Detroit Big Time Wrestling (1969)
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2024
- Hosted by Bob Finnegan with matches including
California Hell's Angels vs Arnold Skaaland & Jim Dillon
Thunderbolt Patterson vs Jim Pateruski
Spiros Arion vs The Spoiler
Jess Ortega vs Blackjack Gordon
Mark Lewin vs Ox Baker
Junior Pateruski vs Killer Karl Kox
Jim Dillon vs Arnestis Resnick - Спорт
One thing that never changed; even 50 years ago, the referee was still blind as a bat!
What a true statement
😂😂😂yup!
@Shamdy Crook I know I was.
Wow amazingly preserved! I hope there is more where this came from.
2 of the greatest managers ever in pro wrestling tag teaming in the first match...That was just awesome to watch!
Also, the Hells Angels were not only not brothers, they were actually a couple!
Since this is the only known match of the CHA available to watch online, here's a couple more facts that viewers may not be aware of:
The boys moved from Michigan to Arizona to avoid the harsh winters, but soon had to change their name after the real Hells Angels objected to the use of their name... physically. They would later burn a flag on tv causing an entire promotion to be banned from television, and were so hated other wrestlers could turn face just by turning up to wrestle them. Sadly Ron would suffer a massive heart attack during a match in 1970, and another in 1975 that would kill him, while ring announcing in front of a horrified packed house in Tacoma Washington.
Paul would change his name to Clint Colt (named after a gay porn publication) and become known for his insane bumping, his Peyote fuelled hallucinations (he was known to freak out that the ring was full of spiders) and his heat magnet antics that included brawling with audience members and fleeing the building pursued by fans. Unfortunately the AIDS epidemic would cause career ending issues for gay wrestlers in the 80s and 90s due to the requirement to bleed buckets all over opponents, and work dried up quickly. He would end up making gay porn for a while before dying from AIDS somewhere around 1990. Jim Cornette would later describe him as “the best wrestler you ever saw that no one remembers today".
@@KittenRaptorTypical Cornette kool-aid drinker I see. What Jimmy failed to mention is that he made gay and kiddie porn along with Colt. That's why he married a PED-DUH-PHILE safe harborer.
Who would have thought, right? Interesting fact. *Mind blown* 🤯🤯
Thanks for the inside information. I believe this is why Don “Jack Dillinger” Fargo left The Chain Gang to get away from Jim Dillinger.
This promotion was owned and operated by Edward Farhat, the Original Sheik.
My father used to watch this all the time as a child.
Not just the original Sheik. The only Sheik!
@@jamesbowen8960
The greatest wrestling heel of all time.
@@BarekHalfhand You won't get any argument from me!
Killer Karl Kox was one of the all-time greats. We loved him here in Australia. He always had a great match.
Wow, never seen JJ Dillan or Arnold Skolan wrestle before, too cool. A young Ox Baker before his signature eyebrows and walrus mustache, Killer Karl Cox with his 'foreign object', those old school audiences, this is great!
Now this is Big Time Classic old school Wrestling..almost 50 years ago
I grew up on Detroit’s Big Time Wrestling. Thank you for the video!
Wow To think those two went on to manage Bob Backlund and the four Horsemen.
I was about to comment that myself. Instead I give you a 👍
Nature Boy
The first match vs the California Hell’s Angels. The other tag team is Jim Dillon and Arnold Skaaland. In later years, Jim Dillon, or J.J. Dillon, becomes the manager for the Four Horsemen. His partner in this bout, Arnold Skaaland, becomes the manager for Bob Backlund.
I agree with you Jamie
What a riot to see Thunderbolt Patterson at this young age. I always enjoyed seeing the funny strut that he'd occasionally do. And great to see Jim (J.J.) Dillon, long before he became a wrestling manager. Thanks for the posting.
My first time ever seeing Patterson and,umm, he really sucked. Did he end up actually learning any wrestling moves or was that all he did always?
@@dizzy1369 😭agreed
Those ropes are saggier than grandmas bingo wings 🤣
I was going to say some other part of her anatomy, but yes those are some saggy ropes.
@@user-so4gp2sf1o i loved that flimsy ring ! 100% showman ring and not for high fliers !
They used chains instead of turnbuckles 🤣 😂. The Sheik could of came up with a better ring 🤣 😂. This was his territory.
I just discovered these videos. Thank you so much for sharing them. This was long before I was born but the clarity of these videos combined with the full show makes them must see programming. This is the second episode I've watched and I will be watching many more.
JJ and Skaaland together. Two great future managers!
wow! I watched this show every Saturday back then...sure brought back memories! and seeing Ox without that 'stache is awesome!
