Finding Faith in Moral Orel: A Short Retrospective

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  • @rhaenyratargaryen1stofhern55
    @rhaenyratargaryen1stofhern55 Рік тому +891

    The dog was the second coming of Christ. When Orel “dies” and enters the empty church, he hears Bartholomew’s bark. It actually hit me harder than the “Love” episode.

    • @blubox2424
      @blubox2424 Рік тому +110

      Meaning Clay Puppington killed the second coming of christ 💀

    • @RogueT-Rex8468
      @RogueT-Rex8468 Рік тому +48

      @@blubox2424 technically the doc did.

    • @RozehKakes
      @RozehKakes Рік тому +55

      then clay judas'd him

    • @jacobbohl192
      @jacobbohl192 8 місяців тому

      You also hear when Orel is deciding what to call Bartholomew, that under the barking, the dog is stumblingly trying to say "Jesus Christ." The adults of Moralton wanting to kill Bartholomew because his exuberant and unconditional love threatens to undermine their own structures and sense of authority is a very cutting parallel to the asceibed reasoning for the execution of Jesus.

    • @Thefloppingtherian
      @Thefloppingtherian 5 місяців тому +1

      @@blubox2424👁️🫦👁️

  • @halfpintrr
    @halfpintrr Рік тому +745

    I have to say I love the “You’re nice!” boys. They’re adorable and wholesome.

    • @folksyoxytocin
      @folksyoxytocin Рік тому +84

      I loved the "Nothing weird goin on here!" line by orel

    • @thekivster
      @thekivster Рік тому +1

      How

    • @folksyoxytocin
      @folksyoxytocin Рік тому +30

      @@thekivster because it was hilarious and wholesome

    • @borbleborb4586
      @borbleborb4586 Рік тому +26

      it was gay as hell
      and i’m fucking here for it

  • @KayGee_yt
    @KayGee_yt Рік тому +237

    "if the Lord were alive today he would absolutely have been bullied in middle school."

  • @eagleeyedan5094
    @eagleeyedan5094 2 роки тому +564

    As someone who grew up religiously (pun intended) watching the show that Morel Orel parodies, "Davey and Goliath", this show has always had a layer of extra meaning for me

    • @viedogaems
      @viedogaems  Рік тому +58

      Davey and Goliath was a bit before my time, but I absolutely still get songs from Veggietales stuck in my head to this day.

    • @jankjackle
      @jankjackle Рік тому +53

      I think the creator has said its more of a parody of "Leave It To Beaver" than "Davey and Goliath" but the animation style is definitely reminiscent of the latter

    • @theSemiChrist
      @theSemiChrist Рік тому +12

      @@viedogaems every time I see a water buffalo I have flashbacks

    • @cashnelson2306
      @cashnelson2306 Рік тому +13

      I wonder where this rumor started. Dino has said he never watched that

    • @DocBree13
      @DocBree13 Рік тому

      I’ve been trying to remember the name of that show! Thanks!

  • @blubox2424
    @blubox2424 2 роки тому +759

    As an autistic person i immedeteatly recognized both shapey and orel as being on the spectrum in my own headcannon and i think theories based around that add alot to the psychological and societal meaning to the overall story. In considetation of the way they are neglected/abused especially within the religous space

    • @EricLeafericson
      @EricLeafericson Рік тому +57

      I was just showing this to my gf, and she commented that Orel might have been on spectrum too.

    • @XSlimSxadyX
      @XSlimSxadyX Рік тому

      It’s not a headcanon, they quite literally are autistic lol

    • @Im-BAD-at-satire
      @Im-BAD-at-satire Рік тому +27

      Being on the spectrum I've also took notice of this, I remember way back then in my childhood with this show airing at the time.
      I could relate to him in a way, I didn't receive a diagnosis until 2017 though so I wasn't even aware that autism was even a thing back in 2007 when I was age 8, my father allowed us to watch adult swim shows and allowed us to play M rated videogames; I played the first Assassin's Creed, Fable 2 and Army of Two to give an example.

    • @Im-BAD-at-satire
      @Im-BAD-at-satire Рік тому +34

      @@ChrisJFilms Autism comes in a spectrum, the condition can most definitely be less noticeable in others; showing more subtly.

