I think it's worth noting that you're limited to 3 Pikmin types at a time, so you're not always gonna have purples with you unlike in 2. Since most players will just go with the 3 types that the game recommends you use for any given area/cave, which doesn't include purples very often, it makes them feel much more unique when you do get to use them. If they didn't have that strong initial thud attack, you might as well always go with Rock Pikmin instead of purples since they also are great fighters and have a strong "collision" attack, not to mention they're immune to getting crushed unlike purples. In my opinion the purples are very well balanced in this game. Not to mention the purple union is at the end of the long and challenging sage leaf gauntlet, most players won't get it until very late into the game, if not during post-game *after* the main story, so it's not a big deal that you can "easily" farm them at some point.
Actually, you can ONLY get the purple onion in the postgame since the leaf sage trials only unlock after clearing Olimar’s Shipwreck Tale. Also yooooo PJiggles what’s good
@EnharmonicYT no I got all the onions before I fought the final boss I just did Olimars story all in one go but it was late in the game fs during the final area for me at least
@EnharmonicYT no I got all the onions before I fought the final boss I just did Olimars story all in one go but it was late in the game fs during the final area for me at least
I love the balancing in Pikmin 4 when it comes to Pikmin types. Limiting the "special" Pikmin types until late-game is so genius, and I was so shocked when I started encountering the Onions for those types.
There is a valid point however in thr fact that there arent many exploration or combat puzzles in the overworld for the special piks because of that reason. Theyre only relegated to caves or dandori challenges.
@@thekirbycrafter7229I'm okay with how they handled rock pikmin, being only really useful in caves, but winged pikmin did get the short end of the stick in this game even with caves included
@@thekirbycrafter7229 Tbh, the maps in this game are kinda dull, seeing as they stretched out the content into an area that's unnecessarily big. This is the first Pikmin game I've beaten and, even though I thoroughly enjoyed it, I feel like I would have had a better experience in one of the earlier games.
@@wurtknurte7283 yeah I absolutely adore this game, but the overworld map designs were lackluster. Luckily they weren't super big but they definitely could have cooked these for longer. I think it's just that the game went thru dev hell since it was probably in dev during the transition to switch, and the game is very ambitious in terms of content and scope.
@@wurtknurte7283 as someone whos beaten all four games, i fully agree. although pikmin 4 for the most part was pretty great overall i found that there were just things here and there that could've used some more time in the oven. i really hoped it wouldve been like pikmin 3's overworld- arguably the best in the series, but sadly most, if not all of the gameplay took place in caves like pikmin 2, whereas the surface was kinda just there to get you to the caves and had very little engagement or content
@@babbit09I went for the purple onion because I did not want to go back and spend a day at Serene Shores just to get reenter Engulfing Castle repeatedly to farm purple candypop flowers, so to me it was worth it.
Pikmin 4 is definitely the most balanced. The only Pikmin that were somewhat underutilized were the Winged Pikmin, which don't have a lot of specific required uses. Pretty much every other type has a lot of required puzzles and hazards and the fact that you can only have 3 types at once further helps to make every type feel useful. For the first half of the game, I found it super underwhelming how little the reds were used. Blue Pikmin and Ice Pikmin had the most use, and there were puzzles and high places for Yellows... but then during the second half of the game they introduced a new mechanic with the burning charcoals to make reds useful again! They even had a cave in the house area that could only be entered with reds (I wish they had one for yellows too though... blues had the Engulfed Castle, but yellows didn't get their own cave). Winged and Rocks don't have as much main story use, but they make up for it by being utilized more in the Dandori challenges.
I like Wingeds not having required blocks anymore, because it balances them out. Now they're basically the purples for carrying. They're basically invincible when carrying (and can take shortcuts) but bringing them with you means you can't deal with an Hazard that taking another type could. Trading commodity for efficency, like bringing purples for combat. Tho, I wish they weren't this rare lol. I litteraly completed the main story without seeing one.
@@yurei4414Most of the time I use winged pikmin on the surface, they take the same paths as the others. The only times I seen them take shortcuts are in the caves
@@deadmeme739I do notice that their pathing can sometimes just be the same as a normal pikmin. To be fair there is still upside is that they can fly over enemies sometimes (Also they might have faster carry speed than whites in some situations, someone fact check me on this)
I think making the purple onion the most difficult to obtain provides much of the balance. They are the strongest but there are still creatures and hazards that can hurt your population. Having an unlimited source of purples in the endgame is a great reward for players who put in the effort to get there.
Purples are balanced (mostly) by; -being unlocked late in the game -their Onion being locked behind hard Dandori battles -having to choose them as one of the three types you're limited to per dungeon
I’ve been testing purple pikmin’s impact damage! they usually deal double or more the impact damage of rock pikmin, it varies per enemy, but purple’s impact damage doesn’t activate during oatchi rushes, they also only deal the same damage as red pikmin if they fail to activate their impact damage. This differs from rock pikmin who can’t latch on at all but their impact damage activates during oatchi rushes, rushing with rocks on oatchi is like throwing half the number of purple pikmin except it registers instantly. I think purples slam is still a little too powerful, it should probably be the same as rocks so they’re like a compromise between rocks and reds imo.
Well said. The balance of purples and rocks just feels like it’s in a weird spot. Currently, purples do a better job at what rock Pikmin should be doing with throw impact. Rocks don’t really have a use outside of breaking glass. I will say it feels so good to do an Oatchi rush slam with a bunch of rocks and just watch them melt an enemy. I just wish throwing a bunch of them felt as good.
Purples are really strong, but my favorite is the ice pikmin. Getting 100 of em and just being able to rush otachi into enemies and freeze them instantly was hilarious to me also freezing water is rlly cool
I enjoy being able to freeze enemies in the water. In the final cave with one of the Beady Long Legs, I had just enough Ice Pikmin to freeze the water, which made killing it comically easy.
I actually really like the niche that Purples have in Pikmin 4. They aren't stupid OP in the same way as in Pikmin 2, but they are extremely useful as trashkillers for when a bunch of weaker creatures are present. It kind of seems like that wouldn't be a huge deal but that exact scenario is present in a lot of caves and trials so being able to clear out rooms of weak enemies extremely fast feels like a great use for them. I also feel similarly about Whites, I never really used them in 2 because you get them too infrequently to have them be super useful outside of when they are needed and the poisoning enemies on being eaten doesn't feel good because you have to waste a rare pikmin to use it. But now that you can get white and purple onions, White pikmin are a great jack of all trades for building and carrying stuff.
Not to mention there are actually poison enemies in 4 outside of dweevils, unlike in 2. Whites are also extremely helpful in dandori challenges because of how fast they carry things.
I feel like purples are okay as is, because unlike Pikmin 2 you CANT bring them everywhere due to the type limit. Additionally, theyre pretty rarely found in Dandori Challenges/battles. They would be much more broken if bringing them to places didn't also force you to sacrifice another pikmin type.
