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Europeans don't understand how enormous the US is. Its 3449 KMs from Madrid to Moscow. Its 3900 KMs from LA to NYC. Public transportation is such a huge issue in the US because everything is so spread out.
I am from europe and still would like the robovan and the cybercap here. In the cities the public transport can be meh because you have to share it with a lot of (often weird) people and in rural areas the bus might drive only 2 times in an hour or 2 times in a day. Would be much nicer to not have to own a car and have a taxi which is cheap and reliable with all your personal settings for comfort.
@@byGDurdoesn’t seem like either of these problems will be solved by the Cyber Taxi thing. For cities there is already Uber/Bolt etc which is cheap and fairly reliable. For rural areas the limited range of electric cars means it’s not a meaningful solution anyway
The issue in the U.S. isn’t that Elon Musk created self-driving cars, but rather that the country’s infrastructure was built in a way that prioritizes cars over green spaces, walkability, and public transportation. Unlike cities like Vienna, which have abundant greenery, pedestrian zones, underground parking, and sidewalks that encourage walking, the U.S. faces a systemic, governmental problem in how urban planning has been done-not a technological one.
Process this; all tech like social media to cars are monetizing connection because we don’t plan spaces and places we can be together easily. And much of this was aggressively intentional. Like how auto companies destroyed trollies and lobbied heavily for highways.
100% agree, and the worse that is... it's not like countries can't just change. The Netherlands, now known as a cycling city, used to full of a highways and stuff as it literally attempted to replicate America. And it successfully changed over the years. The issue is literally American mindset. Like how they perceive public transport is for poor people, and how they love "roadtrips" and big cars
Very accurate. I suppose an effect from most of the development of the country being done after the invention of the train. It was the first country created from the ground up with access to distance based transportation. Much of Europe is quite old, walking was the shelf mode of transportation for the majority of its development. It’s going to take quite the overhaul of that is ever to be a goal: walk ability and ease of access. But corporations rule for forces of humanity there and big oil makes good money off of vehicles.
"stadiums still need parking lots because of deliveries" is such a poor take. What? You need parking for 20,000 because you have 10 truck deliveries a day?
I also raised an eyebrow at that line. but I think he's mostly speaking to the fact that you still need full road infrastructure and a large tarmac for trucks to show up. If you're always gonna need that, AND you're gonna need regular parking lots for at least another 20 years until most cars are self driving, the whole ploy of showing a park next to a stadium is more fantasy than future reality
I live in San Francisco next to one of the Waymo garages/warehouses. I see probably a couple dozen of them self-driving in my own and nearby neighborhoods every day, and they're already driving at least as well as the average driver. They're definitely more cautious in some cases, which doesn't always mean better driving, but they're very consistent in terms of following the rules of the road which means when you're sharing the road with them you can be absolutely certain how they will behave which is an enormous advantage over random human drivers. So, the larger the percentage of self-driving cars the safer the roads should be, and the better the driving experience is for human drivers as well.
But they don't have the general solution of autonomy On the other hand tesla is developing the general solution of autonomy without expensive radar or lidar Purely based on AI and cameras
Guys guys, there's a difference between hopping straight up and an orbital launch. SpaceX is landing and catching boosters that send stuff to orbit. It actually flies back. Even if the earth wasn't rotating, it would still be a significant challenge.
@@cannadodry7022 ORBIT!!! Google going to ORBIT! Not LOW ORBIT! Do you understand what OBIT means? What SpaceX did no other country in the world can do. BEZOS can't do it with Blue Origin and they are 3 years older in comparison to SPACEX. This might be the dumbest Podcast, ever. They need to stick to researching Phone covers.
As a ex-rocketeer mechanical engineer transitioning into robotics engineers with AD, the amount of calculations and stress that rocketeers go through is just insane. And the entire 398ft tall feature lauches splits and lands back "between tweezers" whiile thrust vectoring with 33 Raptor engines on the booster and six Raptor and Raptor Vacuum (RVac) engines on the Starship is just the best show on earth? Huge props to Elon for the vision. As an Indian don't even get me started on how impressive the rocket/ jet engine technology and the marvels of the sub-cooled liquid methane (CH4) and liquid oxygen (LOX), let alone the incredible design.
57:58 whilst I agree there is a branding problem at Tesla right now, most folks are missing the obvious. Think about everything Elon is doing is going to Mars. Cybertruck; Mars Utility Vehicle. Optimus: First Martians. All the Hail Mary’s are actually goals for things he needs on Mars…. So, will the RoboTaxi come out? Absolutely, more data to feed the AI to help Optimus
I think the most obvious way to use the car is as a family car share. Dad uses it for work, sends it to his daughter to get her to a wedding, she sends it to her mother who's doing some shopping, etc. As well as a friend network, neighbor, company.
I see ppl here complaining that they didnt do the dishes cz the pod wasnt out. Kinda unrelated but idk why but I sometimes listen to the podcast while I do math and stuff like that for school 😭
As a European, I already live without driving. In fact, I don’t have neither a car nor license. I just don’t need a car where I live. I go shopping, meet friends and family and travel around by walking/metro/bus/tram. Of course a car is nice to have (and even mandatory for some people), but in those cases that is a necessity, you always can rent a car or pay a taxi. Just lets remove people from the roads using good public transport 😅
I do just want to say that as a blind person who can't drive, these ideas about cars that can completely drive themselves sound amazing. Just the fact that one day I could get in a car and go somewhere by myself is so exciting. Just wanted to provide a different perspective that some people maybe haven't thought of
Needs to be a regular cadence of Andrew+Ellis tech showcase/explainer videos on the Studio channel. Together they just shine with their content on that channel.
