19: Proof of Islam or Proof Muhammad was a Fraud?
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- To some Muslims, "19" is synonymous with the idea the Quran is miraculous. The number does occur in the Quran, and it's even revealed in the context of proving Muhammad genuine. But, like all things Islam, the truth is stranger than any Muslim realizes. Mary Harb joins me live to take a close look at this "magic" number and the rest of surah 74 as we continue our look into the life of Muhammad.
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Dawah Solutions says: "Mary looks like she doesn't take shower". Allah's boss did wudu with sewage water from a disused well in which were dead dogs, human faeces and sanitary towels. My post, The Well of Buda'ah
It was narrated from Ibn Abi Sa'eed Al-Khudri that his father said:
"I passed by the Prophet (ﷺ) when he was performing Wudu' from the well of Buda'ah. I said: 'Are you performing Wudu' from it when garbage is thrown into it?' He said: 'Water is not made impure by anything.'"
[nasai:327]
Narrated AbuSa'id al-Khudri:
I heard that the people asked the Prophet of Allah (ﷺ): Water is brought for you from the well of Buda'ah. It is a well in which dead dogs, menstrual clothes and excrement of people are thrown. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) replied: Verily water is pure and is not defiled by anything.
Abu Dawud said I heard Qutaibah b. Sa'id say: I asked the person in charge of the well of Bud'ah about the depth of the well. He replied: At most the water reaches pubes. Then I asked: Where does it reach when its level goes down ? He replied: Below the private part of the body.
Abu Dawud said: I measured the breadth of the well of Buda'ah with my sheet which I stretched over it. I them measured it with the hand. It measured six cubits in breadth. I then asked the man who opened the door of garden for me and admitted me to it: Has the condition of this well changed from what it had originally been in the past ? He replied: No. I saw the color of water in this well had changed.
[abudawud:67]
Abu Sa'eed AI-Khudri narrated:
"It was said, 'O Allah's Messenger! Shall we use the water of Buda'ah well to perform ablution while it is a well in which menstruation rags, flesh of dogs and the putrid are dumped?" Allah's Messenger said: 'Indeed water is pure, nothing makes it impure.'"
[tirmidhi:66]
Narrated AbuSa'id al-Khudri:
The people asked the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ): Can we perform ablution out of the well of Buda'ah, which is a well into which menstrual clothes, dead dogs and stinking things were thrown? He replied: Water is pure and is not defiled by anything.
[abudawud:66]
Mormons and Muslims cite their testimonies as proof of both. That is it's true cause they feel it is. The fact that many people feel many different religions should disprove this idea but they'd respond that God saves whom he will. As long as fate and fate alone saves, this feeling thing works. But it does make the whole thing moot. You are saved or not so dont worry about it. So the system works but it has logical consequences.
Hye Thaddeus. Would love it if Mary and you can refer your sources in-video or some way whenever they are mentioned. Can be a big help. I know its a TASK but if it's possible, it would be GREAT
Source: Trust me bro.
Thaddeus, where do you get your information regarding what Muslims pray in the daily prayers, please?
@ 56:07. The Muslims knew what ya'll were doing. They were trying to get you off topic because you were making valid criticisms. It happens on every Islamic polemic channel. Its just redirection tactics.
I don't think me - or a bunch of jinn - can make a surah as stinky at #74! Puts that whole test in a new light, no?
I'm really not sure what the point of the protracted conversation at the end was. It just seemed like a waste of time. A judicious and early application of the mute button would have helped, but I still don't know what it would have accomplished at the end of the day.
I was reminded of something. S 10:37 "And this quran was not to be fabricated instead of Allah..." Does that mean that that particular quran could only be fabricated by Allah?
From, What Is The Tashahhud Dua For Salah? (When to Say)
TASHAHHUD DUA ENGLISH TRANSLATION:
The meaning of the tashahhud in english is “All the compliments are for Allah and all the prayers and all the good things (are for Allah). Peace be on *you, O Prophet,* and Allah’s mercy and blessings (are on you). And peace be on us and on the good (pious) worshipers of Allah. I testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is His slave and Apostle.”
From, Islamqa, Wording of the tashahhud and sending blessings on the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)
Ibn Mas’ood (may Allah be pleased with him) recited the tashahhud as follows: At-tahiyyaatu Lillaahi wa’s-salawaatu wa’t-tayyibaat, as-salaamu ‘alayka ayyuha’n-Nabiyyu wa rahmat-Allahi wa barakaatuhu. As-salaamu ‘alayna wa ‘alaa ‘ibaad-Illaah is-saaliheen. Ash-hadu an laa ilaaha ill-Allah wa ash-hadu anna Muhammadan ‘abduhu wa rasooluhu (All compliments, prayers and pure words are due to Allah. Peace be upon *you, O Prophet,* and the mercy of Allah and His blessings. Peace be upon us, and on the righteous slaves of Allah. I bear witness that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger).
Narrated by al-Bukhaari (6265) and Muslim (402).