I personally think they work really well the way they are Because yeah they're the best fighters, but aren't immune to any hazard, abd you're limited to three times at the time. So bringing purples means you're more at risk of hazards.
the biggest problem with purples in Pikmin 4 is that their impact damage when thrown completely overshadows Rock Pikmin. making rocks only useful for breaking crystal and avoiding getting crushed (which doesn't matter too much when you can just kill the crushing enemy instantly with purples instead)
The sad thing about rock Pikmin in this game is that the crystal walls can also be destroyed with bomb rocks. And for crystal enemies, they can also be killed with Oatchi’s rush attack.
I thought the exact same thing. It makes sense for the purple pikmin to deal impact damage, but a stun would be too OP. But it's weird how it also deals the damage when they land on the side of a creature.
I definitely think that Purple Pikmin essentially having the Rock Pikmins Impact damage rather than the slam attack they're supposed to have is insane. It really should just be the slam because it invalidates one of the Rock Pikmins traits, just like they invalidated the Red Pikmins attack boost in 2. I do like how they have the shockwave that kills small things in a large radius though.
@@drduskbunnyRocks are actually better than purples in many situations because unlike purples they aren't harder to throw high, and they are able to deal an insane amount of burst damage with oatchis rush. For instance, rushing with all purples on the Snagret is a pretty bad idea, but for rock Pikmin they destroy it faster than it can even get out the ground
When comparing the purple and red pikmin's passive attacks; the red pikmin were flowered while the purple pikmim only had leafs, I feel like in order to truly test it they need to have the same stage (leaf, bud, or flower)
The maturity doesn't effect attack speed or damage , only the movement speed of the Pikmin. Doesn't really matter anyways cause the Pikmin garden website confirms they have the same passive attack power at 1.5x
I feel they are actually pretty balanced in this game. My reasoning being they only do that huge damage when thrown. If you charge with oatchi to launch all your pikmin onto an enemy they wont do that extra damage meaning you have to take more time trowing instead of all your pikmin just demolishing an enemy in a second
That's kinda interesting that you basically have to choose between the stun you *now* get on Oatchi's charge after upgrading it or the high damage from just throwing the purples. Your reliance on that could affect whether you use purples or reds a little more. I'm definitely fond of the way most Pikmin are balanced in this game. Ice is definitely too OP though, literally just purple spray as a pikmin type. Not to mention if one gets eaten, it works like white pikmin and basically *instantly* freezes the monster
I have a feeling Nintendo, and more specifically Miyamoto were disappointed with how poorly the original 3 games sold and they have already said they wanted this game to be more user friendly. Making purples strong again as well as giving a purple onion is very helpful to that end. Pikmin 4 has already done better in its first week then the previous three did combined in their first weeks. I think they were getting people invested in these games so future ones can go back to the difficulty of the first 2 and still sell well.
I have been waiting for them to give Purple and White Onions, and was hoping Ice would get one as well, just because its canon that there were more Onions than Nintendo was giving us.
Good to hear. I have had so few opportunities to actually get purples that i havent had a good chance to even try them out despite all the hours Ive put in. Looking forward to when I get far enough in the game to bring more than 5 into a cave or something. Only got to bring like 2 in a dungeon after getting them and it was kind of hard to tell how useful they really were from how little I used them.
The trade off is that they are fairly rare to obtain until near the very end of the game and they're slower, so if they're shaken off by a creature they're more likely to get eaten or squished while being whistled back.
My takes on the pikmin roles: Spoilers obviously. Red: fire immune, jack.of-all-trades, master of none. Decent throw range, decent height, decent collection and normal carry power, higher than average attack strength make them great early game fighters and for collecting spicy fruits that do not require a specific pikmin to access. Blue: Underwater specialists, with the same stats as red aside from attack, Blue's attack is the baseline, basically. Yellow: higher and longer throws, same damage output as a blue pikmin, better at digging and immune to shocks. Ice: Can swim through water while not carrying anything and can freeze water, but are still weak to water-based hazards (for some reason I cannot fathom) Enemies killed by them turn into nectar rather than leaving a corpse, so they cannot hunt to increase their numbers, but their freeze is otherwise really powerful. You use these guys when you want something dead at minimal risk and don't care if the critter leaves a corpse behind. Has the same attack strength as a blue pikmin, but will freeze a target before applying damage to it. Purple: Purple pikmin have a very high mass, giving them the same attack strength as a red, but with a stomp attack, when they are thrown. They also weigh as much as, and have the strength of 10 other pikmin, making them ideal collectors. Their weakness is their low throw height and very short throw distance, and they have no elemental immunities. Combat and collection specialists. Rock: Does a surprisingly high amount of impact damage and is immune to "MOST" crushing and piercing attacks. Some attacks still have the power to kill them this way, but you'd need a really big foe for that to happen. They cannot latch onto enemies but will instead ram them, making them more responsive when you call them back. Other stats are average. Best to use on small enemies that specialize in crushing or piercing damage. No elemental immunities. The only pikmin that can crush crystals and glass. Pink: These adorable little pikmin are aerial fighting specialists and are capable of carrying items across water and over small ledges since they fly. Pink pikmin are tied for the weakest attack of all pikmin outside aerial combat. Their low attack makes them unsuitable to collect Ultra-Spicy berries. Flying pikmin are also pretty damn safe while carrying items, though they are the slowest pikmin while transporting items due to their small size. White: These guys are FAST, and immune to poison, however their attacks are really, really, REALLY weak, on par with that of a pink. If eaten the one who ate them will take damage, and if enough are eaten at once it can kill just about anything outright. If you have enough of them, they make ideal carriers due to their high speed, but that about it. It's not recommended to use them to collect ultra-spicy berries, since their low attack means an overall slower collection speed than if red or purple pikmin do it.
Ice are still weak to water because they still can't breathe underwater. They are able to "swim" because they float due to ice having lower density than water.
@@Leostar-Regalius Whites was the only pikmin that could initiate a dig since they had, and I quote "x-ray vision" so whites were mandatory in pikmin 2 for some treasures since others wouldn't start digging unless a white initiated it. Unless my memory is mistaken.
@@thekirbycrafter7229 makes some sense, though I don't understand why the water doesn't freeze on contact, dealing no damage since they can freeze entire ponds with little to no issue.
@@Lunaraia its because its shown when pikmin are drowning, its specifically their leaves that are waterlogged, which also means the water wouldnt freeze because its away from the heat sink that is their main body. Also, even if they could freeze the water on the leaf, thats still not fixing the problem of them suffocating. Theres still a chunk of ice encasing their leaf.
I think it’s really a cool idea to have a Pikmin type that’s just made for fighting I mean yeah they can carry the weight of ten pikmin but you only really use for that challenges and stuff that weighs 100 units or more. I really the like trade of “do I bring more yellows or something that are immune to a hazard and can fight enemies or do I bring purples which aren’t immune to anything but can ABSOLUTELY DESTROY enemies.
Remember in pikmin 2 you needed to get 100 purples for the dumbbell. Where did y’all farm out 100 of ‘em? I went to the first or was it second hole? In the valley of repose for a whole day to get enough.