There are things that you fellas talk about casually on this show that are so insightful and clarifying to the plethora of nonsense hype out there around AI. It’s astounding just how many tech companies, sales and marketing folk are flogging this stuff. Thank you for being the beacon of light and reality in this mess 👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾
I'm actually shocked how they throw around spaceflight terms without much understanding. Maybe invite Everyday Astronaut or someone from NFS for stuff like this.
I had a similar reaction. They also seem to be echoing one another's negativity. A lot of what they're saying is easily refuted. Just a bunch of bros bagging on something they don't really understand.
Someone should have asked one of the fake Tesla robots a math question to find out if it was a person hiding behind a curtain somewhere. That would have been really funny if the response was super delayed and wrong lol
The goal was to attract the best engineers in the world, same as happen with space X which landing a rocket was classified impossible and it was done prior than everyone believe, if the goals are no ambiguous the progress will be slow so it is possible and challenging but not impossible
Your point about setting ambitious, seemingly impossible goals to drive progress is well taken, and SpaceX's accomplishments are indeed extraordinary. However, it's important to note some key differences between SpaceX and Tesla, which impact their approach to innovation and goal-setting. SpaceX’s success comes in part from its unique market position with little competition. By pioneering commercial spaceflight and focusing on reusable rockets and long-term goals like Mars colonization, SpaceX has built an early lead over rivals like Blue Origin and NASA. This near-monopoly allows SpaceX to take bold risks and set ambitious goals without the immediate pressures that come with fierce competition. Tesla, however, faces a very different reality. Once leading the electric vehicle market, Tesla now contends with numerous competitors-legacy automakers and new EV companies alike-forcing it to continually innovate just to maintain market share. Additionally, achieving full autonomous driving is far more complex than developing reusable rockets. While rockets operate in a controlled environment governed by predictable physical laws, autonomous driving must account for the unpredictability of human behavior, making it a far more challenging and multifaceted problem to solve.
@@theobservarator6424 insurance, just like now but much cheaper because accidents will happen less often and be less severe. Ai don’t get drunk or distracted or race each other but you’re right it won’t be perfect but a hell of a lot better than 40k loved ones dying EVERY YEAR.
@@theobservarator6424 No, the company that charges you for the software. They will have insurance and the customer will pay for it through a built in higher cost for the software license. However, crashes should get much more infrequent the more people are using Ai. Ai can react faster than any human and can see in all directions at the same time and can calculate trajectories and tolerances that a human couldn’t. It will drive superhuman. Right now, getting in your car and driving is the most dangerous activity anybody does with their day. It’s a false sense of security because there’re many crashes, including fatal crashes, that happen everyday where the driver had zero input into the outcome. I get why people don’t want to ‘trust’ a program with your life but programs are more predictable than humans. If I have to risk my life, I’d rather it be in the most predictably safe way possible.
@@TheGreatestJuJu No, that's not the question, the question is who is going to prison? The self driving algorithm engineers? The CEO? Or the owner of the company?
5:00 Screw Kindle since Amazon decided they had the right to automatically delete content off your Kindle without your permission. 1:19:28 I am glad they give SpaceX credit for the actual amazing stuff they are pulling off. Too often people are bitter or upset with Elon Musk so they either ignore his achievements or pretend they don't matter.
I wasn't intending to procrastinate for 3 hours, but I'm glad the podcast is FINALLY here so I can do my dishes! I'm going to have to use my (probably not genuine) AirPods, because my phone's on 1% and needs to charge, lol. What was I procrastinating on? My iPhone 16 models, which have been overtaken by my iPad Mini 7 model! It should be very easy since it's just a scaled down Air (with a dimmer screen than the Air) this year. Nonetheless, the dishes await me!
As on old (70s) IT geezer, I'm not going to watch your how to YT stuff, but I love the fact you've put it out there for the younger generations. Thanks.
Why not just subscribe to Audible and use your phone? The cost of a new device could buy you probably more audiobooks than you could reasonably listen to in several years
@@johnnyw525 Hey thanks for the suggestion. But I want Darth Vader to read to me. Edit: I'm joking about Vader. I just think it'd be cool to scroll through different voices for a particular book to find one that I personally like. No offense to anyone but there's some authors who read their own audiobooks but don't have the voice for it. I still listen anyway but.
Seems like it's a software feature Audible/Spotify/audiobooks in general will try to develop for use within an app, but voice actors would probably take huge issue with it
If Waveform has a million fans, I am one of them. If Waveform has ten fans, I am one of them. If Waveform has only one fan, that is me. If Waveform has no fans, that means I've probably done the dishes already, lol. The chances are slimmer than my moustache, but one can dream! 😝🗣️🗣️🗣️
I think Tesla's event was unintentionally a huge hit. I think teleoperated Optimus is Cybertruck's onstage broken window equivalent, which got people talking about the Cybertruck.
Just off the top of my head, a bus does not address: door to door transport & privacy/safety. The people who say busses are great generally don’t use them.
@dannylemmon As someone who does use busses regularly, they r pretty much door to door if implemented correctly with within walking range bus stops with good service Also is privacy that important when u consider that they r cheaper, better on environment and can be used by people who don't have a cool 30k lying around ?
1:13:35 i’ve used that same analogy when explaining the ships on The Expanse. they’re like buildings that can launch into space and come back down. absolutely wild
I REALLY agree with the take “why not a bus?” For the Tesla event showcase. Public transportation like buses & trains are wayyy more efficient at getting a large amount of people from point A to point B. It’d be cool to see stuff from Tesla for electric, full-self-driving buses, rather than inefficient 2 seater cars that get stuck in traffic.