My friends this here is wrestling....it dont get any better.....
"Cowboy" Jim Dillon aka James J. Dillon
and Ox Baker looking a little different here
a great promotion. 😎
This brings back so many memories of watching BTW on channel 9 in Detroit every Saturday! Thanks!
This is my first time seeing matches from that era, kind of reminds me of a game show setting with the announcer and what not.
I was born in 1972 and I would think things like Pro Wrestling did not had that kind of exposure like it did by 1984 after the Hulk-A-Mania phenomenon.
That's a perfect way to put it. Pro wrestling was just another local television genre before cable. Like news, dialing for dollars, cooking shows, etc.
I still remember this even though I was only 11 years old in 1969. Still good now!
Lots of brylcreem in the hair of all 4 guys. My dad made us put it in our hair back then. Those were the greaser days. LOL.
damn this is great....things sure have changed
Watching that 1st match with JJ Dillon, made me throw up that familiar. Four fingered hand sign and long for Ole, Arn, Ric, Tully and Barry to show up and lend ol' JJ a hand.
LOL....Plus, Bob and Bruno too to help out Arnold Skaaland...too bad that was a different time.
this is classic tv.
Wow 7 matches in one hour, when Monday Night Raw has only 9 matches in Three hours. Seeing The California Hell's Angels, and a clean shaved Ox Baker 🐂
I used to watch this as a kid... right before roller derby!
I have never seen Thunderbolt Patterson as a bad guy.
And he still got a few cheers though the boos.
I was going to say something about the quality of the wrestling... then I saw Ox Baker.... what a legend.
The announcer on the program intro is a voice over hero!
Bob Finnegan. Watched him many times as a kid in Detroit. I don't remember him being this smooth! Later he teamed with Terry Sullivan on the commentary. Last I heard, Sullivan was a classic rock DJ in Ohio.
Interesting. Pateruski did not fare too well against Patterson, but I remember seeing him in a preliminary match against a guy out of Greece named Alex Scuderis, and he utterly destroyed him. The match took less than four minutes, Pateruski batted Scuderis around all that time, and ended it with a brutal pile driver followed by a clean pin. He looked like a champion in that match, but I guess it all depended upon the level of the opponent.
This where it all stared wwf nwa nxt raw smack down even kbhk 44 had big time wrestling show.
I remember seeing Patterson wrestle as a babyface in the IWA in the '70s, He teamed up with Ernie Ladd.
The Soul Patrol!
Very awesome. Mark Lewin physique really changed as he entered the 70’s.
This had to be about the same time i was watching Wrestling from the Olympic in L.A. with Dick Lane doing the action (he took over for Steve Allen) in the early 1960's..........Elien Eaten production, watched it for many years, always a sellout crowd, with the likes of Fred Blassie, Mr. Moto the crowds were always around for the action.........Miss those days, the interviews were sometimes the best part of the show.......Dick Lane was the best...............
Ive watched 10,000 s of hours of wrestling in my 60 year life, 1000s on you tube. I RARELY rewatch anything more than once and the ones i do rewatch are done years later. THIS video is the EXCEPTION, for crying out loud this is at least my 5th viewing in last 1 1/2 years. The fill in announcer is way better than anyone going for last 15 years. He GETS IT, sells action beautifully. JESS ORTEGA and BLACKJACK GORDON….maan. Never heard of Ortega before, looks invincible, i want to see MORE. Lewin vs. Ox…..i love every moment of the match, every damn second of it. I have to believe Ox left territory soon after THAT debacle lol. It must have been great to see this every week, wish i could hear Laytons take on men like Ortega. THIS is WRESTLING. NO OBVIOUS COOPERATION, NO GYMNASTICS. I always turned gymnastics and cheerleading competitions OFF
Very nice comment. I'm a few years (actually, quite a few years) older than you and want to re-echo those sentiments. Am old school when it comes to pro grapplin and just cannot get into today's wrestling. It is too amateurish and too ballet like rather than real grapplin in the ring. Since I don't like today's wrestling, I go back to the good old days by watching these videos here on YT. They never get old.
...Ox Without The Stache and eyebrows just int that intimidating!...I remember JJ in the Maritimes mid 70s His moniker was "Mr Wonderfull Nature Boy" Dillon!!!
Ox looked like Martin Balsam. I’m glad he changed to the macabre look!
LOL I was trying to figure that out, THANKS you’re right. And Cox looks like Robert Duvall, sounds like him too
This was the best promotion of Wrestling!! Not show boating with fireworks it was wrestling
California's Hell's Angels ~ rumored to be the first openly gay partnership in wrestling history. Well, good for them.
