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03:49 - WIll Blackwell and RDNA4 still offer 8GB entry-level cards?
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GeForce 50 & Radeon 8000 Series Increase VRAM Capacity? April Q&A [Part 3]
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Apparently Tim's team didn't lose to the winless team...never in my life did I think I would be checking Australian Football scores or ladder but here we are
haha, thanks, I had just opened up AFL myself for the first and er probably last time :)
Thanks for saving me the need to do that. This comment should be pinned.
I can’t wait for the 5070 to still have 12GB VRAM for $700. Gonna be epic.
I can't wait for every card above a 5060 to be $1000+. Gonna be neato.
Can't wait to not buy it.
Probably happens unless this AI bubble pops, and then Nvidia has to go crawling back to gamers again.
Better are Intel iGPU can play all games at medium settings at 1080p using only 24 Watts. . . . on a laptop. The GPU card killer isn't other GPUs, it's the integrated graphics that can run most games at medium and average settings.
No $1,900 card needed... No AMD, no Nvidia. Even AMD is improving iGPUs.
Till there is no competition 5070 will be 1000usd or more with 12gb vram.
31:45 just casually turning into a podcast episode 😎
Jarrod spotted
❤❤
It's multi-tasking. 'Playing the game' and plugging the podcast channel at the same time😉
Totally! I have fallen in love with the podcast. :)
Q&A has always felt like an annex to the podcast. (Not a bad thing!)
Was going to get a 4070 but went for a 7800XT instead due to the extra vram, I don't care a single bit about raytracing, glad I made that choice.
same except 7900xtx vs 4080
I got the 4070 and I'm worried about running out of VRAM for next year's titles.
Thinking of selling the 4070 and getting a 7900 gre
What is your average fps in the games you play resolution and average settings if you don't mind
@@CYWNightmare 1440p max settings 120-160fps
@@patrickstar3820 😂😂😂😂.
Next video: "Welcome back to AFL Unboxed."
You should launch a line of Hardware Unboxed Shorts (swimming, basketball, cargo, doesn't matter... ) and prove youtube wrong claiming shorts increase engagement.
I still remember the good old days when 512MB VRAM was the sweet spot, and 1GB was for hardcore gamers.
i remember when you had a graphics card and separate 3d accelerator with 32mb vram
I remember when my cpu couldn't run quake... because it didn't have an 3d instruction set could run doom2 ,biohazard and Duke Nukem
i still remember buying budgety Geforce 6600 in 2005 as upgrade for my geforce 2 with amazing 128 MB VRAM and than buying super budget (like 100 euro) Radeon 4770 in 2009 which got.. 512MB VRAM 👀👀
@@seanbrennan5469 I play those games on a CPU as well and old office dell with upgrade CPU
I remember going to my rich friends house in 6th grade and being blown away by crysis on a gtx295
It was so dumb of Nvidia to make 4060 an 8GB GPU when 3060 12GB is the most popular on steam. When are they going to realize that VRAM sells ? All RT and frame gen features are useless if you run out of VRAM.
Amd has been beating NVIDIA on vram for several generations and it has not translated to sales
Psst - Nvidia doesn't care what gamers want.
@@kwicksandzBecause they lack performance. RT on an AMD card is pointless, so everyone uses standard raster rendering, and that does not need quite so much VRAM.
Average person who buys a low-midend nvidia card doesn't buy it based on performance or amount of RAM, they buy it because it's nvidia.
Lmao you think it's that simple??
Thank you for answering my question. I really hope that GPU prices don’t continue to balloon like they have been.
I sure hope so. An RTX 5060 or RX 8600 with 8GB of VRAM would be appalling.
considering how 16gb 4060 *TI* is on average 1-3% faster than 8gb version only, no it wouldnt be.
Better be 8gb and 10% cheaper.
With 4060ti it was even 20% price difference
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j 1-3% faster? Maybe when the game doesn't utilize more than 8gb, but when it does, the difference is massive. And the number of games using more than 8gb vram is only going up from here.
10gb hands down and id buy it to upgrade from my 1070ti 8gb
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j the 128-bit bus on a --60 spec card is part of the problem and the asking price for such things have been egregious in the past three years.
@@brzimtrco6142
People hype the vram issus so much, lol!😂 You better of with scamy Vega 7 with it's 16gb vram, that only usable at 1080p, cause above 1080p in new games it can't really play them for reasonable fps. And have huge bit bus, and still it doesn't help the card to perform good even in 1440p in new games, and not at all because of vram(it use only 12gb vram in 4k max, bad get unplayable at all fps), it's because of horsepower. So even 4060ti with 16gb isn't 4k card at all, and in 4k you need 12gb vram and horse power. 4060ti still good only at 1440p old games, and 1080p in new games, it's 16gb vram doesn't needed for 1080p(Xbox series s is 1440p console, but has only 8gb unified ram, means only 6gb vram).
