Stephen Porges - Polyvagal Theory: how your body makes the decision
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- Опубліковано 27 тра 2016
- Prof. Stephen Porges, the originator of the polyvagal theory illustrates his scientific approach in a conversation with Dr. Gunther Schmidt. They discuss the evolutionary emergence of the polyvagal system, name implications for psychotherapy and give hints for the understanding of psychological trauma.
In the video, Prof. Stephen Porges briefly summarizes his work. Elaborate illustration can be found on his website.
Prof. Stephen Porges website:
www.stephenporges.com
Milton Erickson Insitut Rottweil website:
www.meg-rottweil.de
When I was 6 years old, my absent father burst in the house, drunk, and beat up my mother. I slept on a cot in the living room, so I saw him beating her and saw her bleeding and crying. I wanted to get up and stop him, but I was paralyzed. I have hated myself my entire life for not protecting my mother. This helps me to understand that it was not my fault and that i was powerless to stop him. Thank you for this video.
The prosody in his voice, the wisdom in his theory are healing to disregulated nervous systems. We are not broken, our bodies were programmed to protect in all the states. Deep gratitude🙏 to Dr. Porges.
Brilliant!! This explains why victims of domestic violence are frozen and it is very difficult to leave. I was paralyzed for 14 years. Wow. I wonder how many others are like me?? Misdiagnosed as Bipolar and on tons of psych meds that never worked, until I almost died of cancer, and then everyone figured out about the CPTSD. I am now on zero meds and I am still here. I went no contact with all Dark Triad Narc family members and I am finally really living an authentic life where I get to make choices and don't have to explain myself and I am walking on cloud nine! I wish I had known this 30 years ago!!
We must come from thensame family, good for you.
Great work, keep it on
Here, similar history
Shae, the problem with that is that all siblings grew up in same family dysfunction. How do you know one of them is not ahead of you in your journey of doing the work? Just saying, often we see our family as they were in childhood. Instead of talking it out with them, we walk away. Others could be a sufferer as well. I understand you may not want to jeopardize your well being, but if you are now healthy, you could maybe share that with them so that they may be able to get the help or encouragement from you.
very proud of myself that I understood all of what you're saying.
the interviewer is so synchronized to the interviewee that when one says the word "positive" he does a "thumbs up", simultaneously. just beautiful to see! beautiful interview!
This should be taught instead of aritmathics to our first-grades! It's a basis for developing social skills and building healthy life for ourselves! Thank you Stephen :)
If only parents would not traumatize children and protect from predators first, then this could be a follow-up. But yes of course school would be great
@@pinksalt1057 You are sooo right !
do u think first graders could grasp this content? maybe this might help middle schoolers and high schoolers
I am a abuse survivor and this makes so much sense now.... I never knew! Wow.... Thank you for giving me hope!
Great video!
Steve's most valuable contribution to various kinds of therapy is that patients can shift from a pejorative attitude (as he says, "I didn't fight when I should have!") towards a constructive, benevolent perspective (the reaction of the autonomic system during the traumatic experience wasn't a failure, it was rather a biologically necessary reaction to the situation).
That's why I never speak of "PTSD", I simply speak of "PTS", meaning the "smoke detector" does work, but after the traumatic experience it reacts to a smoking cigarette, it reacts to an open pack of cigarettes, to a lighter on the table etc.
A healthy system in a slightly exaggerated mode.
🎯💯🙏
Great interview and beautiful explanation from Stephen Porges about his theory. It gives you a great understanding that sometimes our body is reacting on an instinctual basis and that this is a competence and not a flaw. I highly recommend to everyone to watch this interview and make peace with some of the situations that you encountered in your past and that you are maybe blaming yourself conciously or unconciously for. In some situations you don't have a choice, your body makes it for you in order to keep you alive. So, stay mindful and respect your bodys wisdom. This should be mandatory teaching in every school. It would save us from much grief and pain.
We are working at it in schools - have a look at AISCHU
Also I learned why we may disrespect the body later.
@@verakaltwasser9277 what country?
Dr. Porges. Thank you for the work you do. Your work has been instrumental in my understanding of PTSD and working with clients who have anxiety disorders.
