yep, blocked me and everything. So I kinda get the sentiment behind this video
@@P51F86F4F15F22 I didn't get into any relationships while I was in the service, but I saw it happen all too often. Sorry it happened to you, hope things are better now.
Lucky she wasn’t talking to Omniman like that. He would’ve killed her just to prove another point to Mark. “Think Mark THINK!!!”
Honestly… I would’ve been completely ok with that
Sadly none of her red flags were death flags.
Amber is the absolute greatest justification for Omniman's plan.
I hope she gets squashed in the Viltrumite War.
No spoilers pls, although she isn't in the comic, so who knows, they might smear her on the wall at the very start of season 2.
@@MizantropMan she is in the comics, but there she’s a basic white girl. And more reasonable person as well
The fact that Marks friends take Ambers side just makes me mad. It is clear to everyone that Amber was in the wrong but Marks closest friends still take her side and call him a shitty people. That's what really pisses me off. As if Eve didn't hide her secret identity from several people.
Yeah. I know. IT really didn't make sense except for a forced validation for people to somehow like Amber and it is totally backfiring.
We all know it's the same reason she was blackwashed.
Mark is a bad boyfriend though. That's undeniable. He has all the right reasons to be a bad boyfriend, and Amber is an ass for getting mad at him after finding out, but he's a bad boyfriend nontheless
@zillva I mean the healthy thing for them to do was to break up, it's not her fault that she needs a partner that will be there for her more than Mark is, and it's not her fault Mark isn't able to fulfill that role, so I think them breaking up was just the most mature and responsible way to resolve it
@@Gravecoyote For sure. Mark really tried to make that happen though, so when its revealed Amber knew for a while, and still blew up, it makes her come of as a huge ass, imo.
She treated him like a coward who ran and ditched them despite knowing he was fighting the cyborg. She knew this but chose to act like he ran to save his own skin. She belittled him into revealing his identity to prove he didn't run and abandon her and she replies with 'fly away, flyboy'
A very toxic character in my mind and she had the audacity to say she only forgave him because she wasn't 'the only one being lied to' well thank God Mark's father had been lying to him his entire life if not Amber would never have forgiven him, it wasn't the near death beating that softened her heart, nope, it was the fact that he was also being lied to
Such a selfish, narcissistic character
This is a s8 Game of Thrones level of script writing, lol)
@@HeyArno1d exactly. Amber 'kinda forgot' how to be a reasonable human being
This is what happens when a libtard writes characters.
@@Miyakolover this.
Mind you she knew Mark was getting beaten to a pulp and almost died multiple times since the "bus thing" where she supposedly figured it out. If she knew there was no sign of her mentioning it or reacting to it in anyway whatsoever in the season. If she did actually care about Mark to begin with she would have felt afraid or sorry for him and try to alleviate that burden in anyway, or at least be more sympathetic. The fact that she did know also means that everything she did since she "found out that Mark got hit by a bus" was a performance, she was definitely gaslighting him and when she cried those tears were obviously crocodile tears if she was lying and could just shrug it off the next day.
The moment she said she knew, all my sympathy went out the window. You went from someone suffering in darkness from something you don't know to purposefully watching Mark wiggle at your feet as he struggles between you and his responsibilities as a hero, and you shame him for it. Absolutely disgusting
Absolutely well said all the love for the character turned to complete distain and disgust when finding out she knew all along but still chose to be this piece of shit to him in between him saving countless lives and pleasing her “demands and needs”.
not to mention anytime she was 'sorry' was after he(or someone close to him) had told her, what he went through, or a fascimilie, like when gained his powers and any NORMAL person would have been bruised to F, if still standing, from the school bully, being 'hit by a bus', etc
It literally turned her from a confused girl who thought her feelings were being played with to a straight up narcissist. Mark has been through so much and she's just completely self involved.
Meh. I actually kinda like it better with her knowing. It muddies the waters. Mark is supposed to be a train wreck, struggling with everything, making mistakes, and doing an outstandingly poor job of balancing and separating his civilian and superhero lives... Back when Amber was oblivious to everything it kinda made her seem a bit *too* oblivious and a bit selectively air-headed... After all, the original Amber was little more than a walking plot point... meant to serve Mark's character development...
With this development, it actually gives her half a dimension more to her character than the flimsy, malleable wet cardboard she was originally... It's not much... but I'll take it. In the original comic, when he and Amber got back together, I felt nothing aside from the flimsy hope that "Well... Maybe Mark will actually get his shit together and it'll work out for him this time?" With *this* version of Amber, I'm actually kinda excited for the train wreck that I expect from them. Even with the better understanding of Mark's situation, this version of Amber just isn't of the personality to be able to function well in a relationship with a superhero (provided they don't treat her half a personality like Play-Doh from here, like they did to the original)... and Mark is still a mess. It'll be fun to watch them try, and we already know Mark is going to grow and learn to do better eventually, being the main character and all, but I wanna see how they work with the little bit conflicting personality this version of Amber has. Will she grow enough to realize she's not a good fit? Will she double down? Will she actually develop into a better fit? That last one seems unlikely, but still. I actually have some interest in this version of Amber... Whereas in the original, I didn't care about her in the slightest... It was just about Mark.
Agreed, I honestly liked the character but then she just had to be the "she knows everything and always has to be right" type character with that one line
Mark almost dies to some Lion and goes into a coma, but Amber really needed him at the Soup Kitchen 🍜😋
So she is just to somehow know he was getting brutally beaten
@@crudenaru8778 by that point, she had already known mark was a superhero and should have figured it would take a lot more than a bus to harm him that badly
@@crudenaru8778 man she knows hes a hero
@@ahmed-nasserbihi549 ya ik but how is she supposed to know that he is dying
@@crudenaru8778 she should understand that he is doing a lot more good being a super hero than in a soup kitchen lol
I’m honestly really sick of the “You lied to me about being a superhero to protect me, screw you.” trope. It’s lazy, overdone and tired. Considering Amber wants to help people you’d think knowing Mark was a superhero she’d be beyond proud of the guy.
Thank fuck she’s normal in S2
@@DictionaryMan unfortunately even then the catch is the change is so jarring that she feels like a different character with the same voice, look and name.
@@Evoker23-lx8mb it makes sense, she probably feels bad for Mark after he almost got beaten to death by omni man
@@DictionaryMan that would make sense but it’s mostly unexplained so it just feels like she’s acting out of character. But if having her acr out of character means she acts like a decent human being, that’s the WAY lesser of two evils so I’ll take it.
@@DictionaryManWhat's crazy about that though is what it took for her to actually sympathise with him. Bro got beaten in front of millions of people, NOW you feel bad for him?
"OH MY GOD, MARK, I CANT BELIEVE YOU CHOSE TO SAVE THE PLANET AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE INSTEAD OF HANGING OUT OF ME"
LOL, I guess if she had actually said that, it really would have been considered 'going to far'.
Even the hardcore Amber fans would have had a hard time coming up with excuses for that.
Lol "I can't believe you chose to save my life instead of hanging out with me!"
@Daniel Greenberg not when im done
@Daniel Greenberg but it is only murica
I mean its not exactly like that, its more that he kept it a secret. But like there are reasons superhero's have secret identities and one of them is literally her own fucking safety.
amber seems to be the type of person that "cares about others" just to have a moral high ground over her peers
Much better put than what I've been saying, but I also get a feeling there is a bit of "Look at me and the great things I've done!" in her character. Especially evident when she tells Eve about building schools in Peru. It comes across as low key bragging, and her rant at Mark in the end makes it feel even more so when you look back.
It is all about her and how she is SEEN that is important to her. NOT what she has actually done.
Amber has a moron's high ground.
I hate to say it this way but thats most young people these days
.......you mean a sjw
They turned Amber into what all SJWs aspire to be while ironically (and most likely unintentionally) capturing the stuck up moral high ground ego pretty well.
It's really odd the way they changed up Amber compared to the comic version. They changed her race without any reason other than what I can suspect is an attempt to race-bait people who dare ask why, and in the comic she in fact had no idea Mark was a superhero all this time and its when he reveals he is Invincible that she finally understands.
But spoiler alert, Mark and Eve get together and stay that way in the comics, and I hope they ditch Amber in the show too.
The fact that she supposedly knew and still bitched about mark being late all the time means she literally values her dinner plans over hundreds, or possibly thousands, of innocent people
The Incredibles made a joke about that for fucks sakes. IN 2004! And this shows taking it seriously.
@@randomguy6679 *MY EVENING IS IN DANGER!*
@@MFenix206 You tell me where that suit is woman!
well she serves food to the poor at the soup kitchen so that evens it out
@@MFenix206YOU TELL ME WHERE MY SUIT IS WOMEN ITS FOR THE GREATER GOOD
The "but you lied to me" right before Mark gets his guts spilled all over the ceiling was top tier 🤣
"The public is in danger!" "My evening's in danger!"