Ibn ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) recited the tashahhud as follows: At-tahiyyaatu Lillaahi wa’s-salawaatu wa’t-tayyibaat, as-salaamu ‘alayka ayyuha’n-Nabiyyu wa rahmat-Allahi wa barakaatuhu. As-salaamu ‘alayna wa ‘alaa ‘ibaad-Illaah is-saaliheen. Ash-hadu an laa ilaaha ill-Allah wahdahu laa shareeka lah wa ash-hadu anna Muhammadan ‘abduhu wa rasooluhu (All compliments, prayers and pure words are due to Allah. Peace be upon *you, O Prophet,* and the mercy of Allah and His blessings. Peace be upon us, and on the righteous slaves of Allah. I bear witness that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah alone with no partner or associate, and I bear witness that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger).
Narrated by Abu Dawood (971) and classed as saheeh by al-Albaani.
The tashahhud of ‘Umar was recited by him on the minbar in order to teach the people: “At-tahiyyaatu Lillaahi, az-zaakiyaatu Lillaahi, al-tayyibaatu Lillaahi, al-salawaatu Lillaahi. As-salaamu ‘alayka ayyuha’n-Nabiyyu wa rahmat-Allahi wa barakaatuhu. As-salaamu ‘alayna wa ‘alaa ‘ibaad-Illaah is-saaliheen. Ash-hadu an laa ilaaha ill-Allah wa ash-hadu anna Muhammadan ‘abduhu wa rasooluhu (All compliments are due to Allah, all pure things are due to Allah, all pure words are due to Allah, all prayers are due to Allah. Peace be upon *you, O Prophet,* and the mercy of Allah and His blessings. Peace be upon us, and on the righteous slaves of Allah. I bear witness that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger).
Narrated by Maalik (204) and classed as saheeh by al-Albaani.
My post, The Denizens of Hell: Men or Angels?
The Quran here and there tells us of people in hell but there is one oddity that I shall bring to the reader's attention.
S 74:31 And we have not made the companions of the fire but angels. And we have not made their number except as fitnah for those who have disbelieved that those who were given the Book may be certain and that those who have believed may increase in faith and that those who were given the Book and the believers may not doubt and that those in whose hearts is disease and the kafirun may say: What did Allah want by this example? Thus Allah misguides whom he wills and guides whom he wills. And none knows your lord’s troops but him. And it is nothing but a remembrance for the human being.
Not men but angels damned? Why might angels be damned?
It might conceivably be argued that the 'companions of the fire' are the 19 (or in a variant 17) angels supposedly over hell. But the same phrase is used in other passages and (for the most part) is in reference to human beings.
S 2:39 And those who have disbelieved and have called our verses a lie, those are the companions of the fire. They abide therein indefinitely.
S 2:81 Yes, he who has earned an evil deed and his sin has surrounded him, those are the companions of the fire; they abide therein indefinitely.
S 2:217 They ask you about the sacred month, fighting in it. Say: Fighting in it is big and blocking from the way of Allah, and kufr in him, and the Sacred Mosque, and expulsion of its people from it, is bigger with Allah. And fitnah is bigger than killing. And they still fight you until they bring you back from your religion if they can. And he who bounces back among you from his religion then dies while he is a kafir, those--their deeds have become worthless in the dunya and the hereafter. And those are the companions of the fire, they abide indefinitely therein.
S 2:257 Allah is the protector of those who have believed. He brings them out of the darknesses into the light. And those who have disbelieved, their protectors are the taghut. They bring them out of the light into the darknesses. Those are the companions of the fire, they abide therein indefinitely.
S 2:275 Those who consume interest do not stand up except as the one whom the Devil fumbles with with touch stands up. That is because they have said: Selling is only the like of interest. And Allah has permitted selling and forbidden interest. So he whom admonition from his lord has come to and he has ceased, his is what has passed and his affair is to Allah and he who has returned, those are the companions of the fire, they abide therein indefinitely.
S 3:116 Those who have disbelieved, their monies will not avail them, nor their children, against Allah at all and those are the companions of the fire. They abide therein indefinitely.
S 5:29 I want you to return with my sin and your sin and you to be of the companions of the fire, and that is the recompense of the wrongdoers.
S 7:36 And those who have called our verses a lie and have been arrogant towards them, those are the companions of the fire, they abiding therein indefinitely.
S 7:44 And the companions of the Jannah called to the companions of the fire: We have found what our lord promised us to be true. So have you found what your lord promised to be true? They said: Yes. Then a caller called among them: Allah’s curse is upon the wrongdoers,
S 7:47 And when their eyesight was turned facing the companions of the fire they said: Our lord, do not put us with the wrongdoing people.
S 7:50 And the companions of the fire called to the companions of the Jannah: Pour out upon us some of the water or of what Allah has provided you with. They said: Allah has forbidden them to the kafirun.
S 10:27 And those who have earned the evil deeds, recompense of an evil deed with the like of it and humiliation covers them. They have no defender from Allah. As though their faces had been covered with a piece of the night. Dark. Those are the companions of the fire. They abide therein indefinitely.
S 13:5 And if you wonder then a wonder is their speech: When we were dust are we in a new creation? Those are the ones who have disbelieved in their lord and those, the collars are on their necks and those are the companions of the fire. They abide therein indefinitely.