Loved to see Purples again. I have several gripes with the game, but the 3 pikmin limit was certainly the worst part of it. It changes the game entirely since the whole game is balanced around only needing 3 types. I wanted to make more use of Purples, but you pretty much needed other types. Though they were wonderful to have in the final cave
This was such a relief for me since purples are my second favorite type bulbmin being my favorite i was quite worried that purples would be as weak as 3 but i can glady say they almost are the same except for stun which i find a good loss
I don't think they're OP in this game. The enemies are not stunned like in Pikmin 2 despite the Purple Pikmin doing damage when they land on top of the big ones. I think they're pretty balanced.
They're absolutely OP, especially when used with Oatchi. He can compensate for their slow speed and landing a rush with a bunch of purples on him will kill most enemies in under a second since they all immediately latch on with their phat 2x damage bonus.
@@nathanieljones8043 In Pikmin 2 they stun a lot of enemies to where they're standing still, and while in this game they do stun the bigger enemies the enemies themselves do not completely freeze.
@@MLPSolarDash they stop moving and attacking the only things that matter you can still 0-100 every non boss enemy that you can hit with a purple Pikmin.
Ok so my main problem with the game is the controls! There are some aspects that would've been best optional or straight up should've been! My number 1 problem is auto lock on!!! It F'cking sucks!
Aloss in Pikmin 2 it's obvious purples were created to make combat better and simpler! Now with the new controls the convinence just isn't needed anymore so they should be nerfed!
Some info for people who think having a purple Pikmin onion is broken it is literally like post post post game and the only reason you would use it is to get the gold bar treasure
I think Purples are perfectly balanced in this game yes they are the strongest fighters but they appear late in the game and getting their onion is the hardest thing in the game this all paired with the 3 type limit really makes me use them just as often as any other type of pikmin. I genuinely cant say i used any Pikmin more than any other type and i platinumed and 100% completed everything in the game
the implications that no creature can live on this clearly earth planet without being a plant has some horrifying implications for some locations in previous games
I can see this game try to replicate elements from the second game, down to the fact that many iconic enemies and families in the second game make a return, and also some enemies like the Flint Beetle were redesigned to resemble their Pikmin 2 counterpart.
I really like that the purple onion is locked behind the dandori gauntlet. I personally believe it to be the hardest challenge the game has to offer, moreso than its final boss, so it seems very fitting to have the most powerful reward locked behind the hardest challenge. Feels like a moment of "if you can beat this, you can beat anything. Go wild, enjoy the chaos." Also makes collecting that bar of gold a lot less time consuming.
I also feel like its important to bring up rocks chuck of impact damage because from my understanding it deals the same amount of damage that purples impact does
I feel like it's strange that purple pikmin do more impact damage (at least it feels like more) than rock pikmin, while also being able to latch on to enemies. I guess its maybe balanced by the rock onion being far easier to find than the purple one, but still. tbh I feel like both rocks and winged pikmin feel a bit on the weaker side in 4. purples are better at combat than rocks, and winged pikmin don't even have any of their unique hazards from 3. I still used winged pikmin a lot because I think watching them carry stuff through the air is super cute, but it feels like the only reason I would bring them is cause I wanted to, not because they were useful strategically. still love 4 though XD
At 6:00 you show that they kill the bulborb at the exact same time, but also the purples were all Leafed, and the Reds were all flowers so it wasn't exactly a even comparison. If that is the case then i would imagine purples would be stronger when flowered than Reds.
I always wonder how an onion for them would work. 4 gives us more insight into the rocks and ices, but those only require inanimate material. Getting full on dwarf bulborb carcasses is another story.
I’m not sure if anyone else thought this, but I was happy to see blue PIKMIN we’re pretty viable in this game. There are just so many water hazards in almost every area that actually make them useful. I’m happy that these hazards give every PIKMIN the chance to shine in their own way, even if they aren’t overpowered when fighting.
keeping purples overpowered makes it more valuable to have to do some of the hardest challenges just to get them. It rewards you for going out of your way to get purples easier (even though caves are easy enough to grind wild purples.) You actually want a reason to go out of the way to get purples because they are worth using and you no longer have to worry about loing them (although if you're using purples i question how are you losing. They're purples). You took the time to get the onion you should get to use them however you want and they sure better be useful.
purple always has been my faves as much as the color and im so happy to see them back to glory! combine them with ice and rock pikmin and you can destroy anything
(postgame spoilers) i saw in the last louie side quest that i had to go fight the sovereign bulblax again and i got worried, but i just chucked some purples at it and it died in like 2 seconds
9:00 one thing i noticed is that the reds have flowers in this test, but the purples do not. The reds are attacking faster due to the flower, and the purples are at base attack speed. If this was changed, to either both flower or both leaf, i believe purples would win both.
Everyone talking about the purple Pikmin, but no one talking about Oatchi casually carrying 1000 Pikmin worth of weight on his back. 1001 assuming the Captain weights 1.
@@Uz3rwithThree I am talking about him casually carrying 100 purple Pikmin on his back. Which 1 weights 10. And the Captain I assume weights 1. 10 x 100 + 1 = 1001.
@@thekirbycrafter7229 ..true. I assumed because I'm Pikmin 2 and 3, the captains weight 1, as seen on those rocks that go up and down depending on the weight they have on top. And also Because of the extra hand perk, making your captain carry the weight of 1. And also because of the extra hand perk,
this is how i see the types: red: earlygame dps, fire resistance yellow: high throw, electric resistance blue: water resistance purple: lategame dps white: speedy, poison resistance winged: can take shortcuts, can carry over water rock: alternative dps, counter for crystals ice: freeze enemies and water glow: spoopi. all types of resistance, returns after a task. glow onion is lumiknoll (real) (3am)
Says no spoilers proceeds to immediately show the last area of the game but seriously I wanted the fact that every single pikmin type gets an onion to be a surprise I mean I was already spoiled by other videos but what if I wasn’t.
they basically took the concept of pikmin 2, streamlined it with ideas from pikmin 3 (and incorporated side modes into the main story), and then at least in the postgame, ramped up the difficulty to be a little similar to pikmin 1.
I just wish purples had normal attack strength so reds would still be better in more situations, the landing damage could be lowered a bit but still purples are fine in pikmin 4
if they really wanted to make purples a bit weaker, i think just making it so they have to actually slam onto the enemies to get the bonus damage would be a good way to go about it. that way, they have a clear time where they are most useful, that being against smaller enemies that they can successfully thud on, and they also have clear weaknesses, that being against enemies that are too high to slam on top of.
