Ergon TP1 for bike cleat installation & cleat positioning: Does it Work?
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- Опубліковано 26 лип 2024
- 00:00 Important Intro
00:25 What you'll need for cleat installation and shoe positioning
01:23 Marking the 1st metatarsal and mid-point of the back of the shoe.
02:00 How we are going to test out the TP1 system
02:36 Now we resume cleat installation
06:02 Preliminary Results
06:41 Final Results after test ride
06:57 Cleat fine adjustment.
We thought we’d try out the Ergon TP1 system for attaching shimano spd cleats to cycling shoes to see if it’s an improvement over other methods. The TP1 system is also available for spd sl clats, other Shimano cleats and spd cleats, Look Keo cleat and Speedplay cleats and is used in a similar manner. We will show you how to use the TP1 cleat tool for set up cleats. in C and D below.
A. What you'll need for cleat set up:
1. Bicycle cleats
2. TP1 system with stickers (can use a pencil mark or cut a piece of tape if you rather)
3. Hex wrench
4. Pencil
5. Cleats
6. Grease
B: Marking the 1st metatarsal and mid-point of the back of the shoe.
1. Feel for the center of bony protuberance of the big toe. Place a sticker (or mark with pencil) over this point. This is the ideal position of the spinal under the under the 1st metatarsal as shown in recent literature.
2. Place a second sticker in the very center of the back of the shoe.
3. In scenario 1, we'll need another measurement to help us: You'll need to know the angle of rotation of the shoe vs the cleat (i.e., your normal stance - are the feet parallel or are the toes pointed slightly in or out from the center). This can be guessed at by dangling your feet over the edge of a stool or high chair. Or, even better, take a photo with your phone's camera. Gently move your feet up and down, feet slightly apart. Snap a photo with your phone.
C: Installing the cleats with the TP1
1. Grease the bolts and attach the cleat loosely to allow some movement of the cleat.
2. Position the fore/aft so the marker on the metatarsal of the shoe is about 2-3 mm behind the center marker of the TP1 (which marks the pedal spindle). This is the ideal position of the ball of the foot over the pedal spindle as shown in recent research: De-Mystifying the Cycling Shoe/Cleat Position: www.pedalpt.com/fit-your-own-c... If the center of the pedal spindle to far forward, you'll experience pain in the toes and may have pain also in the Achilles tendon. More than 2-3 mm back, you may experience pain in the sole of the foot.
3. Q Factor is the distance between the outside of one crank arm to the outside of the opposite crank arm and is miss quoted in most videos. This is set largely by the manufacturer based on the bottom bracket width and cranks. I usually set the cleat in the mid-point of the bottom of the shoe. With that said however: If you ride with knees narrow at the top of the stroke, move the cleats towards the outside of the shoe and the foot inwards just a mm or two. If you ride with the knees wider at the top of the stroke, move the shoe and foot inwards just a tad.
4. Finally set the angle of rotation to approximate what we saw in the photo. Place a pencil mark on the TP1 grid at the rear shoe marker and metatarsal marker.
5. Move the edge of the TP1 platform over the edge of your work bench, recheck the shoe markings and position. Firmly tighten the cleat bolts with a hex wrench so they won't move out of position when we click in and out of the pedal.
6. Repeat and install the cleat on the other shoe.
7. Go for a ride and see how they work. Make minor readjustments as needed.
8. Torque the cleat bolts to approximately 5 1/2 to 6 Nm.
D. Cleat fine adjustment. Finally, we show you how to make minor adjustments of the cleats to prevent pain/injury and increase comfort. If you experience pain in your toes and / or calves, then move the cleat slightly back. If you experience pain in the sole of the foot, move the cleat slightly forward. If you feel the toe pointed to far in, move the cleat a small amount TOWARD the big toe. If you feel the toe pointed to far out, move the cleat a small amount toward away from the big toe (toward the small toe). Do these adjustments in small increments, tighten the hex bolts and go for a test ride. Repeat until the cleat and shoe feel comfortable. Then torque to 5 - 6 Nm.
The Ergon TP1 system does a good job in cleat installation if you take a photo of foot position as shown, and work slowly but carefully. Sometimes some minor adjustments are needed and are demonstrated in the video. Whether you want to spend the money (around $22) or use other methods is a matter of choice. Ergon also makes a system for Look cleats that work in a similar manner (a video will follow).
References:
De-Mystifying the Cycling Shoe/Cleat Position: www.pedalpt.com/fit-your-own-c...
