2021 Mazda3 Turbo vs VW Golf GTI DSG Race, which is faster?
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- 2021 Mazda3 Turbo vs VW Golf GTI DSG, which is faster?
In this video I drag raced the 2021 Mazda3 Turbo against the Golf GTI DSG to see which one is the fastest out of these two.
Since the Golf R vs Mazda3 got so popular, we thought to take this time to do one against the GTI.
Correction to mistyped bhp: the GTI is 228bhp not 220* and for the ones that are asking about Mazda fuel, I believe it is on premium since it is an OEM car which they use premium. Even it wasn’t the mazda still makes 227 on regular.
Just bought a Mazda 3 Turbo, it takes 93 octane, not 91 to get it's full potential.
They say premium will get to 250bhp - shell says 91 as premium
@@SamCarLegion Weird the site says "With regular fuel, the 2.5-liter Skyactiv-G turbo-four produces 227 horsepower and 310 lb-ft of torque. With premium (at least 93 octane) fuel, the engine produces 250 horses and 320 lb-ft of torque."
@@ACCELER8TV premium- it’s 91 in some gas station like shell.
@@SamCarLegion I have the car and my uncle works at Mazda has to be 93 91 doesn’t give the 250hp
Give the Mazda driver a coffee.
Bad driver in mazda lol I mean it just sits there for half a second
That just the shitty car
Mazda lost anyway in the other runs, even when he had the better start. All they had to do was floor it and go straight.
Mazda driver needs to wake up
Agreed I have a Mazda and it doesn’t take off that slow at all.
It's not a bad driver. The mazda just struggles to get the power to the wheels in time. Gti is a DSG.....
Everyone knows VW sandbags on GTI horsepower. VW should just add the word "wheel" in front of horsepower on all GTI models.
and the GLI.
It's been known for years that VAG understate horsepower on their vehicles. Everybody knows that.
Both our GTI and GLI feel stronger than the claimed 228, but is seat of pants so....
@@robles100 :Hatte mal einen Golf GTI E35 mit Chip,hatt ca 285 ps gedrückt.Ein Kumpel hat einen Mazda mps 6 laut Prüfstand 310 Ps.Ich musste schauen das Ich im nachkommen,rankommen nie im Leben.Die mps mit Chip kanst mit den GTI brausen gehen,ist so,hätte Ich nicht geglaubt,er hatte aber Allrad usw.Ich bei Golf DSG,gut ganz lang.Gut Ich kam Ihm langsam ran,aber auch ewig.Der mps 3 geht nochmal besser,hatte Ich auch versucht,keine Meter
VW has perfected the 2.0T engine and DSG transmission they been playing around with them for at least the last 15 years the new MK8 2.0 engine and DSG transmission are even stronger than MK7.
thr golf 8 r is just stupid fast, vw is up to something
mk8 just catching fire is all
But somehow slower
@@josh._.wrld999 any word what's causing the mk8s to catch fire? I heard that the engines are running the catalytic converter too high in temp causing shit to melt... any facts?
DSG is nice. But you better chnage it's transmission fluid like doing an oil change.. Never ever run them cold right away..
The DSG is petty good.
I've a 2008 VW GTI with a 6-speed DSG transmission and I love it!
My car would surprise other drivers on occasion.
My car currently has 240000+ miles and still going strong.
daMn. 🐢
@40 Roller Love my GTI, man... I'm planning on getting the MK8 Golf R next... I live in Chicago so AWD is useful!..
@@roderickl9539 Check the build quality and "fit and Finish" on the Mk8, it was enough to convince me to buy a 2021 Autobahn, still has hydraulic hood strut, no digital dashboard and a real emergency brake..
@@davesearle2766 Can't wait to see the new models here in the US!
Just imagine if the Clubsport is available in the US too! It would be another model to consider!
@@roderickl9539 Still would get a new 2021 GTI or near new 2019 "R" with better finishing.
If anyone expected Mazda's little automatic to touch a DSG that VW has spent years perfecting, you're hallucinating.
VW can finallllly come out and say that, now that mazda doesn't make anything worthy.
@@EzComEzG0 Mazda makes great cars, and the new Mazda 3 Turbo is a nice car, but that little transmission will always let the car down. But I'd own a manual in that car anyway.
@@genkki4776 Only if you got the non turbo version, since Mazda doesn't offer a manual with the turbo. I owned a 2016 Mazda 3 hatchback with the 2.5 engine and the automatic, and had no complaints with the automatic. It was a great transmission for everyday driving, but it shifts slower and is it's not performance oriented like the DSG in the Golf.
I fully agree with you that the DSG mae the difference in the drag race above. With 7 gears, the DSG in the Golf has a lower ratio 1st gear than the Mazda, which would account for the front drive Golf jumping out in front of the Mazda from a standing start, and the extra gear in the DSG would also help keep the engine in the power band better than the 6 gears in the Mazda.
As others have mentioned, the Golf HP and torque are probably underrated too.
Umm the Volkswagon is not faster at all... How about not giving the VW the hit for the first 2 races and then not sandbagging the other races and you'll see that the mazda is faster...
@@joes6143 you're blind. Both cars hit the gas after he said Go. Response is clearly down to the driver's reactions. And the GTI continued to walk away from the Mazda. You're blind if you can't see that.