@@goofybryson I think a lot of people feel the way you do. But let me try and persuade you. Public transportation suffers from two issues. First, it's filled with strangers with all sorts of problems (smell, noise, crime, or even just uncomfortableness). Secondly, most people aren't going from point A->B they are going from point C->D and the bus doesn't go to those places. So they have to walk or Uber to get from C->A->B->D.
Walking 15 min to a bus station (at best) then waiting up to an hour (assuming it didn't arrive early and you missed it), and then walking again to your destination. Most of the US is spread out, and the density doesn't make a bus a viable option
I feel tech podcast should make people excited about the future not criticising everything can we a bit more optimistic. I don’t think they realise how negative these lot have become in recent times. I am sure I am not the only one. We need hope for tech than just plain criticism
I think they strike a good balance. The SpaceX stuff is very exciting and they are rightly enthusiastic. Elon dropping insane promises to get his stock up is not exciting and they are rightly cynical.
The taxi service could work in some of those newly designed cities popping up outside of metro areas. The townhouse/shopping center/park-themed places that have the self-driving taxis.
These clowns smooth brained the use cases. They could easily be geo-fenced to only support local routes. I live in a series of 4 beach communities w a LOT of oldsters who could use my 3 robotaxis (yes, I will buy them the day they’re announced) all day. 2 seats and room for groceries would be fine.
People said the same thing about the headphones jack...until it wasn't stupid anymore. You gotta remove the steering wheel for the average people to truly believe it's self driving...but he has to repeatedly show it's crash free for them to want to believe it's safe.
You can't be fully autonomous if you are still building manual controls. It's like asking your pen to be feathered because you want a quill. Or why doesn't your touchpad stylus produce ink so you can use it as a pen.
I get the concept behind having your car drive autonomously while you're sitting at home. Relaxing or at night when you're sleeping, but you can't plan spontaneous events. What happened to the event of an emergency and you need to jump in your car and rush somewhere? What happens if you get that late night text from a certain lady telling you to come over. Now you have to stand and wait for your car to come back from wherever the hell it is in the city or order a Lyft or Uber when you have your own car.
no offence but you guys are overly pessimistic about anything Tesla does. A lot of the problems you guys are bringing up have extremely easy solutions and you're acting like they're huge problems.
Agreed. They still called Cybertruck vaporware less than a month before it started shipping. FSD is not perfect, but clearly already functioning across the US. Making a smaller physical car is not a challenge for Tesla
Being REALISTIC about an event that turned out to be pretty much smoke and mirrors is reasonable. Let’s see Tesla actually adhere to their claims for once before being optimistic about the “future“ they’re trying to sell.
Wow, 1700 on Friday afternoon in the UK! It's a late upload for this week's video version of the podcast! Great to start the weekend with chat from The Studio!
These guys have no imagination. You can’t take a bus whenever wherever you want. You could totally own “one” cybercab, keep it within your household, leave your things in it.
You can if you live in Jersey or New York City. Those guys have 24hr underground train systems, for heaven's sake. And there's no reason that every town and city on the continent can't have as good public transit, except that most people are uninformed and would rather the government throw their tax money into the giant hole that is car infrastructure.
There are plenty of reasons, mostly financial. The cost of good public transit is very expensive, and only pays off once your network is complete. Had we invested early instead of car infra, it would have been possible. Now, there is no political will to make the swap, especially when robotaxis exist
@@thomasreese2816 An automated taxi is no different from a regular taxi in regards to how much space it takes up on the road or its heavy infrastructure needs. It will change nothing about how our society works, except that you can scroll through tiktok instead of driving. And besides, they don't really exist, and won't for a very long time. And we did invest early in public transit. Except it was all ripped out when the automobile came along, which was an extremely costly mistake that we must now reverse. You write as if car dependence is inevitable. It isn't.
More like every few days. That paired with the 20x increase in Tesla's compute means faster improvement and more focus on edge cases, now that the base challenges of driving are mostly solved
Well FSD is not good enough to get govt permission to be fully unsupervised, but I’m sure 2 more years and it will get there! I’m also sure i heard this before already
With all the AI tools available and the ongoing discussions about whether they improve your skills or not, I think the focus is being missed. What makes someone a good designer isn’t simply the ability to match two images or do similar tasks. It’s the knowledge of composition, your taste, and all the subtle aspects of design. The practical part is the effort you put into bringing your vision to life. To draw from your comparison, "Are you better at math because you can use a calculator?"-a mathematician’s challenges aren’t solved by the calculator alone. You have to figure out the right theorems and use your past experiences to approach a problem. At that point, a time-consuming but not mentally demanding task can be handled by a tool like a calculator. The same applies to math theorems: you don’t become less capable because you don’t need to reprove the Bolzano theorem every time it’s relevant. Instead, you gain more time to focus on where you can make an actual contribution. Sorry about the little rant 😂
love you yall but for a bunch of creative people. You lack Imagination. If this tech does work and it's a big if I'm not say it is. Similar to how we now have uber, uber eats, Airbnb, etc this technology will be a platform.
The complete lack of vision going on here is pretty frustrating. It won't all happen tomorrow but it will happen. It will also evolve in unexpected ways and everyone will pivot. Why the insane amount of negativity?
Because Tesla is talking about something they know can’t happen anytime soon? And they gave themselves a ridiculous timeline to make it happen? We already saw the movies about these ideas - if that’s all Tesla wanted to show (and not any actionable products/ideas) then they’re simply late
@@37racso I use FSD every day. It is incredible and it is quickly accelerating towards driving better than humans. It did take them a while to get all the pieces in place. But it's here. Much like every revolutionary product Tesla promises. They turn the nearly impossible into merely late.