WHERE IS MA SUPER SUIT
This comment deserves more likes
WHY DO YOU NEED IT?
The funny thing is that while that wife gave him some shit. At the end of the day she knew Frozone being a superhero was more important.
This is the best comment I’ve seen all year 😭💯
You're wrong. Mark did do something wrong. He did the worst thing he possibly could have. He started dating Amber.
Simp
@Sean Remensperger damn straight 💯
@@youcantbeatk7006 You guys don't seem to know the meaning of words...
@@unitron2005 The only people who whines about the word simp are simps. The word has a very broad meaning.
Bruhhhh send me that PFP
"We were both lied to"
Yes, not telling you that he's Invincible after only 5 _months_ of dating is equivalent to finding out the last 17 years of your life was a lie, your dad killed the strongest people on the planet, and threw you through a train but go on.
*burn*
Fr that sht made me so mad. She minimized his trauma and said they're situations are equal when they remotely aren't. What a fking selfish and toxic bitch she is
@@maxh276 yeah. Like him lying about his super identity can compare to...well... EVERYTHING about Nolan really. Especially since it's HIS FATHER.
This.
You put it into words...
THE CHOSEN ONE
I hope that in season 2 mark eventually realizes how toxic amber is and breaks up with her
That what happens
@@DaughterCesarthank god
Well they are both toxic.
Mark thinks that just because hè is a superhero that it will excuse all of his behaviour and lies.
And Amber is to self absorbed.
Well looks like they are just gonna do a 180 on her personality
@@thatonedudeaпросто закрыв глаза на всё то, что было. Лучше бы она и дальше была сукой, которую Марк бросил по воле сценаристов, так вообще не имеет мужества.
Впрочем, не исключено, что этот "новый шанс" от Эмбер в очередной раз приведёт к "ты решил остановить теракт вместо просмотра сериала со мной".
It's like knowingly dating a firefighter and being mad he's down at the station to save peoples lives.
Yeah he is fighting the flames but it also makes you feel unimportant!!!!!
No it's like dating a firefighter, seeing him come home covered in ash every day, and yet every time you ask, he looks you in the face and tells you that what you know to be true isn't. She said she was mad about the lying. All he had to do was tell her.
@@BigWillProductions1 she knew he wasn't cheating.
She knew what he was doing was very important.
She knew it wasn't a secret you just throw out after a few months of dating in highschool.
She knew that despite how important it was he did as much as he could to spend time with her.
Idk man. If the truth was so important to her she should have been truthful about how much she knew instead of pussyfooting around the issue exactly like mark was.
@@SuperMegatronus I agree her communication should have been better aswell. I'm just saying that her reason for being upset is logical. In your firefighter example, you'd be pissed that someone you love acts like their dumb excuses are enough when you know they are lying. Especially when she realized he'd rather she leave him for supposedly abandoning her in a time of need, rather than be honest that he's a hero. I understand why she's mad.
Also they are teenagers. I fought about the dumbest stuff with my exs in HS. I feel like people are slinging hate at her whole character when Mark isn't being forthcoming and IS being selfish. When your girl breaks up with you over something like that, your gay best friend and other female friends 100% side with the girl who dumped you XD.
This video starts by saying the show wrote her badly by not giving her flaws, then goes onto point out that her flaws are how perfect she sees herself to be. That is the issue. The writing is realistic AF, just as both of their reactions. Mark complains that if she knew she shouldn't be mad at him. He points out that illogic. She also points out her own issue with the lying. Both of them are on even footing.
I just dont agree that she's a bad character or totally in the wrong. They both made bad choices by not communicating, but what do we expect from 17 year olds?
@@BigWillProductions1 yeah but being a firefighter isn't something you have to keep a secret. If he told her and other people and his secret got out, his life and the lives of his friends would be ruined
I am really surprised that Mark didn't get mad when he found out Amber knew his secret identity. Legitimately she was rude to him, made it seemed like he was a horrible person for it and overall just saw him struggle and didn't help at all alleviate anything in his life.
It would have been okay if people called on her bullshit. She could have been a well written character (although still insuferable) if they portrayed her narcisism for what it is, instead of treating her like a victim. It was maddening how other people acted as if Mark was in the wrong.
It could have been interesting to see Mark grow as a person by refusing to tolerate her behavior any longer and leaving her. Maybe it could have even played a part in the future, now that a rejected and narcisistic person possess the knowledge of Mark's hero identity and could blackmail him just like she did with that guy in the beggining. She would have gone from "Hated, badly written character" to "Hated, greatly written character" by playing on her flaws.
@@Ff323S She also just straight up could have been written better in general, even if they writers did wanna keep this entire plotline.
Seriously, they only needed to make a few tweaks and it could have worked, but they clearly didn't think about this relationship or character at all.
If they wanted her to be percieved as a good person, while also breaking up with Mark, they should have:
- Not have her start their relationship when she finds out he's hanging out with Eve out of some weird jelaously, like why emphasise that specifically? Just have her ask him out by herself, could have even had her ask if he's going out with Eve and then when he says no have her say she's relieved cuz she liked him and wanted to go out with him.
- Have a scene where she pieces together that he is Invincible and have it happen AFTER that whole cyborg attack, so she doesn't look bad for lashing out at Mark.
- Have a scene where she tries to get Mark to admit he's Invincible by implying that she knows and be disappointed when he doesn't, rhen have a few more scenes of him neglecting her and her being sad to really build that relationship crash.
- When she does have that final conversation with him, have her acknowledge that she likes the fact that he's helping people and that she can tell he's a really good, sweet guy, but that she doesn't think he's mature enough for a relationship and that she can't keep going out with him if he's going to keep making promises to her that he can't keep, while wasting her time in the process. Then, instead of being condescending and amgry, have her actually be sad and feel bad that she's breaking up with him. That would really sell the whole idea that she does still like him and understands he's going through a lot, but that it just doesn't seem to be a good time for them to be dating.
- Oh, and finally. Why did they have her try to f*ck that guy less than 24 hours after their break up? Seriously, tf? They should have had that guy hitting on her instead and her refusing his advances after maybe thinking about it and then potentially even feeling bad for doing so.
Like, did she even like him if she's willing to pork some random frat boy less than 24 hours after their break up?!
@@Ff323S I trust the writers here, image comics have just now spread their "author control" system to film and tv, so
the person allowing and writing this stuff is the same guy that made invincible. So I trust him, because he is crazy good at build up and excecution.
Didn’t she try to cheat on him too? Or at least flirted and got rejected. When we thought she didn’t know it wasn’t as bad bc she’d be cheating on a distant boyfriend. But she kneeewwwwwww
@@Meanie74 Nah, it was still very, very bad. If you wanna fck somebody else, break up with your distant bf. It's that simple.
Somebody being distant doesn't make it better.
“Mark’s IQ cuts in half whenever he’s around her”
Ngl that actually *is* somewhat realistic
Probably cause the blood from his brain keeps going somewhere else…*wink*
@@JDog2656 True Mark lost a lot of blood after getting beat up by his dad
@@JDog2656
Yeah, all over the floor.
@@alinastanescu4430 I think you guys are missing the joke 😅
@@JDog2656 No, they're *enhancing* it XD
She is probably part of the reason why Invincible turned evil in most universes
i didn’t actually mind amber all that much, up until the reveal that she knew all along that he was invincible. then i just became so pissed. and then his friends started trashing on him too?? especially since eve should know how it feels to be a superhero. and then mark and amber get back together???? it’s infuriating
"You were a shitty boyfriend" aight next time mark should just let the asteroid hit, i mean sure Amber would die but at least she's the priority ig.
right! i was on her side up until the moment she said she knew Mark was invincible. I was like HUH
I feel you
Yep, it made the college scene go from understandable to God-awful. If you knew, what's with the public berating and accusation of abandonment? You feel so entitled to his absolute trust as to manipulate him in terrible ways to get him to tell you? Went from liking her character alright to despising her, and audibly groaned and seethed when they got back together and she self-importantly compared Mark's lies to protect her to his dad's world-changing, life-wrecking lies. Like gtfo
I feel like William had a right to bash him because he literally got his potential BF turned into a cyborg because his call wasn’t important enough.
“Saving the world isn’t a valid excuse”this sounds like something a teacher would say
I think this is more about how Mark shouldve been up front, and just not gone through with the relationship. Obviously, the greater good is to help people, but if Mark is committed to the relationship, he shouldve been honest instead of trying to lie, having his cake and eating it too.
Mark either should've told her from the beginning, or cut the relationship off entirely. I dont think Amber necessarily meant to say she was more important than other people.