The ending was dope!
Been a PC gamer for decades (40 now!), having GPUs since Voodoo days. Back then, "Ultra" settings were there for future GPUs. Lately though (in the last ~5 years), I've noticed a shift. People seem to expect their GPUs to handle everything on Ultra, no compromises.
Now, I love PC gaming for the fine-tuning! Tweaking settings, editing .ini files - that's the magic. But some folks seem baffled by even presets, insisting on "Ultra settings!" (often with DLSS Performance silently enabled). It's like logic goes out the window.
Look, I get it, we spent good money on our mid-range GPU (600-700 EUR in current gen). But you have to be realistic. I have a 6950XT with 3440:1440, and I prioritize smooth gameplay (90 FPS target) by adjusting settings first, then maybe using upscaling. It's all about finding the sweet spot!
I don't know what can be done. Locking Ultra behind launcher parameters? In a lot of games, you just don't notice Ultra -> High, but you can notice upscaling. Even DLSS2 has issues. Sure, you can replace .dll and select a different DLSS preset. But those people will optimize in game settings first, so they are not in that group that scream "Ultra or Death!" :)
I agree with 100%, and very frequently by myself, tuning my graphic settings to avoid needing to use any upscaling beyond quality at 4K resolution. I’ve been extremely satisfied with the performance of my 3080 for almost 4 years now. When I bought my 970, I wasn’t playing every new game maxed out at 1080p, and when I got my 2080 I once again wasn’t just slamming the ultra preset at 1440p. I guess having a gaming laptop with 2009 mobile graphics for 4-5 years will change your perception of what performance is actually needed to play games enjoyably.
That is because these days, powerful consoles from 2 camps are available , and many PC games are available on consoles . If I have the money to blow for powerful GPU, I would want to enable the best graphics quality setting that the game studio has to offer without compromise. If there is too much to compromise, I might as well buy consoles and save a tonne of money. This is unlike the 90's and early 2000's anymore where consoles and PC games titles are not available for each others platform.
@@fleurdewin7958 4060 is more powerful than a console dude. The only reason why we perceive the consoles as being so powerful is because of internal upscaling and variable, refresh rate that you aren’t watching a frame counter like you do with PC gaming. There’s a lot of what you don’t know can’t hurt you going on in console gaming performance. If you watch digital foundry at all, then you know that the PlayStation five very frequently drops down to 900P resolution in very demanding AAA titles during hectic scenes.
Very true, I don’t have 40 years of Gaming but in the beginning I had to tweak my games to run on 16 colors instead of svga (256) and on the pc beeper since there was no soundblaster in my setup.
Back than it was about getting a game to start and later getting a playable (not nice) frame rate.
All those kids do not understand that you can kill every hardware with supid settings without any gain in visuals.
To sum it up in one acronym: FOMO 😂
Btw I like dlss Quality and enable it with fps limit to save energy and keep my room cool. 😎
I think it's partially Nvidia and ray tracings fault. Nvidia tried to sell its new tech while also claiming a midrange 2050 or 3050 can do it. And while yes they technically can they are not doing it above 30 fps without high levels of DLSS. Either way ray tracing was definitely one of those ultra settings for people to test and only really be usable in a few more gens when GPUs got better being advertised as something everyone should be using now even on low end hardware. I personally think ray tracing still isn't really there yet even on a 4090 at its higher levels. But now everyone is looking at GPU and game reviews wondering why ray tracing isn't everywhere yet. I still remember back in the day when everyone would comment about how ultra settings were BS and not noticeably different from high. The trick now is there's the magic wand of DLSS 'fixing' everything and people expecting ray tracing in everything now.
Greetings from Poland. I watched till the last second, again. Good content, topics. Glad you two are working together- thanks.
I can't believe they are still releasing 8gb cards in 2024. 10 or 12gb should be the minimum.
For poor people... 8 or 6gb is enough!
🤣
Buy $2500 GPU if you want to have a lot of vram! = profit!
Enjoyed these chats. Thanks for the videos!
The possibility of a 5060 4 GB is not negligible at all.
32 bit pcie 5.0 x1
60 series now comes with 30 series specs 🤓
@@BKUA-cam-zq3yv but the 40 series already came with 30ies spec. They have to one-up this and bring back 20 series specs.
@@InternetStudiesGuy couldn't think of an identity outside hating women huh?
That would be so atrocious. If they do make that I hope no one buys it
One of the reasons I got RX 6700 XT was the 12gb vram, after decades of supporting nvidia.