Wow, I actually had no idea that purples dealt damage when thrown. The game mostly pushes you to do charge or dash attack with Oatchi for maximum damage, and I could never really tell if purples were actually dealing any more damage than reds; looks like in that situation, they weren't. This would make a TON of fight so much easier if I had known
I feel like purples are balanced around the fact that they don’t clear any hazards. If you’re bringing them against the game’s recommendations you are very explicitly trading hazard and puzzle clearing capabilities for combat power and treasure gathering. I think it’s a really good balance and ends with you only really having the strongest pikmin when you would need them most
Another aspect of pikmin 4 that helps balance purple pikmin even further is the fact that with Oatchi and Moss, many othe pikmin are just as powerful as purples. Sure, you can throw them and kill enemies that way. Or you could load 100 rock pickmin on Oatchi, do the charge and nuke the enemy down. Or do the same with ice pikmin and make most enemies incapable of fighting back. Or do the glow shot with 100 glow pikmin and kill any enemy at night with no problem. All of this has admitedly taken the combat crown firmly away from the reds, but then again reds were really only the undisputed premier fighters in pikmin 1, back when they were 1/3rd of the full pikmin roster. With the many new fire hazards of pikmin 4, they now match the hazard clearing purposes of the other 2 original pikmin.
I really wish there was more Multiplayer content than just Dandori Battle and Pebble Pitcher, but other than that, Pikmin 4 has the best Single player content in any Pikmin game by far!
I’ve 100% the game after 35 intense hours and I saw a spoiler unfortunately before hand but none the less I was surprised to see more then three onions because I thought there were just gonna do red yellow blue and then make all the other Pikmin cave exclusives but I’m so glad they didn’t
I was waiting for you to say it. Purples are good against groups, and singular enemies in stasis. Rocks are better for enemies that are already awake and you need to kill quickly since they have good impact damage, and reds are better for enemies up high. The impact of purples damage and AOE damage is a bit much. I would say lower it to about 4/5s of what it is now, and make it so that you actually have to get the pound to land on them instead of just throwing them. That is rock pikmin thing.
i feel like there is no electricity hazards at all in pikmin 4 if u kinda think about it like i know there is but ur not really gonna see it often i guess.
Thats the one thing that saddened me. I liked the wire puzzles in 3, and the fact yellows are only good for attacking electric obstacles was disappointing. I get that high throwing is also a utility but I like my electricity utility as well.
Small note about your purple vs red damahe comparison. Purples were leaf while reds were flower. Which i'm prettt sure that would have an affect on how much damage they do
I think Purples are pretty strong in 4, but balanced out because ice and rock pikmin are also still insanely strong fighters as well. Even like, 30-40 ice pikmin can freeze most things well before they ever get a chance to use a shake attack, and rock pikmin do a smaller chunk of damage when thrown than purple pikmin, but unlike purple pikmin, Oatchi charge *also* deals the damage chunk for rocks. Rocks are of course also crush immune in most situations, and a ton of enemies in this game have crushing and spike attacks.
With how rare they are And how each type needs to be good for you to consider using them then them being good isn’t a bad thing The game does a good job making each Pikmin have their time in the spotlight
This game keeps on giving. The fully fleshed out Piklopedia, the returning creatures, (SPOILER) Olimar's adventure, a ton of beautiful and intricate areas, the night expeditions (my favorite, I love horde mode type games), etc, there's just so much. Just 100%'d the game and agree, 2 was my favorite and now 4 is. Only negative is the auto aim, got in the way quite a bit in the final leg of the game.
actually i tested out reds and purples (one thrown on with 9 reds to make it more fair with the latch attack to test) and reds do a little more damage, if you charge with purples it doesnt give latch on so i did that, (i tested this on a certain flying enemy instead of land) and then testing it purples do more of a 1.25x- 1.3x damage multiplier
I think making it so that way purples have to thud to get the bonus damage would be interesting. Because then you have to think about highground, and if you're situated in a way to kill and enemy quickly, as to not lose any Purple's. Because they are still rare, have no real resistances, and are hard to find. But I think the problem is that imo they overshadow Rock Pikmin, which are no where near as powerful as they were in Pikmin 3. Rock Pikmin in my eyes are fighters that are good at burst damage, while also having some favorable matchups against some flying and crushing enemies. Purple's are kinda just that with different match ups (that you also cant keep alone) so I think they need some other kind of weakness, and I think punishing their speed - making them easier targets - would go a long way to making them a special kind of Pikmin,. And not an answer to combat.
Worst thing about pikmin 4 is that they removed the bubbles on the HUD
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I do miss it though it DOES help see more of the actual game, Pikmin 2 especially has a very hefty HUD in the original 4:3
Yeah man I really don’t like how they took that out
That's just a dandori issue
And the camera :( I can’t see the ice pikmin in all they’re detail
I think it's worth noting that you're limited to 3 Pikmin types at a time, so you're not always gonna have purples with you unlike in 2. Since most players will just go with the 3 types that the game recommends you use for any given area/cave, which doesn't include purples very often, it makes them feel much more unique when you do get to use them. If they didn't have that strong initial thud attack, you might as well always go with Rock Pikmin instead of purples since they also are great fighters and have a strong "collision" attack, not to mention they're immune to getting crushed unlike purples. In my opinion the purples are very well balanced in this game. Not to mention the purple union is at the end of the long and challenging sage leaf gauntlet, most players won't get it until very late into the game, if not during post-game *after* the main story, so it's not a big deal that you can "easily" farm them at some point.
Actually, you can ONLY get the purple onion in the postgame since the leaf sage trials only unlock after clearing Olimar’s Shipwreck Tale.
Also yooooo PJiggles what’s good
Screw that noise, I beat louie cave with only purples
@@EnharmonicYTand the leaf sage trials may come down to seconds without oatchi upgrades and pluckaphone so it is still very late game
@EnharmonicYT no I got all the onions before I fought the final boss I just did Olimars story all in one go but it was late in the game fs during the final area for me at least
@EnharmonicYT no I got all the onions before I fought the final boss I just did Olimars story all in one go but it was late in the game fs during the final area for me at least
This is definitely a unexpected redemption arc for the purple Pikmin when they become op again in the fourth game
Not really because glow pikmin exist
@@bestevil. Glow pikmin don't take away the opness of the purples.
@@randomidoit9605 they're basically everything purple is but better cus caves
@@randomidoit9605 caves
@@bestevil. But, you only get a limited amount of glow pikmin, and Purple Pikmin can be used above ground.
I love the balancing in Pikmin 4 when it comes to Pikmin types. Limiting the "special" Pikmin types until late-game is so genius, and I was so shocked when I started encountering the Onions for those types.
There is a valid point however in thr fact that there arent many exploration or combat puzzles in the overworld for the special piks because of that reason. Theyre only relegated to caves or dandori challenges.
@@thekirbycrafter7229I'm okay with how they handled rock pikmin, being only really useful in caves, but winged pikmin did get the short end of the stick in this game even with caves included
@@thekirbycrafter7229 Tbh, the maps in this game are kinda dull, seeing as they stretched out the content into an area that's unnecessarily big. This is the first Pikmin game I've beaten and, even though I thoroughly enjoyed it, I feel like I would have had a better experience in one of the earlier games.
@@wurtknurte7283 yeah I absolutely adore this game, but the overworld map designs were lackluster. Luckily they weren't super big but they definitely could have cooked these for longer. I think it's just that the game went thru dev hell since it was probably in dev during the transition to switch, and the game is very ambitious in terms of content and scope.