S 39:8 And when harm befalls man he invokes his lord, turning to him. Then when he bestows grace upon him from him he forgets what he used to invoke to him before and makes peers for Lah to misguide from his way. Say: Enjoy your kufr for a short while. You are of the companions of the fire.
S 40:6 And thus your lord’s word was confirmed against those who disbelieved that they are the companions of the fire.
S 40:43 There is no misdemeanour that what you call me to has no call in the dunya or in the hereafter and that our reason is to Allah and that the extravagant are the companions of the fire.
S 58:17 Their monies will not avail them nor their children against Allah at all. Those are the companions of the fire; they abide therein indefinitely.
S 59:20 Not equal are the companions of the fire and the companions of the Jannah. The companions of the Jannah are the victors.
S 64:10 And those who have disbelieved and called our verses a lie, those are the companions of the fire, abiding therein indefinitely. And miserable was the destiny.
S 7:179 says: And we have created for Jahannam many of jinn and man. They have hearts they do not comprehend with and they have eyes they do not see with. And they have ears they do not hear with. Those are like cattle, rather, they are more astray. Those, they are the heedless.
Jinn created specifically for hell. Angels too?
Conclusion?
Allah changes his mind a lot.
Angels where made for hell first, then abrogated by Jinn, then abrogated by men.
Or maybe Lah isn't yet sure.
Early Islam is obscure because they've changed it & they needed to hide the changes.
If Isa is STILL a prophet, how might Allah's boss be, or, more accurately, have been the last? If Jibril is a prophet in Islam, how might Allah's boss be, or, more accurately, have been the last?
My post, A Messenger’s Speech?
S 69:40 It is a noble messenger’s speech. See also S 81:19
It will be argued that it is Allah’s word conveyed by Jibril to ‘Muhammad’. The following verses say: And it is not a poet’s speech, little is what you believe. Nor a soothsayer’s speech, little is what you remember.
There’s not a word about conveyance to the messenger, nothing about Jibril. The author says that it’s not a poet’s speech; does this mean that it is not speech conveyed to a poet or does it mean that it doesn’t originate with a poet? The author says that it’s not a soothsayer’s speech; does this mean that it is not speech conveyed to a soothsayer or does it mean that it doesn’t originate with a soothsayer? Obviously it means that it is not speech that originates with a poet or a soothsayer respectively. Verse 43 will be cited: A tanzil from the lord of the ‘alamin. But the author has clearly said in his ‘clear’ book that it is a messenger’s speech. Now if Allah is the author, then is it being referred to as a messenger? Theoretically possible.
Let us look at another Quran reference and a non-Quranic hadith out of interest. In S 19:17 we read: And she took from them a screen. Then we sent to her our spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a regular man.
In verse 19 we read: He said: I am only a messenger of your lord’s that I may give you a pure boy.
In a cave hadith we read: He used to take with him the journey food for that (stay) and then come back to (his wife) Khadija to take his food like-wise again for another period to stay, till suddenly the Truth descended upon him while he was in the cave of Hira. The angel came to him in it and asked him to read. The Prophet (ﷺ) replied, "I do not know how to read." [bukhari/91/1]
One of the Allah ‘names’ is Al-Haqq, The Truth. Is the hadith saying that “the Truth” was an angel, properly a messenger?
Further reading: Is Allah A Messenger?
I was reminded of something. My post, None Knows Its Interpretation But Allah
S 3:7 He is the one who sent down upon you the book; of it are muhkamat verses. They are the mother of the book and others are mutashabihat. As for those in whose hearts is aberration, they follow what he copied from it, seeking fitnah and seeking its interpretation. And none knows its interpretation but Allah. And the firm in knowledge say: We have believed in it. All is from our lord. And none remembers except the possessors of albab.
Does an author interpret his own work? Or might one interpret and make sense of someone else's work?
S 69:40 It is a noble messenger’s speech.
S 81:19 It is the speech of a noble messenger,
If these passages are saying that the Quran is a messenger's speech then is Allah the only one that can make sense of this anonymous author's work?
A Messenger’s Speech?
My post, The Anonymous Quran
In this post we shall be looking at the authorship of 'the' Quran. Whom does it ascribe authorship to? We come across references to 'sending down', but what does this expression imply? In S 4:82 we read:
Do they not ponder on the Quran? Had it been from other than Allah they would have found therein much discrepancy.
This passage that speaks of 'pondering', something that Muslims tend not to do, we read: "Had it been from [min 'indi'] other than Allah they would have found therein much discrepancy." How many of us have given a book as a birthday or Christmas present? Someone might ask: 'Whom is it from?' We would say: 'It's from me.' Did we write it? No, we merely gave it. And if Allah were narrating, should it not read: 'Had it been from other than me'? Surely it's the author speaking of Allah. And following the formulation of the verse, because the Quran does not agree with the Bible, we may conclude that it is not from Allah, in any sense.
Confirming
Some Thoughts on S 4:82
Let's ponder on the 'sending down' passages. We shall look at S 2:23 as an example.
And if you are in doubt about what we have sent down upon our slave then bring a surah of the like of it and invoke your witnesses instead of Allah if you are truthful.
