stain has openly tried to kill heroes because they more often than not do it for money......but I still hear people defending......a serial killer.......huhhhh
I think Stain’s philosophy was more like you’re not a real hero if you only do it for money and fame, but he still took it to far by murdering and crippling heroes.
It’s like you understand his motives but it does not justify his actions I mean he was correct on some level I mean look at Endeavour before he decided to get his act together.
Actually most heroes did not do it for just money & fame.... They actually wanted to help people.... Stains philosophy is odd because he killed anyone that got paid for being a hero
@@idowufeyisope5286 We didn’t really see enough of the corruption in hero society for us to really say that most heroes were prioritizing saving people over money.
@@guhbruhmaste4557 thing is that the artist who drew that infamous pic of Captain America is a really amazing artist his problem is that he likes to visually story tell so out of context it looks weird but it looks alittle better in context
@@Strawberrymilkdrink Nah. Rob Liefeld has and always has been a pretty bad artist. If you’ve seen his work since 2011 onward, it hasn’t improved one bit. Like, the dude is still a big deal in the industry, but he’s an awful artist.
Yeah Stain was one of those villains where you bought into the hype because of his introduction but the moment you stop and think about it he was just crazy, which maybe that was supposed to be the point. I always said Stain's philosophy never made sense in MHA considering that his two known victims to the audience were glorified civil servants and one found meaning in the job because it gave kids hope. Stain's character would've made more sense in a Series like OPM or "I quit being a hero long ago", because in those series most of the heros were only in it for the fame even going so far as to keep newbie heros down and even faking crimes for publicity.
Thank you!!! Tons of heroes in opm are glory hogging dicks so his ideology would make perfect sense there. If we'd been shown more cases of heroes in mh being dirty and corrupt he'd make sense but all we get are generally good dudes that want to make a living and help others
I think his main motivation for his mentality was on a smaller scale because in a way what he's saying trickles down to all facets of life, school, work, interactions with people. People be fake but he went too far in terms of acknowledging it and wanting to do something about it. He figured fear would allow people to be more genuine about what their doing, if they wanna be villains or if they wanna be celebrities. In a way kinda like if he were to say "if you wanna be famous if you want power do that but don't call yourself a hero because people including me are counting on you guys" ofc some had to fall that weren't part of that demographic but at the same time it makes you think damn the good ones went down so I gotta be extra good. Anybody can get it. I agree w yall bout him being more plausible in OPM but I feel like if mha gave him more screentime we would have the same insight we have after seeing shigaraki story. Low-key, stain fighting for the ones like shigaraki, someone who needed help but didn't get it just cause there's "bigger things going on". Anyone coulda been a hero and saved him, shigaraki said so himself, but no one did because everyone going after image, going after the money, going after the glory. Even tho all might makes his money, he was already spending every minute he could doing absolutely anything at all, yea he saved Hella people and did Hella great stuff, but it was his methodology behind it, the I'm gonna save everybody even if it puts me down mentality. And then you got heroes like Endeavor pre season 4/5, mount lady in some cases, and even some of the students like mina, mineta, Kaminari, I would like to argue even for some time bakugo or shoto, they are not the same as all might, kamui woods and students like deku, kirishima, uraraka and with the exception of the stain arc, Ida. They all are of the hero course, but there are differences. Stain wanted to reduce those differences in the same demographic by fear Kinda like if I said ima kill as many businessmen if I can cuz all of them are selfish and inconsiderate and I go after some. Not all business men are evil, but there are some at the top who would step on those under him to get there and those who are willing to take all the hits and be rewarded for their drive and will to serve Just my two cents I honestly love these kinds of discussions shout out to classic
I put Stain into the same category as characters like Onomatopoeia. Sure their philosophy is different but they're characters who just ruin the lives of people who're just trying to do good. SADISTICALLY. WITH KNIVES. Personally those are my least favorite types of villains because some people say they're perfectly written but I say it's just villains who only make you hate them and overstay their welcome.
Oh no the quirk works it's is snot useful against dudes like shigaraki or any mid or higher tier villain. Against lower tier guys being blasted by the force of a fire hose could do some damage
That's when you get the gear heads to craft some gadgets for ya! Just tell Mei to give the dude who shoots water from his hands, a device that pressurizes the water, so he can put out piercing streams.
@@Mike_Dubo You aren't wrong, that'd really solve his problem of not being a fighter and would probably make rescue work easier too. Cutting a giant object in half to create a path using water jets would be useful in rescuing people not trapped in fires.
I feel like Stain was designed to be written couple ways 1. A guy who targets corrupt heroes, but do to Horikoshi still being a relatively novice writer just messed up 2. A guy who targets corrupt heroes but doesn’t really know who is or isn’t corrupt so he targets people he deems corrupt with the little knowledge he has 3. He is just an insane guy that kills people but justifies it to himself as killing corrupt heroes 4. I think this is the most likely judging from the Vigilante series and Stendhal. Stain once upon a time targeted corrupt heroes but similar to the reason why batman refuses to kill anyone, it became easier and easier for him to do so over what would be considered lesser crimes. For example Once a hero may be deemed a fake because his actions directly led to the death of innocent bystanders, later a hero is deemed a fake because when responding to a scene the villain killed someone therefore failing their duty. As for why Iida is considered a fake is because he gave into the desire for revenge making him flawed there for a fake. Inevitably the point is while Stain is right about there being Fake Heroes in society he is still an insane man who uses his circumstances to do what he wants. He is honestly no different from Toga in that sense
He never had anything to do with corruption, only with his fsnatism. That corruption thing is a fanon thing people invented to try and turn the guy who tried to kill literal children in an alley into a paragon of some sorts. Corruption does appear in the series, but Stain had nothing to do with it and the ones fighting against it were still the good guys and the Hero Comision
He might've had a better leg to stand on if he actually killed and exposed corrupt heroes. (Spoilers if you don't read it) Like Lady nagant who did dirty jobs, taking dirty money, and killing when crimes have not been committed yet. But even then, it was really work that needed to be done. Lady nagant was a hero in her own way.
@@themarinefan I always say that if their were more heroes like the ones in opm it'd make sense, the tank top tiger dudes are total pricks, fubuki went around beating up lower rank heroes to keep her place, et cetera. But from what we've seen every hero in mh are complete saints that also want to make a living helping/saving others with their gifts
One bit that baffles me is that he has no problem murdering teenagers who try playing hero. Nevermind the fact they're still learning how to BE heroes. His whole philosophy is just an excuse to torture and kill people he doesn't like.
Exaclty that's what i though he is mentally unwell even if he fight ferociously has a striaght motives he has not done enough research that even they are heroes they are still people into desire like him
"Learning to be Heroes" would definitely put them on his hit list. Stain hates "Heroes" as an institution. And how were the heroes learning? From "The poisoned and corrupt institution" in his mind. It is an ideology that exist today in the Modern world were people actually subscribe to it. Where a corrupt an institution has to ripped out by the roots.
This man spitting facts, I wish that Stain only went after corrupt heroes. People who used their fame for profit, self-promotion, and status. Cause by his logic, Stain should be going after Endeavor and Bakugo.
To be honest, I'd say all heroes would be immune. As bad as less than morally sound heroes like Endeavour, Mount Lady and Bakugou are, they do still care about being a hero and tend to put any issues they have aside when carrying out missions. The only hero I can think of truly using their fame for profit is Uwabami because she took on Momo and Itsuka as interns solely to star in adverts for her products. Also I feel it's a bit extreme putting Bakugou down to be killed when he's still just a teenager. Edit: Just adding this on but if Stain did only kill heroes in it for money and fame, wouldn't that mean he'd try targeting Uraraka cuz she's admitted to wanting to be a hero to get money for her family?
Stain just gave an excuse for villains to do crazy shit like Dabi, my man really just used it as an excuse to get his fathers head on a plate even though he saw him grew as a person but he became more deranged because now his father got his redemption and because of it he doesn't have any purpose anymore, he just uses Stains "philosophy" as an excuse to kill him🙄.
At first I kinda understood stains physiology but I also understood it was flawed. Uraraka said she wanted to become a hero to make money so her parents could live a easier life and according to Stain, heroes who are heroes for fame and money are fake and corrupted. If Stain met Uraraka, he would have killed her for being a 'fake' hero. Sure Uraraka is a hero for the money but it's not for her, she is a hero for a bad reason with good intentions. The difference between Stain and Dabi is that Stain believes there are good heroes while Dabi, who was actually Touya Todoroki, was abused and used by his father, Endeavor, who was a hero. He believes he is a fake and the other hero's are fake. In my opinion, Stain and Dabi could have been written better if they were both vigilantes, morally grey between the heroes and villains.
@@malloribailey9511Stain got into a fight with All Might out of anger over All Might’s forced retirement. He’s just a psycho who thinks he knows right from wrong just cuz he at least understands ONE of the wrongs
Only in the game and glory aspect since that is what the show is. The corruption angle would be like a second thing indirectly because Stain never cares about corruption as what many believe. Just that héroes shouldn't be anything but altruistic and even then not being fully commited to that idea because people that were altruistic were attacked by him because they weren't All Might
He said Ida wasn't a hero because instead of saving the person stain was about to kill he instead attacked stain and did not give a singel fuck about the hero who was about to get sent to the shadow realm
That's just being human you will care more about taking out the dude that crippled and nearly killed your brother before some stranger you don't know and taking out stain would've saved that guy
Whatever you say, dude. Now try and justify Stain crippling Iida's brother. Tensei is a great hero, and an even better person. So now try to justify what Stain did to him. I'll wait.