@@wurtknurte7283 as someone whos beaten all four games, i fully agree. although pikmin 4 for the most part was pretty great overall i found that there were just things here and there that could've used some more time in the oven. i really hoped it wouldve been like pikmin 3's overworld- arguably the best in the series, but sadly most, if not all of the gameplay took place in caves like pikmin 2, whereas the surface was kinda just there to get you to the caves and had very little engagement or content
There is a purple onion, but you have to beat half the game, an entire side mode, and then a 10 floor dandori gauntlet to unlock it.
i did that sidemode after i 100% the entire game and was so frustrated that i couldnt enjoy it properly aside from the candypop buds farms loll
Very fun
@@scraps4728 Same, especially after farming that one cave that has 3 purple candypop buds to get enough Purple Pikmin for the bar of gold
@@babbit09I went for the purple onion because I did not want to go back and spend a day at Serene Shores just to get reenter Engulfing Castle repeatedly to farm purple candypop flowers, so to me it was worth it.
@@babbit09 thats exactly what i had to do lol
One thing I love about the balance of purples is the fact they aren’t in the 1st area anymore allowing reds to have a chance to shine
Pikmin 4 is definitely the most balanced. The only Pikmin that were somewhat underutilized were the Winged Pikmin, which don't have a lot of specific required uses. Pretty much every other type has a lot of required puzzles and hazards and the fact that you can only have 3 types at once further helps to make every type feel useful.
For the first half of the game, I found it super underwhelming how little the reds were used. Blue Pikmin and Ice Pikmin had the most use, and there were puzzles and high places for Yellows... but then during the second half of the game they introduced a new mechanic with the burning charcoals to make reds useful again! They even had a cave in the house area that could only be entered with reds (I wish they had one for yellows too though... blues had the Engulfed Castle, but yellows didn't get their own cave).
Winged and Rocks don't have as much main story use, but they make up for it by being utilized more in the Dandori challenges.
I like Wingeds not having required blocks anymore, because it balances them out.
Now they're basically the purples for carrying.
They're basically invincible when carrying (and can take shortcuts) but bringing them with you means you can't deal with an Hazard that taking another type could.
Trading commodity for efficency, like bringing purples for combat.
Tho, I wish they weren't this rare lol.
I litteraly completed the main story without seeing one.
@@yurei4414Most of the time I use winged pikmin on the surface, they take the same paths as the others. The only times I seen them take shortcuts are in the caves
@@deadmeme739
Yeah that's a bummer,
But also they basically can't be killed by anything so I still found them useful personally.
Also(Spolier allert)
Also cheesing all the hazards in the White Onion dandori challenge stage, that alone is enough for making me respect them.
@@deadmeme739I do notice that their pathing can sometimes just be the same as a normal pikmin.
To be fair there is still upside is that they can fly over enemies sometimes
(Also they might have faster carry speed than whites in some situations, someone fact check me on this)
I think making the purple onion the most difficult to obtain provides much of the balance. They are the strongest but there are still creatures and hazards that can hurt your population. Having an unlimited source of purples in the endgame is a great reward for players who put in the effort to get there.
Purples are balanced (mostly) by;
-being unlocked late in the game
-their Onion being locked behind hard Dandori battles
-having to choose them as one of the three types you're limited to per dungeon
It's really surreal to be able to make as many purples as you want after so many years of playing Pikmin 2, having to use candypop buds.
I’ve been testing purple pikmin’s impact damage! they usually deal double or more the impact damage of rock pikmin, it varies per enemy, but purple’s impact damage doesn’t activate during oatchi rushes, they also only deal the same damage as red pikmin if they fail to activate their impact damage. This differs from rock pikmin who can’t latch on at all but their impact damage activates during oatchi rushes, rushing with rocks on oatchi is like throwing half the number of purple pikmin except it registers instantly. I think purples slam is still a little too powerful, it should probably be the same as rocks so they’re like a compromise between rocks and reds imo.
Well said. The balance of purples and rocks just feels like it’s in a weird spot. Currently, purples do a better job at what rock Pikmin should be doing with throw impact. Rocks don’t really have a use outside of breaking glass.
I will say it feels so good to do an Oatchi rush slam with a bunch of rocks and just watch them melt an enemy. I just wish throwing a bunch of them felt as good.
Purples are really strong, but my favorite is the ice pikmin. Getting 100 of em and just being able to rush otachi into enemies and freeze them instantly was hilarious to me also freezing water is rlly cool
I enjoy being able to freeze enemies in the water. In the final cave with one of the Beady Long Legs, I had just enough Ice Pikmin to freeze the water, which made killing it comically easy.
I actually really like the niche that Purples have in Pikmin 4. They aren't stupid OP in the same way as in Pikmin 2, but they are extremely useful as trashkillers for when a bunch of weaker creatures are present. It kind of seems like that wouldn't be a huge deal but that exact scenario is present in a lot of caves and trials so being able to clear out rooms of weak enemies extremely fast feels like a great use for them. I also feel similarly about Whites, I never really used them in 2 because you get them too infrequently to have them be super useful outside of when they are needed and the poisoning enemies on being eaten doesn't feel good because you have to waste a rare pikmin to use it. But now that you can get white and purple onions, White pikmin are a great jack of all trades for building and carrying stuff.
Nah, they are still busted, with just like 20 and spray you can kill man at legs and soverign bulbax in like 1-2 volleys depending on oatchi upgrades
ice + purples + spicy spray = stomp every enemy in the game
the whole clearing out weaker ennemies is done by oatchi's dash
Not to mention there are actually poison enemies in 4 outside of dweevils, unlike in 2. Whites are also extremely helpful in dandori challenges because of how fast they carry things.
Nintendo likes making things OP, nerfing them to hell, then making them kinda strong again.
as a splatoon fan, I can confirm this is true
Wish that happened to Kirby in smash
I feel like purples are okay as is, because unlike Pikmin 2 you CANT bring them everywhere due to the type limit. Additionally, theyre pretty rarely found in Dandori Challenges/battles. They would be much more broken if bringing them to places didn't also force you to sacrifice another pikmin type.
I personally think they work really well the way they are
Because yeah they're the best fighters, but aren't immune to any hazard, abd you're limited to three times at the time.
So bringing purples means you're more at risk of hazards.
the biggest problem with purples in Pikmin 4 is that their impact damage when thrown completely overshadows Rock Pikmin. making rocks only useful for breaking crystal and avoiding getting crushed (which doesn't matter too much when you can just kill the crushing enemy instantly with purples instead)
The sad thing about rock Pikmin in this game is that the crystal walls can also be destroyed with bomb rocks. And for crystal enemies, they can also be killed with Oatchi’s rush attack.
They're definitely good but the 3 Pikmin limit means I probably just won't be using them at all a lot of the time
I thought the exact same thing. It makes sense for the purple pikmin to deal impact damage, but a stun would be too OP. But it's weird how it also deals the damage when they land on the side of a creature.