I only watch shorts by accident since UA-cam puts it below the currently playing content in portrait mode
haven't tuned in for a while, amazing video quality guys!
5060 8gb vram $500
@@tilapiadave3234 yeah, of course you'll need such power with 8gb vram....
@@tilapiadave3234 In the most cherry picked of cherry picked benchmarks of course. Have fun having less silicon and a worse pcb from leather jacket man. No VRAM, gimped bus width, premium prices for a worse product using tiny silicon and cheapo circuit boards, but ay we got ai and tensor cores and dlss mate. We got AI texture compression! RT this, AI that.
Don´t think!
Just buy it!
I hate shorts, never click on them. Wish I could completely filter them out.
You can, just get enhancer for youtube if you're on chrome or firefox
@@kurgo_most people are on mobile. And in the US, that means iOS where you are stuck using the base app.
You can delete them from the home menu by opening yt in a web browser ( by disabling the yt app temporarily ) and then clicking on the x next to the shorts panel... It will diable them for 30 days. Now you can enable the yt app and it will not show you any shorts in the home feed
@Bob_Smith19
... We have Android in the US.
I use an addon called "Unhook", it allows you to hide any YT elements
You guys absolutely slaying, the msi 7900xtx has been on sale every 2 weeks. Over 130$ off, Msi definitely isn’t selling 7000’s series cards as much as they want! Great detective work
question being why are they not selling. then what cards are selling, is there a patten?
The main card is a 7900 xtx gaming x classic, it looked like it had no RGB and has one of the lower boost clocks listed.
Regularly the cheapest XTX in UK but all the other comparable cards boost higher and appear to have better cooling.
@@tommyrotton9468the MSI 7900XTX comes with 3 power connectors, but it actually has the exact same power limit as the AMD reference card. It's the worst AiB card out of all of them and there is no reason for it to have 3 connectors.
The cooler is also kind of ass.
Every other AiB 7900XTX is pretty solid with higher power limits than reference, even cards like the Hellhound with 2 power connectors are better.
I suspect 7900XTX buyers likely do a bit more research than average and realized nobody recommends MSI ever
Got one for £870 back in January, was the cheapest XTX at the time and now its £830 still one of the lowest priced models
@@BKUA-cam-zq3yv I looked at all the models available before I bought my xtx so I can attest to that.
ended up getting the Asus TUF gaming card due to its massive cooler. Still goes for pretty much rrp most of the time and occasionally more.
Replaced it with a 4090 and actually went for an MSI. Wont be clocking it so didnt need a beefy cooler this time
I want to see a minimum 256 bus for all damn cards.... The fact they still charge insane prices for 128 is disgusting.
Some people are so used to getting shafted on vram they think that cards like the 3060 somehow had "too much" and end up defending nvidias 4060.
Keep in mind the 1080Ti has the same performance and ~vram as the 3060 and that was what allowed the 1080Ti to not completely degrade its performance over time.
Thats simply not true, the 4060 ti proves this: the 16gb version doesnt perform any better to justify the extra vram/price. That gpu just isnt strong enough , vram only matters when you run out of it, if you gpu cant handle 4k it doesnt matter if you have 1 gb of vram or 32 gb. That 1080ti gpu IS strong enough to keep up no matter how much vram it has.
@@k995100 So having vram doesn't matter if a card doesn't perform well seems to be what you are trying to say through broken sentences.
It's weird to think it's wrong about the 1080Ti lasting a long time via having enough vram to play modern games because the 4060ti exists.
Also the 4060Ti despite being more expensive than it should be is not "too weak" It's pretty much a 3070 with 16GB of vram, very comparable to the 3080M 16GB in laptops.
@@BonusCrook The 1080TI was the high end card of that generation, thats why it lasts so long. It has a powerfull enough GPU. You seem unable to understand that the GPU and VRAM are 2 seperate things. Again what you feel to understand is that the 4060 TI DOESNT perform any better with 16GB of vram then 8GB. thats because it doesnt matter as that more vram only comes into play if it gets over 8GB and there arent many games a 4060ti can run at 4k that top 8GB. Most people simple dont onderstand that, seems you are one of them.
@@k995100 you really need to read your comments again before posting them they read really poorly. I know vram and core are two different things but you need BOTH in order for a card to work well long term.
@@k995100 though for some reason you keep coming back to the idea that you aren't capable of using more than 8G of ram on a 4060Ti (for some reason only in 4K) which is just wrong lol.
My AM5 build with 4070 Super all arrived today. Time waits for no man. I've been on PS5 and my laptop has an 1060 6g so its going to be awesome!