Tbf i think subduing a known hero hunter is safer than trying to escort someone wounded to safety. You stop the gunman before he can shoot you before help civilians
Everyone in the comments really just trying to prove you right, huh? Making constant excuses for Stain and being all "Um. Ackshually" Sorry to say folks, but Stain even compromised his own morals and was going to kill Deku toward the end of their fight because he was gonna get stopped. Man got in one bad scrap with a teenager he deemed worthy and said "Fuck it, he gotta die."
I realize that because this is his channel more people and inherently going to side with him, but the people presenting counter arguments are actually in the right here. Stain's philosophy is morally wrong, but to say it doesn't make sense (ironically) doesn't make sense. Hell, even Deku says later on when he's talking to Shigaraki that while he finds what Stain does unforgivable that he at least *understands* it. Ya'll treating this man like Batman as if he can do/say no wrong. He does miss the mark sometimes lol. (Not throwing shade, we all do.)
@@killervee3290 Just because the show/manga itself tries to agree with him on a moral level, does not mean that he's right. Because, fun fact, Uraraka is not a hero by these standards! She's in it for the money! She said so herself! If the hero work didn't pay, she would never have become a hero! The character that's likely to end up with the main character *is not a true hero by the logic of the show if what you are saying is true.* The logic fails at the jump. "If you do your job for anything other than to help people, you are morally bankrupt/a bad person" and that's just false. We'd have far less doctors in the world, as addressed in this video, if it didn't *pay well.* Cause it is an emotionally and mentally taxing job that many people wouldn't want to do without a good reason. Same for hero work. Stain couldn't even stick to his own morals, he gave up the moment he felt he was in danger. Killing for the sake of killing, not justice.
You already proved you weren’t really paying attention because you’re first sentence is wrong. The show doesn’t try to prove that he’s morally correct. They say the opposite. And there’s a very clear difference between someone like Uraraka wanting money to provide for her family and heroes just being heroes for fame and greed. You know that.
@@killervee3290 Notice how you ignored the "if what you are saying is true" part of my sentence, huh? The show doesn't agree with Stains method, but it does try to at least show the logic and reason in his actions via the "you should be a hero for the sake of being a hero, nothing more." Or "being a hero should come before everything else in your life." And he absolutely *did* give up and start trying to kill for the sake of furthering his goals. He tried to kill Deku and Todo *actively* one of which he found worthy and didn't want to kill, but abandoned his philosophy for the sake of not being jailed. And she still became a hero for money and fame, she didn't become a hero to help people, she literally *didn't want to tell anyone* because she realizes how bad that sounds. She became a hero for fame and money, for a selfless reason, sure, but she didn't do it for the sake of being a hero. Stain would kill Uraraka no hesitation.
The biggest criticism against stain is that he Cripples Iidas brother who WAS a true hero. And yet doesn't recognize all might when he meets him in the manga.
Whatever points the dude did have, he lost it for his response to a kid being controlled by emotions was not to let him grow and learn from that mistake, but rather to kill him. And don't even get me started on Spinner. Dude was gonna merc pixie bob because she was happy?
To all those saying that Iida should have run away with Native (the injured hero), keep in mind, Stain beat Iida's older brother, who was, mind you, stronger, faster and more experienced than Iida, so he probably thought that, if he tried to run away, Stain would have easily caught up to and killed him because he is simply not enough to escape, especially while lugging around an injured, unconscious grown man.
But Iida's brother wasn't trying to run away, he was fighting Stain. I'm not tryingto disagree with you, I'm just pointing out that if Iida had picked up Native and ran away, he would've been able to put a huge distance between him and Stain in a matter of seconds, considering how fast we've seen him move.
In theory, Stain should have been the kind of guy to go only after corrupt pro-heroes, however because of how heroes are embedded in MHA's society in general, his list of potential targets ends being larger than the USA's national debt: - If you became a hero because it is a well-paying job, you're on his list - If you became a hero and as a result did a bunch of sponsored advertising, you're on his list - If you became a hero because you wanted fame and glory, you are on his list - If you became a hero just because it was a family tradition, you would be on his list The first category alone would put Uraraka and probably 40% of all the licensed heroes running around in his sights. He appears even more psychotic because most MHA heroes are decent people, plus not even Bakugou or Endeavour are on the same level as 80% of Vought's "heroes", especially Homelander (The Boys) As for Ida, it's important to remember that Stain believes the top priority of a hero is to save others, yet Ida was so focused on getting revenge that he forgot that Mr. Native was there and bleeding out. If Iida had turned tail and focused on getting Native out, Stain may have given him a pass but Iida understandably did not want to take the risk.
Now that you mention it, I think Stains hypocrisy comes off a bit less acceptable for the reader, than the author may have wanted. I get what he was going for- heroes shouldn’t save peoples lives like it’s delivering food or something. There shouldn’t be a price tag on human beings. But I don’t think most of the heroes in the story are like that….at least it’s not shown often enough. Idk But I’m 100% with you on the Shigaraki thing. How is a guy with over sized eyebrows or an extra ear going to stop someone on All For Ones level? Without extra quirks being shoved into them or steroid drugs? It AINT happening. Not everyone can be super special protagonist kid. Fire Hydrant man needs to collect his benefits and bounce
Plus what about characters like Uraraka who are in it for the money but that's because she's desperately trying to support her family? Having Stain meet Uraraka would've been a genuinely good story telling moment that puts his ideals at a crossroad and forces them to be examined....
My understanding of Stain's philosophy is that to be a true hero is to be a selfless person doing it solely for the sake of helping others. During the fight Deku solely was focused on getting his friends out, not beating Stain, holding a grudge, or trying to inact revenge like Ida was. Deku strictly was trying to just save lives just like All Might. Even in All Might's case, yes he is indirectly getting money by being a teacher, having merch and all that but he is genuinely trying to make the world a better place and is an idol of society that people should look towards. Many other heroes are just doing it because it's a job, or they feel they can't do anything else or pay bills, so that does in fact lose the noble aspect of it. Like for your doctor analogy, yes they can be considered heroes and save lives but you will receive DRAMATICALLY different treatment from a doctor who is in it specifically to try to help people get to better health, than a doctor who will subscribe medicine, tests and treatments specifically because that doctor can make a profit off of it and keep you coming back again and again or even worse, downplay your symptoms and not listen to their patient because that doctor is checked out of their job and just going through the motions. Those kinds of people are who Stain is going after and of course him going to the extent of killing them is too far, and is also the point of his character. Stain is an extremist that does have a point, but has used that fair argument to cover up all of his wrongdoings for the sake of that valid point, which makes him a hypocrite, just like the fake heroes he is going after who have selfish motives but try to wash it away by calling themselves heroes.
His philosophy makes perfect sense, a vast majority of the "Heros" in that universe are just brands. Basically a family friendlier version of The Boys, where they have a public persona that is their brands. Look back a the first episode, the wood ninja guy got mad at MT Lady for stealing his glory. Then you had "Heros" who would just stand there and watch a kid get murder because they wouldn't be a good match against the Slime man. Someone was in need and they said nah fam, that is too hard. Going to the entrance exams, the 0 point robot everyone ran from because it wasn't worth any merit. Imagen if the justice league or the avengers let a giant robot destroy a city because they wouldn't get any money or fame out of stopping it. Or spiderman not stopping a mugging because the battery on his camera was dead and so he couldn't take a picture. Stain is just going all punisher on the people who he deemed as fake heroes. It is fair to say you don't like his methods or some of this targets.
@@CollinMcLean He hates fake heroes, there isn't much to his character. There are "heroes" that are willing to let people get hurt or die than risk hurting their brand.
@@CollinMcLean Hard to speculate with Ida's brother since it was never stated why he was targeted. Maybe he crippled him instead of killing him because he thought he had some heroic traits? Maybe because he seen him as being a hero out of family obligation and not the desire to help other? Or maybe he crippled him so he could escape? Or maybe it was Ida's brother had the personality to be a hero, but lack the strength to do it? Or he attacks heroes and then judges them after the fact? We don't get a motivation for targeting certain heroes so it possible to point out someone who might not fit. His philosophy made sense considering how many heroes are willing to let other people get hurt or die to protect their brands. Or how many are willing to give up because it got hard. Let's not forget how many from the Liberation Army. Never argue his philosophy was perfect. Realistically he probably crippled Ida's brother for plot reasons. To force a meeting between Stain and Deku so he could be labeled a true hero like All Might.
@@ExodaCrown That's precisely my point though we're not given much actual reason for his specific targets beyond his vaguely applied philosophy with little context surrounding what his targets did to merit being targeted by him. It makes his world view seem horrendously flawed and is just confusing because there isn't a very clear reasoning behind his actions. It's just there for plot convenience to get the story from point A to point B. Imagine if we saw a story where Batman is beating up people and he talks about how he doesn't kill and he hates guns, but it also doesn't explain why nor does it explain what the people he's beating up did to deserve it. We the readers would be confused. And that's just where he is badly written from a logical standpoint. From a storytelling standpoint they also really dropped the ball. Uraraka would've been so much better than Midoriya for that arc.