@@edwinbeta2806 the good ending: mark tells amber at the start
@@edwinbeta2806it doesnt make any sense to Tell her from the start. It is a secret identity after all, he needs to be sure if he can trust her with that information
@@SirZNK
Shouldn't have gone out with her at all if he couldn't trust her with the biggest part of his life
It wasnt because he didnt trust her
As he says
"I wanted to tell you so many times"
The only person he even told was eve and that was to thank her for saving his ass
He didnt even tell william
He found out on accident at the college
She literally values her time over thousands of peoples lives
The position that you can't date someone who could need to go at any moment and can't necessarily give you their time is a valid one to be honest. But ofc Amber doesn't sit down with Mark and say "Our schedules aren't lining up, you have important things to do, let's just be friends or something." She full on shames and gaslight him despite knowing he's saving lives.
@@priamneville5899 bruh
@@priamneville5899 “HOW DARE YOU SAVE THAT PLANE FROM CRASHING, WHEN YOU COULD’VE HELPED ME IN THE SOUP KITCHEN”
Lol I get all kinds of "she knows her worth" vibes from her😂
And also mark has almost died multiple time trying to save people
I honestly liked Amber's character until that episode, I always wondered why the hell she treated him like shit then just for not being with her knowing he was saving lifes
Ikr I absolutely loved her but then I watched that episode and every once of respect I had for her was gone instantly 😭😭
she didnt know he was invincible, she just said that because shes a narcissist and hates losing
Amber: He should've been here by now, what's more important than me!?
Mark: *Being sent to the shadow realm by Battle Beast*
And in the sub, thats just Hell
@@voidtectonic Shadow Realm>Hell
@@physical_insanity yes, but I just like to flex my nerdiness
@@voidtectonic Smh.
He was visiting he's ancestors for a quick minute
Remember in Spider-Man 2 when Mary Jane finally sees that peter is Spider-Man, and she instantly forgave him for not being there?
That’s what should’ve happened here.
Tbf Mary Jane turned into a bitch again in Spiderman 3
@@jfz468 She did... kinda. I mean, she tried to be understanding and deal with Peter constantly being in danger and saving lives, but I think she couldnt handle it in the end, because Peter and Spiderman, to her, were two different people in the same body. She wanted to be with Peter. But Peter was too busy being spider-man, so she didn't feel her love being repreciated.
Which obviously wasnt the case, mind you, Peter tried every moment he had as Peter to get with her and be a couple. But sometimes, feelings dont follow the rationale. As for Amber: She a bitch. Didnt even try to understand Mark, nor did she try to NOT give him shit about him being a superhero.
@@jfz468 Peter was being kinda selfish in that movie. Her career was going poorly, and all Peter wanted to talk about was how great his career as Spider-Man was going.
@@VeryProfessionalGamer yea that’s a good point, I kinda said that knowing the reasonings and all that
@@iambuhlockay8007 good point my comment was kinda empty lol
She the type of girl to say “you never take me out shopping anymore!” While you’re on life support at the hospital
Except you lied to her that you were even at the hospital.
@@lProN00bl dude, fuck off. If Amber knew weeks ago then she should have confronted him weeks ago instead of stringing him along for weeks, then getting mad that he never told her while showing absolutely no regard for his personal circumstances. He's out there saving lives and she's like "but we had a date". She's a stuck up bitch and Mark did nothing wrong. I wouldn't trust her either.
@@lProN00bl how is not telling someone about a SECRET IDENTITY lying or a terrible thing HE and EVERYONE on the planet including amber almost died
@@lProN00bl stop simping for amber in the comments you're pathetic
@acountddd no she's the the type to get mad because you give her money, but don't spend it on herself because your in hospital
Amber just be like “You should just let people die so you can go out with me! Your existence revolves around mine!”
If we being real, Amber didn’t want Mark until she heard that he was dating Eve.
When did she hear that?
Watch the 2nd episode I think. She didn’t think about dating him until rumors about him and Eve popped up
I’m glad you caught that lol although she still showed a slight bit of interest beforehand, her hearing about Eve sped things up for sure.
@@sosmooth13 I was about to say that until I saw your comment. She was interested in Mark and liked him already but hearing about him and Eve is what made her jump on it. She was lowkey toxic from the beginning.
Toxic
What's supremely funny to me is that Mark literally goes through stuff that would emotionally traumatize a lesser person ALL THE TIME, and while he always bounces back, Amber treats the slightest inconvenience like it ruined her life.
That's how feminists act all the time
What's not so funny is people exist out there for real that are like that.
Amber was the worst part of the show by far. And honestly the reason I always never get around to watching it again. A lot of the show is dealing with her narcissism.
Like what? Give me examples of her overreacting to "slight inconveniences"
@@nonameneeded2943 like acting like a lie that was intended to conceal his identity as a super hero and thus ensure both her and his safety while he went off and did superhero things is a complete betrayal of her trust
"The worst thing about invincible"
*Sees thumbnail*
Enough said
"This man knows what he's talking about." 😂
Truer words have never been spoken
The expression on her face is so annoying too. Like you're a guest in Mark's house, have some respect and stop being bitchy about an inconvenience. You're the one that pursued him out of jealousy of Eve ffs.
Max H yes yes yes eggfuckingzactly
@@maxh276 my man, you speaking facts!! never let toxic beatches try to force authority on to you
Well you see, nimwit, there is no greater order than the soup kitchen, if you’re saving people from a grim and painful fate, do it after the soup kitchen, if you’re out stopping a crime lord who is a literal metalhead, do that after the soup kitchen, the soup is everything, the soup is all.
Winning comment
"Im not an idiot, i figured it weeks ago"
"Then why are we fighting?"
"Because the script writer was too brain-dead to give me common sense"
And I dont get how she said she figured it out weeks ago the day after they got back from the university. Like if you knew why did u ask him where the hell he ran off too at the college when he was fighting those half human half robots?? Like you KNEW that's what he was doing by then
Because she shouldn't have had to figure it out. God get out of that basement.
@@lProN00bl Wait, are you suggesting he should have just told her straight up?
@@lProN00bl telling your crush that you're a super secret alien demigod sounds like a terrible idea.
her acting irrational is the whole thing though
nobody acts with common sense 100% of the time, idk what people want here lmao
She just exists to make Mark and Eve a strong relationship later
Thank God.
Can we talk about how overpowered eves ability is
@@MelloBello13 no
Lol
@@MelloBello13 Only as powerful as the user. Sorta like Green Lantern. She could’ve obliterated Omni Man on the spot if she wanted to but instead she uses it for regular, much more practical stuff lol
"I'm a strong independent woman who values helping others above all else...but I need you to give me constant attention over saving lives."
Woman moment
She's not a strong independent woman, she's a self-important narcissist.
I bet they were so proud over twisting the whole boyfriend reveals secret superhero lifestyle clichè.... just that it made zero sense.
Sure the world can be destroyed and lots of lives can be lost but you'll still have your precious attention. Good for you
@@daubenyhervis6437 incel moment for you, if you believe every woman is the same. Every woman is literally different on terms of personality.
I hope Amber continues her self-important, narcissistic, gas-lighting rants in Season 2 and that Mark stops simping, grows a pair and actually tells her to stfu, pointing out everything he's been through while all she's been worried about is that she's not getting as much attention as she wants.
Right? I don't want the writers to fix her, instead they should make her even more of an asshole so mark can move on easily.
doesn't seem to be going like that rn
@@therealsteel1634 No it doesn't. It seems like the writers might have caught on and made her all sweetness and light now. Too little too late for me, first impressions count.
@@therealsteel1634It’s a slow burn.
@@ChadeGBIf anything Invincible has thought us that this is just the beginning 😂
_"You are fighting_ to keep a relationship whose only scenes are about how the relationship isn't working! _You let an innocent person get turned into a cyborg_ to 'save the relationship' with her even though she apparently knew the whole time and still wouldn't give you the time of day! She is completely unsympathetic to your plight, while Eve is right there! _Think, Mark! Think!"_
Eve the goat
That last line bro 💀 😂
Eve sides with Amber. Claims he's the asshole. Another fucking superhero. "String her along for 5 months" is that what she calls trying to make the relationship work cause he really likes her but also has a responsibility to the world basically. And not telling her for the safety of himself and her as well. Fucking women man. Even the gay friend. Of course. Fuck all that shit.
At least he and eve are supposed to get together
Finally, Omni-man being a father to him and giving genuine advice
What makes it worse is that Mark's best friends also treats Amber like she's the victim and he's a bad boyfriend. Whoever wrote the script around Amber needs a reality check on what a good relationship looks like and what a toxic nonsensical one is.
This is one of the main reasons I prefer the comics. I started both of them around the same time and comic Amber is so much better.