The difference will be quite big.
Carry on my wayward son
There′ll be peace when you are done
Lay your weary head to rest
Don't you cry no more
My first PC in 10 years and im so glad i went for my first full AMD setup. Love the comments and discussions either way lads
Great! Good for gaming if dont need CUDA!
Any amd specific issues you run into so far? Im thinking of going AMD cpu after being intel for years
@@viking9442Well for CPUs just get 6000 cl30 ram kit with your Ryzen 7 cpu and it's done.
I have or worked on every generation of Ryzen. 5000 up is super stable. Just do not buy any new products in the first few months, then you are good.
@@iankovac1878early adopters usually have to succ for a bit. but for some tech early adoption is so long... like OLED in monitors
Great job, informative all the way through even the soccer games!
They’re talking about Aussie rules Football (AFL). Much more exciting than soccer (association football) in my opinion.
If nvidia release one more 8gb cards in 400$ range im gonna be mad
They will, they careless about gaming segment. The AI is gold mine as the owner of NVIDIA said 😂
Just don't buy it
Buy an AMD gpu
@@mitchjames9350 or Intel
Buy a used AMD gpu.
Anything less than 12gb will make it pointless.
Both gpu makers should release 10gb cards.
Game developers are still restricted to 8gb of vram on games so consoles aren’t bottlenecked.
@@lysergicaciddiethylamide6127 Thats not true, PS5 and XSX can use like 10-12GB of memory for VRAM and no AAA dev is gonna target 11year old PS4 anymore
I'd settle for 11gb
@@ThunderingRoar You forgot about Xbox Series S, which is 10 GB divided into 2 GB of super slow memory for the OS and 8 GB fast memory for games.
Definitely buying an AMD cpu now, for one my current one is failing, but getting a 7600 now will not cost me a lot while still being able to upgrade for a while
The 7500F is the same CPU but $130 right now. It's aliexpress exclusive for some reason though AMD is weird.
Even if the tech space is quiet I still enjoy these Q & As to see what's on people's mind as well as what you guys think of things. Hopefully enough people care to keep the views above the threshold where it is worthwhile making them.
Out of curiousity, considering how many times Steve has to change Motherboards and GPUs around depending on the Benchmarks, which type of connector used on PCs would you say is the most annoying to deal with? GPU PCIe Power Connectors? Motherboard Panel headers? ATX Power connectors? Cheers :)
If the question is "now or wait" always pick wait. Because if you can afford to ask the question about waiting, that means you can in fact, wait. Patience always pays off.
That was me back in 2015 when I was thinking if I should by a 4690k or a 6700k later.
oooft but then not too long later Quad cores was phased out, imagine getting the 7700k quad core and spending the heaps on that.
Yes, keep waiting forever because there always will be something better
@@GewelReal well waiting is always good, Its all down to yourself and your patience or income. Im still running a 1070ti on AM4 as thats all i could afford 6-7 years ago. but if i upgrade now. I may not get the full leap im after.
The flaw in your logic is that you can wait forever. If you could afford to wait for one new generation, then why not wait a little longer for the next? Or the one after that? You don't need it now, keep waiting
@@mjc0961 all about percentage increase, some people will spend £1000 every 2 years for 20% performance. Not all of us can afford that, takes me a decade to get that spare.
I’m still on a B350 mobo from 2017… Hoping to upgrade to AM5 later this year. Keen on what AMD announces at Computex this year!
check the i5 12600KF for £150. Stormer of a chip and on DDR5 Platform.
@@julmdamaslefttoe3559 On a *dead* DDR5 Platform.
@@julmdamaslefttoe3559 And on dead socket heck yeah.
@@TheUltraMinebox lol LGA 1700 isnt dead, more alive than AM4 which is still the main option for budget builders.
@@julmdamaslefttoe3559 I have a 5700x at the moment so not much point in the 12600 I reckon but thanks for the recommendation!
More sports banter! Will be cool to see you guys do a special podcast covering the next world Cup.
Fuggin loved that banter at the end, hilarious.
Absolutely great timing!
Needed a video to fall asleep to!
Is that an insult saying their video us that much boring?
I mean if the 5060 actually get 8GB again then we would fall asleep immediately. 🤣
Do you purposely release these in early morning Western time?
Yes
31:31 🤣 love your comments, I Definitely am one of the few that watch until the end, no matter what you guys say, ill watch it🤣
It was funny as hell🙏🏽
15:32 i know this might be too time consuming but, would you guys do benchmarks etc for all intel socket listings vs am5 and where they stand upin performance? Or once am5 9000 cous come out, you'll do this then?