This Mazda just wasn't tuned to be a Mazdaspeed3 replacement or be actually fast.
Very curious as to what tuning can get out of this car.
Stock for stock. This turbo Mazda is faster then a speed3 sorry to break that news to the speed3 people. If both are bought brand new from the dealership the 2021 would win.
VW underrates their cars power. Look it up a stock GTI will Dyno 230whp and 270wtq give or take.
@@copperkeyracing6167 the mk7 has a is20 not a k03 and the is20 flows even better than the k04 because of its efficient design. A is20 is capable of 370whp with a hpfp and e85 with a pro tune. It also will run high 11 sec quarter miles. Mk7 responds well to bolt ons. Imagine gaining 60whp from a tune only with no other bolt ons. Crazy huh.
@@copperkeyracing6167 I have a gti buddy a mk7 gti. The internals and components in the gen 3 ea888 engine are stronger than the mk6 gen 2. The k04 is bigger than both the is20 and is38 turbos on the mk7 but is inefficient. The ihi turbos flow better than borg Warner that’s why mk7 uses them. The mk7 is also lighter than a mk6. I’ve raced a fbo e85 tuned Mazda speed 3 and beat it with my stock turbo on e30. A is38 gti can make 430whp and hybrids can easily make over 500whp. Hpfp is only needed to run e85 in a mk7
@@copperkeyracing6167 haha that’s not even worth it😂 It’s just a daily car that’s very fun to drive! Might as well get the GTI and make like 350 easy
The Mazda's first launch was horrendous lol, that was definitely driver error. Tbf tho, the Mazda3 Turbo isn't trying to compete in the hot hatch segment, they're focused on affordable luxury and have made it very apparent that MazdaSpeed is dead. I mean, the stock suspension on these is so soft and cushy lol. They only released the turbo due to the demand from their customers. I'm assuming the stock tune is more geared for a consistent powerband, opposed to immediate torque and sporty feel. In all honesty they seem like a really good choice for a sub $35k car due to the quality of the interior and the added hp. Sucks that they look like a beluga whale and that hatch space isn't very good tho.
You are welcome to do your own drag race :)
@@copperkeyracing6167
Lol I don't see why you don't get it. The Mazdaspeed is dead and will remain that way. Mazda is a "mature" entry level luxury car brand now. And like the guy above said, they only put the turbo bc ppl demanded it. The wishbone torsion beam suspension is scushy and not sporty at all. Trust me man if mazda wanted to bring back the speed 3, they would have done it last gen. Especially with electric and hybrids taking over, mazda wouldn't wanna waste money on that.
The cars are as luxurious as each other with regards to features etc and the golf is more affordable. it starts at $28k (dsg is like 30k) and the mazda is $33k. also if you drive a golf gti you see the powerband isnt just punchy and sporty. VW is very progressive in how the power comes in. Feels like it just builds and builds.
@@Axelandy55 I just owned a 2019 Mk7 GLi Autobahn ( sedan GTi ) and the powerband was extremely punchy. They use smaller "IS" twin scroll turbos so torque is almost immediate, peak boost is as low as 1,7k rpms. It's the same exact powertrain as the GTi. I got rid of that car tho bc VW has severely cheaped out on the N American MQB cars. It had way too many issues for a $34k brand new car. Their power delivery is not tuned like this, or other luxury competitors, it is very sporty and track focused. Also, the other guy commenting up top - Mk8 Golf R is underrated but is not at 420hp in the N American market. It's about 375hp as proven by dyno tests being done. All VWs underrate their cars from the factory tho, they rate at the wheels ( wheel hp ) so you can use the 30% rule in figuring out crank hp which is what basically everyone else besides the German brands and Hyundai brands rate at.
@@_dmfd Wrong, the VW IS series turbos are mono scroll. I literally checked when the turbo was replaced on my 8V A3 quattro
Volks and their DSG, very hard to beat. I'm still surprised the GTI won with all the torque and HP from that mazda 3.
Dsg is definitely
@@SamCarLegion it doesn’t make as big of a difference as one might think. The manual has longer gears and it kind of evens out the advantage the dsg has, at least the 6-speed dq250 in the mk7 gti.
Don’t get me wrong, is more consistent than the manual, but the results would be the same and it would actually fare better in a rolling race (under 110-120mph. The 7-speed dsg is another story.
Also, the 230ps/228hp model here has been shown to make around 250-265hp and 270-280ft-lbs of tq on average, as most vw’s are underrated.
No surprise here.
The driver actually sucks at launching
Volkswagen always under rates the numbers GTI actually is close to 240 hp, with 280ish torque
@@PapiAndrey prove me wrong, you’re are welcome to go out there and do an honest race :)
I watched 3 tubes now, i can't get rid of the feeling your always napping at the start!
Watch closely; Mazda left at same time just very laggy on launch
Good video but a couple things. I’ve own this car and figured out how to get the best from it. TC must be off, sport mode on, brake boost to 2500 rpm. Biggest thing is it must be 93 octane I know they said premium but in the owners manuel says it must be 93 octane. When I got the car it had 87, so I put 91 not much change. Then I put 93 and it’s a big difference to me Atleast. My uncle works at Mazda Canada and he says unfortunately it has to be on 93 due to the high compression ratio. Hope this helps. The car with 87-91 does 0-60 in like 6.3 seconds with 93 it jumps to 5.7. On the website it’s so vague so I don’t blame you guys at all lol.