Stain: you could have saved them all but you only saved a few! Hero: I literally saved as many lives as I could even with speed healing in afraid I still had broken feet and i kept breaking them every time I ran to save someone so sooooooorry for save 26 people and not being able to save the remaining 14.
And Ingenium is definitely a good hero, especially after what we saw in Vigilantes. But I do think that Stain suffers from a good base ideal taken to such an extreme that it becomes bad. It also makes sense after you see that he was a freaking assassin vigilante in Vigilantes. Guy never had his head screwed on straight.
What do you do if you're a walking fire hydrant, YOU PUT OUT FIRES. Fighting bad guys is not the main duty of a hero. It is to help and save people. If that's not the main reason you're doing the job, you're in the wrong business. Ida didn't come to that alley for justice. He came for vengeance. When Izuku and Todoroki went to that alley, they spent the entire fight protecting everyone else. They wanted to just run away with the victims but knew they couldn't so they chose to fight instead.
@@itsjustvin7630 There is a good possibility that we are talking about different things. Imagine for a moment that we are talking about a country. You are talking about England while I'm talking about Australia. Please explain in detail what you mean, so I can be on the same page.
The funny thing, Stain's moral's and idea's could have made more sense, if not for the fact that he did this for the sake of "You get paid". If anything, he should have had as motivation that there's heroes that only focus on their own well being, and would risk the lives of civilians to not get killed themself. And how to show it, in the second episode. Show that there was a hero in the crowd who could have helped the fight, but just ran away in fear of the fire and getting hurt. And then, once his story comes up, we can also have it shown that a hero chose to run from danger instead of saving a helpless civilian, and later claimed that he couldn't help. Give him more of a reason to hate heroes other than "They get paid. I don't like that"
Stain: "Well, Ingenium was actually pretty cool so I just crippled him for life." Anyone who isn't a fucking idiot: "So that's a legit hero permanently retired, which besides screwing over all his sidekicks (he's got a lot), means he's not saving lives." Seriously, I don't care if you're saving my life simply because I owe you $50 and you intend to collect, you are saving my fucking life.
I actually understand not seeing Ida as a true hero because he was driven by a very personal goal rather than being driven to protect others, he wasn't hunting down Stain because he was a threat to others, he hunted him because he wanted to kill him for hurting his brother.
Stain's frustrations with the current status quo make sense, but they don't excuse him being an edgy 90's villain. Not to mention that his ability to strike down the wicked is very limited.
While I'm on the Stain slander train, dude does not take care of his katakana. It's his primary weapon and it looks like it's about to fall apart. Also, he's pretty week. I'm not slandering slandering him for "cowardly" tactics like ambushing lone heroes. He's an assassin, that's what they do. (I personally respect that fighting stile, work smarter not harder.) I'm saying he got his ass kicked by 3 kids who aren't even threw their first year of hero training. I know he's a duelist assassin type, but these are literal armatures. And he's week against anyone with a defensive quirk, what's he gonna do against Kirishima, Tetsutetsu, Fat Gum or that bubble yakusa guy if he misses his first attack?
@@steam732 One of those strongest quirk users only just figured out how to use sed quirk with out destroying his body. That's like lousing a drag race to some one who only just got their license. And the other was literally only using half of his power up until the end. and that was primarily narrative reasons. Stane needed to have burns so Endever could take credit.
@@ianyoder2537 does not eliminate the fact that these two characters are stronger than the majority of pro heroes from sport festival feats alone. Deku himself has also been established to be far more battle hardened and tactically smart than most pro heroes. He literally found out everything about stains quirk with just seeing it in action a few times. Also do not know what you meant by that last sentence. Since I don’t think they ever established that as a plot point.
@@steam732 They would have been in trouble with the law for taking down a villain without a license. Endeavor was there, the police said they could sweep this all under the rug and forget about it if endeavor got the credit and not the kids. Decu's tactically smart yes. But battle hardened? This was his first real battle.
Lmao finally someone gets it, just because your quirk is not suited to basically fight a god and you know it doesn't make you a coward, you could be helping people in other ways with your power and authority as a hero, and they did. Like, the fuck is a water hose gunna do against a guy who doesn't even have to touch me to kill me
I like Stain because he was pretty badass. Also can we please talk about how there are so many people quirks/powers so weak and useless that they shouldn't be able to really be taken seriously at all, and yet we're supposed to expect big things from them. I mean seriously having a tail isn't a power, it's a deformity.
It's a very specific justice, and that's why it's antagonistic. Most morals and creeds have a wide birth and sense of leniency and nuance, which provides for debate and gateways for people to steadily find purchase in it. Stain's is set in stone, ironclad, and by the letter, so nobody could possibly adhere to it or follow it without stumbling into it or out of it without knowing it. His ideals are set like walking a tightrope, but with no net and occasional stretches of the rope itself are wrapped in barbwire. Even the people that say they understand and follow don't actually follow what he keeps saying. First the concept of a hero is purely someone with a quirk. Limited, but understandable as "hero" is a literal job title in the universe. While medical staff and first responders are heroes in the sense they do good things that help people, they aren't Heroes by a job title, so they don't count. Those kinds of people took up their charges by studying, actively choosing that life. Second, Heroes have to do things entirely unmotivated by their desires, EXCEPT the desire to help. No money, no gratification, no weighing options. A hero just does what's right because it's right, and they fly in blindly--but at the same time, they do it with consideration and kindness. A near contradiction that again would be impossible to do intentionally. However, if money, fame, or whatever else is thrust upon a hero, that's also okay since the hero is not actively wanting it.
Remember he was originally a None Violent Guy, who wanted ro spread his ideology of True Heroism. When nobody listened he just did the usually thing people do when theire None Violent Protest Fail. He resorted to Action/Violence.
Nothing in HeroAca holds up if you think about it. Spinner is a villain because he was discriminated against for his looks but everyone is cool with Shoji somehow.
So, to explain his ideology a bit better. Stain hates people who aren't doing hero work for pure reasons. He doesn't like iida because he went to kill stain out of revenge, not Because he wanted to help native, or for the sake of any of the other heros. Stains very flawed in his view, that's just a fact, but there are plenty of heros that do it not for the people, but out of greed, and fame. It's still wrong, because he accused ingenium of being a fake and he wasn't, however he didn't kill him and that mightve been why
@@MadMax22 yeah he just crippled ingenium instead of finishing him off, it's possible the reason he didn't was because he realized he could still change, or did have the heart of a hero
That’s still stupid with his logic their would be be ten heroes at most with one new one every three years because most people would go “why do I want to do this dangerous job for no money?”
@@superiorrule34 I fully agree it's flawed and stupid. If it was only people who take bribes or use their status as a hero for personal gain it would be one thing, but he doesn't like people becoming heros purely for profit, not for helping people, he hates the lack of passion. It's not a good cause, but it's a cause others could understand and manipulate for his cult
Yeah and that message was dumb, pretentious and fucking stupid. This is like Joker's one bad day crap, which is so pretentious and wrong it got disproven in the very story it came from
Stain’s philosophy was basically that you have to be for the people first, but it was hella warped cause as you said having bills to pay, which also includes your people
If you look at the prequel manga, we get a slightly better look at the fact that Stain is actually a mental case. On top of that, prior to his hero killing days he was a Punisher style vigilante, but so over the top that minor infractions were irredeemable. And when the MC of the manga tries to do the right thing and protect someone from Stain, Stain tells him that those who protect evil are also evil, and evil must be killed. I could be misremembering stuff. I just wanted to add that.
0:25 Ida wasn’t considered one cause his whole motive was vengence that it made him completely ingnore the hero Slain attacked at the time. Ida had tunnel vision that made him blind and unaware of someone who was in danger at that moment, and Stain pointed that out
Think of it this way. Heroes being paid means they now can put their all into saving people. They don't have to worry about their own income, don't have to have a second job, leaving more time and energy for protecting people. Heroes getting paid means they don't ahve to weigh up saving someone vs potential medical bills and lost hours. Critically though, from a practical standpoint, who cares? If getting a guaranteed income means more people willing and able to save others, what does it matter if someone is a "true hero". The person who gets pulled out of a collapsed building isn't gonna throw a tantrum that the hero is getting paid to do so, they aren't gonna demand they be put back until a real hero comes, they're gonna be thankful that they got pulled out. Stain's philosophy puts impossibly high morals over common sense, and in doing so he becomes a serial killer for people who just wanted to be compensated for risking their lives. Soldiers, police officers, doctors, firefighters, they all get paid to help people, but according to Stain they aren't heroes and should be all killed. Yeah see how well things go if that happens, I dare you. End of the day, if I call for help, I'd rather have as much chance of someone being there and able to help as possible. I don't give two shits if they get a paycheck at the end of the day. And before anyone talks about him killing corrupt heroes, the Meta Liberation Army, a literal terrorist organisation, was fomenting under Stain's watch and he did nothing about it. Even without their integration with the League, how many people would have died from this organisation's eventual attacks? YOu can ramble about good causes all you want but all it takes is one prick who just wants an excuse to run wild and boom, a hospital or a school gets blown up in the crossfire. Stain did NOTHING to the MLA. He is beyond useless.
Also what about heroes who save others because it feels good to be a hero, would Stain kill them because he would think that the satisfaction of helping others is an ulterior motive?
Invincible and The Boys had more focus of realism, like being seem exciting but the moment an villian don't play by the rules and will to kill you or a hero had so much ego they think their untouchable.