To be clear, I believe Elon Musk exhibits problematic behavior and could benefit from serious therapy. However, the engineering teams at Tesla and SpaceX are accomplishing some of the most remarkable feats in modern engineering. While it's uncertain how long this momentum will last, the progress toward autonomous vehicles has reached a point where their widespread adoption seems inevitable.
What will happen? If this is possible then Tesla wouldn't sell it but instead use it for themselves. Why would they sell automatic money making machines to others?
Most of the time I'm watching the pod, I'm also retouching images of cars. Generative tech has sped up my workflows quite a bit and I think the results are equal to what I used to produce without the tech.
David got the wardrobe of a Persian king
Lol😂
Love the shirt!
In UA-cam did Kubla Khan/ A stately pleasure-dome decree: Where Podcast, the sacred platform, ran/ Through video measureless to man/ Down to a subscriberless sea.
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That overshirt is definitely a joke
The European mind cannot comprehend the American way of trying to do public transport without actually doing public transport
Nobody cares what the dying continent thinks. Their only ‘innovation’ is finding out new ways to tax or fine the successful.
Europeans don't understand how enormous the US is. Its 3449 KMs from Madrid to Moscow. Its 3900 KMs from LA to NYC.
Public transportation is such a huge issue in the US because everything is so spread out.
@@dpb22You do realise that you can take a train to from Moscow to Madrid. Most of it will even be high speed rail
I am from europe and still would like the robovan and the cybercap here. In the cities the public transport can be meh because you have to share it with a lot of (often weird) people and in rural areas the bus might drive only 2 times in an hour or 2 times in a day. Would be much nicer to not have to own a car and have a taxi which is cheap and reliable with all your personal settings for comfort.
@@byGDurdoesn’t seem like either of these problems will be solved by the Cyber Taxi thing. For cities there is already Uber/Bolt etc which is cheap and fairly reliable. For rural areas the limited range of electric cars means it’s not a meaningful solution anyway
The issue in the U.S. isn’t that Elon Musk created self-driving cars, but rather that the country’s infrastructure was built in a way that prioritizes cars over green spaces, walkability, and public transportation. Unlike cities like Vienna, which have abundant greenery, pedestrian zones, underground parking, and sidewalks that encourage walking, the U.S. faces a systemic, governmental problem in how urban planning has been done-not a technological one.
Process this; all tech like social media to cars are monetizing connection because we don’t plan spaces and places we can be together easily. And much of this was aggressively intentional. Like how auto companies destroyed trollies and lobbied heavily for highways.
100% agree, and the worse that is... it's not like countries can't just change.
The Netherlands, now known as a cycling city, used to full of a highways and stuff as it literally attempted to replicate America.
And it successfully changed over the years.
The issue is literally American mindset. Like how they perceive public transport is for poor people, and how they love "roadtrips" and big cars
Very accurate. I suppose an effect from most of the development of the country being done after the invention of the train. It was the first country created from the ground up with access to distance based transportation.
Much of Europe is quite old, walking was the shelf mode of transportation for the majority of its development.
It’s going to take quite the overhaul of that is ever to be a goal: walk ability and ease of access.
But corporations rule for forces of humanity there and big oil makes good money off of vehicles.
David bringing up the calculator analogy in contrast to Marques's deep question is the best moment EVER on this podcast... It was just PERFECT.
Fr!
"stadiums still need parking lots because of deliveries" is such a poor take. What? You need parking for 20,000 because you have 10 truck deliveries a day?
I also raised an eyebrow at that line. but I think he's mostly speaking to the fact that you still need full road infrastructure and a large tarmac for trucks to show up. If you're always gonna need that, AND you're gonna need regular parking lots for at least another 20 years until most cars are self driving, the whole ploy of showing a park next to a stadium is more fantasy than future reality
Ellis needs his own 15 minute show. Too much charisma sitting over there.
Correct
Qué perris, Ellis! ✨
Who is Ellis?
@@widerthanpictureswhen they show the 2 producers of the show, he’s the one on the left. Lots of jokes.
"Are you worse at math because you can use a calculator? Yes." David came with the best wardrobe & best one line today.
I live in San Francisco next to one of the Waymo garages/warehouses. I see probably a couple dozen of them self-driving in my own and nearby neighborhoods every day, and they're already driving at least as well as the average driver. They're definitely more cautious in some cases, which doesn't always mean better driving, but they're very consistent in terms of following the rules of the road which means when you're sharing the road with them you can be absolutely certain how they will behave which is an enormous advantage over random human drivers. So, the larger the percentage of self-driving cars the safer the roads should be, and the better the driving experience is for human drivers as well.
Exactly. This Podcast has people on it who don't know how to drive and argue against robots driving for them. This isn't a podcast; it's a Podcats
But they don't have the general solution of autonomy
On the other hand tesla is developing the general solution of autonomy without expensive radar or lidar
Purely based on AI and cameras
@@aadityachourasia2124 So?
@@ummon so wait and watch 🙃
took so long to upload the podcast because everyone was entranced by David’s shirt holy hell 😅
Guys guys, there's a difference between hopping straight up and an orbital launch. SpaceX is landing and catching boosters that send stuff to orbit. It actually flies back. Even if the earth wasn't rotating, it would still be a significant challenge.
The level of research for a Tech Pod is abysmal...
@@Teddy_M85 true!
It was done in 1993. It was called the delta clipper and the rocket landed vertically exactly where it took off.