I believe every time we pick them they are usually on high premium.
@@SamCarLegion aight was it on snow tyres or all seasons? Mines on the all seasons right now. Usually the dealers fill them up with 87 but if you told them the purpose fight have done premium. The only reason I’m confused is throttle house did a race with the 3 turbo and a golf r like you guys and the 3 beat the r without it using launch control on launch. so I’m confused why it bogged so hard with all the torque weird.
No way in hell the Mazda3 turbo can beat a golf r
I did one with the Golf R it smoked the Mazda
@@SamCarLegion oh it definitely does! Bad wording meant the 3 launched hard and beat the golf off the line without the golf r using its launch control (unfair to the golf I know). The golf r won the race as it’s just in a different class when it comes to speed. Not gonna lie this cars a pain to launch correct and took me sometime to get it down and sometimes it still bogs. But when it does it launches hard. Still love it tho. Great video. This cars biggest weakness aside from the 6 speed for launches it its traction control system it hinders it so much. Still a fantastic car tho and imo don’t think it’s slow.
Having owned a mk7 GTI with DSG and recently have driven a mazda 3 turbo, I'm not surprised. The achilles heel of the mazda is it's transmission. If it has a DCT it would win.
Glad you understand
😂 😆🤣🤗
Saying that is pointless. That's like saying if the GTI had 2.5t instead of 2.0 it would destroy it. The car is only as good as what the manufacturer supplies it with.....
Maybe but as an owner GTI equipped with DSG sometimes I wonder if conventional automatic would be better. DSG doesn't work really well in traffic jams and while driving at slower speeds.
And if the GTI had the power output of the Mazda it would win. So where do you draw the line 🤔
Something seems fishy about the Mazda starting slower. It should be ahead of the GTI to 60mph.
Why? VW underrates their cars. They Dyno 230whp.
Mazdas power is overrated while VW’s is underrated. DSG > 6 speed automatic. It’s not a surprising result actually.
@@rootsmanuva82 mazda is awd
@@rootsmanuva82 the dsg has no part in it look up the mazda3 turbo vs the golf r with a dsg and the golf r loses...
Yeah the Mazda didn't look like it was launching at all. An AWD vehicle should jump out from a dig. Even low power ones do that.
I do like golf's, they have always performed, but I will go with the Mazda 3 simply because whoever designed that body needs an award.
the award was received ua-cam.com/video/Z7bZ5a1YQhQ/v-deo.html&ab_channel=TheWheelNetwork
I agree with you... Golf is good, but Mazda 3 is beautiful and sexy
You’re on crack
@@doob5427 cracked pepper 😅
Agree, that mazda does look better..
The golf is ugly af anyways
Actually no car maker can beat the VW DSG technology, not even Merc or BMW, the smoothest ever gear acceleration from the VW
It is fast
Actually I own a CX-5 Turbo, Mazda a little slow during start but acceleration after gear 3-6 is impressive....but talking about DSG, fron gear 1-6 or 7 always the best
@@mohamadnizam5615 the Porsches PDK twin clutch will beat any volkswagens DSG any day of the week now don't start on saying the Porsche is owned my volkswagen just saying that you said that DSG is very good yup it's good but not as good as a PDK
@@FB6K24Z7 no doubt about it, but to compare Porsche & the Volks is really unfair, u shud compare with Ferrari or Bently....when I said 'no car maker' refers to BMW, Merc or Volvo, not above the class...but however thanks for sharing bro....✌👍
@@FB6K24Z7 VW makes the gearbox for Porsche BTW. If u go under the car u will see Audi and VW logo marked on the gearbox
As an owner of a 2016 VW GTI, I knew the outcome of this video lol
Manual or automatic?
@@yehoryershov109 automatic
Thank you for taking the time to do this test and publish it. I thought the Mazda3 would gap the GTI up to about 70 or so but dang that VW pulls hard.
Thank you for your support
@@SamCarLegion sam you are typically a really good driver but I was to argue that this was bs. You can literally find multiple tests of the same race except against a golf and the Mazda wins every time so explain to me how the gti won now
@@jessefield5714 nope, not at all. the mazda 3 turbo is slower. Congrats you're an idiot.!!
@@jessefield5714 "except against a golf"? This WAS a race against a golf, the GTI version. If you meant to say "against a golf R", that would be an even more ridiculous statement, since the Mazda would get completely smoked by a Golf R, far more so than it got spanked by this Golf GTI.
@@jessefield5714 want some salt with your French fries? Mazda fangirl
Having driven both, I decided to get the Mazda 3 Turbo, just way better reliability, way nicer interior too. But the GTI is fun for sure. I just don't want to pay for expensive German parts down the line lol.
Agreed in some way
I found the adult in the sea of kids!
🤔😴🤪🤭😆🤣
Terribly slow driver in mazda
Sorry I don't believe the results of this. A Mazda3 on a different video beat a golf R out of the hole (without launch control) and here it's losing to a GTI?
Brake torque, 2500rpm, sport mode, traction control off. Should get you 5.75 sec 0-60 on 93 octane.