What is ‘Q Factor’, and does it make a difference? www.cyclingweekly.com/news/la... - Спорт
The way you explain things and show what you're doing is very comprehensive and easy to follow. Thanks for doing these videos
Thank you. The instructions that come with the TP-1 are far from usable and their videos left out so much, I felt compelled to show how it should be done correctly. The system does work, but only with in our video including taking a photo of your normal stance for cleat setup. Regards, Tony
@@tony10speed please keep up the good work it's definitely appreciated!
I have been riding for many years, yet every time I watch your videos I learn something new and interesting. Thanks!
You're welcome. Visit our UA-cam home site at:
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Regards and safe cycling, Tony
Great video Tony, thank you. The tips at the end are great for fine tuning.
Thanks. Use the fine tuning tips even if you use other methods to apply the cleats (of any type). Regards, Tony
Thank you for using the metric system. Great video!
I majored in chemistry and math in college so it come natural to me. And it's a whole lot easier when taking measurements or converting unit. Thanks for the compliment. Regards, Tony
Thanks Tony. I just received the TP1. Your video gives me the confidence I need to proceed. Great video !
Great. Let me know what you think and how you make out with the TP1. Safe cycling, Tony
Same here. I just ordered my TP1.
Best video on UA-cam for this !
Thank you. Also visit our UA-cam home site at:
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Regards and safe cycling, Tony
Wow !, That was interesting, I didn't know such a system existed. I have 2 new pairs of shoes to mount cleats . Thanks, going shopping. KB.
Obtain the correct TP1 for the cleat you use (SPD, Look, etc.). Let me know how it works out for you. My viewers and I would be interested. Regards, Tony
fantastic video
Thank you. Also visit our UA-cam home site at:
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Regards and safe cycling, Tony
Thanks for such a comprehensive video, very useful, I think i need to get one of the alignment tools. One question if I may what is the clamp mechanism you have fitted to your work stand, the stand looks like a parktool but the clamp looks different
The stand is a 20 year old, all metal, Park Tool Stand with a special attachment (no longer sold) to raise the bike up higher and make it easier to work on the bike without bending over. They made good parts (no pastic) in the "good old days." Thanks for asking. Regards, Tony
Thanks for removing the trial and error element.
Does a pretty good job, putting you in the right ball park. But you still may have to make some minor adjustment depending on how much your toe points inward or out. Regards, Tony
Do Ergon advise that the cleats should be installed off-centre according to one's off-bike standing stance, or do they recommend that cleats should be installed perfectly symmetrically?
As I recall, the answer is that the cleat should be installed off-center according to stance. For me, the lateral movement is so small, it never seemed to make a difference. What made more of a difference for me, since my heel kept hitting the crank arm was that I installed a 2.5 mm thick large washer (27 mm outside diameter) on the pedal spindles before installing the pedals. I had to file down the hole in the washer to fit on the spindle. Once the pedal was tightened, the washer stayed in place and my heel no longer hit the crank and my feet were a little more apart and more comfortable. I could use up to 2 washers on each pedal spindle and still have a nice tight pedal. Good question. Tony
The mark for the rear of the shoe in scenario 2 looks different from scenerio 1. Why is that?
Maybe the angle of the camera shot or possibly the sticker was not on the perfect vertical as it should be. However, it did work very well. Thanks for noticing. Regards, Tony
Are there other cleat fitting systems out there?
RAD Kit™ Rotational Adjustment Devices are used by some for cleat setup. Using computerized cameras, it's used for complete bike fit and is expensive. I, myself, have not used this setup device.
Does shoe size make a difference.
No, not from our use of the Ergon TP1. Regards, Tony
My mountain bike is broken whenever I pump it up it loses its air straight away like it’s not the pump it’s the valve and it won’t pump up it will stay flat
Is this a tubeless tire? Is the bead mounted correctly? Can you hear it leaking from the Presta or Shrader valve which may have to be replaced?
Tony Marchand it is not a tubeless tire and yes I can hear the air leaking from the presta valve
@@__d_k__5300 Try the pump on another tire. If that also fails, it's probable the pump head is not grabbing onto the Presta valve firmly. See:
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And:
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If the pump fails on just one of the tires, theirs a problem with the valve and the tube should be replaced.
Finally, it's important that the tire bead is seated correctly as you pump up the tube.
Let me know how you make out.
nice explanation with the toe direction at 7:00 always irritates me
You're Welcome. Also visit our UA-cam home site at:
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Regards and safe cycling, Tony
What is the evidence that the spindle center should be several mm behind the large toe metatarsal?
See: www.pedalpt.com/fit-your-own-cleats/
Regards, Tony
Several mm's back is becoming common practice now, particularly in Europe.