Building 4 or 5 new AM5 desktops for work at the moment. No point waiting really. I'll hopefully upgrade them all to tyzen 10000 or whatever they call it in a few years.
What CPUs are you using
@@punishthemeatpocket 7600 non x. They're powerful and very cost effective. For engineering software that is single threaded they do just fine. Pair with 6000mhz cl32 fam and my staff have no complaints.
6:30
In my honest opinion, I believe entry level VRAM should be 24GB and from there should jump up to 48GB for mid-tier and finally for top tier should be 64GB and Ultra Tier 128GB.
ok lmao
@@GewelReal
See? And THAT, RIGHT THERE, is the reason why people continue to be ripped off. 🤷♀🤦♂
@@TwstedTV nah more like some people are delusional with how GPU should cost.
Professional cards are kind of there already. There are still entry level Pro cards with single-digit vram GB, but the top prosumer cards are pushing into the 48-96 range, and the Radeon Pro SSG has 16 GB HBM paired with 2 TB of flash. Nvidia seems to prefer renting out 16-unit A100 NVlink farms to selling 2 TB cards, though.
Thats delusional even with today's AAA games. Entry Level should be 12GB, Midrange 16GB, High End starting at 20GB and above. 32GB would be sweet for enthusiast.
@hardwareunboxed I would really be interested in seeing your engagement metrics throughout the years as your channel adopted some of the trends of common UA-cam videos. I admittedly don’t always understand human motivations so the notion that a certain title or thumbnail has that big of an effect on viewership is a bit surprising to hear!
Will you guys be redoing a review for 13900k and 14900k after all the stock settings are resolved? Thanks,
If 5060 will be 8gb again , then I'll pass...thx to fsr 3.0 mods my rtx 3060 having its new life
Same. Getting close to 90 FPS in cyberpunk is a dream with the mod
ah yes, delicious fake frames
Why not get the AMD equivalent
5060 is expected to be 12gb not 8gb
@@mitchjames9350 FSR is open source; it'll work on any remotely modern GPU.
still here rooting for my baby 3070 with its 8gb ram doing absolutely fine everywhere at least for my needs at 1440p, but i guess coming from a super potato laptop im not very demanding as a gamer xd
Turn on RTX and watch it go to shit. It’s why I upgraded from that card. RTX off and it’s just fine. Except for the power draw which is high compared to 40 series.
Still on a 2080, playing games at 4k. Dlss is a huge help in games like Cyberpunk, 45-55 fps avg even with mods.
@@Bob_Smith19 my eyes cannot see the benefits of RTX anywhere xD i usually also activate dlls quality everywhere i can to lighten the load and cap it at my 144hz monitor refresh rate, beautiful graphics everywhere and smooth experience no complaints at all, if i ever upgrade it will probably be out of passion and that i would like to build something brand and shiny and super performant coz this first desktop of mine i bought it second hand already built and all best deal ever xD
im here for the end talk 😆😆
I watch a lot of longer form content on UA-cam, but if I'm taking a poo, or outside having a smoke, I'll watch a couple shorts, and sometimes I find someone whose long form content I like and subscribe there. I'm 39 years old, old man here, I hated shorts at first, but now I've found some really funny stuff there in categories I enjoy.
8gb vram is obsolete
It's not *completely* obsolete. But it's getting there. The deeper we get into the current console gen, the more problematic only having 8 GB will be.
So is 12gb on the 4070
If the 5080 is faster than the 4090 for around 1200 bucks than I’ll upgrade
999$ or they can keep it. That is what i expect - 4090 performance for LESS than 1000bucks. I know i am too bold in my dream but this or no upgrade.
@@ivaylotsankov7292 I think, given the current situation, that a 5080 at 999$ with similar (maybe 5% higher FPS and ~50watts less power consumption) performance is the best case scenario, but I don't think its likely at all.
@@ivaylotsankov7292 Why would you be too bold? That's exactly what we got with the 40 series. 3090 and even 3090 Ti performance for less than $1000.
i feel like a 5080 for $1200 would obviously give us better value for our fps but i think usually when there's a new generation the value increase is better. like for example i know someone said that with 40 series you can get RTX 3090 performance for less than $1k, and even going back to when the 3070 came out, it was basically 2080ti performance for $499
i would hope that we continue this trend and get 4090 performance for $1k, maybe less, on either a 5080 or 5070
only time will tell though, we can only hope for the best
1:24 Upgraded from i7-8700 to 7800X3D for Helldivers 2 and have zero regrets. Went from dipping in the 30s to a rock solid 90.
Considering AM5 just began and I got a quality X670E board ( Tomahawk ), I can simply just upgrade the CPU later and resell the 7800X3D.