@@cannadodry7022 ORBIT!!! Google going to ORBIT! Not LOW ORBIT! Do you understand what OBIT means? What SpaceX did no other country in the world can do. BEZOS can't do it with Blue Origin and they are 3 years older in comparison to SPACEX.
This might be the dumbest Podcast, ever. They need to stick to researching Phone covers.
@@Teddy_M85 I agree, they need to learn about how this stuff works before saying random thoughts they have on it.
For people who haven't done their dishes yet, do it now!!!
Get out of my head!!
You just saved me a fee from missing a clean check at my apartment. 👍 👍
52:35 Robotaxi is the service, and Cybercab and Robovan are the vehicles
I don’t think that’s right. The Tesla website doesn’t say cybercar anywhere I can find.
If you guys want to do a deep-dive interview episode about space tech, y'all should interview Everyday Astronaut (Tim Dodd).
They've GOTTA get someone who actually knows what they're talking about when it comes to space stuff
@@isaacstevens1912 Exactly!! They need to learn how it works
Dude who loves busses has never rode the bus.
I enjoyed riding buses in Japan
@@cjmixmaster bro did the meme
As a ex-rocketeer mechanical engineer transitioning into robotics engineers with AD, the amount of calculations and stress that rocketeers go through is just insane. And the entire 398ft tall feature lauches splits and lands back "between tweezers" whiile thrust vectoring with 33 Raptor engines on the booster and six Raptor and Raptor Vacuum (RVac) engines on the Starship is just the best show on earth? Huge props to Elon for the vision. As an Indian don't even get me started on how impressive the rocket/ jet engine technology and the marvels of the sub-cooled liquid methane (CH4) and liquid oxygen (LOX), let alone the incredible design.
Kind of sad seeing you young guys acting like old men. Conservative, negative, grumpy, no vision and even worse: lacking in knowledge/understanding
Wow, Jacob Collier sitting for David was quite the "get" for todays episode.
Adam losing it at the Shania Twain joke is pure gold
7:29 "Audio listeners, I am staring blankly at David" OMG, best line 😂😂😂
46:46
>"i got a hot take"
>proceeds to share literal coldest take
I haven’t gotten there yet but that sounds like an Ellis line
57:58 whilst I agree there is a branding problem at Tesla right now, most folks are missing the obvious. Think about everything Elon is doing is going to Mars. Cybertruck; Mars Utility Vehicle. Optimus: First Martians. All the Hail Mary’s are actually goals for things he needs on Mars…. So, will the RoboTaxi come out? Absolutely, more data to feed the AI to help Optimus
I think the most obvious way to use the car is as a family car share. Dad uses it for work, sends it to his daughter to get her to a wedding, she sends it to her mother who's doing some shopping, etc. As well as a friend network, neighbor, company.
assuming it can actually drive itself... which they currently can't
I get the point but why does your mental family live in the 1950s?
David, your shirt looks beautiful 🙋🏽♂️
Oh my god, I actually laughed out loud for so long because of how you sent Andrew on this little trip with the Shania Twain thing 😂😂😂
46:39
>"i have a hot take"
>proceeds to share literal coldest take
That Shania Twain joke was amazing haha 1:18:14
The Shania Twain joke officially confirmed this was the right channel to subscribe to 😂
I see ppl here complaining that they didnt do the dishes cz the pod wasnt out. Kinda unrelated but idk why but I sometimes listen to the podcast while I do math and stuff like that for school 😭
My procrastination in dishes is always spontaneous! 😝💯
Wtf is cz? Is that like when kids say IJBOL bc they’re too insecure to say lmao
@lorddeecee idk what ijbol is but cz stands for cause/because here, it's a shortform
@@fidaananver I just found out IJBOL means I Just Burst Out Laughing.
@@just_mdd4 lmaoooo 🤣
I saw people thinking Andrew got fired 💀
That was some very funny logic to follow
As a European, I already live without driving. In fact, I don’t have neither a car nor license. I just don’t need a car where I live. I go shopping, meet friends and family and travel around by walking/metro/bus/tram. Of course a car is nice to have (and even mandatory for some people), but in those cases that is a necessity, you always can rent a car or pay a taxi. Just lets remove people from the roads using good public transport 😅
Riding around with a bunch of other people every day kinda sucks.
I do just want to say that as a blind person who can't drive, these ideas about cars that can completely drive themselves sound amazing. Just the fact that one day I could get in a car and go somewhere by myself is so exciting. Just wanted to provide a different perspective that some people maybe haven't thought of
Needs to be a regular cadence of Andrew+Ellis tech showcase/explainer videos on the Studio channel. Together they just shine with their content on that channel.
you guys made me nervous! Glad to see the fam, thanks for another Friday! Hope you all have a great rest of your weekend!
This is not how I expected to discover that Ellis is an Animaniac
I spent this whole episode waiting for David to aplogize about the Wild Robot
Ayyyyyy 1:07:12 Sri Lanka 🇱🇰 mentioned..... and finally we have something :)
Let's go lad finally we have something 😂😂
At least they’ve heard about us
There are things that you fellas talk about casually on this show that are so insightful and clarifying to the plethora of nonsense hype out there around AI. It’s astounding just how many tech companies, sales and marketing folk are flogging this stuff. Thank you for being the beacon of light and reality in this mess 👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾
Highlight and shadow clipping indicator visible on David and Andrew 😂
Taco bell being the "dong heard round the world" was a MASSIVELY underappreciated joke from Elis. I actually cackled outloud
I'm actually shocked how they throw around spaceflight terms without much understanding. Maybe invite Everyday Astronaut or someone from NFS for stuff like this.