Video on youtube called "2021 Mazda3 Turbo Hatch AWD // 0-60 // 2nd Run" you can see a hell of a better launch on that video.
Prove me wrong - do one
I have a Mazda 3 hatch and I have to say GTI is still the King of Hot hatches 🤜🤛
Really?
True
nah mazda speed is the king
@@louisbarningham not at all
Well, the GTI won this race against the Mazda, but there are still a lot of hot hatches that are faster. It's big brother, the Golf R, for one.
First of all, mazda is great, but we all know it has to be in the "perfect" conditions to do something against many cars. Just a question, why did the driver of mazda 3 used sport automatic mode and not shift pedals to get higher revs up to 6000 rpm?
Because we wanted to do a fair comparison- auto to auto :) even if we did it the GTI shifts so much quicker
Shifting in higher revs is pointless because the 2.5T drops out in the higher RPMS that’s why it short shifts at about 5500
@@brynnleahnayvieghlaykynnn6175 is that because of the benefit for acceleration post 5500 is either negligible or negative? If it was configured to shift later for a different use case then perhaps it would be justifiable?
@@confounded_feline you could do it if u want but it would accelerate slower but I doubt anything would happen
It's definitely the old school style auto 6 speed for the mazda. Slow but reliable though.
It is actually quite fast for not being DCT. I was very surprised when I drove one.
@@Cody-ec3bt Against a GTI? IT's definitely slow af.
Excuses lol, mazdas are slow af
@@roostertailspice2482 they are not even at the same price and segment fool. GTI is slow af compapred to ferrari.
@@nilaomugexi Did you fail school or something? It's not that hard to google the prices to figure out the GTI is in the same price range of it's competitor.
Who was driving the Mazdaspeed 3, GRANNY from the Beverly Hillbillies???
It’s ok to loose man :)
Sorry Granny !!
@@raybsure7438 no worries grandpa
SORE LOSER !!!! LOSER !!!! LOSER !!!! LOSER !!!! LOSER !!!! LOSER !!!! LOSER !!!!
I owned Mazda 3 (non turbo) and then bought a golf R. They have not changed anything other than put a turbo in the Mazda. My experience with the Mazda setup from throttle lag to lesser throttle input and the transmission was so slow to react and gearing ratio definitely can’t keep up with a dsg. Mazda is an economy car whereas gti and R very sporty.
The mazda 3 interior is so superior to that of any VW. Plus it's not meant to be a performance car. Someone like myself us happy they have the turbo because I live at altitude. If I want a fast car I'll have something else as well. The 3 is one of if not the best daily under 40k new.
I'm shocked the Mazda doesn't get a better launch with it being AWD. The mk7 GTI is underrated the 228 hp is basically what the car makes to the wheels based on numerous dyno videos. So in reality the GTI is really a 250 hp car if you account for drivetrain loses.
Very good point. I think the Mazda3 isn’t tuned for drag races mostly road use which is understandable, but still fun to race. Honestly i would take the Mazda3 anyday
I believe awd launches are much harder on the transmission than for fwd launches. This car was not made for races or the drag strip so maybe Mazda tuned it to not allow for hard launches.
Driver error. Guaranteed
That’s true it’s quicker, but with the Mazda you get AWD (great for snowier regions) and a Mazda is a Mazda: elegant, classy, comfortable, mature, and amazing driving experience. I’m not saying the VW is bad, but Mazda has the edge on VW in those categories..
Agree on the comfortable and mature not so much about the driving experience though, GTI has that. If I couldn't get a GTI I would buy a Mazda though as they are pretty nice cars.
Try selecting the auto hold button in the mazda and then hover your foot above the gas before you gun it. Might give you a bit more of an edge off the line.
Can't rely on auto hold to brake torque. It releases the brake with a light touch of the throttle.
Love your videos. Very fun to watch and informative.
Ok, lets see which one leaks coolant first
GTI for sure!
It's amazing how a simple dragrace can contaminate the judgment of the rest of the car. I am not disparaging Golf, quite the contrary, I am a big fan, but to reduce the rest of what Mazda can offer with this result is to understand nothing by car. I'd like to see the two of them fighting a duel in the curveling.
I think short minded people will judge the car that way, at the end of the day both will rarely see a track. It’s just a fun day
I own a mazda 3 turbo and have seen plenty of races with it. I feel like you're not launching the way I've seen it usually launch. Not sure what's going on but usually the mazda3 takes off on the line and the GTI will close in later for the win
The guy driving the Mazda3 launched slow! It should have took off faster than that
Expected this one. Sorry to disappoint but that’s not true, the 3 doesn’t like a hard launch 🚀. You can actually see it when we do a roll how the mazda3 picks-up
I personally test drove the Mazda and absolutely feels sluggish
@@SamCarLegion you could have brake torque
I wonder what happened here, I do have a Mazda3 turbo and you can make it launch pretty hard, I wonder how Motor Trend managed to make the Mazda3 a little faster that the Golf GTI.
Mazda 3 is a turtle 🐢 Zzzzz 😴 🤷♂️.
I'd still take the Mazda easy. Drives nicer and way nicer place to sit
How much fuel consumption for both of these car?
why this guy always loses even when driving the faster cars???