Surah Like It
Surah/Quran Like It Observations
Now, if I were working in a hotel and a sandwich were asked for, I might send it down to a lower floor by dumb waiter. Did I necessarily make it? No, I simply sent it down. Which brings me to S 25:33.
And they do not bring you a similitude but we have brought you the truth and the best tafsir.
The Quran is the Best Tafsir?
Presumably the 'truth' and the 'best tafsir' refer to 'the' Quran. If it was sent down, why was it brought?
The descent of the Quran -- Verses in conflict with the piecemeal theory
Qur'an Contradiction: The descent of the Quran -- piecemeal or all at once?
Did Allah Come?
If I bring someone a sandwich, have I necessarily made it?
We shall now refer to S 69:40 and S 81:19. We are told that 'it', presumably 'the' Quran, is a messenger's speech. If it is a messenger's speech, how might it be Allah's? Unless we are to understand that Allah is being called a messenger. Muslims will see in this word 'someone who is sent' and object; but Allah is called a wakil 'an agent' elsewhere.
Agent Allah
Agent Passages
The 'messenger' verses are treated of here: A Messenger’s Speech?
If 'the' Quran's being 'sent down' implies authorship, then what should we make of S 2:97?
Say: He who was an enemy to Jibril, he sent it down upon your heart with Allah’s permission, confirming what is in front of it and as guidance and good news for the believers.
Permission
Confirming
Ambiguously composed, me thinks. Was it the enemy to Jibril who sent it down or Jibril?
Allah supposedly sent down the Torah and the Injil.
S 3:3 He has sent down upon you the book with truth confirming what is in front of him and he sent down the Torah and the Injil
Does that imply that Allah wrote them?
The Torah
The Injil
We may as well also ponder on passages that speak of things being 'given'.
Musa was 'given' a book, supposedly the Torah, and the Furqan.
S 2:53 And when we gave Musa the Book and the Furqan; perhaps you will be guided.
I've given many a book as a present but I didn't write one of them.
We do read that Allah (we presume) wrote something in some tablets, but there's no internal evidence that they were the Ten Commandments. Besides, the word used for 'tablets' is in the Arabic plural, so three or more.
S 7:145 And we wrote for him in the tablets-- of everything an exhortation and an explanation for everything. So take them with strength and command your people to take the best of them. I shall show you the home of the fasiqun.
The Book Given to Musa and the Tablets
The Furqan
S 5:46 And we sent on their tracks Isa son of Maryam, confirming what is in front of him of the Torah, and we gave him the Injil. Therein is guidance and light and confirming what is in front of him of the Torah and guidance and exhortation for the fearers.
The Injil
Quran Contradiction: Did Allah give a Greek Injil to the Jews?
Qur'an Difficulty: Moses and the Injil?
If Muslims want to speak of the 'anonymous' Gospels then why did Allah give Isa an anonymous Injil, and Musa an anonymous Torah?
The reader will have noticed that I have put 'the' in quotation marks before 'Quran'.
A quran?
My post, Some Thoughts on S 96:1-5
1 Read in the name of your lord who created, 2 Created man from clots. 3 Read and your lord is the most generous, 4 Who taught by the pen, 5 Taught man what he did not know.
Verse one does not identify this 'lord' of the author's. Was it Allah?
Narrated Jundab bin `Abdullah:
Gabriel did not come to the Prophet (for some time) and so one of the Quraish women said, "His Satan has deserted him." So came the Divine Revelation: "By the forenoon And by the night When it is still! Your Lord (O Muhammad) has neither Forsaken you Nor hated you." (93.1-3)
[bukhari/19/5]
The hadith suggests that Jibril was his lord, his devil lord. In another hadith a qarin commands him.
Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said:
There is none amongst you with whom is not an attache from amongst the jinn (devil). They (the Companions) said: Allah's Messenger, with you too? Thereupon he said: Yes, but Allah helps me against him and so I am safe from his hand and he does not command me but for good.
[muslim/52/62]
Man was created from 'alaq. This is the collective form of 'alaqah, a blood clot, according to this page: [wiktionary] So we're looking at a number of blood clots. As 'man' should include Adam, where does the Quran say that he was created from any number of blood clots? Whose blood would it be?
The same page however gives one definition for 'alaq as "clay that clings to the hand". Almaany has: "- blood clot; thrombus" [almaany]
To say that I was created from either a blood clot or from clay would of course be an error. And why doesn't the author say that man was created from a drop of semen (S 23:14)?