Stain was more plot setup than anything since he was just outright telling us hey there are a lot of bad heros in this world who don't actually care for the job and are just bad at it The way I see his ideals is heros that are only for money and "filler" heros are corrupt/harmful to the world so they must die
I look at Stain's philosophy in parallel to the sin, Greed. Some go so far as to say that you are committing the sin of Greed just by "wanting". As long as you want something, even a necessity, you have sinned. Stain's not that different when it comes to heroes. As long as a hero does something that benefits them, then they're not a real hero in his eyes. You basically have to not care about your own well-being at all, not even for an instant. Everything you do is for the benefit of someone else. You don't live, think, nor breathe for yourself because that is selfish, and no hero is selfish. That's how Stain views the way all heroes should act.
Ida couldn’t drop a vendetta he had against Stain for injuring his brother when they fought. That’s why Ida wasn’t considered a true hero in Stain’s eyes. Stain considered his idea of heroes being “pure of heart” and. it controlled my profit, fame, or emotions. Stain is smart had a genuine ideology, but went about it the wrong way. The reason most find Stain confusing is because he’s ironic. Stains Ideology could’ve worked considering there’s other ways of making money as a hero rather than saving people. Stain just didn’t want heroes only saving people just to get paid.
Stain’s philosophy was absolutely bass ackwards but at least it’s a different motive than “Let’s fuck up society because why not.” Every MHA villain has the same goddamn motivation and Stain is the only one that stands out to me.
Which he didn't and has never been linked to that. He was just a fanatic making shit up. Actual corruption were being dealt with by people like Naggant and later on Hawks and the war had actual corrupt people in the League's side
I’m pretty sure in a conversation between a student and 1 of the examiners of the hero test or 1 of the teachers I believe said something along that they shouldn’t idolize the man and his actions but their is something that can be taken from his beliefs. His beliefs at their core was, “The title of hero shouldn’t just be given to anybody and the selection for heroes must be heavily stricter.” Which in a world like my hero isn’t really that bad a idea, it just the way he executed those ideas.
Stains beef is with people who parade in the light of heros with no serious intent to save them. I dont agree, but i do get it. Like, imagine the herosyou put all your faith, trust, and money in dip the moment you need them most, or heck at all. And yeah you say youd dip in the face of crippling danger, and i as well, but if im to fight it myself anyway cause you think its too big for you, what was all that investment for. Couldnt even take them with them or pick up the pieces after. And just to be clear, the ones that stayed behind and left only after the peoples support in them left too dont count. My heart goes out to them
I agree. Stain was twisted and counterintuitive. He became a villain because he couldn’t accept the heroes. No matter what the heroes have done or how greedy they became, they still did good as heroes. If anything, a Stain that makes sense would definitely be a vigilante, but he would seek to expose the bad or even corrupt heroes, not just pick off the small fry neighborhood heroes. His crusade was fruitless and meaningless
It's not that they get paid. Stain hates that half the heroes in the industry do it for fame. Getting paid is one thing, but you should be a hero for the right reasons instead of having that be the reason you're a hero. So we ends up doing research and then killing the heroes that are not righteous.
He's basically Reverse Batman. Where as long as Batman Exists so do Villains equally as strong. As long as Stain exists a True Hero must rise to stop him.
I think he means that heroes who are only in it for the money, fame, or glory are not worthy heroes and he is killing them to prevent them from ruining a situation. In the first episode, look at Death Arms, Mount Lady, and Kamui Woods. Not one tried to save Bakugo. And Death Arms left as soon as the going got tough. When heroes were hated, he left saying he couldn't handle it. He wasn't a real hero. Not someone who will put others wellbeing over his own.
I usually agree with you but you missed me with this one I’m ngl lol his ideology is really easy to understand, flawed yes but it seems like u missed the entire point of his character and views.
I agree with a few things stain says true heroes need to change we need more true heroes no corrupt heroes snd I completely agree WHAT HES DOING TO MAKE THST CHANGE NOT AT ALL
Stain's Philosophy does have holes like how does killing heroes that like fame and wealth forge a better society or is it the right morals of a hero he is look for like how he saw in Midoriya that is why he deletes those who don't live up to his expectation but he needs to understand in his mentally damaged state than not all Heroes are the same each have there own code at least most of them rescue people and property and knock out villains with little or no damage isn't that good enough.
Well in their world, intertwining capitalism with hero work waters it down and allows for absolute monsters like Endeavor to become heros as well as makes heroism a transactional act instead of doing it because it's the right thing to do. It becomes all about appearances and not about the material effects of heroism. I'm not saying heroes don't deserve to get paid for their work and be able to pay their bills, but imagine a world where no one saves you from a fire, including firemen, because they didn't get a raise or the chief firemen was too busy promoting his new clothing line or something and you start to see the problem. Also imagine a world where people who are "heroes", are incredibly vain, vindictive, and don't care about the people around them. Like Bakugo. They want revenge for ANY slight, big or small, perceived or real, and they're antagonistic af. And these people have abilities like making explosions with their sweat-_- Yeah, Stain somewhat had a point. Are you really telling me you want Bakugo to be a hero? Nah fam, I'm good.
This guy Attacks Iida's brother because he became a hero to follow in the footsteps of his heroic parents. Doesn't matter that Ingenium saved people, doesn't matter that he's a nice guy, nope he didn't become a hero because of "JUSTICE/HOPE" so he's evil and corrupt. It's definitely not that Stain is just a all might fanboy and what he claims is his motivation is just him making excuses.
Ida was out for vengeance not Justice. Stain ideology holds Heroes to being selfless genuinely looking to do good, save others, self sacrificing, and not deliberately kill. The problem was that a large amount of the then current were really selfish, cowards, and not willing to truly risk lives for a stranger. Stain is the weeder, their job, to eliminate what is to be weeded.
Honestly if the my hero world was more like the one punch man world he would make so much more sense, theirs so many pricky heroes in opm that beat on weaker heroes to stay on top, just about every hero in mha are complete saints tho, the worst hero was Endeavor when he first showed up and even then dude made a 180 to become a better person.
I’m looking at the comments rn and I just wanna say people from both sides of this argument are wrong. What stain does like killing/crippling heroes is so VERY wrong but his reasoning for doing so also makes sense.
No it doesn't. As a matter of fact, the very fact that he crippled Ingenium of all people, the at that point only actual superhero in the show next to All Might, is enough to show why he was just straight up wrong and at best has a superficial logic at best. He's practically PETA
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I think Stain’s philosophy was more like you’re not a real hero if you only do it for money and fame, but he still took it to far by murdering and crippling heroes.
Dude cut off his own nose because he lost a fight and was tole he was crazy, clearly he's not all there.
@@ianyoder2537 yeah
It’s like you understand his motives but it does not justify his actions I mean he was correct on some level I mean look at Endeavour before he decided to get his act together.
Actually most heroes did not do it for just money & fame....
They actually wanted to help people....
Stains philosophy is odd because he killed anyone that got paid for being a hero
@@idowufeyisope5286 We didn’t really see enough of the corruption in hero society for us to really say that most heroes were prioritizing saving people over money.
The guy is based off of edgy 90’s Image comic characters, making sense and having an accurate anatomy are two things that are foreign to those beings.
'90s comics had a war against anatomy
@@Himmyjewett all I can say is that Batman was thiccc
@@Himmyjewett that iconic captain America image stays in my head forever to know what NOT to draw
@@guhbruhmaste4557 thing is that the artist who drew that infamous pic of Captain America is a really amazing artist his problem is that he likes to visually story tell so out of context it looks weird but it looks alittle better in context
@@Strawberrymilkdrink Nah. Rob Liefeld has and always has been a pretty bad artist. If you’ve seen his work since 2011 onward, it hasn’t improved one bit. Like, the dude is still a big deal in the industry, but he’s an awful artist.
Yeah Stain was one of those villains where you bought into the hype because of his introduction but the moment you stop and think about it he was just crazy, which maybe that was supposed to be the point. I always said Stain's philosophy never made sense in MHA considering that his two known victims to the audience were glorified civil servants and one found meaning in the job because it gave kids hope. Stain's character would've made more sense in a Series like OPM or "I quit being a hero long ago", because in those series most of the heros were only in it for the fame even going so far as to keep newbie heros down and even faking crimes for publicity.
Thank you!!! Tons of heroes in opm are glory hogging dicks so his ideology would make perfect sense there. If we'd been shown more cases of heroes in mh being dirty and corrupt he'd make sense but all we get are generally good dudes that want to make a living and help others
You just spat facts.