I definitely think that Purple Pikmin essentially having the Rock Pikmins Impact damage rather than the slam attack they're supposed to have is insane. It really should just be the slam because it invalidates one of the Rock Pikmins traits, just like they invalidated the Red Pikmins attack boost in 2. I do like how they have the shockwave that kills small things in a large radius though.
Yeah it's nice that they kept that little shockwave.
Rocks are still higher burst damage I would assume, plus they’re more of a defensive type in this game
@@drduskbunnyRocks are actually better than purples in many situations because unlike purples they aren't harder to throw high, and they are able to deal an insane amount of burst damage with oatchis rush. For instance, rushing with all purples on the Snagret is a pretty bad idea, but for rock Pikmin they destroy it faster than it can even get out the ground
I would argue that Rock and Purples work REALLY well together
My endgame strat for fighting was most definitely just Oatchi rushing + Rocks to oneshot nearly anything, including several bosses.
When comparing the purple and red pikmin's passive attacks; the red pikmin were flowered while the purple pikmim only had leafs, I feel like in order to truly test it they need to have the same stage (leaf, bud, or flower)
The maturity doesn't effect attack speed or damage , only the movement speed of the Pikmin. Doesn't really matter anyways cause the Pikmin garden website confirms they have the same passive attack power at 1.5x
I feel they are actually pretty balanced in this game. My reasoning being they only do that huge damage when thrown. If you charge with oatchi to launch all your pikmin onto an enemy they wont do that extra damage meaning you have to take more time trowing instead of all your pikmin just demolishing an enemy in a second
That's kinda interesting that you basically have to choose between the stun you *now* get on Oatchi's charge after upgrading it or the high damage from just throwing the purples. Your reliance on that could affect whether you use purples or reds a little more. I'm definitely fond of the way most Pikmin are balanced in this game. Ice is definitely too OP though, literally just purple spray as a pikmin type. Not to mention if one gets eaten, it works like white pikmin and basically *instantly* freezes the monster
I have a feeling Nintendo, and more specifically Miyamoto were disappointed with how poorly the original 3 games sold and they have already said they wanted this game to be more user friendly. Making purples strong again as well as giving a purple onion is very helpful to that end. Pikmin 4 has already done better in its first week then the previous three did combined in their first weeks. I think they were getting people invested in these games so future ones can go back to the difficulty of the first 2 and still sell well.
I have been waiting for them to give Purple and White Onions, and was hoping Ice would get one as well, just because its canon that there were more Onions than Nintendo was giving us.
Omfg I love pikmin 4 to death
orange is now officially the only color not represented by a pikmin type
Good to hear. I have had so few opportunities to actually get purples that i havent had a good chance to even try them out despite all the hours Ive put in. Looking forward to when I get far enough in the game to bring more than 5 into a cave or something. Only got to bring like 2 in a dungeon after getting them and it was kind of hard to tell how useful they really were from how little I used them.
The trade off is that they are fairly rare to obtain until near the very end of the game and they're slower, so if they're shaken off by a creature they're more likely to get eaten or squished while being whistled back.
My takes on the pikmin roles: Spoilers obviously.
Red: fire immune, jack.of-all-trades, master of none. Decent throw range, decent height, decent collection and normal carry power, higher than average attack strength make them great early game fighters and for collecting spicy fruits that do not require a specific pikmin to access.
Blue: Underwater specialists, with the same stats as red aside from attack, Blue's attack is the baseline, basically.
Yellow: higher and longer throws, same damage output as a blue pikmin, better at digging and immune to shocks.
Ice: Can swim through water while not carrying anything and can freeze water, but are still weak to water-based hazards (for some reason I cannot fathom) Enemies killed by them turn into nectar rather than leaving a corpse, so they cannot hunt to increase their numbers, but their freeze is otherwise really powerful. You use these guys when you want something dead at minimal risk and don't care if the critter leaves a corpse behind. Has the same attack strength as a blue pikmin, but will freeze a target before applying damage to it.
Purple: Purple pikmin have a very high mass, giving them the same attack strength as a red, but with a stomp attack, when they are thrown. They also weigh as much as, and have the strength of 10 other pikmin, making them ideal collectors. Their weakness is their low throw height and very short throw distance, and they have no elemental immunities. Combat and collection specialists.
Rock: Does a surprisingly high amount of impact damage and is immune to "MOST" crushing and piercing attacks. Some attacks still have the power to kill them this way, but you'd need a really big foe for that to happen. They cannot latch onto enemies but will instead ram them, making them more responsive when you call them back. Other stats are average. Best to use on small enemies that specialize in crushing or piercing damage. No elemental immunities. The only pikmin that can crush crystals and glass.
Pink: These adorable little pikmin are aerial fighting specialists and are capable of carrying items across water and over small ledges since they fly. Pink pikmin are tied for the weakest attack of all pikmin outside aerial combat. Their low attack makes them unsuitable to collect Ultra-Spicy berries. Flying pikmin are also pretty damn safe while carrying items, though they are the slowest pikmin while transporting items due to their small size.
White: These guys are FAST, and immune to poison, however their attacks are really, really, REALLY weak, on par with that of a pink. If eaten the one who ate them will take damage, and if enough are eaten at once it can kill just about anything outright. If you have enough of them, they make ideal carriers due to their high speed, but that about it. It's not recommended to use them to collect ultra-spicy berries, since their low attack means an overall slower collection speed than if red or purple pikmin do it.
Ice are still weak to water because they still can't breathe underwater. They are able to "swim" because they float due to ice having lower density than water.
White's also HAD the better digging, but i think they transferred that to yellow pikmin to try and keep them relevant
@@Leostar-Regalius Whites was the only pikmin that could initiate a dig since they had, and I quote "x-ray vision" so whites were mandatory in pikmin 2 for some treasures since others wouldn't start digging unless a white initiated it. Unless my memory is mistaken.
@@thekirbycrafter7229 makes some sense, though I don't understand why the water doesn't freeze on contact, dealing no damage since they can freeze entire ponds with little to no issue.
@@Lunaraia its because its shown when pikmin are drowning, its specifically their leaves that are waterlogged, which also means the water wouldnt freeze because its away from the heat sink that is their main body. Also, even if they could freeze the water on the leaf, thats still not fixing the problem of them suffocating. Theres still a chunk of ice encasing their leaf.
I think it’s really a cool idea to have a Pikmin type that’s just made for fighting I mean yeah they can carry the weight of ten pikmin but you only really use for that challenges and stuff that weighs 100 units or more. I really the like trade of “do I bring more yellows or something that are immune to a hazard and can fight enemies or do I bring purples which aren’t immune to anything but can ABSOLUTELY DESTROY enemies.
Remember in pikmin 2 you needed to get 100 purples for the dumbbell. Where did y’all farm out 100 of ‘em? I went to the first or was it second hole? In the valley of repose for a whole day to get enough.
something I found odd about purples in this game is that they are scattered by mitites now
Loved to see Purples again. I have several gripes with the game, but the 3 pikmin limit was certainly the worst part of it. It changes the game entirely since the whole game is balanced around only needing 3 types. I wanted to make more use of Purples, but you pretty much needed other types. Though they were wonderful to have in the final cave
Purple Pikmin are back. The balance is good because you’re only allowed 3 Pikmin at a time, so you can’t just bring purples everywhere.