I had a similar reaction. They also seem to be echoing one another's negativity. A lot of what they're saying is easily refuted. Just a bunch of bros bagging on something they don't really understand.
The WVFRM’s take on the iPad Mini not having a Pro version is spot on!
Someone should have asked one of the fake Tesla robots a math question to find out if it was a person hiding behind a curtain somewhere. That would have been really funny if the response was super delayed and wrong lol
😂😂😂😂. Just a long multiplication such as 8383×4737
@@dnn32 lol 😂. I’m sure the “robot” would have said it’s not programmed to respond to math problems at the moment or some bs like that 😂
The goal was to attract the best engineers in the world, same as happen with space X which landing a rocket was classified impossible and it was done prior than everyone believe, if the goals are no ambiguous the progress will be slow so it is possible and challenging but not impossible
Your point about setting ambitious, seemingly impossible goals to drive progress is well taken, and SpaceX's accomplishments are indeed extraordinary. However, it's important to note some key differences between SpaceX and Tesla, which impact their approach to innovation and goal-setting.
SpaceX’s success comes in part from its unique market position with little competition. By pioneering commercial spaceflight and focusing on reusable rockets and long-term goals like Mars colonization, SpaceX has built an early lead over rivals like Blue Origin and NASA. This near-monopoly allows SpaceX to take bold risks and set ambitious goals without the immediate pressures that come with fierce competition.
Tesla, however, faces a very different reality. Once leading the electric vehicle market, Tesla now contends with numerous competitors-legacy automakers and new EV companies alike-forcing it to continually innovate just to maintain market share. Additionally, achieving full autonomous driving is far more complex than developing reusable rockets. While rockets operate in a controlled environment governed by predictable physical laws, autonomous driving must account for the unpredictability of human behavior, making it a far more challenging and multifaceted problem to solve.
40,000 deaths from car crashes every year. I’m ready to take humans out of the loop.
Who will be liable for AI accidents that will definitely happen?
@@theobservarator6424 insurance, just like now but much cheaper because accidents will happen less often and be less severe. Ai don’t get drunk or distracted or race each other but you’re right it won’t be perfect but a hell of a lot better than 40k loved ones dying EVERY YEAR.
@@TheGreatestJuJu
Who's insurance?
Mine?
I'm liable for an AI killkg someone?
@@theobservarator6424 No, the company that charges you for the software. They will have insurance and the customer will pay for it through a built in higher cost for the software license. However, crashes should get much more infrequent the more people are using Ai. Ai can react faster than any human and can see in all directions at the same time and can calculate trajectories and tolerances that a human couldn’t. It will drive superhuman.
Right now, getting in your car and driving is the most dangerous activity anybody does with their day. It’s a false sense of security because there’re many crashes, including fatal crashes, that happen everyday where the driver had zero input into the outcome.
I get why people don’t want to ‘trust’ a program with your life but programs are more predictable than humans. If I have to risk my life, I’d rather it be in the most predictably safe way possible.
@@TheGreatestJuJu No, that's not the question, the question is who is going to prison? The self driving algorithm engineers? The CEO? Or the owner of the company?
5:00 Screw Kindle since Amazon decided they had the right to automatically delete content off your Kindle without your permission.
1:19:28 I am glad they give SpaceX credit for the actual amazing stuff they are pulling off. Too often people are bitter or upset with Elon Musk so they either ignore his achievements or pretend they don't matter.
I wasn't intending to procrastinate for 3 hours, but I'm glad the podcast is FINALLY here so I can do my dishes! I'm going to have to use my (probably not genuine) AirPods, because my phone's on 1% and needs to charge, lol.
What was I procrastinating on? My iPhone 16 models, which have been overtaken by my iPad Mini 7 model! It should be very easy since it's just a scaled down Air (with a dimmer screen than the Air) this year. Nonetheless, the dishes await me!
Bro u use iphone 16 with fake airpods?
@@christopherkaliati8480 *Samsung Galaxy A03 Core, lol. The battery life on my iPhone 8 Plus is...questionable.
Just got a cava bowl for lunch! Thank the heavens y'all uploaded.
As on old (70s) IT geezer, I'm not going to watch your how to YT stuff, but I love the fact you've put it out there for the younger generations. Thanks.
I'd 1,000% buy an E-Reader that has built-in AI voices that read the books. Turning every book into an audiobook.
Why not just subscribe to Audible and use your phone? The cost of a new device could buy you probably more audiobooks than you could reasonably listen to in several years
@@johnnyw525 Hey thanks for the suggestion. But I want Darth Vader to read to me.
Edit: I'm joking about Vader. I just think it'd be cool to scroll through different voices for a particular book to find one that I personally like. No offense to anyone but there's some authors who read their own audiobooks but don't have the voice for it. I still listen anyway but.
Seems like it's a software feature Audible/Spotify/audiobooks in general will try to develop for use within an app, but voice actors would probably take huge issue with it
@@thanos879The actor is dead so there's no way to get his consent for that.
@@MindAndMyth Sorry, I should've made it cleat that I was joking. I wouldn't expect this theoretical device to have any famous voices.
Was nervous….i saw the audio only version of this was available…didn’t see the video and now yay! Ha
I’ve been waiting 168 hours for this… happy Friday!!
Just watched whole video while doing gym.. I am always happy to see these type of tech stuff podcast ❤❤
Finally 🎉 kept refreshing my feed all morning lol
The last Studio channel's video was a BANGER 🔥
David came back in styleee
we need a long form episode on David’s outfit
I never doubted you guys for a minute
A.I. Company: “I have a concept of an idea”.