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For a little hatchback with 250hp, 320 lb of torque and all-wheel drive, seemed like he was giving a quarter throttle off the line. I guess that's how they drive in Quebec
Driver skill was a factor here
Maybe at launch, since the Mazda seemed to bog down before taking off. Other than that, it's just put your foot to the mat and let the car do the rest.
They're literally driving in a straight line in automatic cars. What skills are you referring to? The factors here were the way manufacturers rate their horsepower numbers (VW underrates, Mazda Overrates) as well as the transmission types (DSG vs Automatic).
I'm seeing a lot of criticism of the Mazda's transmission, but I think Mazda is happy where they're at to be honest-- if they were focused on straight line speed, then that 320lb-ft of torque would leave plenty of room for tuning to do so. That said, their upcoming inline six platform is getting an 8 speed, but it will still be in a traditional torque converter configuration. I agree that if they continue to move upmarket while still betting on gasoline engines, they'll eventually have to employ a dual clutch, but in their current financial situation, I don't know how feasible that is without borrowing from another company.
Pretty much what hearkened with Hyundai and the veloster... 8 speed dct more power than a golf
A lot of what they are doing is for reliability. I just bought a Cx-30 Premium Plus turbo and and exhaust and some bigger tires and PREMIUM gas would make this car a low 5 to mid 5 car.They already have one of these hitting 13.9 in the quarter and it is bone stock--like 5,6 to 60 and they just floored it--had they powerbrake dit would have been quicker.I also sold a 2020 AWD Stinger GT 3.3TT and ran a 4.2 to 60 and 12.7 in the quarter and have my videos on here.The cx 30 has a tall 2nd gear and the front tires break loose--but with some light mods you can get this quicker and keep it under warranty.Sadly none of these tests are valid cause you have no clue to what gas was used.I have 93 and 94 octane near me and e85 is also at the same station--i plan on putting 94 in it next tank--just bought mine and finally put a tank of 93 in it and it runs way better--I can easily get on the HWY at triple digit speeds with no problem.
@@khronin Yeah, I really like how long second gear is on my NA 2.5L Mazda3-- it makes it a very usable gear to stay in through corners. Idk it's the same on your turbo cx-30, but in my experience when you're flooring it 2nd takes you just past 60 and then 3rd is good for 85. Is this what you find too?
@@laylahassomethingtosay I have not even floored mine--but I have gone over 100 plus.I just got mine and want to make sure it is running premium beofre I really wind it out.
@@khronin Totally understand-- I took the 600 mile break in period on mine pretty seriously and never took it above 3500rpm at first😅
Weird. Just finished watching another vid with the results swapped. Don’t know what to believe. Except that the 4wd should be the first out of the gate every time.
Out of curiosity was this a GTI S? Also which tires was it running? The OEM all seasons? It's very impressive 👍
Just normal GTI
The Mazda is a somewhat nice car and looks rather good, that’s hardly questioned, but Volkswagen just has superior engineering, I mean, the MKVII GTI is an outgoing generation, it was developed to come out back in 2012 Mazda if they had attempted to go after the GTI should’ve had plenty of time to make it good enough to give it a clear advantage
Hard to beat 40 years of perfection
they have similar crank hp but wheel hp is way higher in the gti. the dsg has less drivetrain loss than a torque converter and can shift way faster than a normal auto. also whp is higher because powering 4 wheels produces even further loss
The MZ3 also fights a relatively tall (lower numerically) final-drive ratio of 3.23:1, which keeps it calm for cruising but costs it in acceleration times. And as many know, the Mazda is not a high RPM screamer but a mid RPM torque monster.
The each concept of those cars is different so which's faster itself makes no sense.
If you compared with the GTI, it'd be so much better with Honda Civic Type-R.
That’s the same thing people was saying in the last video when they did the Mazda vs the golf R and everyone was saying it would be more appropriate the GTI now the GTI is not suitable. If we going to do the civic type R then it’s only fitting it goes against the Golf R
@@Mano_on_Point There's a video here on youtube comparing the Golf R to the Civic Type R. The Golf smokes it. From launch, it isn't even a contest, with the Civic behind multiple car lengths as soon as the race starts. From a roll, the Golf still pulls the Civic, but at least it's a closer match than from a standing start.
I’m wondering if it’s on 93 octane
The Mazda driver needs to retire
How bad would it lose to a Veloster? Obviously an N would smash it. But how would the Veloster Turbo hold up to the Mazda3?
0-60 and quarter mile times are better on the Mazda 3?
@@2010ngojo 0-60 and quarter mile times show it should be faster than the GTI too so on paper yes, but as we see those numbers mean nothing🤷.
Like the GTI the Veloster has a DCT as well but weighs couple hundred pounds less
@@eta24
My research shows me otherwise. The gti times are faster than the Mazda 3. No discrepancy here.
@@2010ngojo My research showed different . Looks like an impasse. Looks like the GTI times are slower, some show as slow as 6.4, and as fast as 5.9. not sure where you got your info but I'm getting mine from people who ran on gps. With stock 3dr mk7 GTI
@@eta24
Wait hold up, way did you bring up the gti? I'm saying the Mazda 3 turbo is faster than the veloster turbo.
You have to admit mazda did pretty well against one of the hot hatch legends in all honesty. Mazda is just now in the swing of their rebrand. I expect great things to come.
It's not a battle, it's a slaughter....