No kidding. William's relationships felt normal compared to Mark and Amber's.
Maybe that’s the point though. We’re supposed to dislike amber cuz if you know the comic and where mark ends up, we’ll cheer even harder for him
But thats just a theory
@@otenko28 A comic theory, thanks for reading
Honestly knowing Amazon it probably had a team of writers that didn't communicate well.
"I've known for weeks!"
*Then why were you so pissed when I dipped to change clothes and save you from the Cyborg-Chads?*
I wish mark say that
@@nvh6124 Writers couldn't have him say that. Or anything that would have been logical to explaining his situation.
It would have cast Amber in a bad light. Bad optics for the narrative they were trying to push.
They needed the strong, feminist, diversity insert to be in the right. The victim of Mark's apparent selfishness and distrust.
@@DocMicrowave Exactly
@@DocMicrowave The problem is, that when you think about what she says and then look at the things she has done, like the soup kitchen, it makes her look WORSE. In the end it is about her, and her being SEEN doing these things, and who she is with while doing them.
She is pissed at Mark, who already has so many demands on his time that it is ridiculous, because he doesn't spend MORE time with her, even though she KNOWS why. It makes her seem incredibly shallow.
@@DocMicrowave I really hope they listen to their audience and write her out of any importance. She's so fucking annoying. This dude has a responsibility to save the world, a dad who wants/wanted to conquer humanity, and his dad damn near killed him while he massacred thousands of people...sometimes using Mark as the weapon.
*I'm giving you another chance*
Bitch how bout you give the man some fuckin space 😂😂😂
The worst thing about her is definitely the moment she told Mark she already knew he was Invincible, because it shows that she chose to for no reason keep him under the impression that she didn’t know, thus continuing to make him feel like he’s an asshole for having to disappear whenever he has to go be Invincible and for what? Like there was no reason for her to let Mark continue on believing that this is all his fault, I mean in the words of Debbie “Was it just to be cruel?” That’s the worst thing about her to me, that she played with Mark’s emotions that entire time even though she totally didn’t need to
I thought the meaning was clear. Wait until he is comfortable enough to open up about that, and possibly gauge how many lies and excuses he'll have to make until he tells her the truth. There was some inconsistency with this revelation though
Amber's "you lied to me" loses most of its validity when you consider that Amber was also lying by omission that she knew he was Invincible, and using life threatening situations as opportunities to test his loyalty... shed rather see innocents die than see her superhero boyfriend leave her side to save them. Mark made mistakes by not coming clean, but Amber was actively evil about it, putting her need to control her simp above the lives of others.
Mark was in the right to not come clean, actually. He barely knows Amber, imagine telling someone you barely know that you’re gay in a small Southern town.
And toxic people have the capacity to do the absolute worst shit in breakups. Even if you don’t know they’re toxic, you could just be not feeling it, break up, and then they’ll try to damage your reputation by giving out personal/sensitive information.
This is the whole point of building up that trust in the first years of a relationship.
He didn’t need to “come clean”. Other people don’t have the right to every detail of your life. You have the right to privacy and secrets. Secrets aren’t lies. They are personal facts that you can choose to keep personal bc other people often like to use them against you and cause pain when they know them.
I think you’re looking at it the wrong way. It is clear mark neglected his relationship with amber for 5 months. Even if his his reasons for doing so we’re very noble. If he doesn’t have the capacity to balance both lives he shouldn’t. Maybe she could’ve had more sympathy but what he did was wrong, even tho he had more important priorities.
@@aidenm7860 He DID NOT neglect his relationship you idiot. Literally at every pooint of him doing super heroes duty and almost dying he was thinking about her. Got her gifts from mars, texted her in the middle of saving people, and even flew to get her an AUTHENTIC Bawl chest. Rewatch the fucking show he did not neglect shit
@@TheNinja94ayes he's right to not come clean, but don't mess with someone in the first place in that case, telling them one thing and doing another, Amber's frustrations are not wrong, her reaction is
Its fine because we all know mark is gonna start tapping the red head
I think we’re all waiting for the inevitable
@@littlejj6228 i think we are all waiting for the i-*title card*
@Noe Martinez HELL YEAH!!! WE ARE!!
I hope to god so 🙏
@Noe Martinez
I desperately, desperately want them to cast Jeffrey Dean Morgan as Conquest.
I always wondered if the show's take on Amber and Mark's relationship is suposed to mirror what Nolan said about Debbie.
Like... "I do love Mark. But he's more like a pet to me!"
😂😂😂
It wouldn't surprise me at all
@@BoricuaKelfa At least she wont 69 the pet.
@@BoricuaKelfa that's is ridiculously stupid. Mark is NOTHING like his dad, he doesn't treat people like that, and he actually cares about people. And EVEN Omni-Man who is a complete Savage still cares about Debbie deep down.
@@addidaswguy Read the comment again, the Implication is that Mark is the Pet
I thought Amber was going to be an undercover agent for Cecil or some other agency. It makes sense why she’d string Mark along and gaslight him all the while keeping him under surveillance. Still kind of hoping w/ season 2 this is a thing because it’s really the only thing that would make her interesting at all. I mean how the fuck is she building schools in other countries as a high schooler, is that super common? This is the show where the family guy has full season arc to sudden character twist: space hitler the whole time.
I love that theory.
Going to other countries for charity work actually isn't uncommon. I remember my second grade teacher did it a bunch. I myself once traveled to another location for charity, albeit it was in the country.
@@alfalldoot6715 yes but that’s a teacher, completely different. She’s a high schooler. I’m aware of charity work, but I think it’s only in there to show how super duper awesome Amber is and does nice things for poor people.
Honestly I really hope season 2 has a moment where Mark calls out Amber. He would be COMPLETELY justified.
Not simply call her out, but completely kick her out of his life.
I hope he dumps her and dates AtomEve. She might even be able to do some smart-atom stuff and life a long time with him.
@@St.Raptor oh cmon man xD
@@matheusdiefenthaeler5342 O: DID I FIGURE IT OUT!?! Also, I'm pretty sure Allen is super important. Is that correct?
@@St.Raptor you probably read the comics xD, but if by any chance you didn't, yes for the former and not yet for the latter
The fact the even other characters seem to think Mark was wrong, shows us that the writers really think Amber was a good character.
Who the hell decided to mix alcohol and drugs into that radiated shot glass?
Yup
They better not try to keep them together.
@@skyereave9454 well he apparently gets with Atom Eve in the comics so most likely he'll break up with Amber
well of course, dumb woke writers tend to make “strong independent women” into absolute unlikeable assholes and make it so everyone must agree because they are a woman
Amber:”you made me feel stupid and unimportant”
Mark:”stopping an asteroid”
🗿
Mark getting his rib cage crushed by a Lion with superstrength wielding a golden mace
Mark getting his face caved in by a bunch of cyborgs.
Mark Getting fucked up by the aliens from the other dimension
Mark getting his fucking stomach blown open from a *FUCKING WARRIOR CAT*
Mark getting the life beaten out of him by his own father
The instant she said she knew he was Invincible, I went from understanding Amber to thinking she's the worst. They could have followed it up with "I figured it out a couple days ago and I didn't know how to take a break from you to figure this out without letting you know I knew your secret." Something like that would make me still be sympathetic to Amber, but to me at this point she should not be in Mark's life anymore. She clearly isn't mature enough to be in a relationship and she needs to learn that she needs to empathize with her partner.
Exactly, they could have made Amber somewhat likable if she discovered he was Invincible after saving her and the rest of the college from the cyborg. But the writers chose the worst option.
Let’s not forget that Amber compared Mark lying to her to Marks dad lying and traumatizing him.
“I guess we were both lied to.” -Amber
Mark really has the worst life in the entire series. He has a emotional abusive and manipulative girlfriend, and the his family life was completely shattered. He got to have some serious mental problems
fucking unbelievable, this damn girl must be the worst character I've seen my entire life. how do you compare being deceived for your WHOLE LIFE and then almost beaten to death with a lie about something she KNEW and never even once mentioned, also lying in the process. i hate amber
@@TotallyNotSena I was watching the show and every time Amber was on screen I thought “if Amber was in every scene, I would stop watching” she’s so insufferable and I don’t even know why Mark likes her in universe. They don’t have chemistry and she’s a bitch.