I saw you play pikmin 4 in the top left while i was playing too, made me miss your vids :p
another banger fr
This was such a relief for me since purples are my second favorite type bulbmin being my favorite i was quite worried that purples would be as weak as 3 but i can glady say they almost are the same except for stun which i find a good loss
I don't think they're OP in this game. The enemies are not stunned like in Pikmin 2 despite the Purple Pikmin doing damage when they land on top of the big ones. I think they're pretty balanced.
They do get stunned wtf are you talking about
They're absolutely OP, especially when used with Oatchi. He can compensate for their slow speed and landing a rush with a bunch of purples on him will kill most enemies in under a second since they all immediately latch on with their phat 2x damage bonus.
@@nathanieljones8043 In Pikmin 2 they stun a lot of enemies to where they're standing still, and while in this game they do stun the bigger enemies the enemies themselves do not completely freeze.
@@mitchcane2352 Maybe not use Oatchi? But agree to disagree if you think they're OP that's your opinion just like I have my own. :)
@@MLPSolarDash they stop moving and attacking the only things that matter you can still 0-100 every non boss enemy that you can hit with a purple Pikmin.
Ok so my main problem with the game is the controls! There are some aspects that would've been best optional or straight up should've been! My number 1 problem is auto lock on!!! It F'cking sucks!
Aloss in Pikmin 2 it's obvious purples were created to make combat better and simpler! Now with the new controls the convinence just isn't needed anymore so they should be nerfed!
Not really. It's actually useful when you get used to it. Sure at times it can be inconvenient but giving into the controls and it works out
It's worth noting that purples are very hard to come by unless you do something very out of the way.
I did that very out of the way thing before even touching the final areas
@@crazycanyon3028same lol, got purple onion before ice
Today.. we Dandori. Tomorrow.. we Dandori again
Some info for people who think having a purple Pikmin onion is broken it is literally like post post post game and the only reason you would use it is to get the gold bar treasure
No ? You can get it as soon as you save Olimar. Just complete Shipwreck Tale and the trials.
1:55 That sumo pikmin already just wanted to take this to the space ship. 🚀
I’ve always loved the sumo pikmin ever since the Game Cube. That’s my favorite pikmin.
I think Purples are perfectly balanced in this game yes they are the strongest fighters but they appear late in the game and getting their onion is the hardest thing in the game this all paired with the 3 type limit really makes me use them just as often as any other type of pikmin. I genuinely cant say i used any Pikmin more than any other type and i platinumed and 100% completed everything in the game
I HATE that enemies dont respawn on the surface
true
the implications that no creature can live on this clearly earth planet without being a plant has some horrifying implications for some locations in previous games
I can see this game try to replicate elements from the second game, down to the fact that many iconic enemies and families in the second game make a return, and also some enemies like the Flint Beetle were redesigned to resemble their Pikmin 2 counterpart.
I think the purple onion being a late game thing combined with the 3 pikmin type limit (but mostly just the 3 type limit) really balances purples.
I really like that the purple onion is locked behind the dandori gauntlet. I personally believe it to be the hardest challenge the game has to offer, moreso than its final boss, so it seems very fitting to have the most powerful reward locked behind the hardest challenge. Feels like a moment of "if you can beat this, you can beat anything. Go wild, enjoy the chaos."
Also makes collecting that bar of gold a lot less time consuming.
I also feel like its important to bring up rocks chuck of impact damage because from my understanding it deals the same amount of damage that purples impact does
I never even knew Purples did more damage when thrown, I've been Rush Riding everything.
Bu lt now with the 3 Pikmin type limit, the options to choose Reds or Rocks over Purples is more strategic rather than obligation.
I would only change one thing. I'd make the impact damage only apply to the proper slam. Everything else is fine.
Made your point clearly and without fluff, thank you
Lets not forget:
Purple and white pikmin now have their own onions...i guess nintendo saw that one purple/white onion mod from pikmin 2
i'd say they're more balanced due to the fact you get them later in the game compared to 2 where you get them at the beginning
YUP, I went to the final cave wanting the lineup trumpet then found out purps were so back that I beat every boss with only purp
I feel like it's strange that purple pikmin do more impact damage (at least it feels like more) than rock pikmin, while also being able to latch on to enemies. I guess its maybe balanced by the rock onion being far easier to find than the purple one, but still.
tbh I feel like both rocks and winged pikmin feel a bit on the weaker side in 4. purples are better at combat than rocks, and winged pikmin don't even have any of their unique hazards from 3. I still used winged pikmin a lot because I think watching them carry stuff through the air is super cute, but it feels like the only reason I would bring them is cause I wanted to, not because they were useful strategically.
still love 4 though XD
At 6:00 you show that they kill the bulborb at the exact same time, but also the purples were all Leafed, and the Reds were all flowers so it wasn't exactly a even comparison. If that is the case then i would imagine purples would be stronger when flowered than Reds.
Honestly the only thing that I miss is the bubble Pikmin font it was really iconic in my opinion.
I would say they are balanced because they can't stun every ennemy
The only thing about Pikmin 4 is that there is no bulbmin
I always wonder how an onion for them would work. 4 gives us more insight into the rocks and ices, but those only require inanimate material. Getting full on dwarf bulborb carcasses is another story.
I’m not sure if anyone else thought this, but I was happy to see blue PIKMIN we’re pretty viable in this game. There are just so many water hazards in almost every area that actually make them useful. I’m happy that these hazards give every PIKMIN the chance to shine in their own way, even if they aren’t overpowered when fighting.
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keeping purples overpowered makes it more valuable to have to do some of the hardest challenges just to get them. It rewards you for going out of your way to get purples easier (even though caves are easy enough to grind wild purples.) You actually want a reason to go out of the way to get purples because they are worth using and you no longer have to worry about loing them (although if you're using purples i question how are you losing. They're purples). You took the time to get the onion you should get to use them however you want and they sure better be useful.
Collector: I’m about to announce in Twitter that I have completed the game in a entire week!
8:28 OMG PURPLE PELLETS!!!!!!
The most anticipated sequel video
purple always has been my faves as much as the color and im so happy to see them back to glory!
combine them with ice and rock pikmin and you can destroy anything
(postgame spoilers) i saw in the last louie side quest that i had to go fight the sovereign bulblax again and i got worried, but i just chucked some purples at it and it died in like 2 seconds
9:00 one thing i noticed is that the reds have flowers in this test, but the purples do not. The reds are attacking faster due to the flower, and the purples are at base attack speed. If this was changed, to either both flower or both leaf, i believe purples would win both.
Everyone talking about the purple Pikmin, but no one talking about Oatchi casually carrying 1000 Pikmin worth of weight on his back. 1001 assuming the Captain weights 1.
No? Oatchi’s carry max is 100.
@@Uz3rwithThree I am talking about him casually carrying 100 purple Pikmin on his back.
Which 1 weights 10.
