Forgiveness is not for the other person. It’s not excusing them for what they did. Forgiveness is a ‘letting go’ so they don’t have a hold on our life anymore~
It's amazing how a community of secluded nuns are so in touch with themselves in such a way as to be able to discern how the guests are completely out of touch with themselves. Gnothi seauton, and all that! Very humbling. We people of the outer world are like children: selfish, out of control and on auto-pilot. And then there is all the sincerity and love. The nuns are truly beautiful and inspirational.
An unexpected and astonishing lesson in love! These sisters are wonderful .. an so very human. And the four women represent many of us in their struggles. I admire their honesty and willingness to show themselves vulnerable and truthful as well.
It was lovely to see how their pain put them in touch with God while being with the Poor Clares. We all have baggage and are broken in different ways - but God can heal and that is what the "blessing" was all about. Even though they left, they took something beautiful with them and will remember. God bless Poor Clares for your endurance! Lord have mercy.....
One of the revelations of this journal- for me, is the consideration that the guests may have been a gift to the sisters- with their rudeness or disrespect or confusion, comes clarity about who they are as a community. Whether the guests stay or go, God has allowed this meeting of humans.
I've just watched this for the 1st time. These nuns are astonishingly worldly wise, honest and so joyous! I remember 2 of them, one being Sister Gabriel talking on This Morning during the pandemic and reducing Holly (and many others I'm sure) to tears with their calm words when we were all so terrified. They're very special souls.
this was an amazing show and the Poor Clare Nuns are 10/10 great people. Letting people into the convent in this capacity must be very interesting for them lol. I thought it was very funny and shows human condition greatly at 24:35. She comes late to her meeting, she has been late to services and other requirements or just outright skipped them multiple times. She treated what was meant to be an important spiritual journey as somewhat of a vacation, going so far as to partake in alcohol in a Convent and form a very obvious friend group. She showed me what I would consider to be very disrespectful action towards something (living with Nuns) that many other would consider sacred or at least very respected. Then, she goes to speak on how Debbie was crying, expressing her emotion, and calling it dishonest. She discussed how Debbie is too emotional then cries moments later as she has before. She goes from mad that Debbie may be faking it to resolve that she doesn't like shows of pain. Sr. Gabriel was so spot on imo. HOW HUMAN, its amazing.
How sad to hear that. I am actually uncomfortable with the whole convent living and closing off the world. Isn't the purpose of the truly religious to go out into the World and help others in need of help?
@@AnneMelb2010 Hi Annie - I was uneasy in the presence of the judgemental and authoritarian nuns - however they gave me an education above and beyond what was expected for an inner city child of a one parent family. They gave me a lifelong love of great literature too which has helped my psychological and spiritual (not religious) development - and for that I am truly grateful. A little warmth would not have gone amiss though ☀️
@@AnneMelb2010 Oh - I think I understand what you’re saying now. Well - I see cloistered nuns as performing the service of elevating humanity and its spiritual consciousness with prayers etc - much in the same way that the meditations of Buddhist monks can help the world too. But that’s just my opinion. Xx
@@rumdo5617 I understand your point of view on a spiritual sense but so much is physically needed in this world to help the poor and suffering and I would love to see religious institutions get out there and make more of presence in all communities. They need to lead the way. I'm sorry but I just think more can be done. Sorry to offend but so many religions seem to only look for money making opportunities. Wealth should not sit side by side with true faith in my very humble opinion. ❤
@@AnneMelb2010 Yes - I agree with you to an extent - but I think it’s a complicated subject. Sometimes these people can make things worse! It disappoints me that they are not always as pure of heart as I’d wish them to be. In fact, they can be cold and cruel and feel immune to criticism because they are wearing special robes or something. I guess it takes very special humans to do genuinely good work in the world. I’ve tried to do it - and I got burnt out so I don’t feel I can criticise much. Now I feel I have to protect myself from people’s neediness so as not to drown in that bottomless pit! But I can see more clearly now how much I’ve grown from my personal difficulties which I wouldn’t have done if I’d had the support I longed for - so I feel that the hardship I went through were very much a part of my spiritual journey. The world is in a dark place though and I believe we are in a spiritual war. It would be wonderfully uplifting and inspiring if these people came out to help and spoke up for humanity - but alas…. I suppose we just have to do the best we can. Best wishes.