What a lot of automotive reviewers don't realize is that the MK7 GTI has substantially more power than VW advertises. That GTI is making roughly 220WHP and 270WTQ. The Mazda3 never had a chance.
my mk7 dyno'd 240whp stock on a mustang dyno
@@scottwurzbacher7641 yep my car is a 2021 GLI Autobahn edition, and I have seen people who are 250whp and 290ftlbs
I understand that turning off TC can help give the 3 more power since TC bogs it down for it to work. Next to using premium gas and the sport mode, what about the slight delay you get from the auto handbrake? I tested a Mazda 3 turbo recently and noticed the slight bump you get when you’re taking off from a complete stop. I didn’t get the chance to check/ask if the auto HB can be turned off. That’s 1 thing I feel preventing it from a quick start. It definitely has a nice pull in the lower gears but it seems to peak or level out once you reach the higher gears.
I did it turn traction off too, nope
Handbrake doesn't engage at a stop, only when you turn off the engine
@@trevoraaboe4501 I own the vehicle now and guess what, it was the auto hold (which you can turn off). I didn’t know it at the time when I tested the car.
@@unanimousarts it looks like it's on the whole time they tested it. every single start you can see the brake lights are on in the 3.
@@StrainXv Did you see my reply above though? You can turn it off.
Now ... even a Golf R in reverse will beat that mazda :)
Yeah, beat it to the repair shop....
I figured the Mazda would win on this one with awd and only being 80+ lbs heavier AND with alot more torque. But as a GLI owner I can say the DSG does its job. I wouldn't mind owning one because of the AWD when it snows. Does the Mazda have a launch control?
I find it doesn’t need it, also idk why this Mazda didn’t launch at all. I’ve eaten gtis off the launch do too awd and Manuel shift mode, keeps me in peak power band instead of running all the way up the revs.
@@theperson5185 did the GTI's know you were racing haha personally never seen a Mazda best a GTI stock vs stock.
Its the dsg but also the mazda definitely doesn't have the advertised power tbh
I can't believe you put a video out like this. You obviously let the VW go first before taking off in the first 2 races and then let off the gas for the other races and then have the balls to say that the VW was really quick, wow...
it is faster. its lighter and ts bhp rating is more like its whp rating.
The Mazda 3 turbo was never meant to be ultra fast :/ the gti r line and r variations of the golf are all speccd to perform significantly harder when Mazda actually makes a hot hatch competitor you should re race
In Mexico they call it the Burro 3 "turbo" 🤣
Aca en México no es veloz el Mazda 3 y mas si lo comparan con Seat Leon Cupra y me refiero al 1/4 milla
@@kennykenneth3886 el seat Leon cupra ni siquiera está en el mercado americano, porque será 🤔de igual manera es igual de plásticoso
enserio, es como el Jetta 2.0 (two/too slow)
@@eliumontiel6402 el nuevo cupra leon 2021 se empina al mazda en todos los sentidos, no hay ni comparacion. Pero obviamente sera mas caro cuando salga a la venta.
@@eliumontiel6402 seat no comercializa por razones d
Mercado y porque tienen a Volkswagen pedazo de animal , en tu vida sabrás lo mucho que destaca un cupra frente a autos de Mayo valor
Why GTi win
1: DSG gearbox is fast
2: toque 258 in 1500 Rpm
3: Cross weight 113lb(51kg) difference .
well duh...
Damn, that’s embarrassing for the MAZDA considering this GTI is on an 8 year old platform. What’s even more embarrassing is how it loses a DIG race with AWD. Everyone knows how horrible launching a MK7 is. Really proud of the mk7. The mk8 would ruin the Mazda. Then
Mazda isn’t that brand new bud
Bud, that MK7 is on a 8 year old platform. Much older than that Mazda’s platform. Should have been compared to the mk8 GTI
@@martintintin7729 you're comparing apples to oranges. Sure you can somewhat compare. Like both are spherical or in this case both are hatches. Ones a hot hatch made to be fast to win races(ugly af imo) and the other just a hatchback made to be comfortable but still fun to drive.
Did the GTI use launch control? :)
I was not surprised. Google has these mazda's at 0-60 under 6 seconds. I doubt that.
Don’t doubt it it’s true. Many reviewers have already done it.
Hace 6 segundos pero al nivel del mar seguramente, porque en mi pais estamos a 2500 metros sobre el nivel del mar y no hace 6 segundos
@@kennykenneth3886 oh gracias por tu comentario
Car and Driver did it since their testers can actually launch a car.....
under 6 sec isn't hard fool
Estáis comparando una versión Performace con una de calle, enserio, qué tornillo habéis perdido? Estos dos vehículos no son rivales
That gearbox is something else. Mazda needs to upgrade theirs fast.
I completely agree, I'm happy that Mazda stays away from CVTs but they could really use a nicely geared dual clutch.
@@burtonboarder503 Mazda is one of the most reliable car manufacturers. And the reason is, they just build thing which are doin their job well but are far away from beeing maxed out. They dont want to compete with others in things like acceleration, they built cars, which are just very good to drive, but not to race. Its Mazdas own way and for me its very good. They do their own thing.
If I had to guess I would say the dsg transmission is what gives the gti the edge. Ive heard the automatic in the mazda is quite average. Not bad but not exceptional either.