He is directed to read. Read what? In non-Quranic hadith we find:
" The angel came to him in it and asked him to read. The Prophet (ﷺ) replied, "I do not know how to read." (The Prophet (ﷺ) added), "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and again asked me to read, and I replied, "I do not know how to read," whereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and asked me again to read, but again I replied, "I do not know how to read (or, what shall I read?)." Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me and then released me and said, "Read: In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists). Has created man from a clot. Read and Your Lord is Most Generous...up to..... ..that which he knew not." (96.15)"
[bukhari/91/1]
In the Sirah we find, as quoted in an Answering Islam article:
… When it was the night on which God honoured him with his mission and showed mercy on His servants thereby, Gabriel brought him the command of God. ‘He came to me,’ said the apostle of God, ‘while I was asleep, with a coverlet brocade whereon was some writing, and said, "Read!" I said, "What shall I read?" He pressed me with IT so tightly that I thought it was death; then he let me go and said, "Read!" I said, "What shall I read?" He pressed me with IT again so that I thought it was death; then he let me go and said "Read!" I said, "What shall I read?" He pressed me with IT the third time so that I thought it was death and said, "Read!" I said, "What then shall I read?" - and this I said only to deliver myself from him, lest he should do the same to me again… So I read it, and he departed from me. And I awoke from my sleep, and it was as though these words were written on my heart…’ (The Life of Muhammad, A Translation of Ibn Ishaq’s Sirat Rasul Allah, with introduction and notes by Alfred Guillaume [Karachi Oxford University Press, Karachi, Tenth Impression 1995], p. 106; bold, capital and italic emphasis ours) To Read or Recite? That is the Question!
This 'lord' taught man by means of the pen; in what way? What was written down? What was taught? The Jalalayn for verses 4 and 5 say:
Who taught the art of script by the pen - the first to write with it was the prophet Enoch Idrīs peace be upon him -
taught man al-insān the generic what he did not know before he was taught in the way of guidance the art of writing crafts and so on. [altafsir .com/Tafasir .asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=74&tSoraNo=96&tAyahNo=5&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2]
The Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs:
(Who teacheth by the pen) Who teaches writing by the pen,
(Teacheth man) writing with the pen (that which be knew not) before this; it is also said: He taught man the names of all things which he previously did not know. [altafsir .com/Tafasir .asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=73&tSoraNo=96&tAyahNo=5&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2]
Wikipedia:
1-5 The first revelation[edit]
Main article: Muhammad's first revelation
The first five verses of this sura are believed by some to be the first verses of the Quran claimed to be related by Muhammad. He received them while on a retreat in a mountain cave at Hira, just outside the city of Mecca in 610 CE. A few commentators disagree with this account, claiming that the first revelation was the beginning of surat al-Muddaththir or surat al-Fatiha, but theirs is a minority position. Moreover, the term ‘Insan’ which is translated to man or human appears 65 times in the Qur'an, applying to both sexes of mankind, a generic ‘man’.[4] [en .wikipedia .org/wiki/Al-Alaq]
Chronological Order of the Qur'an - WikiIslam
Further reading regarding the author's literacy:
Muhammad - Literate Still!
Muhammad - Literate Still! [Round 2]
The mormon comparisons really remind me of that episode of South Park.
"Mohammed was called a prophet dum dum dum dum dum"
"Mary Harb smart smart smart, smart smart smart smart smart"
"Mohammed dum dum dum"
Allah's boss effectively denied being a messenger or prophet. My post, Is He a Messenger?
What criteria are there for establishing a man's credentials as a messenger? In S 3:183 we are told of an encounter with some Jews.
Those who said: Allah has recognised from us that we should not believe a messenger until he brings us a qurban which the fire consumes. Say: Messengers came before me with the proofs and with what you speak. So why did you kill them if you are truthful?
The Jews say that they had an understanding with Allah that they don't accept anyone calling himself a messenger until he offers a sacrifice which is consumed by fire from heaven. The author accepts what they say. But where was the sacrifice? The incident may or may not be true but if true, was this just another test for the false prophet? In 1 Kings 18 we read:
16So Obadiah went to meet Ahab, and told him: and Ahab went to meet Elijah.
17And it came to pass, when Ahab saw Elijah, that Ahab said unto him, Art thou he that troubleth Israel? 18And he answered, I have not troubled Israel; but thou, and thy father's house, in that ye have forsaken the commandments of the LORD, and thou hast followed Baalim. 19Now therefore send, and gather to me all Israel unto mount Carmel, and the prophets of Baal four hundred and fifty, and the prophets of the groves four hundred, which eat at Jezebel's table.
20So Ahab sent unto all the children of Israel, and gathered the prophets together unto mount Carmel. 21And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word. 22Then said Elijah unto the people, I, even I only, remain a prophet of the LORD; but Baal's prophets are four hundred and fifty men. 23Let them therefore give us two bullocks; and let them choose one bullock for themselves, and cut it in pieces, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under: and I will dress the other bullock, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under: 24And call ye on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the LORD: and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God. And all the people answered and said, It is well spoken.
25And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal, Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your gods, but put no fire under. 26And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped upon the altar which was made. 27And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked. 28And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them. 29And it came to pass, when midday was past, and they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that there was neither voice, nor any to answer, nor any that regarded.
30And Elijah said unto all the people, Come near unto me. And all the people came near unto him. And he repaired the altar of the LORD that was broken down. 31And Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, unto whom the word of the LORD came, saying, Israel shall be thy name: 32And with the stones he built an altar in the name of the LORD: and he made a trench about the altar, as great as would contain two measures of seed. 33And he put the wood in order, and cut the bullock in pieces, and laid him on the wood, and said, Fill four barrels with water, and pour it on the burnt sacrifice, and on the wood. 34And he said, Do it the second time. And they did it the second time. And he said, Do it the third time. And they did it the third time. 35And the water ran round about the altar; and he filled the trench also with water.