Thank you for sharing this kool video.
Ox Baker really changed his Appearance from this Time as Shown!!
I remember watching this craziness with all the other kids in the neighborhood.
One of the neighbors bought the first color TV on the block.
All of us kids thought BTWrestling was critical to World History.
We believed the "bad guys" were funded by the USSR.
“Killer Karl Cox man of action”…. God I love it
Interesting to see JJ and The Grand Wizard super early on here
I miss The Grand Wizard (who spent much of his career as a "manager" in what was then WWWF, now WWE).
Especially the interviews!
altfactor That’s right he was such a sharp wit. He definitely could think on his feet.
@Jarne C AKA Ernie Roth
Robert Westerman That’s right, Ernie Roth. He would’ve made an excellent lawyer.
For the first time I watch the show of Big Time Wrestling...I like it!I am a huge fan of NWA wrestling territory!
The Spoiler was Bob Harmon, aka Beautiful Bobby later in the WWWF
There were several opinions here about who he was, but I'd take your word over theirs because of your long connection to the business in that area.
Jj Dillon before his Horseman days
Wrestling I grow up watching Detroit Big Time Wrestling could have invented in a better ring. You couldn't come off the ropes I don't like the McMahon family but they saved Wrestling. Very small set and crowd is close to the ring. But love Detroit Wrestling memories thank you ❤.
Wow! It is great! Thank you!!
Wow 1969…this is awesome
JJ what a cowboy
those 2 "hell's angels' guys got the shit kicked outta them by the real deal. no joke.
No, that was the Chain Gang with Don Fargo
Note: Junior Pateruski did not survive the year. He passed away in Kettering, Ohio on July 4th, 1969 while wrestling Killer Karl Kox at a taping for WKTR-TV.
Wow. Mark Lewin v Ox Baker. W/O an intro I would not have recognized either.
Can u upload anymore BTW video's from the 60's I can't find them any where. Great stuff!
Still better than Raw
So strange seeing JJ Dillon not only wrestling but as a good guy and with a cowboy gimmick! Fantastic! Plus, love seeing the Golden Boy Arnold Skaaland. I remember Thunderbolt Patterson from when I was a kid. According to Dusty Rhodes, Thunderbolt taught the Dream everything he knew about firing up a crowd. Hilarious seeing Ox Baker before he developed his trademark look. This is really different. When I was a kid, Spiros Arian and Mark Lewin were bad guys,, and Thunderbolt was a good guy. It's all backwards in Big Time Wrestling back in '69.
California Angel #1 also wrestled as “Jim Dillinger” in the WWA as Jack Dillingers partner in the second incarnation of “The Chain Gang”. Of course J.J. Dillon went on to fame as the Manager of the Four Horsemen and Arnold Skaaland as Manager of the WWWF Champion Bob Backland.
Skaaland was already working as Bruno's manager at this point.
@@kurtvanderbogarde8402 What was he doing in Detroit? I remember seeing him on WWWF TV frequently during this time period, in squash matches like this and accompanying Bruno. Was he also working regularly in Detroit or did he just do a few TV jobs while there on business (with The Sheik)?
@@MrHmg55 Who knows? People went all over the place in the territories era/
Gets even weirder. Sonetime about 1983 Jim J.J. Dillon himself managed a Heel team in Florida called The Alabama Chain Gang!😂B.W.
Don't forget bruno
I recognized Arnold small and immediately. But it took me a knife to recognize JJ Dillion! What a tag team!!!
Looks like they were in some strange blue studio room. How many in the audience I wonder.. 50-75 ?
The wall blue
The ring ropes blue
The ring Matt blue
Referee's shirt blue
Promoters favorite color blue
The Shiek was the promoter.
The Sky is Blue 💙 LoL
Yeah, Ox needed to master heart punch and grow that manchoo after THIS
wow..never knew thunderbolt ever worked as a heel
What? A Detroit wrestling match without the Sheik vs. Bobo Brazil? Also, good to see J.J. wrestle twice in one show.
Dang Lewin vs baker....awesome!
Mark Lewin was a massive man.
The Hells Angels we’re lovers outside of the ring. I wonder if the real Hells Angels knew this. I doubt it.
I think they had a conversation about that name and it didn't go well .
@@esiassharkiii7702 that, from what ive heard and read from multiple sources, is correct,sir. I looked up the old Tribune report……i recommend THAT to ANYONE….phew. not good.
The baby blue turnbuckles really tie it all together.