But it destroys golf in the looks department.
Yes the Mazda looks way better
Both cars should have been filled from empty with top factory specified octane.. Guessing doesn't cut it. If the Mazda is run on 87 rather than 93, it costs it .3 to .4 seconds 0-60, probably the same with the GTI.
With it's big torque advantage and awd, the Mazda should have a huge advantage out of the hole. I have noticed in other videos as well that it seems to launch sluggishly. I think for some reason the factory has electronically limited power at launch or maybe the torque converter is too tight, not allowing the engine enough revs to reach a good point on the hp curve at that critical launch point. That is what it sounds like. Mazda itself has stated it is not interested in 0-60 times. Maybe they should be, if they want to sell to people interested in performance.
They were filled with premium:)
@@SamCarLegion
" I believe it is on premium since it is an OEM car which they use premium. Even it wasn’t the mazda still makes 227 on regular."
Sounds like an assumption to me, not a fact. What is an "OEM"? Oh. googled it. Original Equipment Manufacturer. So? I would assume (sorry, me assuming now), it is a press car and the last tank of gas was pumped in by a tester or dealer protecting their own wallet.
@@chawpino8320 well no one can guarantee that but I do believe that they use premium.
Who does a test and “feels” it has premium. The last journalist def cheaper out. Throttle house showed it can kill a Golf R on launch.
@@Robert-lu3rz Yeah, this test is bogus. What the hell does OEM even mean in this context? Mazda isn't shipping vehicles with a full tank of gas, lol. My CX-50 TPP was filled with 87 when I took delivery, not even the dealers use premium fuel and you'd think they'd have a vested interest in customers experiencing what the car is capable of. Nobody is spending money to put 91 or 93 in a vehicle that doesn't belong to them, lol. The guy responding for this channel is naive at best, delusional at worst.
Homie can’t drive an automatic. Every other video the Mazda3 beats the GTI in including the Subaru WRX 🤷🏻♂️
Nah, the Mazda is slower, the Gti wasn't even using launch control. Also it takes zero skill to drive an automatic.
@@turdzilla1675 "Also it takes zero skill to drive an automatic." Totally wrong. You can get dramatically different results in a race using different launch methods.
I agree that the Mazda launch looked bad, but the GTI pulled the Mazda even from a roll, so it wasn't all driver related. The extra gear and quick shifting capabilities of the DSG probably made the difference in this race, not to mention that the GTI is most likely underrated for power.
Gti got DSG, Mazda 3 should use 93 Gas,
the mazda 3 is certainly faster than the gti the only minus point is that the mazda 3 weighs more so that gti comes back at a long distance
It’s not just about the weight of the cars. DSG is just hard to beat
Its isn't faster though, it didnt even have it off the line.
@@turdzilla1675 right ..🤣🤣
What speeds were you reaching at the end of the runs ? Both cars
Mine was around 155kmh as far as I recall
@@copperkeyracing6167 This was a drag race, as mentioned in the video description, and drag races are typically either 1/8th or 1/4 mile long, with 1/4 being the historical standard. 97 mph is about where this Mazda should be at the end of a quarter mile, so that's probably what the distance was.
As matter of personal taste, I found more sexy and classy the Mazda 3 Turbo AWD
Nahhh mazda it's all plástic and ugly with full Boze speakers GTI is fancy and sport
Mazda needs to be careful with using the 2.5T right across the board without offering some sort of tune at the very least. It's used in every 4 dr car Mazda produces with the same power etc. Maybe the cx9 (which I own) could do with the extra torque, but why is it applied to the Mazda 3? Maybe a more even HP/tq on the Mazda3T is the way to go. Ford/Mercury and Toyota/Lexus made this mistake in the early 2000's and had to spend tons to distinguish the cars from each other later on-- with the former being discontinued altogether.
Its not about the quantity .. its all about the QUALITY .
True
Why u guys didn’t try the speed3???
I live in Germany, we now.
You should see what The Tiguan with that same GTI
Motor does. I'd like to see The Mazda CX 5 Turbo against our GTI Powered Tiguan on a drag race test!
VW's hp numbers are usually close to hp at the wheels so in reality these cars are making about the same power.
DSG 👌♥️
This doesn't add up. If you watch Throttle House drag race against the new Gold R the Mazda smoked it off the line but it eventually caught up. This doesn't make sense.
They should first learn how to accelerate the cars for these kinds of tests. There are specific techniques. 😉
The pull of the line from the Mazda should’ve been way quicker. Not sure what was up with the driver.
Mazda = most reliable new car brand. VW = LOL. I'm sure they had tape covering the CEL in the VW for the purpose of the video.
i agree mazda is more reliable but its slower and no one buys a sports car for reliability we buy them for speed and excitement if you want reliability buy a prius
@@mik55tv22 Speak for yourself! :)
If I have the choice between 2 cars that are similar in price and similar in performance I'll take the more reliable one all day long. I buy cars to drive, not sit in the shop on a hoist.
@@reecetbobby5347 no shit sherlock clearly you didn't understand what i meant ....if one was fast and unreliable and one is slow and reliable 99.9% of car guys will be the fast one because car guys dont buy sports cars because they're reliable you must be too young to understand what i even mean ehh
@@mik55tv22 Whatever dude. You don't seem to be old enough to understand that some cars are fun, fast AND reliable, which is what the Mazda3 turbo is. Hence why I'd pick it over the faster yet shittier VW.