@@Asygn1134 I mean he was used by the person he loved most as a human battering ram...that in itself is enough to cause mental illness
"I lied to you to save people and protect you and my dad lying to me for my entire life so he can ask me to take over the planet are not the same thing. THEY ARE NOTHING CLOSE TO BE SIMILER" mark if he actually had a back bone
the fact Amber knew means she valued dinner plans and a college campus over the entire human race including her best friends and family
That's just selfish definitely......you picked that over like idk
A god dam alien invasion
She only knew for a few weeks
@@nonameneeded2943 she said she knew for months and even then she still knew about all the things invincible and therefore did before she found out and they were together
@CL you're mistaken. She said "I figured it out weeks ago ". That it not "months". And I'm not sure what your last sentence is trying to say. She only knew mark was a hero In the last few weeks of their 6 month relationship. So you cannot try to say she valued his time over lives
@@nonameneeded2943 even then she still treated him like shit when she knew exact what he was doing, saving the world
"It's cute that you think that's enough."
I couldn't believe how much I hated Amber when she said this. Considering all of the lives Mark saved, the ass-beatings he went through, and the fact that he almost died on multiple occasions.....yeah, it's MORE than enough. A lot of people would be dead if it wasn't for Mark, she has no right to make the argument that spending time with her is more important. She couldn't even see that keeping Mark's identity a secret was to protect HER, she just shits on him for that too. What an unbelievably conceited character.
She's some kind of narcissist, she volunteer among the poor to get attention, it's obvious when she show complete disregard for Mark saving people (her included) for certain death and she's complaining he doesn't spend time with her. Since it doesn't make her shine, she's not interested and it's not important.
He deserved it coz he is acting weak. It's not okay but it's the way it is. God created woman to be the best test for a man. You can make a team to beat a dragon or take over kingdom, build the tallest building that even God himself feared it will reach heaven but with a woman you need to deal yourself, you can't fight her but you must not fall under her will which manipulative personality and hot body is created to gain control over you and you must not let it or you done.
An unbelievably moronic character*
@@seven7upndown241 You sound sick and evil. He’s not weak.
@@shayla106 i dont expect a woman to help a man to know the truth. You try to shut me up coz it will have effect on woman's influence on men who dont know about this information. This is major way a woman gets her power, the mans ignorance. It will not help you or any one.
The weak man is more dangerous to a woman than the strong.
i will tell you one not spoken truth and its not with hate or anger. It is wisdom that can save a nation.
The weak man dont know how to show authority and get respect just like the way invincible is acting. That way he will become angry and vengeful for not getting what he want or is done with her disrepsect. That weak man can become the rapist and the wife abuser, not the strong man who know how to lead, knows what he wants and how to get it.
After rewatching the season, I have come to the conclusion that Amber wants a weak man she can protect and act higher than. Anytime Mark shows weakness, she's all about him, but whenever he stands up for what is right or does his superhero thing, she gets pissed off. She doesn't want a boyfriend, she wants a man weaker than her to use as a prop for her own narcissism.
The whole reason she was interested in the first place was because he took a beating for defending her.
sounds like my ex alright
Well it was mentioned that she was a 4th wave feminist
@@garrytalarocfr
@@Macomeparlifra She's an entitled woman who thinks she knows best, she is the most important person in the world, that everyone should be worshipping her for moral superiority and she wants everyone to be equally terrified of her. If she was white, like she was in the comics, she'd be rightly drowning in white-saviour complex. She is the prototypical SJW.
I hate how his “best friend” just made him feel worse and said that Invincible couldn’t do any better in that relationship .What a friend at all if you ask me
what do you expect? HE'S G-
@@IbrahimKhan-ix9vt JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA OMG I CHOKED ON MY FOOD JESUS CHRIST 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
nah i think what his friend said is true. Mark is capable of fixing his problems so he shouldn't have complained about them rather than try and fix them. Same for Eve. She is right in what she said. If he was just dating Amber for fun then he doesn't have to tell her but if he saw her as a serious companion he should be honest. Now how Amber acted I side with Mark and his confusion
And the "best friend" ain't even a good character, he's just for representation and all these people are just shitting on Mark just because he kept fighting off bad guys and couldn't entertain poor Amber crying in her corner making a river from her tears.
Okay, but, a best friend's job isn't just to make you feel better, sometimes a best friend needs to tell you the real thing, tell you the truth, just like Eve did.
I feel like they could’ve saved her character by, instead of having her claim to already know his secret identity, she could’ve just said that she doesn’t want to date someone who’s never there for her, even if he is a superhero. That makes a lot more sense and is understandable.
That just changes it from bad to bland. She still doesn’t have a story arc
I personally dont think she was supposed to be a good understanding person, I think how audiences view her was on purpose by the writing. If I remember shes even worse in the comics
@@danzeljohnson3341 she doesn’t really need a character arc. She just exists to help Marc grow as a character. And it also serves as a subversion of expectations bc the girl doesn’t immediately fall in love with someone just bc he reveals he’s a superhero.
@@mattschumacher4581 but a poorly executed subversion. She does like him she’s just controlling or at the very least manipulative. If she wasn’t such an humanitarian she’d actually be a good representation of American women
So she'd still be a bitch but a lesser one. I don't think this addresses the problem at core.
It is so sad that he is trying his best and she makes him feel like he is a bad person and not doing enough
FUCK THAT FEMINAZI
@@bigfrankfraser1391 factual information detected
Called being a woman
@@Merkyaself1917 not all women are that bad give em some credit
@@dommyWommy82 eh. They make a mountain out of an ant hill.
I feel her being an insufferable toxic, self-centered, girlfriend is intended, and help us root for him in his budding relationship with Atom Eve, but at the same time, like you said, it feels like they are serious in wanting us to like her... for some reason. That reason probably lies in the race swap and writing her as the feminist caricature of a "strong independent woman".
If that's the case idk what went wrong because a lot of reactors I've seen tend to side with Amber
Exactly, putting a bitchy girlfriend in a show is fine, but expecting me to like the bitchy girlfriend because she's a black female is terrible writing.
@@Vewtle"expecting me to like the bitch girlfriend because she's a black female is shiity writing"
You must not interact with any Black girls in real life, because this isn't shitty writing...it's real life. It's *literally* how they are
@@E1ucidate Remind me not to interact with any black woman then, considering you think they're all douchebags.
@@E1ucidateexactly my thoughts, that sassy queen attitude is the most common trope for them.
Mark: *Literally saves earth*
Amber: "but you didn't immediately tell me all your secrets"
Mark’s under no obligation to tell you anything, bitch. And knowing who Invincible is under the mask makes you a target for Villains. He wanted to protect her from danger and she’s mad at him for it?
@@cardinalchaos2278 knowing a secret identity in and of itself puts no one in danger. It’s a misunderstood trope. It only really matters if villains know
@@shaquanwarren5985 THIS. If anything the people closest to a superhero should know just so they can be as prepared as they can be for some crazy shit to happen to them just for being in their orbit.
@@shaquanwarren5985 If it happens to be that his secret identity gets leaked out villains might come after people close to him and his hometown. This is why you can only really tell it to people you trust. 5 months of knowing someone is not enough. Rumors and told secrets always get spread quickly.
@@shaquanwarren5985 >breaks up with girl who knows your identity
>she can now blackmail you any second of the day
Wow
Mark actually DID do something wrong.
He took her back in the last episode.
Which was a fucking mistake!!!!!!!
Worst mistake ever
Precisely
True ..that was his mistake xD
Never get together with the same bitch twice learned that a year ago
That god damn hug in the last episode pissed me off. She only comes back when he’s vulnerable like a true abuser. I wanted nothing more than Mark telling her to get the hell out of his house.
You know what, we could be looking at this all wrong. You may have either explained exactly what her plot is "to show abuse that men go through". This could actually be the point. I don't want to spoil anything in case you arent aware of the full story, but there is an extremely traumatic event in the book that I just don't know if they will cover. This could be the subtle replacement for that story arc, or it could just be an additional layer since they deal with mens issues in this book.
@@singingchef23 i think i know the event your talking about and it was fucked up
@@genokun299 so in this case, it would fit with the trauma mark experiences as the book addresses mens issues and societies perception of what men go through. This look at "abuse" would be par for the story.
@@singingchef23
Except that the *writer's* themselves have shown no indication that they disagree with Amber...
Theories like your's would be better than what our unfortunate reality is most likely to give us.
Shoulda rocked that bitch’s shit OmniMan-style…
Well, at least she's not the worst woman named Amber...
Damn 5 likes? I got this instantly I’m surprised this doesn’t have more likes
What's especially weird is if the point of Amber is to be a strong female character for the viewer to latch onto, the writers really failed to do so, and tried too hard for no reason to make us think she's strong. Because a truly strong female character in Invincible is Mark's mother. Her ability to stand up to omniman despite this guy being the scariest dude on the planet, just cannot be compared.
What irony that the “strong independent female” translated directly to “manipulative, narcissistic, psychopathic, evil monster”
As a republican I agree that we need less fake strong women and more capable females.