Yea he makes more sence in opm
I think his main motivation for his mentality was on a smaller scale because in a way what he's saying trickles down to all facets of life, school, work, interactions with people. People be fake but he went too far in terms of acknowledging it and wanting to do something about it. He figured fear would allow people to be more genuine about what their doing, if they wanna be villains or if they wanna be celebrities. In a way kinda like if he were to say "if you wanna be famous if you want power do that but don't call yourself a hero because people including me are counting on you guys" ofc some had to fall that weren't part of that demographic but at the same time it makes you think damn the good ones went down so I gotta be extra good. Anybody can get it. I agree w yall bout him being more plausible in OPM but I feel like if mha gave him more screentime we would have the same insight we have after seeing shigaraki story. Low-key, stain fighting for the ones like shigaraki, someone who needed help but didn't get it just cause there's "bigger things going on". Anyone coulda been a hero and saved him, shigaraki said so himself, but no one did because everyone going after image, going after the money, going after the glory. Even tho all might makes his money, he was already spending every minute he could doing absolutely anything at all, yea he saved Hella people and did Hella great stuff, but it was his methodology behind it, the I'm gonna save everybody even if it puts me down mentality. And then you got heroes like Endeavor pre season 4/5, mount lady in some cases, and even some of the students like mina, mineta, Kaminari, I would like to argue even for some time bakugo or shoto, they are not the same as all might, kamui woods and students like deku, kirishima, uraraka and with the exception of the stain arc, Ida. They all are of the hero course, but there are differences. Stain wanted to reduce those differences in the same demographic by fear
Kinda like if I said ima kill as many businessmen if I can cuz all of them are selfish and inconsiderate and I go after some. Not all business men are evil, but there are some at the top who would step on those under him to get there and those who are willing to take all the hits and be rewarded for their drive and will to serve
Just my two cents I honestly love these kinds of discussions shout out to classic
I put Stain into the same category as characters like Onomatopoeia. Sure their philosophy is different but they're characters who just ruin the lives of people who're just trying to do good.
SADISTICALLY. WITH KNIVES.
Personally those are my least favorite types of villains because some people say they're perfectly written but I say it's just villains who only make you hate them and overstay their welcome.
“What am I gonna do as a walking fire hydrant”
Real shit some of these heroes have quirks that just don’t work 😂
Oh no the quirk works it's is snot useful against dudes like shigaraki or any mid or higher tier villain. Against lower tier guys being blasted by the force of a fire hose could do some damage
That's when you get the gear heads to craft some gadgets for ya! Just tell Mei to give the dude who shoots water from his hands, a device that pressurizes the water, so he can put out piercing streams.
@@Mike_Dubo You aren't wrong, that'd really solve his problem of not being a fighter and would probably make rescue work easier too. Cutting a giant object in half to create a path using water jets would be useful in rescuing people not trapped in fires.
I feel like Stain was designed to be written couple ways
1. A guy who targets corrupt heroes, but do to Horikoshi still being a relatively novice writer just messed up
2. A guy who targets corrupt heroes but doesn’t really know who is or isn’t corrupt so he targets people he deems corrupt with the little knowledge he has
3. He is just an insane guy that kills people but justifies it to himself as killing corrupt heroes
4. I think this is the most likely judging from the Vigilante series and Stendhal. Stain once upon a time targeted corrupt heroes but similar to the reason why batman refuses to kill anyone, it became easier and easier for him to do so over what would be considered lesser crimes. For example Once a hero may be deemed a fake because his actions directly led to the death of innocent bystanders, later a hero is deemed a fake because when responding to a scene the villain killed someone therefore failing their duty.
As for why Iida is considered a fake is because he gave into the desire for revenge making him flawed there for a fake.
Inevitably the point is while Stain is right about there being Fake Heroes in society he is still an insane man who uses his circumstances to do what he wants. He is honestly no different from Toga in that sense
Definitely the third one he is really insane he is use the corrupted hero as an excuse for killing I understand his motive but doesn't justify killing
He never had anything to do with corruption, only with his fsnatism. That corruption thing is a fanon thing people invented to try and turn the guy who tried to kill literal children in an alley into a paragon of some sorts. Corruption does appear in the series, but Stain had nothing to do with it and the ones fighting against it were still the good guys and the Hero Comision
2 and 3 seem the most accurate
Horikoshi being a novice writer and still making something as grandiose as My Hero Academia?
Now I feel confident in myself.
Like forreal. Stain didn't even understand his own philosophy.
LMAOO True
He might've had a better leg to stand on if he actually killed and exposed corrupt heroes. (Spoilers if you don't read it)
Like Lady nagant who did dirty jobs, taking dirty money, and killing when crimes have not been committed yet. But even then, it was really work that needed to be done. Lady nagant was a hero in her own way.
@@themarinefan I always say that if their were more heroes like the ones in opm it'd make sense, the tank top tiger dudes are total pricks, fubuki went around beating up lower rank heroes to keep her place, et cetera. But from what we've seen every hero in mh are complete saints that also want to make a living helping/saving others with their gifts
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One bit that baffles me is that he has no problem murdering teenagers who try playing hero. Nevermind the fact they're still learning how to BE heroes.
His whole philosophy is just an excuse to torture and kill people he doesn't like.
Basically a baby
Exaclty that's what i though he is mentally unwell even if he fight ferociously has a striaght motives he has not done enough research that even they are heroes they are still people into desire like him
"Learning to be Heroes" would definitely put them on his hit list. Stain hates "Heroes" as an institution. And how were the heroes learning? From "The poisoned and corrupt institution" in his mind. It is an ideology that exist today in the Modern world were people actually subscribe to it. Where a corrupt an institution has to ripped out by the roots.
This man spitting facts, I wish that Stain only went after corrupt heroes.
People who used their fame for profit, self-promotion, and status.
Cause by his logic, Stain should be going after Endeavor and Bakugo.
To be honest, I'd say all heroes would be immune. As bad as less than morally sound heroes like Endeavour, Mount Lady and Bakugou are, they do still care about being a hero and tend to put any issues they have aside when carrying out missions. The only hero I can think of truly using their fame for profit is Uwabami because she took on Momo and Itsuka as interns solely to star in adverts for her products.
Also I feel it's a bit extreme putting Bakugou down to be killed when he's still just a teenager.
Edit: Just adding this on but if Stain did only kill heroes in it for money and fame, wouldn't that mean he'd try targeting Uraraka cuz she's admitted to wanting to be a hero to get money for her family?
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He ahold technically kill himself, because people started sell merchandise with his brand?
Where do you think spinner got his mask?
He used to but went a little crazy. He used to be an anti hero too
Technically if it weren't for Knuckleduster hed still be an antihero that kills villains, even those that are falsely accused for small shit
@@coolbeans3752 Was he getting paid for that?
Stain just gave an excuse for villains to do crazy shit like Dabi, my man really just used it as an excuse to get his fathers head on a plate even though he saw him grew as a person but he became more deranged because now his father got his redemption and because of it he doesn't have any purpose anymore, he just uses Stains "philosophy" as an excuse to kill him🙄.
I knew I wasn’t the only one who felt like stain did more damage than good
Also zeke from aot, he has daddy issues and uses that to do evil
At first I kinda understood stains physiology but I also understood it was flawed. Uraraka said she wanted to become a hero to make money so her parents could live a easier life and according to Stain, heroes who are heroes for fame and money are fake and corrupted. If Stain met Uraraka, he would have killed her for being a 'fake' hero. Sure Uraraka is a hero for the money but it's not for her, she is a hero for a bad reason with good intentions.
The difference between Stain and Dabi is that Stain believes there are good heroes while Dabi, who was actually Touya Todoroki, was abused and used by his father, Endeavor, who was a hero. He believes he is a fake and the other hero's are fake.
In my opinion, Stain and Dabi could have been written better if they were both vigilantes, morally grey between the heroes and villains.
@@malloribailey9511Stain got into a fight with All Might out of anger over All Might’s forced retirement. He’s just a psycho who thinks he knows right from wrong just cuz he at least understands ONE of the wrongs
Stain would have worked in the boys since all almost every hero is corrupt.
Only in the game and glory aspect since that is what the show is. The corruption angle would be like a second thing indirectly because Stain never cares about corruption as what many believe. Just that héroes shouldn't be anything but altruistic and even then not being fully commited to that idea because people that were altruistic were attacked by him because they weren't All Might
He does read like something Garth Ennis would've created... and that is very much not a compliment...
Nah, he’d be used as a criticism of antiheroes and would end up in a 3 way war between him, The Boys, and the corrupt hero
He said Ida wasn't a hero because instead of saving the person stain was about to kill he instead attacked stain and did not give a singel fuck about the hero who was about to get sent to the shadow realm
That's just being human you will care more about taking out the dude that crippled and nearly killed your brother before some stranger you don't know and taking out stain would've saved that guy
Whatever you say, dude.
Now try and justify Stain crippling Iida's brother. Tensei is a great hero, and an even better person.
So now try to justify what Stain did to him. I'll wait.
@@facundomontivero2299 it's a show calm down edgelord
@@bungiecrimes7247 Edgelord? Please, don't make me laugh.
The people justifying Stain are the ones who are edgelords.
Tbf i think subduing a known hero hunter is safer than trying to escort someone wounded to safety. You stop the gunman before he can shoot you before help civilians
Everyone in the comments really just trying to prove you right, huh? Making constant excuses for Stain and being all "Um. Ackshually"
Sorry to say folks, but Stain even compromised his own morals and was going to kill Deku toward the end of their fight because he was gonna get stopped. Man got in one bad scrap with a teenager he deemed worthy and said "Fuck it, he gotta die."
I realize that because this is his channel more people and inherently going to side with him, but the people presenting counter arguments are actually in the right here. Stain's philosophy is morally wrong, but to say it doesn't make sense (ironically) doesn't make sense. Hell, even Deku says later on when he's talking to Shigaraki that while he finds what Stain does unforgivable that he at least *understands* it. Ya'll treating this man like Batman as if he can do/say no wrong. He does miss the mark sometimes lol. (Not throwing shade, we all do.)