Elijah's Prayer
36And it came to pass at the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that Elijah the prophet came near, and said, LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and of Israel, let it be known this day that thou art God in Israel, and that I am thy servant, and that I have done all these things at thy word. 37Hear me, O LORD, hear me, that this people may know that thou art the LORD God, and that thou hast turned their heart back again. 38Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench. 39And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, The LORD, he is the God; the LORD, he is the God. 40And Elijah said unto them, Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape. And they took them: and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there. 1 Kings 18 KJV
Qur'an Contradiction: Did the Jews kill prophets who brought a sacrifice devoured by fire?
He goes on a rant accusing them of having killed messengers.
Qur'an Contradiction: Which Prophets Did the Jews Kill?
In hadith he effectively denies being a messenger by erasing his self-assumed title.
Narrated Al-Bara:
When the Prophet (ﷺ) intended to perform the `Umra he sent a person to the people of Mecca asking their permission to enter Mecca. They stipulated that he would not stay for more than three days and would not enter it except with sheathed arms and would not preach (Islam) to any of them. So `Ali bin Abi- Talib started writing the treaty between them. He wrote, "This is what Muhammad, Apostle of Allah has agreed to." The (Meccans) said, "If we knew that you (Muhammad) are the Messenger of Allah, then we would not have prevented you and would have followed you. But write, 'This is what Muhammad bin `Abdullah has agreed to..' " On that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "By Allah, I am Muhammad bin `Abdullah, and, by Allah, I am Apostle of 'Allah." Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) used not to write; so he asked `Ali to erase the expression of Apostle of Allah. On that `Ali said, "By Allah I will never erase it." Allah's Apostle said (to `Ali), "Let me see the paper." When `Ali showed him the paper, the Prophet (ﷺ) erased the expression with his own hand. When Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) had entered Mecca and three days had elapsed, the Meccans came to `Ali and said, "Let your friend (i.e. the Prophet) quit Mecca." `Ali informed Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) about it and Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "Yes," and then he departed. [bukhari/58/26]
Further reading: Proofs?
From, Quran Contradiction: Is Muhammad Only A Warner or a Prophet/Messenger?
There is no denying that the Quran asserts that Muhammad was an apostle and prophet:
Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Apostle of God, and the Seal of the Prophets: and God has full knowledge of all things. S. 33:40 Y. Ali
What may not be apparent to our readers is that the Quran contradicts itself at this point since it claims that Muhammad was only a warner whom Allah sent:
Say: For myself I have no power to benefit, nor power to hurt, save that which Allah willeth. Had I knowledge of the Unseen, I should have abundance of wealth, and adversity would not touch me. I am but (illa) a warner, and a bearer of good tidings unto folk who believe. S. 7:188 Pickthall
So perchance you (Muhammad SAW) may give up a part of what is revealed unto you, and that your breast feels straitened for it because they say, "Why has not a treasure been sent down unto him, or an angel has come with him?" But you are ONLY a warner (innama anta natheerun). And Allah is a Wakil (Disposer of affairs, Trustee, Guardian, etc.) over all things. S. 11:12 Hilali-Khan
Those who disbelieve say: If only some portent were sent down upon him from his Lord! Thou art a warner ONLY (innama anta munthirun), and for every folk a guide. S. 13:7 Pickthall
And they say: "Why are not signs sent down to him from his Lord? Say: "The signs are only with Allah (qul innama al-ayatu AAinda Allahi), and I am ONLY a plain warner (wa-innama ana natheerun mubeenun)." S. 29:50 Hilali-Khan
Interestingly, the last three passages emphatically deny that Muhammad brought any portents since he was only a warner, implying that warners weren’t equipped with signs and wonders. For more on this issue please read this article on Muhammad and Miracles.
Say (O Muhammad SAW): "O mankind! I am (sent) to you ONLY as a plain warner (innama ana lakum natheerun mubeenun)." S. 22:49 Hilali-Khan
Say (unto them, O Muhammad): I am ONLY a warner (Qul innama ana munthirun), and there is no God save Allah, the One, the Absolute, S. 38:65 Pickthall
Say: "As to the knowledge of the time, it is with God alone (Qul innama alAAilmu AAinda Allahi): I am (sent) ONLY to warn plainly in public (wa-innama ana natheerun mubeenun)." S. 67:26 Y. Ali; cf. 17:105; 25:56; 27:92; 34:28; 79:45
The Arabic word innama is a particle that negates everything else, which in reference to Muhammad means that he is a warner and nothing else. The Muslim should have no problem accepting this point, that in these specific references innama means Muhammad is ONLY a warner and nothing more, since the Quran says something similar about the unity of Allah:
This is a clear message for mankind in order that they may be warned thereby, and that they may know that He is ONLY One God (annama huwa ilahun wahidun), and that men of understanding may take heed. S. 14:52 Pickthall
Allah hath said: Choose not two gods. There is ONLY One God (innama huwa ilahun wahidun). So of Me, Me only, be in awe. S. 16:51 Pickthall
And:
God bears witness that there is no god but (illa) He -- and the angels, and men possessed of knowledge -- upholding justice; there is no god but He, the All-mighty, the All-wise. S. 3:18
And We sent never a Messenger before thee except that We revealed to him, saying, 'There is no god but (illa) I; so serve Me.' S. 21:25 Pickthall
Which Muslim would take the above texts to mean that Allah is not the only god? Which Muslim would deny that only (innama) or but (illa) mean exactly that, i.e. that there is no other deity except Allah and that he alone is God? Yet the Quran uses the same expressions in reference to Muhammad being a warner. If the Muslim is to remain consistent s/he must accept the fact that Muhammad was only a warner, no more, no less.