Debbie's monstrous wall of unworthiness is framed by trauma that only Christ can heal. I can see that, I can understand that, and yet it is hard to watch when I believe none of us is worthy. Accepting that profound forgiveness, and love, and blessing is hard. We are always able to see the hinderances in others' lives more than our own: it is a two edged sword, for that clarity can help another or make us impatient and judgemental. Is this not always my own struggle? Not to mistake my clarity for God's authority; to know that He is fully aware of my errors and miraculously wants me nonetheless. I struggle with a critical spirit, and I confess it. Many times, those of us who were hurt so deeply and soldiered on in our own strength can be both the most merciful and the most critical. I need to surrender to Him as these sisters do, and I battle it in my own way. How great is the patience of Love.
So wonderful to watch them singing "Be Thou My Vision" on the first episode . Maybe a new CD of the Poor Clares will come out with some of the traditional hymns. Peace and All Good!
Wonderful documentary........4 struggling women.....as we all are.........but the Nuns are absolutely beautiful..........their intelligence, understanding, compassion, patience and love is truly inspiring..........
Someone should've explained to the blonde woman, that blessing is not the Eucharist. You don't have to be in the state of grace to receive it. It actually helps you like medicine, to strengthen you to be able to forgive. Doesn't make sense to wait until you heal to finally allow yourself the medicine. As if you have to heal first to deserve it.
@@XCarfaxAbbeyX The Eucharist. But she can have a blessing whenever, wherever. Just sitting through a mass is a blessing even if she doesn't receive the Eucharist.
Im Debi, who appeared in the program. It wasn’t as simple as you are saying. I had a crippling loss of self esteem, coupled with deep childhood trauma, a lot of which was NOT discussed on the program. I wanted to keep it private. I had reasons that were important to ME as to why I couldn’t accept a blessing. People will never understand because they’re coming from their own perspective. Finally, in my own time, I took a blessing. It was a deeply personal choice. Thank you.
@@deborahhelenphotography1870 Indeed, I don't understand. My best guess was that you don't know what a blessing is. And mistaking it with the Eucharist.
@@Shaara1 I know the difference, acutely. My family were all Catholics and I went to a catholic school as a young child. The BLESSING for me was a deeply personal matter, and I don’t expect anyone to understand my feelings. When people try to explain as me not understanding the difference, I find that offensive tbh.
It is understandable that Debbie would reject the blessing to begin with. She appears to have difficulty with commitments. It was brave to commit to the acceptance of a gift- not reward.
It isn't up to the Sisters to be therapists for crazy women. It's up to each of these women to cooperate with the rules and routines, or leave. They all should be kicked out. Enough is enough. they have disturbed the community life far too much already. Maybe next time just take in one woman at a time to stay for a short period -- on trial.
That's what I was thinking!!! Their job is to pray for people not give them therapy. Therapists are paid well for a reason. These poor sisters were welcoming and the least these women could do was try to go with the flow and learn something.
If the two women wanted a vacation then why didn't they just go away. This is the most disrespectful thing I have seen. They are just doing this to escape from their life.
The story told in The Convent was fantastic and all its participants are to be commended for their roles in the telling of it. The BBC series beautifully highlighted the different sets of values between the world within its walls and the world without. Both universes have good people but the survival skills required for the two environments are as different as war and peace. The one requires self denial 24X7 for life. The other requires coming to terms day in and day out with the priorities necessary to make it outside the Garden of Eden. The nuns would be at constant war living in the outside world just as the convent's four guests struggled through 40 days of personal wars inside the convent. Yet, strangely, Jesus is present in both existences.
The sisters had infinite patience and acceptance for these four entitled, self-absorbed prima donnas. All of them irritated me, which is why I would never be worthy of being a Poor Clare. And let me just throw in that Debbie never once mentions her other two children. They are probably in therapy now over how their mother abandoned them.