@@mesmorrow What does you being a republican have anything to do with this
Because they are self aware and know most republicans do not want that. Republicans are the demographic that pisses and moans any time a woman plays an important part in a story without being turned into a plot device or a reward for the male protagonist.@@rdc489
@willb.5225I disagree with you how she's unlikable you forgot they got characters that cheat and kill people
For me, the worst part is that I don't think the writers thought they were writing an asshole. I think they thought she was super cool and independent and everyone loves her. And I think that makes it worse. I can tollerate a purposefully bad character; Rex-Plode was supposed to be an asshole, so him being an unlikable asshole isn't a point against the show for me. The fact that they _think_ that _we like Amber_ makes it insulting.
i totally agree with you
I disagree. I don’t think the writers’ focus was to have everyone love her. I think their focus was to write a realistic character, in a sense that there are people out there who, to some degree, embody this character’s personality archetype. And in my opinion, they’ve succeeded. But at the same time, we’ve only been introduced to a single season. There is so much to be explored with so many these characters.
They wanted us to have an issue with her, she can't handle not being her partners number one priority. It's a relatively typical issue in a lot of relationships where people need to be their partners main focus, and if they aren't they have an issue with it. It's a form of codependency.
@@mosesfreeman528 if it was realistic she wouldnt be writen as a gods gift to Earth, I mean, she volounteers, has great grades, builds schools in the Philipines, if it was realistic, it would be at least hinted at thar she wasnt so perfect befour this scene, eg. Show that she shows contempt for people who arent perfect in her eyes, but no, she doesnt appear to care about that or anything else that might hint that she wasnt as perfect as she appears
@@mosesfreeman528 I used to agree with that sentiment, but unfortunately shows with these types of characters don't do as you suggest they do. They tend to glorify them even more. I wouldn't even be surprised if the writers put in an insult that was directed towards people who hate her while still writing her to be the insufferable, selfish, jackass she is - while continuing to have every other character glorify her flaws as virtues.
Came back a year later, I've realized something.
Amber moved cities and changed her name to velma thinking nobody would notice.
Holy shit you're right
HA
😂😂 holy hell
Wholly sheeet
Damn, didn't know she could also change to another minority race, is this an ability they have?
On the contrary, Amber is quite a realistic character with realistic flaws. Being an insufferable gaslighter is actually very common nowdays.
When they had Eve say that Mark was being an 'asshole' about the situation blew my mind, considering Amber's self-centered ass knew. Mark, if anything, has been too nice for his own good in the show so far.
I fully agree with you, but with how mark starts to change later through the overall series, i think its good that they are making him too nice for his own good right now
How is Mark lying to Amber not self-centered again?
@IProN00bl because he isn't a fucking idiot that wants to risk his identity getting released putting his family and friends in danger but hey if that's self centered then sure he is.
yea mark was doing his best to be a good boyfriend and balance his super hero work and eve knows this, I dont see how he was being a asshole about it she prob would have done the same thing
@@lProN00bl how is he telling her his secret identity any good? Secret identities exist exactly for protecting those close to the hero. He lies to her so she is safe, but she gets annoyed because he vanishes when they're attacked at the University when she knows that he's the one protecting them in the first place... it makes no sense
Amber’s behaviour lowkey makes me think Omni-Man may have been right about humans
Omni Man did nothing wrong
Wait there are doubts he's wrong?
I honestly want to die by omni man if all the humanity is punished or going with me XD
@@highoctanesynx7950 "Yo! THIS GUY IS EDGY! EDGY AS SHIT!!" -FilthyFrank
@@highoctanesynx7950 hah edgy 14 year old
I ain't edgy, i saw enough s*** in my life that i don't mind some alien warlord invasion at this point
And i really wish i was 14......
Why can we never get a male character who sees their relationship is toxic and instead of being a simp or cheating why can’t one just, END THE RELATIONSHIP
In this case Mark didn't probably have a "real" relationship before Amber so he wouldn't be able so see if she was a toxic person in my opinion
@@teodormintov6773 Oh that's a good point. That's a good one.
Someone better show him some hallmark.
The thing about toxic relationships is the fact one doesn't let the other end it
Because it would go against their political agenda when it comes to writing
A lot of 17 year olds are stupid and stay in toxic relationships because they don't know any better. He's basically been in a toxic relationship with his dad the entire time. This is his normal and he doesn't know there could be better for him.
The funny thing is the Season 1 version of Amber was such a shitshow that it feels like they completely re-wrote her for Season 2.
There was an interview with Kirkman where he said that it was an oversight caused by having multiple writers working on different episodes at the same time that caused the "I've known for weeks" speech to happen
@@palazard95 The way these things get planned out, storyboarded etc, there's no way that's the truth. Not unless they were storyboarding each, individual episode at once with a vague, brief overview on the plot and completely ignored the comic the show is based on.
Amber is a perfect example of a toxic relationship partner. The only purpose I can possibly see her having on the show now, is to call out just how toxic she really is and have Mark dump her.
@Sean Remensperger Yeah I doubt it will go that way from what I've seen in this video they would most likely being influences for him to stay in a realtionship with her.
good thing mark is with eve now
I pray he does
Thank god they did it was a female character who is also of color. They wanna take every role so let them take a bad portrayal role #gottem
Sounds dope man
The scene I hated was when she saw mark “leave her” at the university (all while knowing he was invincible) to literally save her and everyone else there’s lives including his best friends. Then she gets pissed at him but knew it was him all along, so she knew he didn’t leave, quite the opposite so.... Why tf she mad?
i think the writers thought "mark grayson left but invincible came to the rescue" type bs
I think that if she truly knew he was a superhero she was just trying to make him say it and then got pissed because he didn't and created another weird excuse
Is called being a narcissistic sociopath.
@@-szega She definitely has a self-importance issue. I tried to contextualize this in my head, and although, yes, trying to get Mark to tell her that he was Invincible may seem like a test, and he failed, what made her even worse was that she didn't even consider what Mark's situation is like. It feels like she has no empathy about what Mark has to do, and instead only thinks about her relationship and that alone. Mark needs to hide his secret identity to prevent those around him from getting targeted by villains/enemies and why does Amber not realize this? Because she feels self-important and feels that despite all the danger, despite all that, despite knowing that Mark is keeping the identity to keep people like HER safe, she doesn't read it like that? Instead, she reads the situation as Mark not being trustworthy. AND HOW IS THAT TRUST GOING TO PROTECT HER? She elevates herself in this situation. In a more realistic situation, she would have confronted Mark about this and empathized with him, saying that despite Mark's love for her, that a relationship with a superhero cannot work out. Instead, she keeps him on a leash, saying things like "Ill give him a second chance". It feels like she has no empathy for Mark at all, and this is why people feel that she is a narcist and borderline sociopath.
@@mc4tarzans I mean... Mark's 17 and I believe Amber's the same age. Sadly the no empathy thing is rather accurate for how a lot of teenage girls act towards their boyfriends before they really mature.
Amber- “You made me feel stupid and unimportant”
Mark- “ in the grand scheme of things. Yes”
Mark really should have just said “you are stupid and unimportant”
Thats what his father would say.
The moment she knew he is saving the world and he makes her his haven of peace, this should tell very much.
But No. She was the Amber she always is gaslightet him into thinking his doings are unsignificant in comparison to the fling with Amber. Don't wait any longer and just date Eve you two are so much better together
Eve left her team, her ex and her family behind for a haven of peace in a forest.
Invincible had his pet and his son as a haven of peace. So he could forget his priorities for a lifespan.
Robot wants Monstergirl as his haven of peace
@@vogelfaenger6830 You're completely misusing the term "gaslight". Telling your significant other to prioritize the relationship or you walk is not gaslighting, it's a boundary, and a very reasonable one. The fact that he's a superhero means he's got good reason to make another part of his life a priority, but that's up to him and staying in the relationship is up to each of them.
I seriously don't get why so many people have a problem with somebody deciding a relationship isn't for them. It's obvious the relationship had to end and Mark didn't have the will to end it. People are complaining she should have stayed with him but wouldn't have liked them together, anyway!
@@SirMandokarla maybe I'm using this term wrong, but she was a very toxic partner nonetheless. As long as she had the feeling of superiority she wanted the relationship, but the moment he took a bit of space for himself she had a problem. She only likes him when he is weak. And even tries to hurt him to stay on top.
From the first moment I saw her I thought this is nobody you should mess with. She will do everything to humiliate you.
Sure he was a notorious "being late" for half a year and she had every right to dump him for that. But the moment he reveals himself in front of her saying: "It doesn't matter that you save millions of people on a daily basis. I found out myself and still cause a fit about this. She didn't found out before he revealed himself. And she couldn't process it in the moment so she hurt him instead." And later when he lost his Dad she comes back to "offer" peace while he is at his lowest again and she has the highground again to manipulate him.