    • @XSlimSxadyX
      @XSlimSxadyX Рік тому +5

      @@Im-BAD-at-satire he’s probably ADHD

  • @hermescarraro3393
    @hermescarraro3393 Рік тому +262

    I don't completely agree with your take on the depiction of Nurse Bendy, Ms. Censordoll and the Teacher.
    I do agree that they fall on the classic characterizations of the tragic female character, but I think that for the time it was a very nuanced portrayal.
    You yourself have said that s.a victims really liked the episode for its simpathetic depiction of the characters, and, to me, it does characterize them well and explains their behavior in a very good way by playing on their depictions in previous episodes.
    Censordoll's control freak nature and obsession with controlling every single thing and everyone around her to an overzealous degree is a coping mechanism because of her trauma, since she lost control of her body at such a young age, this made her become manipulative, bitter and insecure.
    Bendy internalised the opinions of everyone around her who considers her an idiot, even her brother Daniel thinks it, wich might imply some psychological abuse at home in her youth, and thus she regressed to the state she is.
    She is not a confrontational person and all she wants is for people to accept and like her for who she is, so she goes along with what everyone says and does every thing they ask, including sex.
    Later we find out that she was impregnated at a very young age, possibly 12, by a man who was probably in his 60s at the time, who groomed her with compliments, feeding on her insecurities and abandoning her after he did the deed. This influenced her lifestyle and behavior a lot, she might even have become a nurse hoping to get closer to him, wich obviously did not work out as she wanted.
    It was implied in the episode were Doey fell in love with her that the teacher is just lonely, probably for the same reasons as Bloberta.
    They are in fact very symilar, she used Doey in a symilar way and for symilar reasons as Bloberta did with Clay.
    What makes her more tragic to me is that she probaly got too close to her aggressor because of Doey in that very same episode.
    She is a lot more straight forward than the other two, but just as complex and saddening. There are women who are like her and who suffered the same thing unfortunately. The saddest thing is that if the show kept going she might have found happiness thanks to a jail guard who fell in love with her and accepted her surviving son as her own, as it was revealed that she actually had twins and aborted only one of them.
    It's also sad to know that she did the abortion on her own cause the town might have judged her and ostricised her even more than she already is...
    This a sad thing that happens in reality too, more than we like to admit.
    what makes me like this episode even more is that it was made years before the "me too movement", wich is why it was seen as off putting and too much by the executives, wich shows their double standards.
    It's fine to show rape in an adult show as long as it's for COMEDY, but when the writers point their fingers at you and make you feel shame for laughing at it in the previous episodes despite the obviously increasing realism in the series it's apparently too far.
    I see this episode as a statement, they made jokes about this stuff on purpose to make us feel bad after seeing this episode and make us all reflect afterward.
    Maybe I am seeing things that are not there, but it makes sense to me.
    Alcoolism and toxic relationships were also jokes at first, only to make them realistic and make us think about the world and ourselves and our moral standards.
    sorry for the long comment btw

    • @viedogaems
      @viedogaems  Рік тому +70

      After making the video I find myself second-guessing my own opinions from it. It just shows Moral Orel's strength as a show that it can depict things in a nuanced enough way that opinions on it can evolve.
      After more thought, I believe the reason they took on the "overplayed" traumatic tropes for many female side characters was explicitly to make much-needed commentary on them
      Also, no need to apologize; I love long comments.

    • @hermescarraro3393
      @hermescarraro3393 Рік тому +39

      @@viedogaems
      oh, well thanks.
      I am glad you liked my comment and I do agree with your opinion on the overplayed tropes and the plausible reason they used them in the show.
      Moral Orel is amazing, it not only criticised the bigoted Hypocritical nature of biblethumpers, but also the state of modern adult comedy shows by using tropes of similar parodies of the time and turning them upside down in an unconfortably realistic way.
      The creator of the show openly said that he wanted to do the opposite of what the Simpsons did, who from a sophisticated and nuanced adult comedy show that depicted very serious problems became nothing more than a crude parody of itself as the years went on.
      Moral Orel did indeed do the opposite of the Simpsons.
      Despite originaly looking like a crude parody of religion and people who believe in God, it became a show about true faith and how to find it even in the darkest of places...
      It's a beautiful message and if only it came out today it would have blossomed to its fullest potential.
      But I am kinda glad that it came out in the "wrong" time, cause it helped break the conforting edgy bubble of the spectators of those days, paving the way for more mature shows in the future.
      Unfortunatelu, there are still people who think "edgy" is the same as "adult".
      Wich is why more and more "adult comedies" are still utter garbage who tek from the worst stuff shows like the Simpson, Family Guy, American dad and newer shows like Rick and Morty introduced.
      They could have seen stuff like Moral Orel and Bojack Horseman as things to be inspired by, but instead they chose the path of lowbrow humor (a thing that Moral Orel also made fun of with the fart "lost episode")

    • @twocentsmiguel
      @twocentsmiguel Рік тому +24

      This whole comment hit the nail on the metaphorical head.

    • @hermescarraro3393
      @hermescarraro3393 Рік тому +21

      @@twocentsmiguel
      thanks.
      Sometimes I feel like I can't really debate stuff. (or maybe I am afraid of conflict)
      But I guess I can be pretty good at it if I am talking about something I really like.

  • @EricLeafericson
    @EricLeafericson Рік тому +140

    Everyone's interpretation of this show is so different. I could watch Moral Orel analysis videos covering the entire series, and get something different and valuable out of each one.
    This show has so much to say about white, evangelical, small town, Americans, and their implications of the rest of the country. We should all be talking about it more.

  • @HadalStreetlights
    @HadalStreetlights Рік тому +124

    I think you're onto something about Orel and Clay's relationships to pain, but you missed something crucial in the Clay's Bar Rant episode. A big reason for Clay's constant assault on everyone around him is as a product of his own relationship to pain as indicating his value. The other men almost fall right into his goals by hitting him, but their decision to instead just leave echoes his father's "You're not worth it."

    • @goroakechi6126
      @goroakechi6126 Рік тому +10

      Orel and Clay is weird, mainly because you’re expected to see that Clay beating Orel is his fucked-up version of him expressing he cares about his son, but there are also episodes where Clay explicitly does not want to beat Orel because he either didn’t do anything wrong or because he’s starting to like it.
      Personally, I think Clay does care about Orel (even if he’s a horrible, horrible person), but he also knows under the surface that his seeing pain as care is not healthy. It’s part of why he’s so susceptible to everyone around him, including his wife. So he does wanna make sure that Orel doesn’t like the pain like he does.