@@killervee3290 Just because the show/manga itself tries to agree with him on a moral level, does not mean that he's right. Because, fun fact, Uraraka is not a hero by these standards! She's in it for the money! She said so herself! If the hero work didn't pay, she would never have become a hero!
The character that's likely to end up with the main character *is not a true hero by the logic of the show if what you are saying is true.*
The logic fails at the jump. "If you do your job for anything other than to help people, you are morally bankrupt/a bad person" and that's just false. We'd have far less doctors in the world, as addressed in this video, if it didn't *pay well.* Cause it is an emotionally and mentally taxing job that many people wouldn't want to do without a good reason. Same for hero work.
Stain couldn't even stick to his own morals, he gave up the moment he felt he was in danger. Killing for the sake of killing, not justice.
You already proved you weren’t really paying attention because you’re first sentence is wrong. The show doesn’t try to prove that he’s morally correct. They say the opposite. And there’s a very clear difference between someone like Uraraka wanting money to provide for her family and heroes just being heroes for fame and greed. You know that.
@@mythicalthings1796 Also when did he give up? When did he just kill for the sake of killing? That never happened.
@@killervee3290 Notice how you ignored the "if what you are saying is true" part of my sentence, huh? The show doesn't agree with Stains method, but it does try to at least show the logic and reason in his actions via the "you should be a hero for the sake of being a hero, nothing more." Or "being a hero should come before everything else in your life."
And he absolutely *did* give up and start trying to kill for the sake of furthering his goals. He tried to kill Deku and Todo *actively* one of which he found worthy and didn't want to kill, but abandoned his philosophy for the sake of not being jailed.
And she still became a hero for money and fame, she didn't become a hero to help people, she literally *didn't want to tell anyone* because she realizes how bad that sounds. She became a hero for fame and money, for a selfless reason, sure, but she didn't do it for the sake of being a hero. Stain would kill Uraraka no hesitation.
The biggest criticism against stain is that he Cripples Iidas brother who WAS a true hero. And yet doesn't recognize all might when he meets him in the manga.
Ol but how would he recognize him he's a tiny man and stain didn't see the kamino fight.
Whatever points the dude did have, he lost it for his response to a kid being controlled by emotions was not to let him grow and learn from that mistake, but rather to kill him. And don't even get me started on Spinner. Dude was gonna merc pixie bob because she was happy?
What did Iida's brother even do to be a target of Stain, from what we seen of him he Tensei lives his supposed mindset.
To all those saying that Iida should have run away with Native (the injured hero), keep in mind, Stain beat Iida's older brother, who was, mind you, stronger, faster and more experienced than Iida, so he probably thought that, if he tried to run away, Stain would have easily caught up to and killed him because he is simply not enough to escape, especially while lugging around an injured, unconscious grown man.
But Iida's brother wasn't trying to run away, he was fighting Stain.
I'm not tryingto disagree with you, I'm just pointing out that if Iida had picked up Native and ran away, he would've been able to put a huge distance between him and Stain in a matter of seconds, considering how fast we've seen him move.
There is no possible way Iida's brother was faster then Iida with just one exhaust port on each elbow
@@andym2090 we dont know what happened to Iidas brother specifically, maybe he tried to fight stain head on, stop making these assumptions
In theory, Stain should have been the kind of guy to go only after corrupt pro-heroes, however because of how heroes are embedded in MHA's society in general, his list of potential targets ends being larger than the USA's national debt:
- If you became a hero because it is a well-paying job, you're on his list
- If you became a hero and as a result did a bunch of sponsored advertising, you're on his list
- If you became a hero because you wanted fame and glory, you are on his list
- If you became a hero just because it was a family tradition, you would be on his list
The first category alone would put Uraraka and probably 40% of all the licensed heroes running around in his sights. He appears even more psychotic because most MHA heroes are decent people, plus not even Bakugou or Endeavour are on the same level as 80% of Vought's "heroes", especially Homelander (The Boys)
As for Ida, it's important to remember that Stain believes the top priority of a hero is to save others, yet Ida was so focused on getting revenge that he forgot that Mr. Native was there and bleeding out. If Iida had turned tail and focused on getting Native out, Stain may have given him a pass but Iida understandably did not want to take the risk.
Now that you mention it, I think Stains hypocrisy comes off a bit less acceptable for the reader, than the author may have wanted. I get what he was going for- heroes shouldn’t save peoples lives like it’s delivering food or something. There shouldn’t be a price tag on human beings. But I don’t think most of the heroes in the story are like that….at least it’s not shown often enough. Idk
But I’m 100% with you on the Shigaraki thing. How is a guy with over sized eyebrows or an extra ear going to stop someone on All For Ones level? Without extra quirks being shoved into them or steroid drugs?
It AINT happening. Not everyone can be super special protagonist kid. Fire Hydrant man needs to collect his benefits and bounce
Plus what about characters like Uraraka who are in it for the money but that's because she's desperately trying to support her family?
Having Stain meet Uraraka would've been a genuinely good story telling moment that puts his ideals at a crossroad and forces them to be examined....
My understanding of Stain's philosophy is that to be a true hero is to be a selfless person doing it solely for the sake of helping others. During the fight Deku solely was focused on getting his friends out, not beating Stain, holding a grudge, or trying to inact revenge like Ida was. Deku strictly was trying to just save lives just like All Might. Even in All Might's case, yes he is indirectly getting money by being a teacher, having merch and all that but he is genuinely trying to make the world a better place and is an idol of society that people should look towards. Many other heroes are just doing it because it's a job, or they feel they can't do anything else or pay bills, so that does in fact lose the noble aspect of it. Like for your doctor analogy, yes they can be considered heroes and save lives but you will receive DRAMATICALLY different treatment from a doctor who is in it specifically to try to help people get to better health, than a doctor who will subscribe medicine, tests and treatments specifically because that doctor can make a profit off of it and keep you coming back again and again or even worse, downplay your symptoms and not listen to their patient because that doctor is checked out of their job and just going through the motions.
Those kinds of people are who Stain is going after and of course him going to the extent of killing them is too far, and is also the point of his character. Stain is an extremist that does have a point, but has used that fair argument to cover up all of his wrongdoings for the sake of that valid point, which makes him a hypocrite, just like the fake heroes he is going after who have selfish motives but try to wash it away by calling themselves heroes.
Ironic that Stain's philosophy is put into question because His Philosophy is what caused the expansion of the league of Villains.
Man literally woke up and chose the language he was gonna speak today was facts.
To be fair. Stain rejected the bloodlust that Iida had. Not the goal itself
Considering the goal itself, it's illogical to not expect bloodlust
@@taurex7939 ok? He's a VILLAIN
His philosophy makes perfect sense, a vast majority of the "Heros" in that universe are just brands. Basically a family friendlier version of The Boys, where they have a public persona that is their brands. Look back a the first episode, the wood ninja guy got mad at MT Lady for stealing his glory. Then you had "Heros" who would just stand there and watch a kid get murder because they wouldn't be a good match against the Slime man. Someone was in need and they said nah fam, that is too hard. Going to the entrance exams, the 0 point robot everyone ran from because it wasn't worth any merit. Imagen if the justice league or the avengers let a giant robot destroy a city because they wouldn't get any money or fame out of stopping it. Or spiderman not stopping a mugging because the battery on his camera was dead and so he couldn't take a picture. Stain is just going all punisher on the people who he deemed as fake heroes. It is fair to say you don't like his methods or some of this targets.
Except it still doesn't make sense...
Stain is just badly written...
@@CollinMcLean He hates fake heroes, there isn't much to his character. There are "heroes" that are willing to let people get hurt or die than risk hurting their brand.
@@ExodaCrown So crippling Iida's brother and trying to kill Deku when Deku got in his way?
@@CollinMcLean Hard to speculate with Ida's brother since it was never stated why he was targeted. Maybe he crippled him instead of killing him because he thought he had some heroic traits? Maybe because he seen him as being a hero out of family obligation and not the desire to help other? Or maybe he crippled him so he could escape? Or maybe it was Ida's brother had the personality to be a hero, but lack the strength to do it? Or he attacks heroes and then judges them after the fact?
We don't get a motivation for targeting certain heroes so it possible to point out someone who might not fit. His philosophy made sense considering how many heroes are willing to let other people get hurt or die to protect their brands. Or how many are willing to give up because it got hard. Let's not forget how many from the Liberation Army.
Never argue his philosophy was perfect. Realistically he probably crippled Ida's brother for plot reasons. To force a meeting between Stain and Deku so he could be labeled a true hero like All Might.
@@ExodaCrown That's precisely my point though we're not given much actual reason for his specific targets beyond his vaguely applied philosophy with little context surrounding what his targets did to merit being targeted by him. It makes his world view seem horrendously flawed and is just confusing because there isn't a very clear reasoning behind his actions. It's just there for plot convenience to get the story from point A to point B.
Imagine if we saw a story where Batman is beating up people and he talks about how he doesn't kill and he hates guns, but it also doesn't explain why nor does it explain what the people he's beating up did to deserve it. We the readers would be confused.
And that's just where he is badly written from a logical standpoint.
From a storytelling standpoint they also really dropped the ball. Uraraka would've been so much better than Midoriya for that arc.
Stain: you could have saved them all but you only saved a few!
