Yeah the heartache they must all have is horrible. Interested to see how Scott is with Jean as she remembers it all but you don’t no when they were switched
It frustrates the hell out of me that not a single filmmaker seems to have any interest in using Mr. Sinister as the villain of an X-Men movie. He is genuinely one of the top 3 best villains in the entire franchise.
@@mcpics4448 I disagree. I think villains like Magneto, Bolivar Trask, the Sentinels, William Stryker and Sebastian Shaw were done very well in those movies. I personally don’t care if it would be underwhelming. I just want to see my favorite Marvel villain in a movie finally. I was hoping Deadpool 3 would finally do it, but once again they seem to have no interest in using Mister Sinister.
If they could completely change his looks sure. Even as a kid I never cared for him cuz he just looks way too goofy lol. Even here he's supposed to be scary and I'm like, "Just hit him with a stick or something..."
I can freely admit that there’s been times I felt my theories are better than what was actually done… I can also freely admit that I don’t feel that way here; the way they handled Jean and Madelyn, the ambiguity of when the latter replaced the other, was very effective and done with good regard for the characters. I especially felt that Maddie was a prop in the comics, at least before her eventual resurrection, but here they recognise her humanity and need for validation outside of Jean and Scott… And on that, Scott is so well-written here; he’s handling these emotional hurdles with a lot of maturity considering his baggage, and the unfairness of the situation. Not to mention Sinister being a great villain, here.
Could not agree more with what you have said here. Loved how Madelyn, Scott and Jean were done here. Keeping it a mystery when they were switched will spark so many fans discussion. Love this show
Spoiler free info for people: In the comics Jean really died, so the writers created a character named madelyn pryor who looked a lot like her (playing off the whole doppelganger thing where they say there's a one in a trillion chances someone just like you could exist), and Scott fell in love with her. He kept being obsessed with her maybe being some sort of reincarnation somehow or something (because the phoenix could've reincarnated her) until finally one day he asked her, "Are you Jean?", she got mad, they got over it. And the whole point was for Scott to grieve over Jean, let it go, then he fell in love with Madelyn for who she is. Then the author got super pissed when in later runs other authors brought Jean back to life, retconned her whole backstory into being a clone, and essentially Scott just leaves her and the baby to be with Jean... Many fans and critics said it was butchering Scott's character, and his whole "I can't be here for this" is sort of a nod to that whole really character butchering arc. In the comics Madelyn eventually goes super dark, angry for being abandoned, and goes evil, anti hero, good, evil, anti hero, good in so many times but she literally becomes a sort of general of hell and commands some corners of hell. That X-Men Morph turns into, the blond girl, is a nod to that, that's Madelyn's rival in hell kind of. That whole arc, where she brings people to hell is called "Inferno". So when she called it her inferno it was an easter egg to that too.
Thank you for the great detail. I have ready inferno and whole magik is kinda of her main character to fight but the info before about being a doppelgänger is really cool going to go and find that story Love all the cameos morph is bringing to the show
Jean: (shows up at mansion and immediately faints) Any fan if the original should have realized she was the real Jean at that point. The clone hasnt fainted once this episode!
You guys know so much about the comics, i only know things about this characters because i saw xmen original movies, but i love scott, jean and storm and wolwerine so i gave this show a try, it's really good, i'll watch the original one once i have a little free time
21:03 The image of the classic X-Men in this shot is based on the cover by Steve rude. And the group shot of the modern X-Men is based on Arthur Adams poster.
23:13 he didn't abandon you, Scott. He thought you and Alex were dead when he saw your parachute catch fire after he made you guys bail out of the plane.