Nolan: *smirks proudly
and then they completely 180'ed her in season 2 and now she is only supportive and nice and never said a negative thing so far lol.
I forced myself to believe she was bluffing when Amber said she knew Mark is Invincible. It honestly would fit her "strong" character to hide her true emotions.
I really hope they use this excuse as a retcon in season 2. They could give her some backstory that would explain why she always feels the need to be in the right and seem smarter than everyone else. That would make her a lot more realistically flawed and human, while also not being a complete narcissist.
Holy fuck this wpuld be a much better reason
might give her a redemption sub-sub-plot
that's how i interpreted it as well -- anything else just makes her so unlikeable it ruins the whole show lol
The only redemption for the Amber character is to have Omni-Man squish her brain like a tomato. Then we can all live happily ever after.
I think a more acceptable response from amber would have been “I know, I figured it out this morning. I’m not mad at you anymore I’m just coming to the realization that we can’t be together and it makes me sad. For these past 5 months you’ve ditched me over and over again and I know it was to be a hero and I’m glad you helped so many people. But how is our relationship gonna work if we can never truly spend time together? I want to be with you and spend time with you but I know hero work comes first. I know it sounds selfish but I want to be with someone who I can actually spend time with, and judging from the last 5 months I don’t think you and I would last long. So I think it would be best if we weren’t together, I still care for you but I just don’t see how we could work ya know?” It’s understandable and would make mark have a new perspective on the life he has chosen.
True. That would be good and healthy.
that's a well formed adult response, we won't get something like that from her
@@termigasts5227 yeah, cause you seem to be forgetting that she’s a dumb teenager too. Just like how Mark is, Mark did things wrong and so did Amber for that matter. They both handled the situation in the way that you would expect typical teenagers to handle the situation.
That's exactly the kind of thing I was expecting she would say when she revealed she knew Mark was Invincible. But I guess the writers decided that wasn't enough drama and went the stupid route.
@@DemMyHouser oh I'm not the one forgetting, I didn't write her or her responses
They really did speedrun how to absolutely ruin a character. In a single line, in TWO WORDS, they completely break Amber beyond any repair.
She was so much better in the comic
@@bernardmacdonagh9517 Well duh. Her being tokenized was the first sign good writing was a priority.
I haven't even watched Invincible. Not a single episode. I am aware how good the show and its comics are; I just never got around to watching it after I got spoiled about Nolan. It is literally one of those trivial nights (as I write this comment) where I surf youtube before I go to sleep, and I already dislike this character. I've seen her in *clips* of the videos I have watched so far, and seeing her state that she knew Mark was a superhero even when he flaked on her when the cyborg attacked put a pit in my stomach. Dude, I know she isn't a superhero so she isn't obligated to, but if Amber neglected to help someone during that fight because she was playing being angry and scorned, I genuinely would have felt sour about Invincible for the rest of it. Honestly, now I'm even more discouraged to watch it lmao, probably not until season two.
They basically filpped the character completely race and personality
@@thighlover408 Hmm I wonder why.
Mark: I'm out there putting my neck on the line, saving lives. Also my dad mercilessly beat me to near-death after I refused to conquer Earth with him. Now he's gone, my mom is devastated and I'm kind of depressed.
Amber: Oh boohoo. You didn't give me attention.
Amber is supposed to be his girlfriend. You have to give your girlfriend attention. Not that I would expect you to know that :)
@@WardenLovelessi srsly cant tell it you’re joking or just stupid
That's called a "charity narcissist"
and it's actually pretty accurate to real life ones.
narcs are good at pretending to be the victim and they have enablers ( Marc's friends) that taking their side because they're perfect and never wrong.
Ember is a very realistic narcissist I have to say. She takes all the opportunities she can to be the hero/badass/victim/judge whenever she can and only ever focuses on her part of the story, while getting offended and aggressive when others attempt to put focus on things that might matter beside her own interests.
Altruistic narcissist
Amber is the quintessential blueprint for how Twittter andys behave...
Yeah my friend used to be like that, I posted a video that he sent on a group chat (he found a piece of the school’s wall on the floor of the school and broke it with his hands), and I sent it to a bigger group chat because it was funny, I was then sent a slew of death threats and stuff with no context, not realizing what I thought, and my dumbass friend immediately thought that he was right because, “yes”
Reminds me of another Amber
Amber was only ever concerned with how a given situation made *her* feel. Mark withholding his identity made *her* feel stupid. His attempt to balance hero life with their relationship was a failure to fulfill *her* needs. To what degree did Amber even try to reciprocate? How supportive was *she* toward the difficulties Mark faced in his own life? Mark owned up to the emotional manipulation he inflicted by concealing his identity; how much did she own up to her own manipulation?
Mark is a flawed but well-meaning person. Amber is a narcissist.
Edit: Season 2 their relationship is much more healthy and reciprocal. Amber empathizes with him just as much as he does with her. Despite all the stress and inconvenience Mark's hero life brings them, she still loves him and wants him to use his powers for the greater good. Their [SPOILER] breakup comes from an incompatibility in lifestyle which they both recognize; they just can't live in each others' world.
Season 2 fixed Amber. She's a good character now.
Stupid take...a person can only live their life. Mine sux but i know ppl have it way worst ... know what tho...i can only deal with my shit.
@@jamesbaggett3655 That's fine. But if you're in a relationship with another person, it's no longer just about you.
I seen Marvel spider man identity revealed and it was a lot worse then Amber
woman moment
Women, right? 😂
What people are missing is that Amber doesn’t see mark as a boyfriend, he’s more like a... pet to her. In the grand scheme of things, his life doesn’t matter much to her ego, until he’s finally seen as the universal victim. Then she needs him in her life.
He gets his taste in partners from his mother.
She's treating him like one of her humanitarian pity projects. She came back at the end out if pity and because he was "lied to" as well. Not because of being beaten to near death. Such a toxic and narcissistic character.
@@maxh276 true
@@asmokun Unlike Omni man, who was literally trained from birth to be an invader, Amber is from earth. Wonder which planet her parents had trained her to occupy.
Also, Mark's mother thought that she could change the heart of an Alien completely alien to the concept of love. Omni man was selfish by duty.
Amber is selfish because shut up and praise her.
@@Rajkumarsingh-ci6bi well yeah doesnt change the fact they both believe they frat rainbows and butterflies
What makes it worse is how Mark is partially alien, yet he still acts more human over Amber, plus they try to make Amber look like SHE'S in the right OVER MARK. How is actively saving humanity supposed to be worse than doing meaningless charity work? Literally, Amber is a girl that no one wants based on her actions. She's a toxic manipulator that I wouldn't even consider as a partner.
Amber seems like the kind of person who puts "good vibes only" and "empathy" on their Tinder profile, while actually being incredibly noxious and apathetic as partners.
Except she's not lying, just misunderstood. You see, that's what she wants *from* her partner, not what she offers them.
@@damir_van_kalaz so why don't you break up with the person you KNOW is a superhero and despite trying their very best to balance everything can't provide you with what you want? But no. She decided that the best course of action was to argue with him and make him feel like shit while being toxic and mentally abusing him.
@@Jack-sw1km people who keep defending Amber's character have never seen or been in an abusive relationship
@@ketchup_lube LUBE ? KETCHUP LUBE ? HOW DOES THAT WORK
@RacoonWithRabies gas lighting mark by making him think he's a bad boyfriend for being a super hero
One thing I realized is that Amber despises strong men. the very first scene she talks down to a bully calling him a strong man. She gets interested in Mark when she thinks Mark is a weak half-Asian boy who gets kicked around. Mark being a less intelligent person is a bonus to her. She wants someone she can control, so whenever Mark doesn't follow Amber's schedule she gets mad feeling the loss of control. Whenever she sees Mark getting smashed to a pulp or sees the evidence of his weakness(like bruises), she comes back. I am pretty sure Amber is into some Femdom kink.
damn that kinda makes sense
What does the half-Asian part have to do with this? I'm genuinely curious.
@@Couch_Banana minority
@@thehornswogglehumdinger9612
She's a minority too.
@@Couch_Banana not OP but society tends to stereotype Asian men and women as weak and submissive. This is honestly one of the few pieces of western media where I've seen an Asian man not portrayed as weak willed pushover or a joke. If I had to list all the times in media I've seen Asian men portrayed normally as just regular men I only need one hand to count them.
Even if she didn’t know Mark was Invincible at the college, let’s not forget that he just woke up from a coma like right before the trip. Like what was she really expecting him to do there?
Holly fucking shit i forgot about that! If she believed the history they give to her, he could perfectly have trauma and this bitch goes and say shit to him?!