Great interview. Gentle, clear and inviting to continue the learning process. Thank you Gunther and Stephen for offering such helpful insight.
I like Porges a lot and what he says
makes sense. I think to discount culture's role in how we react to abuse is a little dangerous though. As a female who has seen abuse in my life and others around me, I think how we respond in these situations is at least for most women learned. Changing how we raise girls (assuming society will continue to resist change) will solve a big problem for at least most women out there. in the West and a lot of agricultural societies girls are taught to not cause a fuss - we're indoctrinated into this behavior. That's a problem that I think will be ignored if we don't allow the nuance that is inherent to his discussion.
Thank you so much for posting this video. Wonderful. Much appreciated. I have been following both, Dr. Schmidt's and Stephen Porges' work and this is great! Summed it up so wonderfully in only 10 minutes... Appreciate how your body has helped you survive!
this man definitly changed the game
Thank you Stephen for another patient and loving review of the essence of your work.Love Bhaven
Some animals do the freeze thing, and we call it playing dead as it may save their life.
But you would agree that that adaptation is only healthy sometimes, and only briefly.
Dr Porges's work is outstanding.
Software engineer explains "neuro-competence" - "It's not a bug, it's a feature" ;-)
Die Polyvagaltheorie ist meiner Meinung nach einer der bahnbrechensten Erkenntnisse in der bisherigen Menschheitsgeschichte und die wichtigste Grundlage, wenn es um Traumata geht. Vielen Dank an Dr. Stephen Porges für diese wertvolle Arbeit. 🙏🍀
I don't think I could truly heal without knowing this valuable information. Thank you.
Wow! Genius. I will watch this one again and again for deeper understanding.
Im here from your interview w Dr. Drew, wanted to learn more from you fascinating
Great interview, thank you Prof. Porges & Dr Schmidt
I'm surprised to hear that the 'immobilization' response was something that had not been observed or acknowledged until now. Probably 10 years ago or more I recall making that realization myself as result of self-observation of being an anxious person who has had a number of panic attacks in my 60 years of living....in other words, living with a very activated sympathetic nervous system. Anyway, it occurred to me about 10 years ago that there was a third response (which Dr. Porges is calling immobilization)...I called it 'freeze' as in 'Fight, Flight or Freeze'. It was pretty obvious to me and I remember wondering at that time why it was never included as a third response.......I guess I should have written a book!!! LOL.
very wise of you
Darwin described it when he wrote about stress responses in animals and when he compared it to people's responses, so it's been around as early as 1800s if not even earlier. It's just unbelievable that "therapists" say they have no idea what it is or haven't studied it.
@Fyodor Dosteyevski That is not what "dissociation" is.
Thank you Dr. Porges for giving us this profound fundamental shift in our understanding of trauma.
What profound wisdom. Thank you for this helpful and inspiring interview.
"Appropriate reaction to another context". Perfect phrasing. 7:50
Danke für dieses Video. Kann ich nur bestätigen. Wenn man, wie ich, mit Somatic Experiencing und NARM arbeitet, dann gehört die Polyvagaltheorie zu den Grundlagen. Habe Ihren Kanal sofort abonniert!
Loved this discussion. Many thanks to both of you gentlemen🌹🌻
I wish Stephen could be my therapist hahaha thank God I found this i am going to look way more into this it explains alot about the nurological effects of my cptsd.
Thank you for uploading.
Absolutely great video
thanks you! I love the combination between polyvagal theory and systemic psychotherapy..thats my way of the end of Suffering and healing that now I can help others as a therapist
I wonder if systemic therapy would work when you're dealing with (at least) one NPD within a group. Interesting approach, thanks for mentioning it!
10:01 the neuro-regulation below the diaphragm has been recruited for defense and not for homeostasis; hence why so many digestive issues in people who go into the freeze/fawn trauma response, rather than fight/flight; not that fight/flight is kind to the body long term.
best video ever about the real core of health issues!
Thanks for the upload
Extraordinary!
Thank you
in my mind the next nomination for the nobel prize yet
Thank you so much 🙏❤️
While I enjoyed the brief video, there was little or no explanation of the vagus nerve and how it
is distributed from the brain stem to numerous areas of the body. I find his explanations quite
plausible - but understanding the pathways of the vagus nerve is a key to following the theory.