Interesting that they're expanding Morph's friendship with Logan as a one-sided love interest. I also think it's interesting that in the previous seasons, Illyana Rasputin was still a child, but this episode revealed that the Belasco storyline has already happened behind the scenes as the beginner Magik persona was shown and the advanced Darkchilde persona was shown as well. I do think that it's interesting that Gambit hasn't yet confronted Rogue about her ties to Magneto, but is just telling her "everything is good". I'm kinda interested in seeing if Corsair shows up again, after Scott's emotional father abandonment comment. Same goes with wrapping up the Scott / Alex siblings revelation that didn't quite happen in the prior X-Factor episode. P.S. Rob rocks
Anything to do with Scott I am all in for. I will say on am hoping for some more gambit and rogue scenes. Taken a little bit of a back seat in the opening 3 episodes. But god dam what a show it’s everything I was hoping for and more
I like the idea that the real Jean WAS the Phoenix and could welcome it soon again !!! I can’t wait for that Storm x Forge storyline even tho it’s sad at the end. Mystique is the blond UN girl if I’m wrong I’m not a mystique fan anymore
The show is very fast paced, but I guess that’s because there’s only 10 episodes. I prefer animated series with 20+ episodes so the character arcs feel less rushed. This show has quite a bit of that 90s cheesiness but it’s still fun.
I kinda of like it not being explained. Then everyone can make up their own theories and also does it matter? They are both Jean and now their minds have merged when fighting they both have the exact same memory. How Scott is going to deal with this is going to be interesting
@@LegendsofPodcasting Not just Scott, but Jean also. She learned how truly deep Wolverine's feelings are for her. It would be interesting to see Cyclops on the opposite side of the love triangle. It could be used to further set up the Age of Apocalypse story line, where the professor was killed, Magneto leads the X-men, and Jean/Wolverine are a couple. Heck Magneto and Rogue are even married in that timeline and have a son.
@@LegendsofPodcasting I do think that the original is the one who was Phoenix.. that mind battle proved as much! I mean she put homegirl in the palm of her hand!! I don’t think we’ve seen the last of this arch
Thing is, “One Man’s Worth” was essentially Age of Apocalypse… In fact, it was the *original* idea, which the comics adopted (but the comic came out first because it’s faster to create than a whole animated episode, let alone a two-part one).
This show seems successful but I don’t want this to start a trend of bringing back other old animated series just for nostalgia sake. I would rather see new series that have a new feel and take on the characters. The Spider-Man animated series wasn’t even the best Spider-Man cartoon.
@@dramonmaster222 Ah, okay. I was wondering if it was some abbreviation I'm officially too old to know, but Urban Dictionary didn't say anything about it 😂
That really hit me cos Scott hasn’t fully dealt with the situation with his dad but it’s also a good call back to the 92 show when it’s just the 2 of them on the run from he shiar. Some of the horror in this was crazy. Couldn’t get away with that in 92
Poor Sunspot in this episode like "I just came over for Netflix and chill!"
Yeah. Jubilee obviously paged him. 😂
I'm glad they brought back the same voice actor (Chris Britton) to play Mr. Sinister. Love it.
Yeah he sounds even scarier this time round. Hope we see him again
Rogue and Magneto weren’t actually in the danger room, Gambit said they were on patrol. Morph was just making fun of Gambit.
Was a funny line from a dark horror episode though. Was a 3rd episode.
This is so much better than the comics. You feel sympathy for Scott, Jean, and Madelyn. I just wish it was more than one episode.
Yeah the heartache they must all have is horrible. Interested to see how Scott is with Jean as she remembers it all but you don’t no when they were switched
It frustrates the hell out of me that not a single filmmaker seems to have any interest in using Mr. Sinister as the villain of an X-Men movie. He is genuinely one of the top 3 best villains in the entire franchise.
I say it’s a good thing really. They would have mess it up like they done so many others
@@mcpics4448 I disagree. I think villains like Magneto, Bolivar Trask, the Sentinels, William Stryker and Sebastian Shaw were done very well in those movies. I personally don’t care if it would be underwhelming. I just want to see my favorite Marvel villain in a movie finally. I was hoping Deadpool 3 would finally do it, but once again they seem to have no interest in using Mister Sinister.