Victoria is just so self centered, selfish, disrespectful and disruptive… It affected the convent as a whole. Purposely stirring the pot. Silence is golden…
This was such an uncomfortable watch and I wonder whose brainchild it originally was. An advantage taker of the BBC, no doubt. Why on earth would nuns want to take this on, have their community lives disrupted and made uncomfortable and have to try to persuade the godless to become believers, except in one case? Despite being such wise and loving people and giving such sage advice and teaching, their visitors, supposedly grown and mature women, felt no empathy for them. They often made the sisters feel deeply uncomfortable and were downright rude and ignorant, particularly one who shall not be named, but makes herself obvious. All four behaved as if they'd been coerced into going into the convent and I can only assume their primary purpose was to 'be on the telly'!
I’m Debi, I took part in the programme. As for wanting to be on the telly ! That was not true, I had to be persuaded to be a part of it as I was worried about people say exactly what you think. None of us were coached, coerced or manipulated to do anything on the show. They just filmed us being ourselves in the community. The cameras weren’t on us all day everyday. Personally, I lost my marriage, as I was on a deep emotional journey that our marriage couldn’t cope. I had 3 awful years after that. So being accused of just chasing fame is hurtful. People really really DONT understand, they just want to say everything is fake. No !!! Not everything is fake.
These women are a pain in the arse. I am an atheist. If a religious order did me the courtesy of opening their home to me, no matter why, you can bet I would be on my best behaviour. The discourtesy is staggering
Being a nun would be so hard for for me. I doubt the would accept me. I smoke cigarettes and I would never go anywhere without my 2 cats. I have had them each since the day they born and there is no way I could ever abandon them. 😢
I'm concluding from this that emotional experiences are not more deep, meaningful, or useful than safe, unemotional, calm experiences. Euthanasia should be legal and normalized to help alter people's perceptions of the direness of their circumstances. And when you have superstitions and OCD rules, and you are extremely distressed, unhappy, and in a cycle of arguments with everyone around you who is also unhappy, it can be hard to break out of the paradigm and remember if you change the rules for what you give yourself permission to do, then you can actually be happy and help other people in meaningful ways in the physical world. Hell and torture is something people experience during their lives, so is heaven. We are all doing the best we can with the information we have to suffer less
I disagree. Forgiveness doesn't let a person off the hook instead it breaks the bond with the person so they can't yank your chain anymore. We all eventually have to answer for our sins.
Forgivness is making you bigger than the petson that hurts you there punisument comes but it will be never be at your hand you just let the hurter go and in doing so you do not become like them
What I pray for should not be a sin. God is not sin or sinful in any way. So why ask God to help you sin. Wouldn't you think God has rights as good as the one's God gave us all.? God has rights respect them an yours.
Lovely video. Wonder why the two buddies were so resistant at the convent? Kinda immature resistance to what is? Feeling of safety with more than one? Break the rules? So leave and carry on as before. Thank you.
What I don’t understand in all of this is that everyone is caught up in what is happening and that the two women “escaped” etc but the whole thing is filmed. It’s not like you have a God’s eye view of it. It’s all planned, there is a film crew following the women who snuck out which means it’s planned. It’s all staged which means a level of being contrived. Even the conversations among the nuns is actually a conversation with a film and sound crew. Masterful that they’ve done it as though it’s just happening in real life, but all of it is with a crew around so it has to be planned. I’m not sure what really is true or not since they are going for a particular type of feeling or emotion. Just wondering.
Parts of this were very interesting and the sisters are mostly lovely, however I didnt understand their intense resentment of the close friendship between the two women. I understand being upset for their rudeness but not how they feel for each other. If they found love, support and friendship together why is that not a good thing? Being good friends and bonding is not shutting others out imo. Thats how people form best friends and sisterhoods/brotherhoods. It was odd to me. I could never have gotten through life without the close relationships I have with some women in my life. Some more than others. Yes those 2 women were disrespectful and left and did other things that they may have deserved to be admonished for but caring for each other and liking one another is no sin imo and unrelated to the other behaviors.