  • @Dave42069
    @Dave42069 Рік тому +446

    I'm sorry but I conpeltley disagree with the view that moral orel started off as a show mocking religion, it had always been about not parodying religion but rather parodying those who misuse it, not just that but the shows beginning is so formulaic and "basic" in nature because they wanted to mind fuck people following the show as the show would slowly devolve into a crazy mess
    Edit: Also the pilot episode was the Christmas episode adult swim didn't just sign the show cause it fit the "edgy and typical" adult swim stereotypes

    • @XSlimSxadyX
      @XSlimSxadyX Рік тому +5

      It was slow at first, but season three really fucked it up tbh, least favorite season.

    • @Dave42069
      @Dave42069 Рік тому +31

      @@XSlimSxadyX While I would disagree with you, I see your point. The tight time co sytaints definitely gave it a rushed feel

    • @XSlimSxadyX
      @XSlimSxadyX Рік тому +5

      @@Dave42069 I figured as much thanks for being respectful about it haha

    • @user-hw9zp9ev8u
      @user-hw9zp9ev8u Рік тому +4

      Have you seen Davey and Goliath? Moral Orel straight from the get go was mocking that show and it’s all religion

    • @josue7b
      @josue7b Рік тому

      Oh

  • @julealero7689
    @julealero7689 2 роки тому +125

    Really loving plenty of these moral orel analyses we r getting!

    • @shadowki5687
      @shadowki5687 2 роки тому +4

      Same, i wish the creators would remake it but i understand

  • @carlosfleuricin2959
    @carlosfleuricin2959 2 роки тому +97

    I’ve been mindlessly watching Moral Oral content but you broke this down to a T and I’m grateful to have came across your video. I’m definitely subscribing.

  • @auxiliomedesmayocallesevie1718
    @auxiliomedesmayocallesevie1718 Рік тому +20

    As a religious catholic I love this show. I related to a few things from it especially people using religion as a way to excuse their actions that are bad. I see this show as not mocking religion, but mocking the people in real life like the ones in morelton. I go to a catholic school with a religion teacher that made school hell for me and to other people. And I especially love the ending scene with older Orel because he got the ending he deserved and still kept his religion after all that he had to live thru and I find that very inspiring

  • @highjumpstudios2384
    @highjumpstudios2384 Рік тому +82

    The bit where you talked about "good things happen to you if you're good" is something in Christian circles called prosperity doctrine. One of it's core tenants being of course that if you believe in god, and are Christian enough. Nothing bad will happen to you. This flies in the face of what the Bible actually says. Adversity is everywhere. And the world will not always accept you.

  • @megy570
    @megy570 2 роки тому +32

    After watching the analysis, I’m astounded by both the quality and scarcity of people who have taken their thoughts to the comments! Excellent work!

  • @skyeguy7914
    @skyeguy7914 Рік тому +23

    Something I want to say about Orel, is something that’s a bit dark. But this show made me realize that my own father was abusive to me. This show ironically, led to the death of my own innocence as a kid. As there were a lot of cruel and unnecessary things my father often did that I never understood beyond the context of “me being a bad person who deserved punishment.” It was the point where I first realized that I was in a horrible situation that nobody should ever be in as a kid. And I sometimes wonder if the creators knew this show would have that effect on someone.

  • @dingoflowers
    @dingoflowers Рік тому +16

    i can already tell this is gonna be one of those videos i watch like every six months

  • @arthurdurham
    @arthurdurham Рік тому +39

    Apprently, Scott Adsit's (Clay's VA) sister is a devout Christian and made him quit the show bc she heard it was saying it was anti god and religion.
    She apparently didn't watch it and made the decision purely based on what she was expected and told to feel rather than created her own perspective.
    Which may be the most accurate real life depiction of something the characters of the show would do.

  • @Parzivle
    @Parzivle Рік тому +15

    I would say I love misnomer named videos but honestly you gave this show as much attention as it deserves at near speed run pace. This is one of the most comprehensive and attentive video essays I’ve seen on the subject

  • @__-tt2ot
    @__-tt2ot 2 роки тому +64

    Good Stuff man; I can't believe you could fit such a detailed retrospective in such a short time! You could have just made a two hour video that very many people would just have glossed over, instead you very cleverly found a way to get your point through in under half an hour (:

  • @j.alanbaker5550
    @j.alanbaker5550 Рік тому +8

    Insightful video! So many UA-cam essays claiming to 'review' this show merely recap it. But you've given me a deeper appreciation of the series thanks to your giving it a proper intelligent analysis.

  • @addoworkman2173
    @addoworkman2173 Рік тому +13

    I would also add that the lesson that Oral gets from Repression isn't so much about him, it's more about Clay's inability to take accountability-the mindset that he's a "good person" is directly linked to how his mother treated him and how he instilled his narcissism.