Hero: I literally saved as many lives as I could even with speed healing in afraid I still had broken feet and i kept breaking them every time I ran to save someone so sooooooorry for save 26 people and not being able to save the remaining 14.
And Ingenium is definitely a good hero, especially after what we saw in Vigilantes.
But I do think that Stain suffers from a good base ideal taken to such an extreme that it becomes bad. It also makes sense after you see that he was a freaking assassin vigilante in Vigilantes. Guy never had his head screwed on straight.
I save a kid from a fire and get paid and this guy tries to slice my neck because I took the dam money
What do you do if you're a walking fire hydrant, YOU PUT OUT FIRES.
Fighting bad guys is not the main duty of a hero. It is to help and save people. If that's not the main reason you're doing the job, you're in the wrong business.
Ida didn't come to that alley for justice. He came for vengeance. When Izuku and Todoroki went to that alley, they spent the entire fight protecting everyone else. They wanted to just run away with the victims but knew they couldn't so they chose to fight instead.
But what's putting fire gonna do to stop the incoming disintegration
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You let someone else handle that.
As the Hydrant Hero, you put out the fires and get people to safety.
@@k9commander hard to do that when the wave of disintegration gets to you faster
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There is a good possibility that we are talking about different things.
Imagine for a moment that we are talking about a country. You are talking about England while I'm talking about Australia.
Please explain in detail what you mean, so I can be on the same page.
@@k9commander in that chapter Shigaraki can spread his disintegration. The hell you gonna do
The funny thing, Stain's moral's and idea's could have made more sense, if not for the fact that he did this for the sake of "You get paid". If anything, he should have had as motivation that there's heroes that only focus on their own well being, and would risk the lives of civilians to not get killed themself. And how to show it, in the second episode. Show that there was a hero in the crowd who could have helped the fight, but just ran away in fear of the fire and getting hurt. And then, once his story comes up, we can also have it shown that a hero chose to run from danger instead of saving a helpless civilian, and later claimed that he couldn't help. Give him more of a reason to hate heroes other than "They get paid. I don't like that"
Stain: "Well, Ingenium was actually pretty cool so I just crippled him for life."
Anyone who isn't a fucking idiot: "So that's a legit hero permanently retired, which besides screwing over all his sidekicks (he's got a lot), means he's not saving lives." Seriously, I don't care if you're saving my life simply because I owe you $50 and you intend to collect, you are saving my fucking life.
0:47 had me laughing my a** off because I would do the same thing🤣🤣🤣.
That last line is so true. Everyone hates you and you know you are outclassed, I'd quit too
What makes it funnier is that the walking fire hydrant stayed after the war I’m pretty sure
I actually understand not seeing Ida as a true hero because he was driven by a very personal goal rather than being driven to protect others, he wasn't hunting down Stain because he was a threat to others, he hunted him because he wanted to kill him for hurting his brother.
How are going to support someone without a nose
You are Krillinphobic
Based on your explanation on Stain, I actually understood what his motive is and what he defines a "hero"
Stain's frustrations with the current status quo make sense, but they don't excuse him being an edgy 90's villain. Not to mention that his ability to strike down the wicked is very limited.
While I'm on the Stain slander train, dude does not take care of his katakana. It's his primary weapon and it looks like it's about to fall apart.
Also, he's pretty week. I'm not slandering slandering him for "cowardly" tactics like ambushing lone heroes. He's an assassin, that's what they do. (I personally respect that fighting stile, work smarter not harder.) I'm saying he got his ass kicked by 3 kids who aren't even threw their first year of hero training. I know he's a duelist assassin type, but these are literal armatures. And he's week against anyone with a defensive quirk, what's he gonna do against Kirishima, Tetsutetsu, Fat Gum or that bubble yakusa guy if he misses his first attack?
To be fair those three amateurs happen to have two of the strongest quirks in the series. The other having potentially the fastest one too.
@@steam732 One of those strongest quirk users only just figured out how to use sed quirk with out destroying his body. That's like lousing a drag race to some one who only just got their license. And the other was literally only using half of his power up until the end. and that was primarily narrative reasons. Stane needed to have burns so Endever could take credit.
@@ianyoder2537 does not eliminate the fact that these two characters are stronger than the majority of pro heroes from sport festival feats alone. Deku himself has also been established to be far more battle hardened and tactically smart than most pro heroes. He literally found out everything about stains quirk with just seeing it in action a few times.
Also do not know what you meant by that last sentence. Since I don’t think they ever established that as a plot point.
@@steam732 They would have been in trouble with the law for taking down a villain without a license. Endeavor was there, the police said they could sweep this all under the rug and forget about it if endeavor got the credit and not the kids.
Decu's tactically smart yes. But battle hardened? This was his first real battle.
Lmao finally someone gets it, just because your quirk is not suited to basically fight a god and you know it doesn't make you a coward, you could be helping people in other ways with your power and authority as a hero, and they did.
Like, the fuck is a water hose gunna do against a guy who doesn't even have to touch me to kill me
I like Stain because he was pretty badass. Also can we please talk about how there are so many people quirks/powers so weak and useless that they shouldn't be able to really be taken seriously at all, and yet we're supposed to expect big things from them. I mean seriously having a tail isn't a power, it's a deformity.
Stain is a demon fr
It's a very specific justice, and that's why it's antagonistic. Most morals and creeds have a wide birth and sense of leniency and nuance, which provides for debate and gateways for people to steadily find purchase in it. Stain's is set in stone, ironclad, and by the letter, so nobody could possibly adhere to it or follow it without stumbling into it or out of it without knowing it. His ideals are set like walking a tightrope, but with no net and occasional stretches of the rope itself are wrapped in barbwire. Even the people that say they understand and follow don't actually follow what he keeps saying.
First the concept of a hero is purely someone with a quirk. Limited, but understandable as "hero" is a literal job title in the universe. While medical staff and first responders are heroes in the sense they do good things that help people, they aren't Heroes by a job title, so they don't count. Those kinds of people took up their charges by studying, actively choosing that life.
Second, Heroes have to do things entirely unmotivated by their desires, EXCEPT the desire to help. No money, no gratification, no weighing options. A hero just does what's right because it's right, and they fly in blindly--but at the same time, they do it with consideration and kindness. A near contradiction that again would be impossible to do intentionally. However, if money, fame, or whatever else is thrust upon a hero, that's also okay since the hero is not actively wanting it.
Remember he was originally a None Violent Guy, who wanted ro spread his ideology of True Heroism. When nobody listened he just did the usually thing people do when theire None Violent Protest Fail. He resorted to Action/Violence.
Facts
Thank you for speaking the truth
Nothing in HeroAca holds up if you think about it. Spinner is a villain because he was discriminated against for his looks but everyone is cool with Shoji somehow.
Yeah, they don't show it. I wish that Horikoshi atleast took the time to give Shoji some character
So, to explain his ideology a bit better. Stain hates people who aren't doing hero work for pure reasons. He doesn't like iida because he went to kill stain out of revenge, not Because he wanted to help native, or for the sake of any of the other heros. Stains very flawed in his view, that's just a fact, but there are plenty of heros that do it not for the people, but out of greed, and fame. It's still wrong, because he accused ingenium of being a fake and he wasn't, however he didn't kill him and that mightve been why
He just crippled Igenium
@@MadMax22 yeah he just crippled ingenium instead of finishing him off, it's possible the reason he didn't was because he realized he could still change, or did have the heart of a hero
That’s still stupid with his logic their would be be ten heroes at most with one new one every three years because most people would go “why do I want to do this dangerous job for no money?”
@@superiorrule34 I fully agree it's flawed and stupid. If it was only people who take bribes or use their status as a hero for personal gain it would be one thing, but he doesn't like people becoming heros purely for profit, not for helping people, he hates the lack of passion. It's not a good cause, but it's a cause others could understand and manipulate for his cult
Man was sending a message.
Yeah and that message was dumb, pretentious and fucking stupid.
This is like Joker's one bad day crap, which is so pretentious and wrong it got disproven in the very story it came from
Both stain and mcu thanos make little to no sense lol
I thank u for that tea
Stain is crazy, his fans are crazy. That's it. Secret's out
Stain’s philosophy was basically that you have to be for the people first, but it was hella warped cause as you said having bills to pay, which also includes your people
If you look at the prequel manga, we get a slightly better look at the fact that Stain is actually a mental case. On top of that, prior to his hero killing days he was a Punisher style vigilante, but so over the top that minor infractions were irredeemable. And when the MC of the manga tries to do the right thing and protect someone from Stain, Stain tells him that those who protect evil are also evil, and evil must be killed.
I could be misremembering stuff. I just wanted to add that.
...not only did I find a video sharing my view on stain it was very entertaining
Good show
You're not wrong changed me real quick
I never got the appeal of stain he was just a murderer who tried to justify killing
Whenever people seem to agree with Stain’s idealism I always ask if they can be fed with idealism alone.
"It used to be about the music man!"
Bro should've resorted to blackmail like the boys
The term "Hero" means very different things between Japan and the west.
Just commenting and liking to make sure you get paid my dude
All I can say is Fair enough
Heroes, Villains, Anti-Heroes and Anti-Villains.
The shrug just completes it all ig 🤷🏾♂️😂
0:25
Ida wasn’t considered one cause his whole motive was vengence that it made him completely ingnore the hero Slain attacked at the time. Ida had tunnel vision that made him blind and unaware of someone who was in danger at that moment, and Stain pointed that out
Peach brotha!