Is there a convent that I can visit that would still allow me to smoke cigarettes and bring my 2 cats.i just want a place to visit where I can contemplate and get away from e erythromycin? Kind of like a retreat?
Finding a church to "suit u" is not the right way bcse that says u want a church that u agree with, and u are a sinner so u won't change for the better.
Sorry, but I totally agree with Angela on Debbiem (25min onwards). Debbie is disingenuous and loves wallowing in her stuff. She acts like a little girl and seems to love the feeling of that. I skip the bits with Debbie in, because it's not healthy to watch her self-indulgence. Angela's talk to Debbie at 28min is just what she needs. Hear the ghastly soap opera reaction Debbie has - absolutely dreadful.
I thought soo too ......until I had to deal with people who have been abused by narsists , its a very tricky spot to demand and to understand them too .......
The self pity made her fill the hole of feeling unwanted and it became a part of her identity. Aspects of our identity are hard to let go of. We’re seeing a pattern of long term self conditioning that is based on true pain, so I don’t think she was being disingenuous.
I disagree. Debbie felt abandoned but was able to overcome this, find someone to love and marry and raise a kid. I feel there is much deeper inner problems with the other two ladies lives.
SACRIFICE 😒 What Debbie needs to do is go back to her BABY and Husband. You need to find yourself and not in a convent. Your irresponsible and explore your sexuality outside that convent, you disruptive to everyone 😮 Your adult Women and I wonder if you both have Mental Health Issues
I didn’t LEAVE my husband and child !!! It was 6 weeks and you’ve absolutely no idea what it took to do that. I did it because I wanted to HEAL and be BETTER for THEM ! I was a broken wife and mother. I was repeating my mothers life with the trauma it caused me. You really really have no understanding. None !
@deborahhelenphotography1870 I thought your decision was strong and responsible. It was not easy for you and you tried hard until the very end. And you were doing it only for yourself but for your family too. Go you, and I hope your journey has been a peaceful one since then ❤❤❤
Finally we got part 4. They should be invited back for a progress report about their life and faith.
Forgiveness is not for the other person. It’s not excusing them for what they did. Forgiveness is a ‘letting go’ so they don’t have a hold on our life anymore~
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It's amazing how a community of secluded nuns are so in touch with themselves in such a way as to be able to discern how the guests are completely out of touch with themselves. Gnothi seauton, and all that! Very humbling. We people of the outer world are like children: selfish, out of control and on auto-pilot. And then there is all the sincerity and love. The nuns are truly beautiful and inspirational.
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An unexpected and astonishing lesson in love! These sisters are wonderful .. an so very human. And the four women represent many of us in their struggles. I admire their honesty and willingness to show themselves vulnerable and truthful as well.
It was lovely to see how their pain put them in touch with God while being with the Poor Clares. We all have baggage and are broken in different ways - but God can heal and that is what the "blessing" was all about. Even though they left, they took something beautiful with them and will remember. God bless Poor Clares for your endurance! Lord have mercy.....
One of the revelations of this journal- for me, is the consideration that the guests may have been a gift to the sisters- with their rudeness or disrespect or confusion, comes clarity about who they are as a community. Whether the guests stay or go, God has allowed this meeting of humans.
I've just watched this for the 1st time. These nuns are astonishingly worldly wise, honest and so joyous! I remember 2 of them, one being Sister Gabriel talking on This Morning during the pandemic and reducing Holly (and many others I'm sure) to tears with their calm words when we were all so terrified. They're very special souls.
So happy this final episode is now on UA-cam. Have been searching for it for years. What a beautiful ending to these ladies' visit!
this was an amazing show and the Poor Clare Nuns are 10/10 great people. Letting people into the convent in this capacity must be very interesting for them lol. I thought it was very funny and shows human condition greatly at 24:35. She comes late to her meeting, she has been late to services and other requirements or just outright skipped them multiple times. She treated what was meant to be an important spiritual journey as somewhat of a vacation, going so far as to partake in alcohol in a Convent and form a very obvious friend group. She showed me what I would consider to be very disrespectful action towards something (living with Nuns) that many other would consider sacred or at least very respected. Then, she goes to speak on how Debbie was crying, expressing her emotion, and calling it dishonest. She discussed how Debbie is too emotional then cries moments later as she has before. She goes from mad that Debbie may be faking it to resolve that she doesn't like shows of pain. Sr. Gabriel was so spot on imo. HOW HUMAN, its amazing.
glad to have finally seen this episode. simple wisdom in essence yet profound effects.