As for GPUs, 3070 is holding for now, had it for years, no plans to upgrade for now. Iows, it depends on your context right now.
27:35 Enabling integer scaling fixes that blurry problem.
more vram more better
Thats not always the case.
7600 xt with its 16gb has a bad price-performance rato, 7700xt 12gb is just a lot better and 12gb is decent for this performance. Also 7600 xt will more likely have fps issues before vram issues appear so the vram is not an issue at all.
You need BOTH raw power AND Vram NOT just Vram
@@AlienGurkeYou can have both the architecture and the vram capacity. Both go hand in hand. 4060ti 8gb or 16gb are both stupid in their own ways.
@@wertyuiopasd6281 4060ti 16gb is mostly stupid bc of the high price. But honestly with 256bit bus it would fit more and would be the 3070 with 16gb but more efficent lol
Nvidia will be an absolute dick if they do an 8GB card in that performance bracket, should be 11 to 12GB. Only place for an 8GB card would be a 5050 class card.
You say that as if nvidia are the only ones still making 8GB GPUs. Both intel and AMD still make 8GB GPUs.
Nvidia!
It knows better!
8gb is enough for poor people!
😂
I see a timeline where there's no 5050 and the 5060 ends up being what the 5050 should have been. Just a feeling, no recent NVidia moves could possibly hint that it could happen. Also the 50/50 is a bit of an inadvisable name.
No problem, it will be 5050 class card, with "5060" name and price
we have seen it before, look at 4060 which is renamed 4050 - 128 bit, the same 8Gb, stripped-down AD106 chip modification (GA106 was in 3050), overall performance is worse than 3060-12 in some cases, no way it outperforms 3070 like it was before - one step ahead past tier
if people buy it - it will be produced, thats how market works
nvidia dont want to be good - it just want your money, simple as hell
2060s (2019) is almost 2070 (2018) - about ~3%
2070 ~ 3060
3060 ~ 4060
= 2060s ~ 4060, and 5 years later - almost zero progress in that segment
fanboys will buy them anyway so why should they care?
On the CPU topic, I have a 14700K on an asrock motherboard, and the board pushes the CPU to 253w max and it allowed me to put it down so I set it to 200w and only 1k less score on cinebench r23 but I've had no problems with the platform. So I think it's the board manufactures fault settings the CPU wattage to unlimited.
28:00 - what if you have a 1440p sidescreen, would you switch from 4K to get better frames?
UA-cam "Shorts" wouldn't be so bad if I didn't have to close the section overy 30 days or whatever. No amount of shoving my face in it is gonna make me interested.
Id say it doesnt matter waiting or not with amd cpus.
Last couple gens they launched so expensive the last gen cpus didnt budge in price for months afterwards anyway
IIRC Zen 4 was same price or even cheaper than Zen 3
@@defeqel6537 launch to launch maybe, but not launch to market prices.
In Australia I got a 5600x for $320 a bit before the 7600x launched at $520
Look at the launch price of the 7600x in your region and compare it to the current price.
Buildzoid has done two analysis videos on this Intel issue. The TL:DW version is that the motherboard makers are actually running too little voltage. The new "Baseline" profiles actually run more voltage.
Personally I hate messing around with game settings. I tend to just use high settings. Does nvidia panel recommended settings work well. Is it OK to rely on it for best settings.
I would absolutely not wait for ZEN5.. It will bring the usual ~20%, certainly not a game changer, but most importantly, it will cost at least 50% more than ZEN4 currently does..
Yeah, to me the 7600 has good enough performance for pretty much anything but a 4080/4090 build.
Better off to go 7600 and then upgrade to to high end Zen 6, which I expect to be on AM5
@@TheDarksideFNothingagreed. My 7600x compliments my 7900XT just fine. Gonna prob crave In and buy next gen x3d chip
I'm waiting for Zen 5 so I can possibly get a discount on a 7800X3D.
From day 1 i've been disabeling the shorts every month, i hate them, the content is (nearly)always extremely shallow and rappid fire and glosses over any form of detail. Its just terrible.
Oh hey!!! Tim!!! You’re a Crows fan??? Heck yeah ^~^
Our latest GPU was a RX7900GRE, for my eldest daughter. The card delivers very good value/performance at ~$520 (delivered); particularly with the March-updated driver. Went with Red Team due to the higher VRAM, at 16GB. We were targeting a solid performer at 1440P, coupled to a 144Hz monitor. Use case: VR, FPS gaming, creativity (graphics design), office productivity. Platform: AM4 - B550 - 5800X - 2x16GB DDR4 3600.