Yes and a bunch of reviewers who have no experience in hardware and software manufacturing knows better 😂
If Waveform has a million fans, I am one of them. If Waveform has ten fans, I am one of them. If Waveform has only one fan, that is me. If Waveform has no fans, that means I've probably done the dishes already, lol.
The chances are slimmer than my moustache, but one can dream! 😝🗣️🗣️🗣️
I already take a nap on my commute, it’s calling riding the bus or train 😂
These guys are more exited about an iPad with pretty much the same specs than the previous ones than a fricking humanoid robot, that's crazy 🤣🤣
They can't put their wallpaper app on the robot
I mean I'm more excited for lunch than the tesla robot. We've had humanoid robots for ever.
2:38 Andrew, nice las vegas GP shirt! its so bright the camera is clipping
I've been saying y'all need to add Ellis screaming "ALLEGEDLY!!" to the sound board
’I am very happy with the amount of people who complimented David on the jacket that hes wearing cause that thing looks awesome
The studio video was awesome. Almost an hour but went by in a flash!
I think Tesla's event was unintentionally a huge hit. I think teleoperated Optimus is Cybertruck's onstage broken window equivalent, which got people talking about the Cybertruck.
It is still super impressive. They reliably walked amongst the crowd for hours. No other humanoid could handle that
40:20 Ellis is the goat for a reason
Just off the top of my head, a bus does not address: door to door transport & privacy/safety. The people who say busses are great generally don’t use them.
@sravtheshark orr alternatively--from my perspective--he's just wrong
@dannylemmon
As someone who does use busses regularly, they r pretty much door to door if implemented correctly with within walking range bus stops with good service
Also is privacy that important when u consider that they r cheaper, better on environment and can be used by people who don't have a cool 30k lying around ?
1:13:35 i’ve used that same analogy when explaining the ships on The Expanse. they’re like buildings that can launch into space and come back down. absolutely wild
Scott Manley and Everyday Astronaut are the space goats
Thoroughly enjoyed this episode
I REALLY agree with the take “why not a bus?” For the Tesla event showcase. Public transportation like buses & trains are wayyy more efficient at getting a large amount of people from point A to point B. It’d be cool to see stuff from Tesla for electric, full-self-driving buses, rather than inefficient 2 seater cars that get stuck in traffic.
because americans don’t like public transportation, they loooove their cars.
@@AdhiNarayananYR Also, when compared to other countries, a lot of people in the US do not respect the property of public spaces
In San Francisco, the majority of Waymo rides are from homes to a train station
@@goofybryson I think a lot of people feel the way you do. But let me try and persuade you. Public transportation suffers from two issues. First, it's filled with strangers with all sorts of problems (smell, noise, crime, or even just uncomfortableness). Secondly, most people aren't going from point A->B they are going from point C->D and the bus doesn't go to those places. So they have to walk or Uber to get from C->A->B->D.
Walking 15 min to a bus station (at best) then waiting up to an hour (assuming it didn't arrive early and you missed it), and then walking again to your destination.
Most of the US is spread out, and the density doesn't make a bus a viable option
If the robot can cook and go shopping, I definitely would want one - this costs so much time every day
"tell me if there's any flaws in logic with this dream: you have a car-"
well i found the flaw lol
Haha true
The most insane thing discussed in this video is the 2 hours and 40 minutes daily commute.
I feel tech podcast should make people excited about the future not criticising everything can we a bit more optimistic. I don’t think they realise how negative these lot have become in recent times. I am sure I am not the only one. We need hope for tech than just plain criticism
I think they strike a good balance. The SpaceX stuff is very exciting and they are rightly enthusiastic. Elon dropping insane promises to get his stock up is not exciting and they are rightly cynical.
Ellis is the voice in my head reacting to everything from the Tesla event
The taxi service could work in some of those newly designed cities popping up outside of metro areas. The townhouse/shopping center/park-themed places that have the self-driving taxis.
These clowns smooth brained the use cases. They could easily be geo-fenced to only support local routes. I live in a series of 4 beach communities w a LOT of oldsters who could use my 3 robotaxis (yes, I will buy them the day they’re announced) all day. 2 seats and room for groceries would be fine.
It's so cool that Scott Manley became an actual engineering youtuber
33:21 That sounds like an engineer who knows it's stupid that there's no steering wheel, but his CEO insists that there be no steering wheel
People said the same thing about the headphones jack...until it wasn't stupid anymore. You gotta remove the steering wheel for the average people to truly believe it's self driving...but he has to repeatedly show it's crash free for them to want to believe it's safe.
Just like the engineer who thought the chopsticks were impossible to do and got demoted 😂
You can't be fully autonomous if you are still building manual controls.
It's like asking your pen to be feathered because you want a quill. Or why doesn't your touchpad stylus produce ink so you can use it as a pen.
@@aerostorm_ damn, perfectly said
@@aerostorm_or making engine noises when the car is an EV… or transmission shifts….
I get the concept behind having your car drive autonomously while you're sitting at home. Relaxing or at night when you're sleeping, but you can't plan spontaneous events. What happened to the event of an emergency and you need to jump in your car and rush somewhere? What happens if you get that late night text from a certain lady telling you to come over. Now you have to stand and wait for your car to come back from wherever the hell it is in the city or order a Lyft or Uber when you have your own car.
Ellis is goated for the KSP references
Imagine waking up and seeing how many tickets your car got when you was asleep or when you was at work. Pretty big Bill to me.
no offence but you guys are overly pessimistic about anything Tesla does. A lot of the problems you guys are bringing up have extremely easy solutions and you're acting like they're huge problems.
and I'm not even that optimistic. One side of the internet is way too optimistic and the other is way to pessimistic, its just frustrating.