I went to Convent School. Unfortunately the nuns I encountered there were nowhere near as compassionate or insightful as the Poor Clares are here.
How sad to hear that. I am actually uncomfortable with the whole convent living and closing off the world. Isn't the purpose of the truly religious to go out into the World and help others in need of help?
@@AnneMelb2010 Hi Annie - I was uneasy in the presence of the judgemental and authoritarian nuns - however they gave me an education above and beyond what was expected for an inner city child of a one parent family. They gave me a lifelong love of great literature too which has helped my psychological and spiritual (not religious) development - and for that I am truly grateful. A little warmth would not have gone amiss though ☀️
@@AnneMelb2010 Oh - I think I understand what you’re saying now. Well - I see cloistered nuns as performing the service of elevating humanity and its spiritual consciousness with prayers etc - much in the same way that the meditations of Buddhist monks can help the world too. But that’s just my opinion. Xx
@@rumdo5617 I understand your point of view on a spiritual sense but so much is physically needed in this world to help the poor and suffering and I would love to see religious institutions get out there and make more of presence in all communities. They need to lead the way. I'm sorry but I just think more can be done. Sorry to offend but so many religions seem to only look for money making opportunities. Wealth should not sit side by side with true faith in my very humble opinion. ❤
@@AnneMelb2010 Yes - I agree with you to an extent - but I think it’s a complicated subject. Sometimes these people can make things worse! It disappoints me that they are not always as pure of heart as I’d wish them to be. In fact, they can be cold and cruel and feel immune to criticism because they are wearing special robes or something. I guess it takes very special humans to do genuinely good work in the world. I’ve tried to do it - and I got burnt out so I don’t feel I can criticise much. Now I feel I have to protect myself from people’s neediness so as not to drown in that bottomless pit! But I can see more clearly now how much I’ve grown from my personal difficulties which I wouldn’t have done if I’d had the support I longed for - so I feel that the hardship I went through were very much a part of my spiritual journey. The world is in a dark place though and I believe we are in a spiritual war. It would be wonderfully uplifting and inspiring if these people came out to help and spoke up for humanity - but alas…. I suppose we just have to do the best we can. Best wishes.
A wonderful series. Thank you.
beautiful journey!
BEAUTIFUL thank you. The Lord be with you all. 💖
Main takeaway is the nuns are adorable.
Debbie's monstrous wall of unworthiness is framed by trauma that only Christ can heal. I can see that, I can understand that, and yet it is hard to watch when I believe none of us is worthy. Accepting that profound forgiveness, and love, and blessing is hard. We are always able to see the hinderances in others' lives more than our own: it is a two edged sword, for that clarity can help another or make us impatient and judgemental. Is this not always my own struggle? Not to mistake my clarity for God's authority; to know that He is fully aware of my errors and miraculously wants me nonetheless. I struggle with a critical spirit, and I confess it. Many times, those of us who were hurt so deeply and soldiered on in our own strength can be both the most merciful and the most critical. I need to surrender to Him as these sisters do, and I battle it in my own way. How great is the patience of Love.
She's experiencing the familial demons that's have been passed down the generational line.
So wonderful to watch them singing "Be Thou My Vision" on the first episode . Maybe a new CD of the Poor Clares will come out with some of the traditional hymns. Peace and All Good!
At long last, episode 4! Thanks so much!
Wonderful insight into modern life in the world today
Final words of wisdom: "Oh! The sun is coming out! Notice the sun! That is especially for you!" Peace and All Good!
probably one of the nuns said that to the camera people
@@quinoasongs2507 Sister Gabriel said that to them (guests) at the end of the episode when they were leaving.