But have to give him props. He actually believes it and isn’t a liar.
Think of it this way. Heroes being paid means they now can put their all into saving people. They don't have to worry about their own income, don't have to have a second job, leaving more time and energy for protecting people. Heroes getting paid means they don't ahve to weigh up saving someone vs potential medical bills and lost hours.
Critically though, from a practical standpoint, who cares? If getting a guaranteed income means more people willing and able to save others, what does it matter if someone is a "true hero". The person who gets pulled out of a collapsed building isn't gonna throw a tantrum that the hero is getting paid to do so, they aren't gonna demand they be put back until a real hero comes, they're gonna be thankful that they got pulled out. Stain's philosophy puts impossibly high morals over common sense, and in doing so he becomes a serial killer for people who just wanted to be compensated for risking their lives. Soldiers, police officers, doctors, firefighters, they all get paid to help people, but according to Stain they aren't heroes and should be all killed. Yeah see how well things go if that happens, I dare you.
End of the day, if I call for help, I'd rather have as much chance of someone being there and able to help as possible. I don't give two shits if they get a paycheck at the end of the day.
And before anyone talks about him killing corrupt heroes, the Meta Liberation Army, a literal terrorist organisation, was fomenting under Stain's watch and he did nothing about it. Even without their integration with the League, how many people would have died from this organisation's eventual attacks? YOu can ramble about good causes all you want but all it takes is one prick who just wants an excuse to run wild and boom, a hospital or a school gets blown up in the crossfire. Stain did NOTHING to the MLA. He is beyond useless.
Also what about heroes who save others because it feels good to be a hero, would Stain kill them because he would think that the satisfaction of helping others is an ulterior motive?
Invincible and The Boys had more focus of realism, like being seem exciting but the moment an villian don't play by the rules and will to kill you or a hero had so much ego they think their untouchable.
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Stain was more plot setup than anything since he was just outright telling us hey there are a lot of bad heros in this world who don't actually care for the job and are just bad at it
The way I see his ideals is heros that are only for money and "filler" heros are corrupt/harmful to the world so they must die
He his litterally doing the Fake Hero Hunting all Wrong due to his Mentally Breakdown
My headcanon is that none of Stain’s victims were deserving of being on his list in the first place
I look at Stain's philosophy in parallel to the sin, Greed. Some go so far as to say that you are committing the sin of Greed just by "wanting". As long as you want something, even a necessity, you have sinned.
Stain's not that different when it comes to heroes. As long as a hero does something that benefits them, then they're not a real hero in his eyes. You basically have to not care about your own well-being at all, not even for an instant. Everything you do is for the benefit of someone else. You don't live, think, nor breathe for yourself because that is selfish, and no hero is selfish. That's how Stain views the way all heroes should act.
I feel the issue with the heroes leaving is vaild
Like imagine if during a horrible world event first resposnders just quit while people were dying
Ida couldn’t drop a vendetta he had against Stain for injuring his brother when they fought. That’s why Ida wasn’t considered a true hero in Stain’s eyes. Stain considered his idea of heroes being “pure of heart” and. it controlled my profit, fame, or emotions.
Stain is smart had a genuine ideology, but went about it the wrong way. The reason most find Stain confusing is because he’s ironic.
Stains Ideology could’ve worked considering there’s other ways of making money as a hero rather than saving people. Stain just didn’t want heroes only saving people just to get paid.
Stain’s philosophy was absolutely bass ackwards but at least it’s a different motive than “Let’s fuck up society because why not.” Every MHA villain has the same goddamn motivation and Stain is the only one that stands out to me.
Gotta get my bois views up!
I feel like Stain might have worked if he was specifically was going after heroes that were actually corrupt
Which he didn't and has never been linked to that. He was just a fanatic making shit up. Actual corruption were being dealt with by people like Naggant and later on Hawks and the war had actual corrupt people in the League's side
I’m pretty sure in a conversation between a student and 1 of the examiners of the hero test or 1 of the teachers I believe said something along that they shouldn’t idolize the man and his actions but their is something that can be taken from his beliefs. His beliefs at their core was, “The title of hero shouldn’t just be given to anybody and the selection for heroes must be heavily stricter.” Which in a world like my hero isn’t really that bad a idea, it just the way he executed those ideas.
Fun fact he has an origin story in my hero vigilantes
I agree the man was just crazy
I think this is the one time this channel didn’t understand the assignment, i usually support his claims 100%, but this one’s off my G
Stains beef is with people who parade in the light of heros with no serious intent to save them. I dont agree, but i do get it. Like, imagine the herosyou put all your faith, trust, and money in dip the moment you need them most, or heck at all. And yeah you say youd dip in the face of crippling danger, and i as well, but if im to fight it myself anyway cause you think its too big for you, what was all that investment for. Couldnt even take them with them or pick up the pieces after. And just to be clear, the ones that stayed behind and left only after the peoples support in them left too dont count. My heart goes out to them
I agree.
Stain was twisted and counterintuitive. He became a villain because he couldn’t accept the heroes. No matter what the heroes have done or how greedy they became, they still did good as heroes. If anything, a Stain that makes sense would definitely be a vigilante, but he would seek to expose the bad or even corrupt heroes, not just pick off the small fry neighborhood heroes. His crusade was fruitless and meaningless
You merk the man by over hydrating him from a distance
It's not that they get paid. Stain hates that half the heroes in the industry do it for fame. Getting paid is one thing, but you should be a hero for the right reasons instead of having that be the reason you're a hero.
So we ends up doing research and then killing the heroes that are not righteous.
He's basically Reverse Batman.
Where as long as Batman Exists so do Villains equally as strong.
As long as Stain exists a True Hero must rise to stop him.
They literally sold merch of this man in universe
imagine seling serial killer merch
I think he means that heroes who are only in it for the money, fame, or glory are not worthy heroes and he is killing them to prevent them from ruining a situation. In the first episode, look at Death Arms, Mount Lady, and Kamui Woods. Not one tried to save Bakugo. And Death Arms left as soon as the going got tough. When heroes were hated, he left saying he couldn't handle it. He wasn't a real hero. Not someone who will put others wellbeing over his own.
I usually agree with you but you missed me with this one I’m ngl lol his ideology is really easy to understand, flawed yes but it seems like u missed the entire point of his character and views.
You are making too much sense
Some mha fans are so nonsensically supportive of the craziness of the villains it makes you question their sanity as well!
Yeah Stains not supposed to be right. That's why he's a villain
0:58 If that's your argument then i guess you don't understand the term "hero".
I agree with a few things stain says true heroes need to change we need more true heroes no corrupt heroes snd I completely agree WHAT HES DOING TO MAKE THST CHANGE NOT AT ALL
Stain's Philosophy does have holes like how does killing heroes that like fame and wealth forge a better society or is it the right morals of a hero he is look for like how he saw in Midoriya that is why he deletes those who don't live up to his expectation but he needs to understand in his mentally damaged state than not all Heroes are the same each have there own code at least most of them rescue people and property and knock out villains with little or no damage isn't that good enough.
Got a point
Well in their world, intertwining capitalism with hero work waters it down and allows for absolute monsters like Endeavor to become heros as well as makes heroism a transactional act instead of doing it because it's the right thing to do. It becomes all about appearances and not about the material effects of heroism. I'm not saying heroes don't deserve to get paid for their work and be able to pay their bills, but imagine a world where no one saves you from a fire, including firemen, because they didn't get a raise or the chief firemen was too busy promoting his new clothing line or something and you start to see the problem. Also imagine a world where people who are "heroes", are incredibly vain, vindictive, and don't care about the people around them. Like Bakugo. They want revenge for ANY slight, big or small, perceived or real, and they're antagonistic af. And these people have abilities like making explosions with their sweat-_-
Yeah, Stain somewhat had a point. Are you really telling me you want Bakugo to be a hero? Nah fam, I'm good.
This guy Attacks Iida's brother because he became a hero to follow in the footsteps of his heroic parents.
Doesn't matter that Ingenium saved people, doesn't matter that he's a nice guy, nope he didn't become a hero because of "JUSTICE/HOPE" so he's evil and corrupt.
It's definitely not that Stain is just a all might fanboy and what he claims is his motivation is just him making excuses.
Ida was out for vengeance not Justice. Stain ideology holds Heroes to being selfless genuinely looking to do good, save others, self sacrificing, and not deliberately kill. The problem was that a large amount of the then current were really selfish, cowards, and not willing to truly risk lives for a stranger. Stain is the weeder, their job, to eliminate what is to be weeded.
Honestly if the my hero world was more like the one punch man world he would make so much more sense, theirs so many pricky heroes in opm that beat on weaker heroes to stay on top, just about every hero in mha are complete saints tho, the worst hero was Endeavor when he first showed up and even then dude made a 180 to become a better person.
I’m looking at the comments rn and I just wanna say people from both sides of this argument are wrong. What stain does like killing/crippling heroes is so VERY wrong but his reasoning for doing so also makes sense.
No it doesn't. As a matter of fact, the very fact that he crippled Ingenium of all people, the at that point only actual superhero in the show next to All Might, is enough to show why he was just straight up wrong and at best has a superficial logic at best. He's practically PETA
@@luisalejandrolopezbuendia9686 yeah I wrote this comment almost a year ago and my claim is kinda stupid. You’re absolutely right.