And the Captain I assume weights 1.
10 x 100 + 1 = 1001.
Considering all the castaways are 3, its more likely you weigh 3 and not 1.
@@leoalfre_the_bb-9e915 oh i get it now
@@thekirbycrafter7229 ..true.
I assumed because I'm Pikmin 2 and 3, the captains weight 1, as seen on those rocks that go up and down depending on the weight they have on top.
And also Because of the extra hand perk, making your captain carry the weight of 1.
And also because of the extra hand perk,
this is how i see the types:
red: earlygame dps, fire resistance
yellow: high throw, electric resistance
blue: water resistance
purple: lategame dps
white: speedy, poison resistance
winged: can take shortcuts, can carry over water
rock: alternative dps, counter for crystals
ice: freeze enemies and water
glow: spoopi. all types of resistance, returns after a task. glow onion is lumiknoll (real) (3am)
Says no spoilers proceeds to immediately show the last area of the game but seriously I wanted the fact that every single pikmin type gets an onion to be a surprise I mean I was already spoiled by other videos but what if I wasn’t.
they basically took the concept of pikmin 2, streamlined it with ideas from pikmin 3 (and incorporated side modes into the main story), and then at least in the postgame, ramped up the difficulty to be a little similar to pikmin 1.
I just wish purples had normal attack strength so reds would still be better in more situations, the landing damage could be lowered a bit but still purples are fine in pikmin 4
if they really wanted to make purples a bit weaker, i think just making it so they have to actually slam onto the enemies to get the bonus damage would be a good way to go about it. that way, they have a clear time where they are most useful, that being against smaller enemies that they can successfully thud on, and they also have clear weaknesses, that being against enemies that are too high to slam on top of.
as a die hard purple pikmin fan, it makes me so happy to see my little dudes come back after the mess that was pikmin 3 deluxe :)
where did u get those little pikmin figures
I wish that they were still immune to the fear state.
Okay but wait where can I get those little Pikmin minis those are adorable!
Wow, I actually had no idea that purples dealt damage when thrown. The game mostly pushes you to do charge or dash attack with Oatchi for maximum damage, and I could never really tell if purples were actually dealing any more damage than reds; looks like in that situation, they weren't. This would make a TON of fight so much easier if I had known
I don't understand why some people still seem to insist that purple Pikmin still have the stun effect in Pikmin 4
I feel like purples are balanced around the fact that they don’t clear any hazards. If you’re bringing them against the game’s recommendations you are very explicitly trading hazard and puzzle clearing capabilities for combat power and treasure gathering. I think it’s a really good balance and ends with you only really having the strongest pikmin when you would need them most
this game makes you consider the pikmin you bring with you a lot more with the three type limitation
First the Purple Pikmin were OP in Pikmin 2, then they were bad in Pikmin 3 and now in Pikmin they are OP once again.
Another aspect of pikmin 4 that helps balance purple pikmin even further is the fact that with Oatchi and Moss, many othe pikmin are just as powerful as purples. Sure, you can throw them and kill enemies that way. Or you could load 100 rock pickmin on Oatchi, do the charge and nuke the enemy down. Or do the same with ice pikmin and make most enemies incapable of fighting back. Or do the glow shot with 100 glow pikmin and kill any enemy at night with no problem. All of this has admitedly taken the combat crown firmly away from the reds, but then again reds were really only the undisputed premier fighters in pikmin 1, back when they were 1/3rd of the full pikmin roster. With the many new fire hazards of pikmin 4, they now match the hazard clearing purposes of the other 2 original pikmin.
I really wish there was more Multiplayer content than just Dandori Battle and Pebble Pitcher, but other than that, Pikmin 4 has the best Single player content in any Pikmin game by far!
The same timing in the piklopedia was probably because you used flowered reds, but only leafed purples
I hope you do a review of the Down Grade and Upgrade of White Pikmin as well
I had a Pikmin 4 ad when I clicked on this video!
I’ve 100% the game after 35 intense hours and I saw a spoiler unfortunately before hand but none the less I was surprised to see more then three onions because I thought there were just gonna do red yellow blue and then make all the other Pikmin cave exclusives but I’m so glad they didn’t
I was waiting for you to say it.
Purples are good against groups, and singular enemies in stasis.
Rocks are better for enemies that are already awake and you need to kill quickly since they have good impact damage, and reds are better for enemies up high.
The impact of purples damage and AOE damage is a bit much. I would say lower it to about 4/5s of what it is now, and make it so that you actually have to get the pound to land on them instead of just throwing them. That is rock pikmin thing.
i feel like there is no electricity hazards at all in pikmin 4 if u kinda think about it like i know there is but ur not really gonna see it often i guess.
Thats the one thing that saddened me. I liked the wire puzzles in 3, and the fact yellows are only good for attacking electric obstacles was disappointing. I get that high throwing is also a utility but I like my electricity utility as well.
When are more uploads coming?
Small note about your purple vs red damahe comparison. Purples were leaf while reds were flower. Which i'm prettt sure that would have an affect on how much damage they do
I think Purples are pretty strong in 4, but balanced out because ice and rock pikmin are also still insanely strong fighters as well. Even like, 30-40 ice pikmin can freeze most things well before they ever get a chance to use a shake attack, and rock pikmin do a smaller chunk of damage when thrown than purple pikmin, but unlike purple pikmin, Oatchi charge *also* deals the damage chunk for rocks. Rocks are of course also crush immune in most situations, and a ton of enemies in this game have crushing and spike attacks.
With how rare they are
And how each type needs to be good for you to consider using them then them being good isn’t a bad thing
The game does a good job making each Pikmin have their time in the spotlight
Where did you get that purple pikmin pencil stand?! I need that in my life!
This game keeps on giving. The fully fleshed out Piklopedia, the returning creatures, (SPOILER) Olimar's adventure, a ton of beautiful and intricate areas, the night expeditions (my favorite, I love horde mode type games), etc, there's just so much. Just 100%'d the game and agree, 2 was my favorite and now 4 is. Only negative is the auto aim, got in the way quite a bit in the final leg of the game.
actually i tested out reds and purples (one thrown on with 9 reds to make it more fair with the latch attack to test) and reds do a little more damage, if you charge with purples it doesnt give latch on so i did that, (i tested this on a certain flying enemy instead of land) and then testing it purples do more of a 1.25x- 1.3x damage multiplier
I think making it so that way purples have to thud to get the bonus damage would be interesting. Because then you have to think about highground, and if you're situated in a way to kill and enemy quickly, as to not lose any Purple's. Because they are still rare, have no real resistances, and are hard to find.
But I think the problem is that imo they overshadow Rock Pikmin, which are no where near as powerful as they were in Pikmin 3. Rock Pikmin in my eyes are fighters that are good at burst damage, while also having some favorable matchups against some flying and crushing enemies. Purple's are kinda just that with different match ups (that you also cant keep alone) so I think they need some other kind of weakness, and I think punishing their speed - making them easier targets - would go a long way to making them a special kind of Pikmin,. And not an answer to combat.