Thank-you 💐 God bless 🙏🏻
Wonderful documentary........4 struggling women.....as we all are.........but the Nuns are absolutely beautiful..........their intelligence, understanding, compassion, patience and love is truly inspiring..........
Thank you for sharing! Very interesting. ❤
The world is an abusive place
Thank you so much for this. Would love an update.❤️❤️❤️🙏🙏🙏🇮🇪
I cannot go with leaving a husband and child to develop a deeper spiritual life unless temporarily.
Then don't go with it? It's still happened, happening and going to continue to happen even though you don't like it. freedom of religion, mate.
It was temporary. That's the whole premise of the show.
Someone should've explained to the blonde woman, that blessing is not the Eucharist. You don't have to be in the state of grace to receive it. It actually helps you like medicine, to strengthen you to be able to forgive. Doesn't make sense to wait until you heal to finally allow yourself the medicine. As if you have to heal first to deserve it.
In Catholicism you DO need to be in a state of grace to receive.
@@XCarfaxAbbeyX
The Eucharist.
But she can have a blessing whenever, wherever. Just sitting through a mass is a blessing even if she doesn't receive the Eucharist.
Im Debi, who appeared in the program. It wasn’t as simple as you are saying. I had a crippling loss of self esteem, coupled with deep childhood trauma, a lot of which was NOT discussed on the program. I wanted to keep it private. I had reasons that were important to ME as to why I couldn’t accept a blessing. People will never understand because they’re coming from their own perspective. Finally, in my own time, I took a blessing. It was a deeply personal choice. Thank you.
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Indeed, I don't understand. My best guess was that you don't know what a blessing is. And mistaking it with the Eucharist.
@@Shaara1 I know the difference, acutely. My family were all Catholics and I went to a catholic school as a young child. The BLESSING for me was a deeply personal matter, and I don’t expect anyone to understand my feelings. When people try to explain as me not understanding the difference, I find that offensive tbh.
It is understandable that Debbie would reject the blessing to begin with. She appears to have difficulty with commitments. It was brave to commit to the acceptance of a gift- not reward.
These nuns deserve an award.
It isn't up to the Sisters to be therapists for crazy women. It's up to each of these women to cooperate with the rules and routines, or leave. They all should be kicked out. Enough is enough. they have disturbed the community life far too much already. Maybe next time just take in one woman at a time to stay for a short period -- on trial.
Very loving of you.
Mary Cahill
Your post is an example of the love of Christ?
@Janel Yes totally.
That's what I was thinking!!! Their job is to pray for people not give them therapy. Therapists are paid well for a reason. These poor sisters were welcoming and the least these women could do was try to go with the flow and learn something.
Love the Poor Clares album.
If the two women wanted a vacation then why didn't they just go away. This is the most disrespectful thing I have seen. They are just doing this to escape from their life.
dear person, you've not the slightest idea.
The story told in The Convent was fantastic and all its participants are to be commended for their roles in the telling of it. The BBC series beautifully highlighted the different sets of values between the world within its walls and the world without. Both universes have good people but the survival skills required for the two environments are as different as war and peace. The one requires self denial 24X7 for life. The other requires coming to terms day in and day out with the priorities necessary to make it outside the Garden of Eden. The nuns would be at constant war living in the outside world just as the convent's four guests struggled through 40 days of personal wars inside the convent. Yet, strangely, Jesus is present in both existences.
I wonder where they all are now
beautifull
Wow. This was so interesting.
I know this was filmed years ago, I am gutted to see the girls sneak out of the convent, very sad and disrespectful.
The sisters had infinite patience and acceptance for these four entitled, self-absorbed prima donnas. All of them irritated me, which is why I would never be worthy of being a Poor Clare. And let me just throw in that Debbie never once mentions her other two children. They are probably in therapy now over how their mother abandoned them.