  • @ellietincan6756
    @ellietincan6756 Рік тому +19

    I was expecting a little more look at the theological symbolism in the show by the title, but this was really interesting! It's fun to see your perspective on each episode.
    One thing in particular I've always taken from the final episode, though I'm unsure how intentional, is that it's somewhat of a tie in to the very first. Coach Stopframe's reasoning for why Orel should respect his father is that despite everything, his father made him. I've always taken this to be directly connected to the "Lord's Greatest Gift" being life and somewhat using Clay as a symbol for the Father and God of the Old Testament, with Orel being the Son. In a way this also connects to the ideas expressed in Nature, specifically the non-character ones. Not only did Orel see Clay for who he was, he also saw how heartless and cruel the nature that God created can be, and the fact that life feeds on life. "I'm sorry Mr. Bear, but my dad's a jerk!" and the final scene where he's eating bacon with the bird outside always stuck with me for some reason. Anyway, I digress.
    Another thing that I've always thought was that Joe's outburst in "Orel's Movie Premier" was a way of responding to fans of the show that just saw the characters as completely flawed and/or the show as purely mocking religion and spirituality. A perfect lead up the deep humanization of the characters in Nature and Season 3.
    Again, not sure how intentional these moments are, but stuff I've thought about. I could go on and on, and to fully remember all of the things I picked up I'd have to rewatch it and take notes haha. I've seen people speculate that even the whole thing with the eggs is intentionally using the Easter related idea of the egg representing the rebirth of Christ, relating to the whole "Life" vs "Death" and Censordoll calling Clay a hunter and herself a nester. Anyway... ramble over. Thanks for the video!

  • @rose_moon1250
    @rose_moon1250 Рік тому +33

    I’m still hoping this show comes back even though it’s been discontinued for years now

  • @mac691
    @mac691 Рік тому +13

    I love Moral Orel for so many reasons, and I loved hearing you talk about it!! I loved hearing your thoughts, and the video format was great! God I want this video to blow up, it needs wayyy more views and comments. Excited I found your content!!!

  • @ClearCubess
    @ClearCubess Рік тому +14

    It’s strange with all the influx of content around the show to bring up all these weird hazy memories when I caught the show as a kid while never realizing how much there was to it.
    After watching this vid I’m inspired to go do a full watch now that I’m old enough to GET it. It’s extremely compelling both when it’s just joking around, having heartwarming moments, or depicting the bleakness of it all.
    Also I’m vibing with the inspired choice to include the Maplestory OST several times throughout

  • @FantasticGaming-pw8st
    @FantasticGaming-pw8st Рік тому +7

    I thought the ending with Orel having a happy family and still believing in religion was a really interesting way to end the series, as someone who was never particularly religious, certainly never raised that way, and later denounced religion, it was interesting to see a perspective on it where, like another retrospective on the series here on UA-cam said, the series was never about Orel learning to hate religion because it’s not a religious parody, Orel was never mad at God, it was always about the other people in the town that used their worship of God to handwave away their actions and their atrocities, thinking that if they just believed in God enough that somehow that would make it okay, they warped religion for their own selfish benefit, and as an Atheist, that message even touched me a little bit, seeing that Orel was able to find faith in something that many others in his situation surely would have assumed abandoned them, even though I could never believe that there’s one singular God being, the idea of “hate the sinner, be fine with the sin” in this specific circumstance rather than “hate the sin, love the sinner” is really interesting, something to think about anyways.
    I think also (and this is tangentially related to my previous point) that the whole “lesson” that I just inferred is totally lost on anyone who follows the religion faithfully, they won’t understand that the criticisms are likely ABOUT THEM, if 99.9% of strongly religious people resemble what was shown in the show, at least to some degree, then most of these people will assume it might be about all those other people but it’s surely not about them and the people they know, and what’s funny is that that’s kind of the psychological side of the show, much like this hypothetical person on making up, the people of the town were ignorant to the way they warped religion, you can get any faithful Christian to admit that sure, some people from their faith do bad things, but when it comes to examples like in this show where they’re committing sins, where maybe it’s morally grey, or perhaps it’s even “endorsed” by the Bible (homophobia, for instance, and in that case, I use the word “endorsed” loosely), much like the people of the show, they handwave that away.

  • @lgbtqiarights
    @lgbtqiarights Рік тому +11

    a nearly 2 hour long moral orel video? HELL YES! excited to finish!

  • @manx18045
    @manx18045 Рік тому +5

    I think the real lesson of Morel Orel is that it’s not God or religion that make the world a better place because those principles along with politics and consumerism can be corrupted and often have negative influence on humanity more than good
    but love, compassion, understanding, and trust between people that we become our best selves.
    So in a way Orel’s journey was realizing that religion is not the solution to his broken life, it can’t save his family, it can’t save his friends, it can’t save his dog, and it can’t save his love for Christina. It’s Orel. It’s Orel who cares about his brother, it’s Orel who loves Bartholomew, it’s Orel who loves Christina, It’s Orel who befriends Stephanie, It’s Orel who saves the doctor, it’s Orel saves his father even after everything he did to his son, and it’s Orel who makes friends with his father’s lover .
    Because he’s Orel and that’s just the way he is not what god tells him he is.
    Hell even his father can’t turn him against his grandpa because Orel trusts and loves Arthur as his grandfather regardless of dogma and that is what defines him and the show as a whole. Its good people that make people good. Not religion nor god

  • @elizabethmutti2548
    @elizabethmutti2548 Рік тому +9

    I’ve been loving all of the recent UA-cam content about this show. It would be so awesome if enough people could convince Dino and adult swim to make more episodes or something. Just wishful thinking lol. Love this show and great video dude

  • @phoenixv2460
    @phoenixv2460 Рік тому +14

    There seems to be a rise of interest in this show in recent years
    Btw this comment was originally posted on another well written moral orel oriented video a month prior
    (I can send you a link to the video if you want)
    Words can't describe how I felt during the course of the show
    Although Season 1 may have felt a bit basic, linear and even repetitive sometimes
    It was overall what I'd expected when going into this show for the first time(but I think you should rewatch it for reasons I'll get into later)
    But Season 2 felt like an over haul/improvement and it did a great job with introducing and bringing back various characters whilst also giving them a chance to develop in various episodes throughout the show
    And Season 3.....
    NOW THAT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE ALL TOGETHER
    But it overall gives you a completely different perspective of the characters, especially when rewatching Season 1 and sometimes even Season 2 as well
    But overall Moral orel is a breathtaking experience that I would recommend to those interested in the genre