In S 7:179 we read: *And we have created for Jahannam many of jinn and man.* They have hearts they do not comprehend with and they have eyes they do not see with. And they have ears they do not hear with. Those are like cattle, rather, they are more astray. Those, they are the heedless.
'Cloaked One'. Was Allah's boss practising mysticism? See Islam Critiqued videos.
I wonder if you guys will ever be able to write articles for Answering Islam?
39:55 "I know, I know for sure
Ding, dang, dong, dong, deng, deng, dong, dong, ding, dang
I know, I know it's you
Ding, dang, dong, dong, deng, deng, dong, dong, ding, dang"
- Prophet Red Hot Chili Peppers, peace be upon them
I love d way Mary said "just bcos lala was too stupid to articulate what d Christians believe doesn't mean u too should"
My post, The Ummi Prophet
S 7:157 Those who follow the messenger, the ummi prophet, whom they find written with them in the Torah and the Injil. He commands them kindness and forbids them baseness and declares lawful for them the good things and declares unlawful for them the bad and lays their burden from them and the shackles that were on them. So those who have believed in him and aided him and helped him and followed the light that was sent down with him, those are the successful.
S 7:158 Say: People, I am Allah’s messenger to you all, the one whose is the dominion of the skies and the Earth. There is no god but him. He vivifies and causes to die. So believe in Allah and his messenger, the ummi prophet, the one who believes in Allah and his words, and follow him; perhaps you will be guided.
I am strongly of the opinion that the author's word ummi is a form of the word umami 'gentile'. Today the word he uses bears the signification of 'illiterate', although it also means 'maternal', but there's no good reason to assume that he was illiterate. Definitely not maternal :)) Let's consider a few ahadith.
Narrated Sa`id bin Jubair:
that he heard Ibn `Abbas saying, "Thursday! And you know not what Thursday is? After that Ibn `Abbas wept till the stones on the ground were soaked with his tears. On that I asked Ibn `Abbas, "What is (about) Thursday?" He said, "When the condition (i.e. health) of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) deteriorated, he said, 'Bring me a bone of scapula, so that I may write something for you after which you will never go astray.'The people differed in their opinions although it was improper to differ in front of a prophet, They said, 'What is wrong with him? Do you think he is delirious? Ask him (to understand). The Prophet (ﷺ) replied, 'Leave me as I am in a better state than what you are asking me to do.' Then the Prophet (ﷺ) ordered them to do three things saying, 'Turn out all the pagans from the Arabian Peninsula, show respect to all foreign delegates by giving them gifts as I used to do.' " The sub-narrator added, "The third order was something beneficial which either Ibn `Abbas did not mention or he mentioned but I forgot.'
[bukhari/58/10]
Narrated Ibn `Abbas:
When the time of the death of the Prophet (ﷺ) approached while there were some men in the house, and among them was `Umar bin Al-Khatttab, the Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Come near let me write for you a writing after which you will never go astray." `Umar said, "The Prophet (ﷺ) is seriously ill, and you have the Qur'an, so Allah's Book is sufficient for us." The people in the house differed and disputed. Some of them said, "Come near so that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) may write for you a writing after which you will not go astray," while some of them said what `Umar said. When they made much noise and differed greatly before the Prophet, he said to them, "Go away and leave me." Ibn `Abbas used to say, "It was a great disaster that their difference and noise prevented Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) from writing that writing for them.
[bukhari/96/93]
He wants to write something 'so that Muslims wouldn't stray (!)
In the next one he finds his self-assumed title in a document and erases it, effectively denying being a messenger or prophet.
Narrated Al-Bara:
When the Prophet (ﷺ) intended to perform the `Umra he sent a person to the people of Mecca asking their permission to enter Mecca. They stipulated that he would not stay for more than three days and would not enter it except with sheathed arms and would not preach (Islam) to any of them. So `Ali bin Abi- Talib started writing the treaty between them. He wrote, "This is what Muhammad, Apostle of Allah has agreed to." The (Meccans) said, "If we knew that you (Muhammad) are the Messenger of Allah, then we would not have prevented you and would have followed you. But write, 'This is what Muhammad bin `Abdullah has agreed to..' " On that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "By Allah, I am Muhammad bin `Abdullah, and, by Allah, I am Apostle of 'Allah." Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) used not to write; so he asked `Ali to erase the expression of Apostle of Allah. On that `Ali said, "By Allah I will never erase it." Allah's Apostle said (to `Ali), "Let me see the paper." When `Ali showed him the paper, the Prophet (ﷺ) erased the expression with his own hand. When Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) had entered Mecca and three days had elapsed, the Meccans came to `Ali and said, "Let your friend (i.e. the Prophet) quit Mecca." `Ali informed Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) about it and Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "Yes," and then he departed.