@ Bro I was so caught up on her actually knowing I didn’t even think how much worse it would be if she didn’t know like how are you going to turn on your friend when they just came out of a fucking coma
@@Saitama24 i think she gave gim shit cause she knew he was invincible. Cause he lied to her
@ he's literally Superboy and y'all crying about a Coma. He's literally invincible
@@Jaysolate That's true, he wouldn't have a coma, but if she didn't know that he was Invincible, then that would make it logical for her to think that he was in a coma.
I could have explained that better, but you know what I mean
"Shit" Proceeds to turn into a drill
Idk why but that is always funny to me
I'll never understand the sentiment that said Amber was good until episode 7. TBH, I was pretty on the fence about Amber for most of the series. Amber had some positive moments, but there are many other questionable actions she did before that people overlook. Amber blackmailing a bully to shove her crush to deliver a phone number is not quirky; it's manipulative. And why should it matter that she didn't know that Mark was disemboweled by Battle Beast? She was still told that he was hit by a bus, left in the hospital for several weeks, comes to her house with bruises, and hunched over in pain. And she waits for only a few sentences before stating how angry she was that he missed the soup kitchen.
She doesn't even wait a full day after her breakup before she tries to bang a college frat guy. She's railing against Mark, accusing him of being untrustworthy and not valuing her. But she clearly didn't value Mark all that much considering how quick she was willing to jump ship. And she didn't stop pursuing the rebound guy because of some moral or character-driven realization. The guy had a girlfriend, so goodbye revenge sex.
All of this doesn't even mention her forced chemistry with Mark. The writers tried so hard to make her clever or quirky that it honestly just comes around to be uncanny.
"Oh, a study date. A non-threatening environment with the possibility of something more serious. Smooth, Mark Grayson."
"Ring ring. Handsome Mark Grayson. It's Amber."
So much of her dialogue feels like a non-self-aware parody of romantic comedies.
While people's biggest issues with her come out in episode 7, it also works to affirm any negative thoughts or frustrations people had with her before. I hate when people use the excuse, "hate the writing, not the character." Characters are a part of writing. Criticizing a character is the exact same as criticizing the writing and vice versa. It's not like episode 7 was written in a vacuum that dismissed the context of the previous episodes. TV seasons are planned and written for months before going into production. The scripts had to be drafted, approved, written, edited, re-written, re-approved before going into production and handing it to voice actors. The entire production team was aware of what direction they wanted to take Amber. But considering how amazing the rest of the show is, a blemish like Amber's character sticks out as particularly inept and tone-deaf.
THANK YOU!!!! There are so many red flags with this chick that I am astonished almost no one talks about them
Yes
BINGO,you bought it
Now you, you understand. You got it all right, even the fact that she is supposed to feel off, everyone acts like all the payoff needs to be all at once.
geez man not many people couldve said that better
Damn, this was like therapy for me. My ex would berate me because I was in the first year of running my own small business and had to work every single damn hour of the day to pay rent. And she would tell me that she was unhappy because she didn't get enough attention or nice things paid for her and it was like DUDE look at what I'm dealing with right now
She gave me the ultimatum and I was on the brink of caving but thankfully we just broke up and now my business is doing great and I'm really happy with my life.
Good for you bro
Glad to hear you broke up with that women and that your business is doing well. What is your business about?
Good on your bro 👌🏼
When the man works, she complains to be unhappy, alone at home, feeling abandoned and the "workaholic husband" pays no attention or buys nice things to her; on the other hand, when the man is a complete freeloader bum, she complains that she supports the home alone and feels treated like a domestic slave.
Trying to please women nowadays is like trying to satiate a black hole in universe.
@@viniciusvalois2634 fax bro
I bitched about this character for literally hours after the first time I watched this show, and for some reason none of my friends agreed that she was a terrible character. Glad other people agree though, it's nice knowing I'm not crazy.
i thought i was the only one as well
Here here
You aren’t just crazy you are racist
@@bornstar481 dude stfu. It's racist to hate a bad character that happens to be black? Are u crazy? We love Titan and Rex, and Eve and Debbie. You're the only racist one here since your opinions are prejudiced on race
@@maxh276 Amber is not a black character in the comics. This is one of those inclusivity manuveres.
She is actually bad only in season 1 but in season 2 they improved her character very much...
I was 100% team Amber right up until the "I knew" line. Ruined that character for me...Went from easily my favorite character to my least in a single line, now that is impressive!
Heck yeah same here. I completely understood Amber's plight until that one scene. THAT ONE SCENE THAT SHE SAY SHE KNEW
I wouldnt say i was 100% team Amber (mainly bc of her yelling at him for supposedly getting the police, i felt like while she still had a right to be upset, she didnt have to yell at him for trying to get the authorities involved) but i definitely sympathized with her up until that point. Same with my bf. It was the worst thing they couldve done with her character. They could've had her say she was putting the pieces together but didnt fully know and was upset that he lied but understood and with a fresh start, they could start a relationship again
Same thing happened
I disliked her the moment she used blackmail to ask Mark out.
@@badsamaritan8223
The signs were always there
didn’t even include the line where she goes “i guess we were both lied to” like lying to her was as important
HIs dad (the guy he trusts the most) just turned his face into mashed potatoes and all she can think about is how he lied to her about being a superhero what a fucking self entitled bitch
@@mustafaal-ghezi1757 The only way, and I mean the ABSOLUTE ONLY WAY I can see Amber being redeemed, is if she had been lied to, been cheated on, been abused a LOT to a point where it makes sense that Amber feels like lying is like ripping her heart out and stomping on it.
That way, it would make sense why she acted the way she did. She knew she was being lied to for a good reason so she didnt make much of an issue out of it, but everytime she was being lied to it reminded her to all the other times she was being lied to. I mean, that would mean she does her absolute best to serve humanity the best she can and yet she's constantly treated like she's exposable. That's the only was I can see her anger being lashed out to mark as a personal flaw that she needs to get over. If that is the plan of the writers, well, good job.
It would make sense if her trying to be too nice to people was the reason she's so toxic to people close to her. She let people inside her walls and everytime they instantly hurt her. I really hope this ends up being the case, it's the only way to redeem Amber as a character while also making her feel human.
@@Predated2 unfortunately I don't think the writers will think that deeply. Hopefully they do see all the overwhelming criticism and address how toxic she is. But I just hope she leaves the show next season
@@Predated2 it wont excuse the script and characters siding with her
@@milk-el8vq I mean, the only one who is kinda an odd one out would be Eve, but Eve has stated earlier that dating non-heroes is peculiar. Let alone that both Eve and William are assuming Amber doesn't know.
Assuming Amber doesn't know while Mark is stringing her along without any good explanation, especially since Eve complained AFTER the day they spend in the kitchen(which, yknow, could be a place where Amber told Eve about her past, Amber going to William to find some comfort in Mark's odd behaviour and explaining to William about her past would easily fit too).
So yeah, Amber will need a very hefty backstory to fix it all. If she doesn't have a scarring backstory, there is no reason for Eve and William to back Amber up.
Note that no one knew Amber knew Mark was a superhero. That is an often forgotten detail in people hating on Amber. And as she stands now, there is a huge reason to be turned off by Amber alone. But that doesn't mean she's irredeemable.
When she said “I mean it’s cute you think that’s enough” I knew she wasn’t the one for him. Bro literally gets beaten to death to protect everyone else and while in the hospital still remembers his date and plans with her, girl what are you on about
Her saying that is equivalent to a woman saying “You and you’re little job”, “little job” like having a job is bad or something
Yeah. I started to agree with omni man. Reject humanity embrace viltrum
@@da_swaws6165 facts
@@xavierhardison1231 ohh believe me, some do, you got bills to pay and goals to acheive and that ticks them off, got cursed out the other day for apparently "working too much!" Which in return i calmy ask who's gonna pay my bills? Still haven't got an answer😂🤣
It was at that point that she lost the argument cause she had no reason to be angry with him
I love eve but i have to admit that moment at the falls was unforgivable. She knew firsthand EVERYTHING that mark was going through and why he couldnt be there for amber, and she even vouched for him to amber because of it. Also lets not forget eve was the one who literally advised him to not date amber because it would be literally impossible to date a non-hero while having to keep a secret identity. So with all that in mind where does she have the right to suddenly claim that he acted like a jerk to amber??
It was just bad writing. We can just sweep that under the rug no biggie.
For someone that portrayed to be charitable , she's quite selfish.
A lot people who do charity and helping can be selfish and emotionally stupid in personal relationships. Easy to help strangers but not close people.
A lot of narcissistic people do good things to make themselves good looking but you would not a relationship with them.
Well, she's woke.
They are like that.
@@Zeldagirl86 Yeah it was kind of weird how often she brought up her "doing good things." Seemed kind of like bragging, or "this is why you should be nice to me" type stuff.
Because people who do this low-level charity are exactly like that? Plus being dumb.
So selfish 🙄