  • @xenn
    @xenn Рік тому +2

    i love how many new moral orel analysis videos i’m seeing 💘

  • @jumaclo
    @jumaclo Рік тому +5

    Mad respect to you for going over every episode. Other videos ive seen on this show dont do that

  • @unknowncrow2004
    @unknowncrow2004 Рік тому +4

    I like to think bloberta does care for Orel, she cried after answering his question about marrying Clay so... Maybe she cares as much as a neglectful mom can

  • @Chree1s
    @Chree1s Рік тому +9

    Looking at the end credits for some, the one for close face in general is very wholesome, as it ends with Orel and Christina dancing together.

  • @businesscat8158
    @businesscat8158 Рік тому +5

    what a short talk about morel orel

  • @rylanforshaw7207
    @rylanforshaw7207 7 місяців тому

    I binge watched moral oral not even a week ago and I genuinely really enjoyed it. I love how many UA-camrs are now covering this show.

  • @cobaltprime9467
    @cobaltprime9467 Рік тому +2

    It is incredible for me as a devout Christian to dissect Moral Orel. Every episode has a theme that can be related to both history and theology. The history is the line of truth about the hypocrisy the Church and mainly church-goers have throughout history. It’s the failure of the people, not the faith, that leads to misinterpretation and outright dishonesty of the scriptures. You can actually use the Bible correctly to teach good sermons. For instance: A very minor episode had Orel praying, but he learned about Buddhist meditation and it allowed him to be more calm and focused on his communing with God. He was told it wasn’t a good thing, but in truth, prayer is a very open ended concept. It’s the personal connection with God that matters. Being on your knees with hands together isn’t mandatory. Oreo had a better communication with God than he every had because he was willing to try a different way of praying to Him.
    This series has never been to attack faith, it’s to attack the hypocrisy. This is clear in the final scene where we see Orel kept his faith and was a happy husband and father.
    You can derive meaning from every episode that relates to actual Biblical theology and even the different philosophies of great Christians throughout history. You just have to dig deep into both the show and the Bible to find them.

  • @skeletonsinscarves3965
    @skeletonsinscarves3965 2 роки тому +4

    I absolutely love these videos of looking into this show

  • @lillianprince9480
    @lillianprince9480 Рік тому +1

    this is by far one of my favorite analyses of moral orel! i really enjoyed the 5-10 second clips before each episode analysis, it really brought me back to when i was watching the show myself. something you added that not many others has is the shows take on the concept that “if jesus were alive today, he would have been crucified the same way”. this is something i’ve always had in the back of my mind while watching and i’m glad you brought it to light! i don’t usually leave comments but i thought i would share my appreciation, hope you’re doing well!!

  • @KateGladstone
    @KateGladstone Рік тому +222

    At timestamp 45:23-29, you say that the Old Testament account of Abraham’s attempted sacrifice of Isaac [Genesis 22:1-14] is “ the last we hear of Abraham in either book [the Old Testament, or the New Testament]” - from which, you conclude that his failure at God’s test means “the story’s over” for Abraham from then on.
    At the risk of being called a too-too-questioning “god-tard” like Orel’s pal Timothy, may I point out that Genesis 22:1-13 *_isn’t_* “the last we hear of Abraham in either book”? Have you forgotten about Abraham’s numerous _subsequent_ actions and experiences?
    From this point on (starting with Genesis 22:15 and extending got three whole chapters after that), Abraham …
    … /a/ gets yet _another_ angel visit before leaving the scene of the incident (Genesis 22:15-19: this is _after_ the just-previous one where a previous angel had told him to stop trying to kill Isaac),
    … /b/ gets news of numerous new additions to his brother’s family (Genesis 22:20-24),
    … /c/ has his wife Sarah die (stated to be at age 127, for what that’s worth) , and therefore quickly goes through some real-estate negotiations to buy a gravesite ASAP (Genesis 23:1-20), then …
    … /d/ successfully arranges - through some rather more complicated negotiations - a marriage (for his son Isaac) to a woman in another territory: whom, , apparently, neither of them had ever met (Genesis 24:1-67), …
    … /e/ himself takes another wife (his third, it so happens) and has six children with her (Genesis 25:1-2), … and only then, finally …
    … /f/ himself dies at age 175. (Genesis 25:7-11).
    All this can be calculated to have taken, in-narrative, about four decades - since the narrative had previously established that Abraham was ten years older than Sarah (Genesis 21:5) and her death at 127 had been _after_ Isaac’s near-death: making Abraham 137 years old at the time she died (give or take a few months, because we don’t know anybody’s birthday), and therefore making him no older than that age (in-narrative) when he tried to kill his son. So we’re talking about at least 38 years which, in-narrative, were hardly blanks. Please tell me why you summarize this as “the story [of Abraham]’s over,” and what conclusion you would have drawn instead from knowing that it wasn’t.

    • @viedogaems
      @viedogaems  Рік тому +51

      my source was a random tumblr post
      probably should've double-checked that
      Appreciate the fact-checking, though.