[bukhari/58/26]
My post, Names For Hell
The qurans have a number of names for hell.
1 The Fire. This is probably the commonest one and it occurs in some 102 verses.
2 Jahannam. This occurs in some 77 verses. This is ultimately from the Hebrew Ge Hinnom, Valley of Hinnom'. In English we speak of Gehenna.
3 The Blaze. This occurs in some eight verses.
4 Saqar. This occurs in some four verses.
5 Hawiyah, which occurs once, is often included. But this word is likely a pre-Islamic term for the Underworld. In the Arabic Bible it translates the Hebrew term Sheol and the Greek term Abyssos 'Abyss'.
6 Jahim. This occurs in some 26 verses. If we compare the words Jahim and Jahannam in unpointed Arabic, which the early script was, we find: ححٮم and حهٮم. The second letter of Jahim, reading from right to left, is a guttural 'h' sound and that in Jahannam a regular 'h' sound.
7 Laza. Occurs once.
LAZA لظى
“Fire, flame.” A division, of stage in hell, mentioned in the Qur’an, Surah lxx. 15. - Al-Baghawi, the commentator, says it is that portion of hell which is reserved for the Christians who have not believed in Muhammad. [HELL.]
Based on Hughes, Dictionary of Islam
Laza
8 Hutamah occurs twice.
Some recognise seven names for hell but I have included 'The Fire'.
Created for hell: 'A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said:
Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of Paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because *God created for Paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins.* muslim:2662c
As an armchair psychologist, I suspect Adnan has some pretty serious mental struggles and he is possibly terrified Islam is gonna ‘take over’, he actually used those words. It may be a ‘if you can’t beat em, join em’ thing in his head. I actually feel terrible for him no insult intended.
@TooManyMarys I don't think I heard correctly, I apologize for not tracking did you say that we Christian's believe in prophets after jesus death ? Or the bahi faith believes their are prophets after jesus death ?
S 74:31 وَمَا هِيَ إِلَّا ذِكْرَىٰ لِلْبَشَرِ 'And it is nothing but a remembrance for the human being.' 'It' here is the feminine pronoun. As 'fire' is of feminine grammatical gender, does the author mean that Hell is a remembrance? Who knows?! :))
This was one of the most painful livestreams you've ever presented, particularly from 3:42. The only plus to that interchange was that Islam was proven again to be a fraud. Please don't do that to me again, and by that I mean, don't allow that man back on again!
It would have been better for Islam, if Muslims had of been honest about the unreliable reality of oral tradition, binned all haddith, and accepted that the Qur'an is unintelligble without made up haddith. That way, all Muslims could be far more accommodating toward each other and non-Muslims (hopefully), and they wouldn't have to spend their whole lives worrying about their prayer performance. Dawah is a Disease.☠
‘Casinos are taxes on the mathematically illiterate and eternally hopeful.’ Brilliant quote Mary! I literally saved that on my phone it’s so great.
Soccer is a sport where two teams try to kick a ball into the opposing team's goal. That's what soccer is.
Abdool Adnan, come and join at Christian Prince live stream if you want to learn Arabic.
CP has a stupid accent.
I think Adnan was trolling you a bit. With that I mean he mostly meant what he said, and there were some things of your position he didn't understand while you probably also didn't understand all of his positions. But he seems to deal with some of your aggression by an occasional trolling as in overstating a position which he doesn't mean in specifically that way. I appreciate Adnan doing that.
@toomanymarys speaking of genealogy, why does your God have genealogy with Rahab the Harlot? So, it turns out Rahab the harlot was "before" your God, adding to yet another paradox in your theology. So, "before Abraham, I am" was bluff after all!
HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Translation “you got me and I can’t back up my beliefs so I’m going to laugh at you as if I have proof of what I believe”
An intelligent, well considered refutation....if that is the best you can do, you really shoukd leave the most obviously false religion.
They are abusing you with their lies. Jesus can help. He is the way, the truth and the life
Hello christians. If you prove that
1.jesus is sinless.
2.jesus is liar..
3.jesus is the first and last.
Choose one of this and prove without contradiction with logic i am ready for accept your christianity.
If you could not can you leave this cult
You’re not even ready for a properly executed complete sentence.
@@Diego-uthamanburnttheOGs
Stay as an Abdool. We are not giving our Jewels to Pigs.
@@Diego-uthamanburnttheOGs plz prove jesus is sinless. Give me ref??do not try my language is week. Read bible.etc.prove he is sinless
@@zulfiqarashraf5619 here it goes but I bet money that you will say this isn’t evidence.
Maryam 19:19
قَالَ إِنَّمَآ أَنَا۠ رَسُولُ رَبِّكِ لِأَهَبَ لَكِ غُلَٰمًا زَكِيًّا
He said, "I am only the messenger of your Lord to give you [news of] a pure boy [i.e., son]."
What does Pure mean?
Here is the Yusuf Ali translation
Maryam 19:19
قَالَ إِنَّمَآ أَنَا۠ رَسُولُ رَبِّكِ لِأَهَبَ لَكِ غُلَٰمًا زَكِيًّا
He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son.
What does Holy mean?
I like Mary, she is bold.