Victoria is just so self centered, selfish, disrespectful and disruptive… It affected the convent as a whole. Purposely stirring the pot. Silence is golden…
This was such an uncomfortable watch and I wonder whose brainchild it originally was. An advantage taker of the BBC, no doubt. Why on earth would nuns want to take this on, have their community lives disrupted and made uncomfortable and have to try to persuade the godless to become believers, except in one case? Despite being such wise and loving people and giving such sage advice and teaching, their visitors, supposedly grown and mature women, felt no empathy for them. They often made the sisters feel deeply uncomfortable and were downright rude and ignorant, particularly one who shall not be named, but makes herself obvious. All four behaved as if they'd been coerced into going into the convent and I can only assume their primary purpose was to 'be on the telly'!
Think you've missed the whole point.
Miss Merrily
I suspect what you wrote says more about you than about them.
@Janel That's a passive aggressive comment if there was ever one.
I’m Debi, I took part in the programme. As for wanting to be on the telly ! That was not true, I had to be persuaded to be a part of it as I was worried about people say exactly what you think. None of us were coached, coerced or manipulated to do anything on the show. They just filmed us being ourselves in the community. The cameras weren’t on us all day everyday. Personally, I lost my marriage, as I was on a deep emotional journey that our marriage couldn’t cope. I had 3 awful years after that. So being accused of just chasing fame is hurtful. People really really DONT understand, they just want to say everything is fake. No !!! Not everything is fake.
I bet those nuns threw a huge party when those four girls left. 😊😅
I wanted to join the Sisterhood of the Holy Navivity in my 40s. The impediment was my debt.
Episode 4!!!!
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Vic is unbelievable...... selfish to pathological😮
These women are a pain in the arse. I am an atheist. If a religious order did me the courtesy of opening their home to me, no matter why, you can bet I would be on my best behaviour. The discourtesy is staggering
Being a nun would be so hard for for me.
I doubt the would accept me. I smoke cigarettes and I would never go anywhere without my 2 cats. I have had them each since the day they born and there is no way I could ever abandon them. 😢
Was there ever a follow up after they left the convent?
Two of these women abuse the hospitality they were shown.
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Where can I watch the previous videos? Thank you!
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@@wife97 thank you!
I can’t imagine leaving my child. I would wait until my child was an adult to become a nun
She isn't becoming a nun. She is trying to get herself healed from a terrible childhood, so that she can become a better wife and mother.
The Abyss is very wise
I'm concluding from this that emotional experiences are not more deep, meaningful, or useful than safe, unemotional, calm experiences. Euthanasia should be legal and normalized to help alter people's perceptions of the direness of their circumstances. And when you have superstitions and OCD rules, and you are extremely distressed, unhappy, and in a cycle of arguments with everyone around you who is also unhappy, it can be hard to break out of the paradigm and remember if you change the rules for what you give yourself permission to do, then you can actually be happy and help other people in meaningful ways in the physical world. Hell and torture is something people experience during their lives, so is heaven. We are all doing the best we can with the information we have to suffer less
How did they come to be there?
I think forgiveness is letting the abuser off the hook. I don’t suffer because I don’t forgive my ex. But forgiveness? Hell no!
I disagree. Forgiveness doesn't let a person off the hook instead it breaks the bond with the person so they can't yank your chain anymore. We all eventually have to answer for our sins.
Forgivness is making you bigger than the petson that hurts you there punisument comes but it will be never be at your hand you just let the hurter go and in doing so you do not become like them
What’s wrong with the world?...ME! Lord Jesus Christ have Mercy! 🌺✝️🌺
This is pure torture.
What I pray for should not be a sin. God is not sin or sinful in any way. So why ask God to help you sin. Wouldn't you think God has rights as good as the one's God gave us all.? God has rights respect them an yours.
Lovely video. Wonder why the two buddies were so resistant at the convent? Kinda immature resistance to what is? Feeling of safety with more than one? Break the rules? So leave and carry on as before. Thank you.
What type of prayer is liturgical dance?
Dance is a part of prayer in many spiritual societies.