Look up the locations in the body where the vagus nerve projects and how many areas of the
body are directly impacted - in an almost instantaneous manner. By tracing the projections,
the theory and input structures make more sense. I also enjoyed his calm manner but the
neural underpinnings and how they affect the feedback mechanisms to the brain are key.
hence the value of continuing to look. it's an introduction to the basics of the theory. this video is valuable for people without a science background--pique their interest, get away from self-blame and move toward self-understanding.
Our emotions are the triggers, we need to learn how to respond.
Super video, helped me to understand my Phantom limb pain.
Paul Houghton , read about the work of V.S. Ramachandran, M.D., in treating phantom limb pain. It's phenomenal stuff.
@@bobtaylor170 what does it say about the topic?
Great interview
Fantastic information.
Fascinating!!
Life changing ☺️
Can we have more of such topic, please? Very informative, thank you! 🙏❤
great.... been studying the absence of studies of this state in the more traditional focus on fight and flight in trauma
highlights very fast decision for understanding protection of self
If Freud would have been alive today he would have wholeheartedly congratulate you in your findings Dr. Porges.
Well, you have a very positive vision of Freud.
Freud was not very friendly towards Carl Jung when he decided to think by himself. It is only to give an example.
So to me, if Freud where still alive he would be feel threatened by the polivagal theory because it show some incosintences on freulian psychology
Good upload ... are there any resources in German language? Wikipedia does not even have an entry in German language about the Polyvegal theory.
Thank you sincerely for your interest,
for deeper examination of the topic please see Stephen Porges website:
stephenporges.com/index.php/scientific-articles/scientific-articles/publicationss
Furthermore, there's the option to read his book, which has been translated into German: "Die Polyvagal-Theorie: Neurophysiologische Grundlagen der Therapie. Emotionen, Bindung, Kommunikation & ihre Entstehung."
Best regards,
M.E.G. Rottweil
Oh wow, thank you for your work and dedication to sharing! UA-cam, Podcasts, and open minded professionals are such a blessing. I used to struggle with Dr. Moshé Feldenkrais's original writings, since I could not follow any references. But nowadays it's so easy to get first hand information. Most professions opened up to sharing in public. This is a milestone for the human race.
Just today I told a client about Stephen Porges. I have been working with this client for 3 sessions and she made more progress than in the last 10 years of various therapies. The Polyvagal Theory really helped explaining to her what went on in her Feldenkrais Functional Integration sessions. For her career she became a music teacher and finally there was an explanation why symptoms decrease while she is singing. The book you looked up for me, unfortunately, seems to be the only book in German language about the Polyvagal theory, and it is written for well motivated professionals, nothing I could lend out to clients.
Feldenkrais with Alfons : "Verkörperter Schrecken" von Bessel van der Kolk geht auch sehr gut auf die Polyvagal Theorie und Traumaspuren in Körper und Geist ein. Sehr schönes Buch, das ich nur empfehlen kann.
We don't really have an evolutionary pattern so much as we have a very ancient history of energetic tinkering and forced changes on the human body. If you ask yourself what energetically creates the autonomic and condition of the autonomic system we now are getting nearer the drivers of psychological and physical conditions, in other words the chakra system (not the western accepted version). This is the processing driver of the nervous system via the brain. If you try and resolve issues from the nervous system alone you are missing the point entirely.
When you have trauma the nervous system will not allow anything past your ears or eyes, speaking from experience. This has been a tremendous opportunity for learning. The body signals the brain 80% of the time and only 20% opposite so the body needs to feel safe to tell the brain to listen to anything, anything else is just noises literally. While you are watch a trauma movie in your mind.
This is so important. I’m one of many women who froze during rape and blamed themselves for not fighting more.
Couldn't this be summarized as getting in touch with your gut responses?
No, Professor Porges said what it can be summarized as.
10:49
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Fight Or Flight - or Freeze (= "Immobilisation" here, yes?). Now I wonder what the range of "fight" responses are... Could these also include violence, eg sexual violence?
The only problem is: there is no evidence supporting the theory. The physiological assumptions seem to be wrong.
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