    • @KateGladstone
      @KateGladstone Рік тому +20

      @@viedogaems In the interests of further fact-checking: I trust that you won't mind if I point out a similarly large inexactitude (to put it gently) in your statement at timestamp 48:23-48:28 that’ “ of course the word ‘discipline’ itself is derived from an instrument is derived from an instrument used to whip one’s own back.”
      As you will easily see from facts and sources gathered at the link below, the name of that notorious instrument (christened the “disciplina” by those who instituted its use) does in fact derive from a previous (in fact, the earliest) meaning of the word: which (at first, in its long-ago Latin origins.)simply meant rom "instruction” - till, over generations, the meaning gradually shifted and shaded (the mouths of those who tortured to teach, or who were therefore tortured to make them learn) from “instruction,” to “punishment with the goal of motivating someone to comply with instruction,” to "punishment" itself. (If you think about it, this is the same semantic evolution - or devolution - that we see in the today in the English-language colloquialism "to teach someone a lesson"!)
      In other words, thename of that torture-tool (used to this day by certain religious orders) was not the earliest earliest use of the word, use of the word, but in fact was one of its latest uses (historically speaking). See got yourself, through the word’s actual previous long history, aming sources cited here:
      www.bing.com/search?q=Origin+and+derivation+of the+word+discipline&form=APIPH1&PC=APPL

    • @yuhyuh1471
      @yuhyuh1471 Рік тому +48

      @@KateGladstone bro I appreciate the academic rigor but you could be a bit more decipherable with your language

    • @flaminghotcheerios3899
      @flaminghotcheerios3899 Рік тому +38

      Bruh, this is a 8 paragraph essay on how the channel is incorrect in the comment section. Although I agree.

    • @burningwolf_9641
      @burningwolf_9641 Рік тому +7

      tl; dr

  • @FireCrewGAMING
    @FireCrewGAMING 22 години тому

    Thank you for keeping it short.

  • @andresjuancho5062
    @andresjuancho5062 2 роки тому +3

    Didn’t get into until a couple minutes in but the video so far is fucking awesome good shit man!

  • @Flower_Mom
    @Flower_Mom Рік тому +5

    Blue Eyes White Jesus was always my favorite Yu-Go-Oh card.

  • @thetalkingsharkshow
    @thetalkingsharkshow 2 роки тому +1

    This is probably the best video on moral orle it says every thi g that needs to be said while not being a 24 part video

  • @rodentdevisbetter228
    @rodentdevisbetter228 5 місяців тому +2

    " A short retrospective" Is longer than 110 minutes. A.K.A., longer than most films.

  • @manx18045
    @manx18045 Рік тому +3

    Other examples are
    Stephanie makes Putty good father and man
    Nurse Bendy makes Joe into a good son and kid
    Shapey and Block become good brothers
    And (if they hadn’t cancelled the show early) Officer Papermouth would have made Bloberta a better wife, mother, and person than Clay ever could.
    And in the episode Trust it’s Arthur who becomes the father to Orel that Clay never was and ever will be.
    Because love and trust makes us family

  • @Kelcb_
    @Kelcb_ Рік тому +3

    That opening line hooked me in immediately

  • @realofficialauthenticymrasgt
    @realofficialauthenticymrasgt Рік тому +6

    I love long retrospective’s 20mins just isn’t enough 9-10hrs is way over enough I really love them
    2:00:00 hrs is short to me lmao 🤣
    It naw I’m watching this now ❤

  • @kthevp
    @kthevp Рік тому +2

    i recently watched the entirety of moral orel because i thought it was gonna be another silly adult comedy to pirate on youtube, but i've been so pleasantly surprised by the actual running plot of this show, especially considering its cancellation and all. i wanted to say that the thing i've found to love about this show is that its not a statement against religion, its a statement against humanity and people who use "religion" as an justification for intolerance and wrong doings. moral orel isn't saying "religion is bad" its saying "people are bad", it speaks on generational trauma, the pressures of maintaining a nuclear family, and the mental downfall caused by peoples focus on the social ideal of living the american dream.
    anyways, great video! you have a very nice voice :] gg

  • @megang6304
    @megang6304 Рік тому

    I literally dont even watch this show but I still watch your videos cause they're amazing. Thanks.

  • @vaehtay
    @vaehtay Рік тому

    This is a really, really good analysis, actually; really enjoyed the video!!! It’s so cool to see everyone else’s take on the show

  • @wack9923
    @wack9923 Рік тому +2

    SHORT?! MY MAN, THIS IS A 2 HOUR VIDEO! And I like it a lot :)

  • @basicallyanything5867
    @basicallyanything5867 2 роки тому +2

    I needed this video

  • @CoolBurr
    @CoolBurr Рік тому +4

    If 1:59:08 is a Short Retrospective, I'd like to see the Long Retrospective now.

  • @snekboiboop
    @snekboiboop 2 роки тому +1

    dude, this video is great! i really enjoyed listening to all the points you make, and it's made even more impressive by how small your channel is!

    • @snekboiboop
      @snekboiboop Рік тому

      i forgot i commented! ive come back to rewatch and this video hold ups great!

  • @jackcarraway4707
    @jackcarraway4707 Рік тому +5

    I think the most refreshing thing about Moral Orel is that Orel never gave up his faith and stayed loyal to God despite everything that happened to him.

  • @TheWonkster
    @TheWonkster Рік тому +5

    Sometimes it's okay for an episode to just be funny. Also, you can't just dismiss the religious aspect of this show, it remains important throughout but the way it's important changes.