If they could completely change his looks sure. Even as a kid I never cared for him cuz he just looks way too goofy lol. Even here he's supposed to be scary and I'm like, "Just hit him with a stick or something..."
He always came off as very campy, and was just another overpowered event villain like Onslaught.
I believe they are using sinister as the first villain of the first X-men marvel movie
I can freely admit that there’s been times I felt my theories are better than what was actually done… I can also freely admit that I don’t feel that way here; the way they handled Jean and Madelyn, the ambiguity of when the latter replaced the other, was very effective and done with good regard for the characters. I especially felt that Maddie was a prop in the comics, at least before her eventual resurrection, but here they recognise her humanity and need for validation outside of Jean and Scott… And on that, Scott is so well-written here; he’s handling these emotional hurdles with a lot of maturity considering his baggage, and the unfairness of the situation.
Not to mention Sinister being a great villain, here.
Could not agree more with what you have said here. Loved how Madelyn, Scott and Jean were done here. Keeping it a mystery when they were switched will spark so many fans discussion. Love this show
They love showing them off with peak displays of power before removing them from the main crew.
Spoiler free info for people: In the comics Jean really died, so the writers created a character named madelyn pryor who looked a lot like her (playing off the whole doppelganger thing where they say there's a one in a trillion chances someone just like you could exist), and Scott fell in love with her. He kept being obsessed with her maybe being some sort of reincarnation somehow or something (because the phoenix could've reincarnated her) until finally one day he asked her, "Are you Jean?", she got mad, they got over it. And the whole point was for Scott to grieve over Jean, let it go, then he fell in love with Madelyn for who she is. Then the author got super pissed when in later runs other authors brought Jean back to life, retconned her whole backstory into being a clone, and essentially Scott just leaves her and the baby to be with Jean... Many fans and critics said it was butchering Scott's character, and his whole "I can't be here for this" is sort of a nod to that whole really character butchering arc. In the comics Madelyn eventually goes super dark, angry for being abandoned, and goes evil, anti hero, good, evil, anti hero, good in so many times but she literally becomes a sort of general of hell and commands some corners of hell. That X-Men Morph turns into, the blond girl, is a nod to that, that's Madelyn's rival in hell kind of. That whole arc, where she brings people to hell is called "Inferno". So when she called it her inferno it was an easter egg to that too.
Well done.
Thank you for the great detail. I have ready inferno and whole magik is kinda of her main character to fight but the info before about being a doppelgänger is really cool going to go and find that story
Love all the cameos morph is bringing to the show
This is actually so much better. No one is the bad guy here.
Well… nobody except the esteemed Dr. Nathaniel Essex, of course.
Might have not noticed, but Storm is gone from the opening character cards.
Oh crap you’re right. Hope she’s gets back on them soon
Guessing bishops going to be missing from them as well 😭
The visuals were so on point this episode. Seeing Cyclops charge up Bishop with his optic blast was awesome. Poor Magneto got demolished.
Yeah always wanted to see cyclops do that. So sad bishops gone, at least for now.
Showing jean at omega level is always nice to see
Jean: (shows up at mansion and immediately faints)
Any fan if the original should have realized she was the real Jean at that point. The clone hasnt fainted once this episode!
Hahaha. It’s sad but true. Like her getting rid of hell and then fainting
I will never be able to think about the Danger Room the same. Ever. Again. Great reaction guys.
Haha. You are welcome. More to come I am sure
You guys know so much about the comics, i only know things about this characters because i saw xmen original movies, but i love scott, jean and storm and wolwerine so i gave this show a try, it's really good, i'll watch the original one once i have a little free time
The original show is how we know so much about x-men. It’s slower paced than this one being 30 years old but does a great job at character development
21:03 The image of the classic X-Men in this shot is based on the cover by Steve rude. And the group shot of the modern X-Men is based on Arthur Adams poster.
23:13 he didn't abandon you, Scott. He thought you and Alex were dead when he saw your parachute catch fire after he made you guys bail out of the plane.