Several of these wrestlers had been with WWWF prior to this show: Arion, Ortega, Skaaland, Spoiler (aka Bob Harmon), and Ox Baker (who had a brief stint as The Arkansas Ox).
I am in ABSOLUTE SHOCK RIGHT off the BAT! WOW. First time I’ve seen a young JJ and he’s gonna fight HELLS ANGELS who are CHAMPS?! 😂😂😂😂😂. 2 bigtime managers teamin up to fight horrible evil on TV
thanks
Spiros Arion! Never saw him before his 70's WWWF time. Spoiler from "parts unknown" lol I always think of Gorilla Monsoon when he'd say "parts unknown? He must come from somewhere. How did he get here?" haha
Pretty sure that the Spoiler is the one and only JJ Dillon under a hood. Same physique, same dirty blond hair.
Awesome
I can't remember the last time I saw the sleeper used and the wrestler actually got the "win" with it.
Roddy Piper vs Hogan. Starcade.
Kayfabe crowd Dope😁👊
my goodness i watch this episode alot
Would love to find something like this from 1969 Los Angeles oylimpic auditorium ,actually the Barr clothing championship
Dying for a Cornette or JJ voiceover of opening match.
The only four I knew was Thunderbolt Patterson, JJ Dillon, Ox Baker and the Spoiler, who went on to become Mr Wrestling 2 in the 70s, course I was watching Florida and Georgia Wrestling in the 60s.
Those Hell's Angels guys were like Scott Hall and Kevin Nash
No!
They were legitimately gay lovers. uproxx.com/prowrestling/dupree-brothers-gay-biker-wrestling-tag-team/
バリバリ、ヒールなKKコックスはカッコ良すぎるヨ！日本プロレスでは馬場以外に無敵でした！
J. J. Dillion in the ring!
From Provo, Utah? WTF?
Mr. Dillon is actually from New Jersey lol. I would have loved to have been in the room when “Provo Utah” was decided upon lol.
Can anyone tell me what studio this was tapped in?
WXON, in Walled Lake, Mi.
Ox Baker really young
OMG a CLEAN SHAVEN Ox Baker? The world is coming to an end!
How about ox Baker with hair and no moustache
Mark Lewin from Buffalo NY!!!
The California Hell’s Angels tag team were actually dating ... yep that’s right they were a couple . Don’t believe me look it up 👍
How the hell did they get away with wrestling in Angel's gear?
@@wagnergary7632 They were posers and took a risk by using their name
Carlos Danger anyone who actually cares if they were dating or not really needs to re-evaluate their own life.
To bad they didn't go to Altamont
@@adventurelogs Chris Colt died of AIDS. He was an incredible worker and waaay ahead of his time, using music in his entrances and wearing Alice Cooper makeup in the mid 70s.
Ox Baker was so uncoordinated, it's hilarious.
Does anyone know why JJ Dillon is booked from Provo Utah? I’m from there and I’ve never heard of any pro wrestlers being from this area, let alone Dillon. Was it an angle or gimmick or something?
Did they have Gyms in 1969?
By the look of Blackjack Gordon, there were certainly bars since it looks like he's wrestling hung over.
Just like today, the rules were more like guidelines than laws, haha. Something you follow if you wanna be official, but not required.
Sheik's manager that's not Eddie Ceamen, or the Grand Wirard.
It's Abdullah Farook! AKA Ernie Roth!
Oh lord how id love to see Mr. Ortega clone wrestle any of these 130 pound aew “wrestlers. Dive, swat, dive,swat,dive, catch, crush,pin
Jim Dillon was J.J. Dillon? Yikes!
Who knew
I find it hard to believe the California Hells Angels did not get a visit from the actual Hells Angels.
I am not self conscious about amount of body hair I have watching these retro matches
Ox Baker without that large moustache looks so different to me.Also,with these shows of 50 people,did they actually break even paying all these wrestlers during their shows?
Usually those studio wrestling shows were free. The wrestlers didn’t get paid for those as it basically promotion for the bigger arena shows.
Even if he was right about The Sheik and Abdullah Farouk, I still get very negative vibes from Killer Karl Kox. As a USMC Veteran myself, I hate to say that, but I can't be blamed.
Killer Carl Cox is 38 in this match but looks late 50's. Damn them years must have been hard.
Killer didn't use the Brainbuster, that was his finisher in Australia, Georgia and Florida. Jimmy Garvin teamed with Killer in Florida and learned the hold from him.
@@garyrasberryjr.552 thanks for the irrelevant comment. 👍🏻
@@jefferyorton1723 Sorry that you actually had to learn something.
@@CatsClaw44 that was just dumb.
This is where they got the idea for the set of the Truman Show