@@mik55tv22 Neither one of these two are sports cars. They're compact hatchbacks.
The DSG transmission in VW GTI will win every time because the quickest shift of the transmission. I owned the 2015 Mark7 GTI Autobahn and I know this car well. The Kia Forte with 1.6 liter Turbo equipped with DGS is the second best and cheaper.
You sound like the DSG is the only part of the drive train that makes a difference. I agree that the DSG is superior from a performance standpoint to a regular automatic transmission, but even a quick shifting DSG isn't going to compensate for an engine that is short on power because the engine plays an even bigger role in a drag race than the type of transmission. The engine in the Golf is widely believed to be under rated for the power it makes, and I seriously doubt that the Kia Forte with a turbo engine rated at 201 HP would win in a drag race against this turbo Mazda 3, regardless of the Forte having a DSG.
As one example of the role an engine plays in performance, I drive a 10 year old 4100 pound Hyundai Genesis Sedan with a 4.6L engine and even with a non-performance oriented 6 speed automatic transmission it will run 0-60 in the low to mid 5 second range, and it would win a drag race with any of these DSG equipped vehicles mentioned.
Come in Europe, we'll give you a manual transmission for the mazda 3 and you'll give us the turbo ; )
We have manual transmissions, just not for the AWD version. Mazda doesn't make any manual AWDs anywhere
@@TheRealSteve42 We do have the choice in Europe, manual or automatic transmission for the AWD. But no Turbo, too much taxes due to Co2 emissions.
@@adrianooo7990 without turbo it's only a sluggish hatch
You use wrong Mazda. Even old BL Mazda 3 MPS can ruin GTI in every situation
An older 2009 GTI with manual transmission, sure. However this generation GTI in the video(especially with DSG) would obliterate the Mazdaspeed 3.
The Mazda 3 looks simply much more better *.*
Sorry but mazda got no chance vs GTI
Volkswagen makes great cars, I've got one ten years no problems but I must say I take ate of my car. Mk4 r32
🤣🤣🤣🤣
It is the transmission. The Mazda3 Turbo has the power, torque & AWD advantage, but that 6spd unit from the CX-9 is nowhere near as good as the VW DSG.
No way, the 3 should smoke on take off and lose with lack of HP. Not sure how this guy is drag racing the car. The 3 does 0 to 60 in under 6sec
I hope Mazda ups there game in performance after watching clips like these...i think it's still a decent looking ride I'm sure it probably has some handles being a mazda.
Fantastic car
They don't want to be a kids brand anymore. It simply isn't made to win races. It's made to be comfortable but fun to drive still.
With enough demand hopefully they would supply...im sure if they had the capital like some other companies it would be in fruition. I understand that they want to be more of a luxury vehicle competing w/ their predecessors...however I believe that their cars are not ment to be 0-60 vehicles but more of a balanced drivers car that has the confidents in handling...i think its more exciting to drive a slow car fast than to drive a fast car slow. Turbo 🐌
@@copperkeyracing6167 : 100% agree with you on this. I own the Premium Plus 3 Turbo in Polymetal Grey. It's seriously quick, but I can tell they held back on making it an absolute Beast.
Depending on the sales of this variant, I can see them doing a 3 Turbo 2.0 in 2-3 years time.
@@ayotundealele1465 What would be the point of Mazda offering a 2.0 Turbo that would likely produce less power than their current 2.5 Turbo? What vehicle would they put that in, and what would be the purpose? In 2-3 years time, I full expect most vehicle manufacturers to start transitioning to EVs. Most already have some EVs in production, but they're just getting started. Mazda seems to be lagging in the EV department, but they'll likely get on the bandwagon before too much longer.
My conclusion is that the suspension on the Mazda is too soft that's the only reason I can think that A all wheel drive car can get the lead on a roll race but from a dig it's left behind.
The launch in that mazda is terrible, no wonder it lost.
Needs a stick shift! Let's see it Mazda!
just replace the driver
with the rolling start, 323 won due to higher torque. When comes to straight line-contineous, gti is quicker due to dsg and lighter car.
The gti comes back and even overtakes after a few meters, maybe the golf needs to downshift while the Mazda is still in lower gear
Aún sin ver él vídeo me daba la impresión de que era más rápido el Golf de VW y lo es!
Definitivamente la transmisión DSG es la que hace la diferencia y Mazda no tiene ninuna de doble embrague que yo sepa.
Anyhow I do prefer Mazda.....always
I'd take the GTI any day.
Mazda not running high octane. GTI is a slower car.
Definitely needs driver mod 😄
Yeah it needs premium
This is why I love my mazdaspeed3 so deeply! 😂
I love my mazda 6
Same shit Anyway...
I like to smoke speed 3s
Speed3 is worse🤣. Specially if its stock
@@aldotabora2371 😂
The GTI is a 7.5 so it has the DSG7 not DSG6. If they did have a DSG6 esspecially the Polo GTI it would smoke the Mazda trust me!
No hay competencia con el golf gti simplemente ingeniería alemana.
They are starting without launching the vehicle's. What's the point of 4wd if you don't launch it ?