Agreed. They still called Cybertruck vaporware less than a month before it started shipping. FSD is not perfect, but clearly already functioning across the US. Making a smaller physical car is not a challenge for Tesla
MKBHD doesn’t seem to understand how advanced Tesla’s tech is… which is confusing for the tech YT guy.
Being REALISTIC about an event that turned out to be pretty much smoke and mirrors is reasonable. Let’s see Tesla actually adhere to their claims for once before being optimistic about the “future“ they’re trying to sell.
Elon constantly makes empty promises. He told us we would have Mars bases by now, self driving cars and a completely neutral twitter
its going to be so much fun watching MKBHD vs Tesla bulls feud !!
38:09 you’re just describing public transport lol
40:13 thank you Ellis!
@@NerdSyncProductions Do you take a bus?
Thank you! We're giving that human way too much energy
It’s the start of the weekend guys here in the UK, and of course we start it off with the brilliant WaveForm podcast.❤
Wow, 1700 on Friday afternoon in the UK! It's a late upload for this week's video version of the podcast! Great to start the weekend with chat from The Studio!
These guys have no imagination. You can’t take a bus whenever wherever you want.
You could totally own “one” cybercab, keep it within your household, leave your things in it.
They say things you don’t agree with. Immediately label it as “having no imagination” lol
You can if you live in Jersey or New York City. Those guys have 24hr underground train systems, for heaven's sake. And there's no reason that every town and city on the continent can't have as good public transit, except that most people are uninformed and would rather the government throw their tax money into the giant hole that is car infrastructure.
There are plenty of reasons, mostly financial. The cost of good public transit is very expensive, and only pays off once your network is complete. Had we invested early instead of car infra, it would have been possible. Now, there is no political will to make the swap, especially when robotaxis exist
@@thomasreese2816 An automated taxi is no different from a regular taxi in regards to how much space it takes up on the road or its heavy infrastructure needs. It will change nothing about how our society works, except that you can scroll through tiktok instead of driving. And besides, they don't really exist, and won't for a very long time.
And we did invest early in public transit. Except it was all ripped out when the automobile came along, which was an extremely costly mistake that we must now reverse.
You write as if car dependence is inevitable. It isn't.
"why two seats?!?" Because the stats show that 85% of taxi rides are single person ..... Its called unit economics
Well, fsd is already very good. 2 years doesn't sound too stupid to me. But hey we can only wait and see!
Exactly. Every few months the FSD early adopters are posting UA-cam videos showing the improvements.
More like every few days. That paired with the 20x increase in Tesla's compute means faster improvement and more focus on edge cases, now that the base challenges of driving are mostly solved
Well FSD is not good enough to get govt permission to be fully unsupervised, but I’m sure 2 more years and it will get there! I’m also sure i heard this before already
@@37racso yeah that's what I meant, but if Trump get's elected maybe a bit quicker 😅
The Rebovean had me in stitches.. 😂 What a joke!
Could've had a panel of mannequins with headphones on just voices of the crew and called it the first robot podcast
I know those thick ass fantasy books got to be Brandon Sanderson
😅 it is
With all the AI tools available and the ongoing discussions about whether they improve your skills or not, I think the focus is being missed. What makes someone a good designer isn’t simply the ability to match two images or do similar tasks. It’s the knowledge of composition, your taste, and all the subtle aspects of design. The practical part is the effort you put into bringing your vision to life.
To draw from your comparison, "Are you better at math because you can use a calculator?"-a mathematician’s challenges aren’t solved by the calculator alone. You have to figure out the right theorems and use your past experiences to approach a problem. At that point, a time-consuming but not mentally demanding task can be handled by a tool like a calculator.
The same applies to math theorems: you don’t become less capable because you don’t need to reprove the Bolzano theorem every time it’s relevant. Instead, you gain more time to focus on where you can make an actual contribution.
Sorry about the little rant 😂
love you yall but for a bunch of creative people. You lack Imagination. If this tech does work and it's a big if I'm not say it is. Similar to how we now have uber, uber eats, Airbnb, etc this technology will be a platform.
COvid 19 Taxi. Can't wait to take a ride. LOL
The complete lack of vision going on here is pretty frustrating. It won't all happen tomorrow but it will happen. It will also evolve in unexpected ways and everyone will pivot.
Why the insane amount of negativity?
Because Tesla is talking about something they know can’t happen anytime soon? And they gave themselves a ridiculous timeline to make it happen? We already saw the movies about these ideas - if that’s all Tesla wanted to show (and not any actionable products/ideas) then they’re simply late
Who cares if they are late?
@@37racso I use FSD every day. It is incredible and it is quickly accelerating towards driving better than humans. It did take them a while to get all the pieces in place. But it's here. Much like every revolutionary product Tesla promises. They turn the nearly impossible into merely late.
To be clear, I believe Elon Musk exhibits problematic behavior and could benefit from serious therapy. However, the engineering teams at Tesla and SpaceX are accomplishing some of the most remarkable feats in modern engineering. While it's uncertain how long this momentum will last, the progress toward autonomous vehicles has reached a point where their widespread adoption seems inevitable.
What will happen? If this is possible then Tesla wouldn't sell it but instead use it for themselves. Why would they sell automatic money making machines to others?
Most of the time I'm watching the pod, I'm also retouching images of cars. Generative tech has sped up my workflows quite a bit and I think the results are equal to what I used to produce without the tech.
david please go back to dressing like a tech bro i cant afford to have a crush on a podcast host i’m already insane enough
I watch that The Studio video and it was great. 🔥 Especially someone like myself thinking of becoming an online presence.