  • @KayGee_yt
    @KayGee_yt Рік тому +8

    I wonder who clay would've been without bloberta. We never see him as an adult before drinking and before her. Could he have come out okay??

    • @viedogaems
      @viedogaems  Рік тому +7

      I think as long as he stays in Moralton or a town like Moralton, he was probably doomed from the start.

    • @blacksesamecandies
      @blacksesamecandies Рік тому +9

      It makes me curious as to Clay's relationship with Stopframe. It is seemingly the only somewhat positive relationship in his life, as the sexual aspect of their relationship is only vaguely aluded to and not overtly shown. That being said, I don't think Daniel would've been as persistent or caught feels if they weren't engaged in something physical. Clay's sexuality isn't explored much, but its safe to assume he is a closeted bisexual man.
      Going back to the relationships that only hurt him, I suppose besides the sexual outlet the relationship had - there is also Daniel encouraging the alcoholism (maybe priming him for being more open to sex) and of course manipulating the situation with Bloberta to birth Shapey. Clearly Shapey adds lots of grief to Clay's life but he is very slow to put all the pieces together. Not sure if that revelation made him more into Daniel or what - as that suffering and toxic behavior may seem appealing. "Like wow, this guy must love me alot to go through all this shit to cause me grief - I'm loving this attention!"
      I wish that aspect had a tiny bit more time, as that was one of the crux issues with the Puppington family and exploring the psyches of Bloberta and Daniel would've been interesting. Hell, Shapey should've had his own episode at least.
      Anyways, despite the foundation for their relationship, Daniel seems to wake up after seeing Clay 'cheat' with Censordoll and simutanousely realize how deeply infactuated he was, slowly becoming disllusioned with Clay as the episode progressed. I think his and Orel's relationship would've been great to see more of - with Clay seething in the background or something..

    • @choosecarefully408
      @choosecarefully408 Рік тому +2

      @@viedogaems I find it amazing how in fiction, people will analyze & accept how one's society affects them, while always *excusing* the same things in real life. The difference being we dismiss the real life effects, &/or blame them on some fringe minority influence, or say that these things can't be helped.
      While analyzing how that's what's wrong with these fictional characters.
      The examples are endless. But I've yet to find One Other Human being who doesn't flee from looking at life the way they analyze these fictions in utter terror. It doesn't matter if a person thinks of their Core Beliefs _as_ beliefs, social pressures etc. They *all go into* Fight or Flight mode whenever a single aspect of them are questioned & defend All Aspects Of their core beliefs in nothing but defensive mannerisms.
      Exactly like Clay (& everyone else in Moralton).

  • @jessicapinkman-hd4bw
    @jessicapinkman-hd4bw Рік тому +2

    the darkest show ever made

  • @nxomiiig
    @nxomiiig Рік тому

    Dude idk how u only have 17k subs cause literally this video is super good like I listened to it in one go good job especially making it a long video

  • @colleenweichert3253
    @colleenweichert3253 Рік тому

    This was very nice. I like to listen to stuff like this when I get ready and it was great!

  • @InconspicuousOwl
    @InconspicuousOwl Рік тому +2

    I like the way said "Alone." lol

  • @ThePhantomSafetyPin
    @ThePhantomSafetyPin Рік тому +7

    Hey, you also taught yourself to read at a young age? I taught myself to read around 4 years old, from Sesame Street and picture books. My mom, my school, and everyone else thought I was the weird one. Fortunately, I had teachers that understood, and encouraged me, unlike poor Orel.

  • @sweatergod5386
    @sweatergod5386 Рік тому

    Thank you for using the Oblivion OST... This was a fantastic watch 😍

  • @KP-vy9ro
    @KP-vy9ro Рік тому +2

    I honestly appreciate the lack of pandering at the end of the video. You know what they say, I won't use the moral oral phrase but I will say if you can't best a quote in a situation, then use the best one you know. Robin's words hold so much weight to them as we found out how much he was suffering. I always loved this show when I was young and watching it on adult swim (I'm 34 as of this post today) as a teenager and loved it but didn't get the dijection part....yet.. With the slow killing of Orals heart and innocent nature into trying to be stamped out by adulthood (no one really gives a shit about how you feel about or percept life as a mostly human experience that causes you to numb and reject life of you or others), with it slowly trying to tear Oral down. It is amazing in encapsulating some of the worst parts of us as people with out making you feel judged, lol but yes depressing. Also one of the best ways a song ever being used in the feature of The Mountain Goats "No Children " and besides my own life I can only imagine the two parental figures of Oral being scorned and hollow in the wake of midlife existentialism and nihilism. And this is why I don't have friends anymore haha.

  • @hydropop5061
    @hydropop5061 Рік тому +3

    “A short retrospective” **two hours long**

  • @jamesainsley6846
    @jamesainsley6846 Рік тому +5

    This show needs a revive

  • @rubymunoz5927
    @rubymunoz5927 Рік тому +2

    I love how you say blobertas name

  • @lornbaker1083
    @lornbaker1083 Рік тому +5

    I think young Mr puffington is neurodivergent like me. that if you don't explain things to precisely and properly and exactly through scientific and logical means you will always leave confusion and an opportunity for misinterpretation because you did not give a direct understanding or logical response for the inquest given. All throughout my life this has gotten me in a lot of trouble with a lot of people because most people just don't like to tell the freaking truth they don't like to be honest and when you push them for it because you simply can't understand why they're trying to lie it breaks them and they lose themselves because they realize that no matter how hard they try to throw up their emotional and psychological defensive Shields you're not going to be swayed or deterred by them you're just going to keep barreling through and hammering at them until either you get the answer or they run away. For the most part I've only ever experienced people getting so flustered and pissed off and angry with me that they start screaming at me what the actual answer is because they're just too tired to try and lie or run away. Orel on the other hand everybody just runs away from him. It wasn't until the hunting trip that young Mr puffington finally had his dad break down and maybe didn't give him the answer he wanted but definitely gave him the answers he needed

