One of the appeals of purity I'd argue is its scarcity in the real world, and the association of scarcity with value. The purer and more unobtainable the better in the imagining of some beholders.
I think the idea of purity is a good thing. I think this idea is so widespread because it is generally true that living a pure morally upright lifestyle leads to a happier, healthier life not just for the individual but for the society as a whole. Even though neanderthals were larger and stronger than homo sapiens, they were less social and therefore less effective as a group than we were and were eventually out-competed by us and went extinct. The idea of being “pure” which really just boils down to being socially beneficial, is deeply rooted in the human psyche and I think it’s good to have an unchanging and unattainable goal for purity. We’re human, we’ll never be perfect, but if we set up a goal that IS perfect then that’s a goal we can trust, a goal we don’t have to worry about modifying, and is something we can always use as a guide for when we feel unsure of what action to take in life. We’ll never be perfect, but if we look at perfection and compare it to ourselves then we can always see which aspects of ourselves can be improved upon to become better versions of ourselves, and I think that’s a good thing. The bad thing about it is when it becomes an obsession or a reason to view yourself negatively, which is often the case when the idea of purity takes on a religious role.
At age 50 I feel need to be a Humanist. Tried to be a good Catholic all my life. It taught me many good things, but also bad. The notion that you MUST attend mass every Sunday as a mark of being in a "state of grace" is WAY off mark. Got tired of following a set of Rules being a badge that I am a good person and will go to heaven. Going into Nature and Communing w God there is more powerful for me as there is no separation. My monument to God is thankfulness that I can Co-Create Beauty with the gods. So much to Celebrate... Why are people so Uptight? Shows they do NOT trust God!!
I suppose this is more of a critique on calvinistic Americanism, rather than dogmatic Calvinism and its implications right? Because the calvinism presented in the video is very, very different from real calvinism, both historic and present. Also there was factual errors, such as Calvin's involvement in Geneva, he was not in charge, in fact he was temporarily banished from Geneva, and was not in charge of the execution of Servetus.
On your point about people not accepting the world is a mixed stated of good and not good, better and worse, this is actually the stance Zoroastrianism takes. It is our belief that we live in the current “mixed” existence but that the world is a fundamentally good place that will progressing towards its ideal state. So, it is our goal to grow as people and help the world grow in the better. The final end will be when everything is made new, all humans to ever exist will, presumably, be resurrected within their bodies, and all will be able to experience an existence which is wholly order according to Asha (Vedic: rta, ‘the laws which order existence). It’s clear that this is a supposed to be a very iterative process where morality is subjective to the current state of the world. For example, in summaries of a mixing Avestan book (the spand Nask) the first renovator, ushedar, makes the world near perfect, but humans still eat and kill animals, although the animals do consent to it. In the millennium of the following one, Ushedarma, humans reach the point where they can wholly subsist on vegetables and milk. Zoroastrianism did have it own streak of purity, although, as you may be aware, the concern seemed to be wholly on disease and pollutants. The Vendidad is a much later book, and considering nearly 90% of the Avesta is lost, it’s hard to tell to what extent the Vendidad type Zoroastrians were a sect just like Puritanism. I personally think the creation of the Silk Road led to widespread outbreaks in Central Asia/Iran which led to this mentality. Your wisdom is much enjoyed as always.
26:20> one of my all-time favorite songs, El Condor Pasa by Simon & Garfunkel, has on many occasions of re-listening and re-enjoying that song, evolved my “human” imagination to seriously ponder a real sense of preference of NOT being whatever is “human”… Oh how amazingly BETTER OFF this planet would be, had parasitic humanity, never occurred in the first place! Perhaps some life form from a galaxy far far away, would eventually discover this little blue dot & appreciate it or, mess it all up all the same
Did you read Violence and the Sacred in preparation for this lecture? Also have you had a transcendent or mystical experience? I would be interested in the answer because you seem so non-metaphysical
Moral purity it's a biblical and christian ethical doctrine not only calvinist. And it strongly seems that impurity and immorality is the destructive and chaotic issue here. One must be morally blind and corrupted to invert the things in this manner.
I'm not Calvinist, but I'm not surprised you hate them so much. You like being your own god. Well, your views are nothing new. Such beliefs have been around since the beginning. Purity is not the thing you are describing. Purity is not the cause of suffering, injustice, and pain. To pursue it, whether theist or atheist will only improve the human species. Evolution or not, change equals life, whether temporal or eternal. To remain as we are now equals death. It's our choice.
@@ZanarkandIsntReal I was kind of being sarcastic. The truth is humanity is weak at its core. Left to our own devices we will destroy everything God created will be happy to do so. A least the rich, wealthy, powerful, and attractive people will have most of the fun. Well... before they end up worm food. Point is, purity is not something we can work for, it's the gift of God to His people. Everyone else can die like a regular human. Righteousness is truly super-human.
I am the most pure. And the most humble. Doesn't get more humble and pure than me 😇
One of the appeals of purity I'd argue is its scarcity in the real world, and the association of scarcity with value. The purer and more unobtainable the better in the imagining of some beholders.