Nvidia prices have been out of control ever since D.L.S.S came out with the 2,000 series. I want to point out that the "A.I machines" that use still have a cost to run their D.L.S.S models through those machines. So Nvidia still has to pay for the total amount of Kilowatts that those so-called "A.I machines" use up. In the end the end product ends with a higher price because of that. I mean look at the prices of the older GTX cards that didn't have that A.I software & other software gimmicks. Even with inflation the cards would still be priced right where Nvidia is pricing their mid-range cards now.
4090 was cheaper than 3090
Wth are you talking about about "those ai machines still have a cost to run DLSS models" when DLSS is literally offline and literally just an upscaling ??
@@Eleganttf2 No it isn',t they run the code through their A.I machines before they release it into drivers, which tell the GPU how to treat the upscaling of D.L.S.S. If ever single gpu out there ran the A.I independently there would be a HUGE variation on the difference between ever time you ran with D.L.S.S enable. Since ever GPU isn't always perfectly the same quality this isn't possible.
@@Sal3600 Where are getting your information the MSRP for the RTX 3090 is $1499 the RTX 4090 is $1,599.
The late released "RTX 3090 ti" which was MSRP at $1,999 which released like 4-6 months before the 4000 series came out.
@@kevinerbs2778 Have you ever heard of crazy Covid inflation?
if i see a youtube face in a thumbnail in a recommended video, i select "dont recommend channel"
Yeah? Okay 👍
So every channel then.
I turned off MCE though I'm still on a 12900KF to be safe, it is a good question voltage wise what exactly all these settings do, I kinda wish I knew more but am not sure how to learn all the intricacies of the BIOS voltage and timings settings etc.
I'm curious about next gen FSR would render on next gen AMD APU. I've heard some rumor for release this year.
not 1st :(
28:06 I agree for 1440p, but 1080p on a 4K monitor should be completely fine thanks to integer upscaling. That dead-simple upscaling mode makes 1 rendered pixel take exactly 4 physical pixels, which essentially makes the 4K monitor appear exactly like a native 1080p monitor.
Yeah, most games I play tend to determine the ideal settings for me. I sometimes mess with them a little. But if your system sets up your system with 4k medium, and you slide it to ultra, don't complain about the 30fps...
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I have an RTX 3070TI FE. Do I need to upgrade right now, or can I wait till next year?
And! It's gonna be May!
I can't imagine they'll stuff up the pricing of the 80 series card again. They know $1199 didn't sell well, what i think they'll do is price at $999 but it won't be as much of a jump in performance that would we would normally see. So maybe more in line with the 4090 in raster but a good amount better in ray tracing , but we'll still be on a 256 bit bus with 16gb. This to me sounds the most likely and it leaves room for a 5080ti to fill in the gap between the much much more powerful 5090. As for the 5090 price.... I think that it might actually go up in price since the gap will be even larger, maybe $1,799.
I was having VRAM issues with my 10GB 3080 and just went 4090 this time. Im perfectly fine not doing anything until 6+ months after release. Just went through the headache for finding a 4k QDOLED not going through that again this year.
12 GB on a 128 bit bus may be actually hard to do using standard RAM chips (which come in power-of-two capacities and bus widths).
GDDR7 will have 3GB modules next year
I highly agree, I'm not into the short-form video content and being constantly pushed by UA-cam to please watch Shorts makes me me really more adversed to it than curious about it.
They so need to make a football unboxed channel!
So funny, actually made me look up the football scores.
Y'all were talking about how the asrock B650m-hdv/m.2 board is an OEM crap board, but I swear I watched one of your videos late last year and bought that very board off y'alls recommendation as it being a decent board with higher end features at a cheap price. Idk if I'm getting something confused here. Either way, it's been a great board as I'm only running a 7800x3d.
It is easy to say wait when you have a gaming PC. I remember it used to drive me nuts before I had my rig.
reduce resolution is the FIRST thing you do...just not down to 1080 one step down from default....then turn down shadows or secondary effects(bloom motion blur ssao etc.) and or adjusting texture resolution(ram bottleneck)..those generally require a second render pass...
Thanks for the Australian football dissertation at the end lmao.
I see the need for even 10GB VRAM for entry level would become necessary due to excessive VRAM usage today even in 1080p/WUXGA at maxed out settings and ray traced settings, in 160-bit bus. What I know of RDNA4 and beyond is: a clean sheet redesign in terms of ray tracing cores in each CU as main focus. I would also expect future iterations of FSR(4) to be mainly AI-driven to accommodate better FG and ray reconstruction, and improvements in 1080p upscaling, using both AI cores on Radeon cards and fallback for older and competition GPUs via DP4a algorithm. This would be possible due to ROCm integration.