What I don’t understand in all of this is that everyone is caught up in what is happening and that the two women “escaped” etc but the whole thing is filmed. It’s not like you have a God’s eye view of it. It’s all planned, there is a film crew following the women who snuck out which means it’s planned. It’s all staged which means a level of being contrived. Even the conversations among the nuns is actually a conversation with a film and sound crew. Masterful that they’ve done it as though it’s just happening in real life, but all of it is with a crew around so it has to be planned. I’m not sure what really is true or not since they are going for a particular type of feeling or emotion. Just wondering.
Its true any crew in there do not interfere this is an enclosed order and they opened the door as an experiment on there terms not the film crew
Victoria and Angela rude and wasting everyone’s time
Parts of this were very interesting and the sisters are mostly lovely, however I didnt understand their intense resentment of the close friendship between the two women. I understand being upset for their rudeness but not how they feel for each other. If they found love, support and friendship together why is that not a good thing? Being good friends and bonding is not shutting others out imo. Thats how people form best friends and sisterhoods/brotherhoods. It was odd to me. I could never have gotten through life without the close relationships I have with some women in my life. Some more than others. Yes those 2 women were disrespectful and left and did other things that they may have deserved to be admonished for but caring for each other and liking one another is no sin imo and unrelated to the other behaviors.
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But the girls made a promise to be part of the convent life.
@@janel342agreed.
It's energetically disruptive. The focus is a relationship with Christ and a divine non attachment to the world and others. They've missed the point.
Is there a convent that I can visit that would still allow me to smoke cigarettes and bring my 2 cats.i just want a place to visit where I can contemplate and get away from e erythromycin? Kind of like a retreat?
If the nuns don't accept you, and you like the structure, maybe it was not mentioned to be. Maybe the military would be best for you?
Finding a church to "suit u" is not the right way bcse that says u want a church that u agree with, and u are a sinner so u won't change for the better.
Sorry, but I totally agree with Angela on Debbiem (25min onwards). Debbie is disingenuous and loves wallowing in her stuff. She acts like a little girl and seems to love the feeling of that. I skip the bits with Debbie in, because it's not healthy to watch her self-indulgence. Angela's talk to Debbie at 28min is just what she needs. Hear the ghastly soap opera reaction Debbie has - absolutely dreadful.
I thought soo too ......until I had to deal with people who have been abused by narsists , its a very tricky spot to demand and to understand them too .......
The self pity made her fill the hole of feeling unwanted and it became a part of her identity. Aspects of our identity are hard to let go of. We’re seeing a pattern of long term self conditioning that is based on true pain, so I don’t think she was being disingenuous.
I disagree. Debbie felt abandoned but was able to overcome this, find someone to love and marry and raise a kid. I feel there is much deeper inner problems with the other two ladies lives.
Yep, Debbie would’ve driven me to the bottle 🤦🏻♀️
Agreed. Immediately it read as an attention grab to me. She seems to be manipulating the sisters and thats gross.
SACRIFICE 😒 What Debbie needs to do is go back to her BABY and Husband. You need to find yourself and not in a convent. Your irresponsible and explore your sexuality outside that convent, you disruptive to everyone 😮 Your adult Women and I wonder if you both have Mental Health Issues
Have you walked a mile in her shoes?
You don’t know me or my whole story so I can forgive your thoughtless comment. You really have absolutely no idea.
How could a convent accept a married woman who has left her husband and child?
She's only staying for 40 days on retreat, she hasn't left them permanently
@@emmaedwards7087 thank you for answering.
I suppose in the same spirit as Jesus of Nazareth protested at the Pharisees who were about to stone the adulteress.
I didn’t LEAVE my husband and child !!! It was 6 weeks and you’ve absolutely no idea what it took to do that. I did it because I wanted to HEAL and be BETTER for THEM ! I was a broken wife and mother. I was repeating my mothers life with the trauma it caused me. You really really have no understanding. None !
@deborahhelenphotography1870 I thought your decision was strong and responsible. It was not easy for you and you tried hard until the very end. And you were doing it only for yourself but for your family too. Go you, and I hope your journey has been a peaceful one since then ❤❤❤
its unfortunite the volume of this video is so low I CANNOT HEAR IT, ON THIS 4TH EPISODE.
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Goa?
I thought sisters are allowed to have a spouse & outside life