I think the idea of purity is a good thing. I think this idea is so widespread because it is generally true that living a pure morally upright lifestyle leads to a happier, healthier life not just for the individual but for the society as a whole. Even though neanderthals were larger and stronger than homo sapiens, they were less social and therefore less effective as a group than we were and were eventually out-competed by us and went extinct. The idea of being “pure” which really just boils down to being socially beneficial, is deeply rooted in the human psyche and I think it’s good to have an unchanging and unattainable goal for purity. We’re human, we’ll never be perfect, but if we set up a goal that IS perfect then that’s a goal we can trust, a goal we don’t have to worry about modifying, and is something we can always use as a guide for when we feel unsure of what action to take in life. We’ll never be perfect, but if we look at perfection and compare it to ourselves then we can always see which aspects of ourselves can be improved upon to become better versions of ourselves, and I think that’s a good thing. The bad thing about it is when it becomes an obsession or a reason to view yourself negatively, which is often the case when the idea of purity takes on a religious role.
this was such a good and thought provoking talk!!! "people really like being human" made me smile so big
Yay. You should make an exhaustive series exploring everything Calvinism has influenced 😭
He seems to be working on that exact object.
At age 50 I feel need to be a Humanist. Tried to be a good Catholic all my life. It taught me many good things, but also bad. The notion that you MUST attend mass every Sunday as a mark of being in a "state of grace" is WAY off mark. Got tired of following a set of Rules being a badge that I am a good person and will go to heaven. Going into Nature and Communing w God there is more powerful for me as there is no separation. My monument to God is thankfulness that I can Co-Create Beauty with the gods. So much to Celebrate... Why are people so Uptight? Shows they do NOT trust God!!
I suppose this is more of a critique on calvinistic Americanism, rather than dogmatic Calvinism and its implications right? Because the calvinism presented in the video is very, very different from real calvinism, both historic and present.
Also there was factual errors, such as Calvin's involvement in Geneva, he was not in charge, in fact he was temporarily banished from Geneva, and was not in charge of the execution of Servetus.
On your point about people not accepting the world is a mixed stated of good and not good, better and worse, this is actually the stance Zoroastrianism takes. It is our belief that we live in the current “mixed” existence but that the world is a fundamentally good place that will progressing towards its ideal state. So, it is our goal to grow as people and help the world grow in the better. The final end will be when everything is made new, all humans to ever exist will, presumably, be resurrected within their bodies, and all will be able to experience an existence which is wholly order according to Asha (Vedic: rta, ‘the laws which order existence). It’s clear that this is a supposed to be a very iterative process where morality is subjective to the current state of the world. For example, in summaries of a mixing Avestan book (the spand Nask) the first renovator, ushedar, makes the world near perfect, but humans still eat and kill animals, although the animals do consent to it. In the millennium of the following one, Ushedarma, humans reach the point where they can wholly subsist on vegetables and milk.
Zoroastrianism did have it own streak of purity, although, as you may be aware, the concern seemed to be wholly on disease and pollutants. The Vendidad is a much later book, and considering nearly 90% of the Avesta is lost, it’s hard to tell to what extent the Vendidad type Zoroastrians were a sect just like Puritanism. I personally think the creation of the Silk Road led to widespread outbreaks in Central Asia/Iran which led to this mentality.
Your wisdom is much enjoyed as always.
your retarded
26:20> one of my all-time favorite songs, El Condor Pasa by Simon & Garfunkel, has on many occasions of re-listening and re-enjoying that song, evolved my “human” imagination to seriously ponder a real sense of preference of NOT being whatever is “human”…
Oh how amazingly BETTER OFF this planet would be, had parasitic humanity, never occurred in the first place!
Perhaps some life form from a galaxy far far away, would eventually discover this little blue dot & appreciate it or, mess it all up all the same
Did you read Violence and the Sacred in preparation for this lecture? Also have you had a transcendent or mystical experience? I would be interested in the answer because you seem so non-metaphysical
When is the schedule released for your 2025 philosophic retreat in France?
Moral purity it's a biblical and christian ethical doctrine not only calvinist. And it strongly seems that impurity and immorality is the destructive and chaotic issue here. One must be morally blind and corrupted to invert the things in this manner.
I'm not Calvinist, but I'm not surprised you hate them so much. You like being your own god. Well, your views are nothing new. Such beliefs have been around since the beginning. Purity is not the thing you are describing. Purity is not the cause of suffering, injustice, and pain. To pursue it, whether theist or atheist will only improve the human species. Evolution or not, change equals life, whether temporal or eternal. To remain as we are now equals death. It's our choice.
You're wrong. You keep trying to jam a square peg in a round hole and you're bound to break it.
It's all a big distraction
@@ZanarkandIsntReal I was kind of being sarcastic. The truth is humanity is weak at its core. Left to our own devices we will destroy everything God created will be happy to do so. A least the rich, wealthy, powerful, and attractive people will have most of the fun. Well... before they end up worm food. Point is, purity is not something we can work for, it's the gift of God to His people. Everyone else can die like a regular human. Righteousness is truly super-human.