I'm on a 5600x and I'm an fps snob. I need a gpu rn, for fun and for study / work. Should I go for a 4070 super and upgrade my cpu 2 to 3 years from now or go for a 4060 ti and maybe upgrade to a 8800X3D for the end of next year? Here in brazil, decent ddr5 ram is still on a way to expensive category.
Mostly play shooters, but once in a while I play some single player games. 😊
How much does VRAM help in general?
The 4060 Ti 8GB vs 4060 Ti 16GB are virtually the same in benchmarks.
honest talk, in medium and high setting, same fps, in ultra setting and only in hoghwart and last of us fps will be different
The architecture has be taken into account.
The 4060ti is a trash product anyway, the bus bit etc. Everything is wrong.
Except when they aren't and you can see performance loss and extra system RAM useage, or textures not loading properly then getting reloaded as necessary. The 4060 ti doesn't need 16 GB but the 8 GB version is stupid.
I'm an enthousiast and I've changed my CPU (AM4) about 7 times in 2,5 years time. Went from a fun 3200G, some others, 4650G Pro, 4750G Pro, 5800X, X3D and now a 5950X - I liked them all, OC's were fun - so you'd reckon I would be on my way to AM5. Although I do find the platform is maturing, I feel no incentive as of yet to start. Currently I'm not agreeing with the long memory-training (and having to that again on each CMOS reset) and for me personally, the performance-increase doesn't warrant it yet either.
The other thing, I like to see more memory stability. I'm running a 4x8GB config that I can OC fine and haven't had crashes due to this yet (kit isn't even "fit" for AMD or so they "say"). Until I see people saying a memory-kit that just works that isn't on the QVL for AM5-boards I'm staying in the meanwhile.
This Generation has been the worst in every way. Both for GPU and CPU.
The brief discussion around Ratchet and Clank on a 2070 and the muddy textures makes me want to go and retest this. I cant think of any time where the textures looked muddy. Possibly might be something to do with DLSS cleaning up the muddy textures? Dunno, but I personally haven't noticed what theyve talked about here
Halo, Forsaken, Hogwarts Legacy, Last of Us have instances when they do not render the full texture pack due to lack of VRAM. You can easily find these gameplay videos on UA-cam.
Steve : "I want my ands taken seriously "
Is that your left 'and or your right 'and
I’m suddenly very interesting in Australian Football and idek what these cities are
my 1080ti died sold my 2080ti and 69xt was gonna get a 79xtx and or new intel nvidia stuff but the prices still insane all round guess ill keep waiting
sadly that's the market :)
Im an ARC A770 user, 16gb of VRAM. I play mostly World of Tanks - this game will play on older cards like the 4(!)gb GTX 970 yet when I use the Arc it will often hit 10gb of VRAM @ 160fps on my high refresh rate monitor.
The ARC is far from high end, but that extra VRAM will likley give it a longer life than lets say an RTX 4060 or RX7600 8gb or even a RTX 4060ti 8gb for that matter. Just my thoughts.
Relating to the what to do to gain FPS question, my approach is to have dual monitor setup - one is a relatively high refresh rate 1080 27" and the other a relatively high refresh 4k 27". If the A770 can handle 4k at decent refresh rates I use that. if not i use the 1080.
Both monitors are 165Hz screens.
Thanks
I had an MSI z490 mobo that came default with mce on. Made my 10850k run at 1.45+ volts. The overclocked it with mce off at 5ghz all core with 1.25v and it ran much cooler and faster.
Navi 44 will be 192bit 12gb and Navi 48 256bit 16gb.
I'm guessing AMD will keep Navi 33 around as their 8gb range until RDNA5 is ready late next year/early 2026.
I am really hoping for a 75w 7500XT at $179 USD to replace the RX6600.
So 12GB for low end GPU's?
Another reason to wait on Zen5 is that currently the Zen4 "sweet spot" for RAM is DDR-6000. This might not be the optimal choice for Zen5
For the entry level cards with a 128 bit memory bus abd GDDR6 I would suspect that the XT variant will have 16GB of vram and the cut down variant will either have 8GB or the bus gets cut to 96 bit and they give us 12GB. Depending on performance if AMD want to charge $250+ for the cut version it really ought to have 12GB and a 96 bit bus. I think that is a smaller overall compromise than 8GB on a 128 bit bus.
i won't play the devil's advocat here, but maybe it would be time to see (sampler feedback streaming ) in games too
Aussy Football is like a mix of American football, Rugby, Soccer , basketball and Volleyball all mix into one. And as fast as it moves and as big as the pitch is, as well as being a newcomer it was pretty hard to follow the action but least the rules are simple. Very interesting sport I must say