Also got kidnapped by the shi-ar empire for many years.
I do love the episode when it’s just those to on the run
Interesting that they're expanding Morph's friendship with Logan as a one-sided love interest. I also think it's interesting that in the previous seasons, Illyana Rasputin was still a child, but this episode revealed that the Belasco storyline has already happened behind the scenes as the beginner Magik persona was shown and the advanced Darkchilde persona was shown as well. I do think that it's interesting that Gambit hasn't yet confronted Rogue about her ties to Magneto, but is just telling her "everything is good". I'm kinda interested in seeing if Corsair shows up again, after Scott's emotional father abandonment comment. Same goes with wrapping up the Scott / Alex siblings revelation that didn't quite happen in the prior X-Factor episode. P.S. Rob rocks
Anything to do with Scott I am all in for. I will say on am hoping for some more gambit and rogue scenes. Taken a little bit of a back seat in the opening 3 episodes.
But god dam what a show it’s everything I was hoping for and more
Man the X Men 97 series goes hard. The series didn't need to be this good. The future X Men and MCU movies are in trouble.
I like the idea that the real Jean WAS the Phoenix and could welcome it soon again !!! I can’t wait for that Storm x Forge storyline even tho it’s sad at the end. Mystique is the blond UN girl if I’m wrong I’m not a mystique fan anymore
Yeah I can’t wait to see where it goes
From what I have heard (because I don’t read X-Men comics) the blond girl Morph turned into was Magik who was like Madelyn’s rival in hell
@@zeldagameryt4018 nooo i mean the blond UN girl the “human” who got the glasses in the first and second ep. The friend of Charle X hh
@@purplemace6866 ooooooohhhhh. Sorry
@@zeldagameryt4018 dw ahaha
The show is very fast paced, but I guess that’s because there’s only 10 episodes. I prefer animated series with 20+ episodes so the character arcs feel less rushed. This show has quite a bit of that 90s cheesiness but it’s still fun.
It has to be explained when the switch happened
I kinda of like it not being explained. Then everyone can make up their own theories and also does it matter? They are both Jean and now their minds have merged when fighting they both have the exact same memory.
How Scott is going to deal with this is going to be interesting
@@LegendsofPodcasting Not just Scott, but Jean also. She learned how truly deep Wolverine's feelings are for her. It would be interesting to see Cyclops on the opposite side of the love triangle. It could be used to further set up the Age of Apocalypse story line, where the professor was killed, Magneto leads the X-men, and Jean/Wolverine are a couple. Heck Magneto and Rogue are even married in that timeline and have a son.
@@LegendsofPodcasting I do think that the original is the one who was Phoenix.. that mind battle proved as much! I mean she put homegirl in the palm of her hand!! I don’t think we’ve seen the last of this arch
Thing is, “One Man’s Worth” was essentially Age of Apocalypse… In fact, it was the *original* idea, which the comics adopted (but the comic came out first because it’s faster to create than a whole animated episode, let alone a two-part one).
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This show seems successful but I don’t want this to start a trend of bringing back other old animated series just for nostalgia sake. I would rather see new series that have a new feel and take on the characters. The Spider-Man animated series wasn’t even the best Spider-Man cartoon.
Scott: Don't you know what it feels like to be abandoned,?!
*Then proceeds to leave son*
And what a creepy eps. But it was Awesome.
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@@IceMetalPunk Fixed it.
@@dramonmaster222 Ah, okay. I was wondering if it was some abbreviation I'm officially too old to know, but Urban Dictionary didn't say anything about it 😂
That really hit me cos Scott hasn’t fully dealt with the situation with his dad but it’s also a good call back to the 92 show when it’s just the 2 of them on the run from he shiar.
Some of the horror in this was crazy. Couldn’t get away with that in 92
Just imagine (pun intended) an adaptation of Grant Morrison's New X-men run in this animation style 🤤
It would be amazing to watch