  • @kylebarber1755
    @kylebarber1755 Рік тому +5

    ah yes a short analysis on moral orel just 2 hours long thats very short

  • @starlette7820
    @starlette7820 Рік тому +5

    Your theory at the beginning about why the characters and writing were so low brow (being that they were trying to weed out those who werent committed to watching or w/e) has already been debunked, as the creator of the show outright said he was inspired by the simpsons and the flanderization that the characters went through in that show, going from being the most "real" american family on tv, to being sanitized and dumbed down to a few characteristics each with nothing important to say in the show anymore. He said he wanted to do the opposite of what happened to the simpsons, so starting off with the characters being dumbed down and then slowly making them more "real" across the series.

  • @sketchessays6940
    @sketchessays6940 Рік тому +2

    I just finished listening to the audiobook version of "A Child Called It". Orel reminds me of Dave sometimes. Just...less gruesome and not so happy ending.

  • @squishypigs3010
    @squishypigs3010 Рік тому +2

    I love your voice sm

  • @otagen
    @otagen 9 днів тому

    This is my all time favourite show!!

  • @KzudemRiM
    @KzudemRiM Рік тому +1

    your description of the viewers of the show is totally true.

  • @DUKEHadToDoItToEm
    @DUKEHadToDoItToEm Рік тому +1

    "a short retrospective"
    Literally as long as sitting down and watching half the series, lul

  • @Shillabritish
    @Shillabritish 7 місяців тому

    the thumbnail is just a zoomed in screenshot of moral orel but it still forced me to click. why is this effective?

  • @connorharrell3822
    @connorharrell3822 10 місяців тому

    A “short” retrospective. That’s a joke I really love you for making this thank you

  • @mycontentisbad
    @mycontentisbad 8 місяців тому +2

    Bro there’s a chapter every two minutes😭😭😭

  • @TheKidKaizer
    @TheKidKaizer Рік тому

    Thr oblivion music just makes everything you say in this serious video sound like NPC dialog in my head when you play it.

  • @MercuryKurogane
    @MercuryKurogane 7 місяців тому

    40:19 I think this was less of Beforel Orel being planned in the works, but more due the later planning of Arthur later coming into the series after season the show hadn't had been cancelled

  • @Splonton
    @Splonton Рік тому +3

    Two hours is far too short, I need a longer retrospective 😡😡😡

  • @CadetFowler
    @CadetFowler Рік тому +1

    No worries if you don't do this often. I'm newly subscribed and here for the ride.

  • @CT9905.
    @CT9905. Рік тому +1

    When I was growing up this show was called DAVEY and GOLANTH.

  • @swansonjoe7121
    @swansonjoe7121 Рік тому +2

    "Short" is doing some fucking legwork in your title there buddy

  • @gezz5904
    @gezz5904 Рік тому +5

    I love this video and I want to subscribe… buuut I don’t like anime, so instead, I’ll leave a like and a friendly comment, telling you how much I appreciate your work. Thank you.

  • @Le-cp9tr
    @Le-cp9tr Рік тому +2

    Although I get the impression I am very politically different from you, I appreciate your analysis and enjoy it

  • @TuplinTuplin
    @TuplinTuplin 6 місяців тому

    This is fire

  • @kyliesiwa2509
    @kyliesiwa2509 Рік тому +1

    Hii, this video was rad

  • @shobbytheclown2292
    @shobbytheclown2292 Рік тому +5

    i like how it says a short retrospective and yet the video is two hours long

  • @maleexile9053
    @maleexile9053 Рік тому +1

    I also realized there's Skyrim music in the video

  • @moahammad1mohammad
    @moahammad1mohammad Рік тому

    Morel Orel is the greatest show on Adult Swim, thanks for covering this absolute coming of age masterpiece.

  • @nittonama3
    @nittonama3 2 роки тому

    Love these retrospectives!

  • @2by8mini
    @2by8mini Рік тому

    I have been watching so many videos about this show

  • @peterhernandez5377
    @peterhernandez5377 Рік тому +3

    "Short" retrospective

  • @cheeseboi588
    @cheeseboi588 Рік тому +2

    How is this in any way short? It's not even RELATIVELY short. The title is misleading.

    • @viedogaems
      @viedogaems  Рік тому +2

      Lord give me the strength to refrain from making a dick joke.

    • @cheeseboi588
      @cheeseboi588 Рік тому +1

      @@viedogaems You already failed because you just made one

  • @wndshldptnt
    @wndshldptnt Рік тому

    This video was amazing

  • @skuyrr
    @skuyrr Рік тому

    Nice vid I really liked ur insights

  • @laraschroeder5195
    @laraschroeder5195 11 місяців тому

    Clay literally killed TWO DOGS IN THIS DAMN SHOW AND NOBODY THOUGHT TO WARN ME ABOUT IT

  • @subarashiiashi3894
    @subarashiiashi3894 Рік тому +1

    I'm sorry, I'm too surprised by the usage of Touhou music to focus on how well-made this video is.