Why Your Tracks Sound Cheesy

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  • @eyvindjr
    @eyvindjr 10 місяців тому +229

    Don't stop at octaves! You should find the key signature where your synths sound the best too.

    • @Pyroific
      @Pyroific 10 місяців тому +8

      very true, a lot of electronic music is around D-F because the sub bass hits hardest at those frequencies!

    • @Pyroific
      @Pyroific 10 місяців тому

      of course!@@tuulymusic3856

    • @darz_k.
      @darz_k. 10 місяців тому +1

      Can you elaborate on that point please? Or link to some info on it?

    • @Pyroific
      @Pyroific 10 місяців тому +2

      the root note of your song, try pitching everything but the drums up or down a few semitones and see what feels best@@darz_k.

    • @eyvindjr
      @eyvindjr 7 місяців тому

      @@darz_k. This is especially important for the low end. Make sure to pick a key where the lowest note of your bass line is in a sweet spot between to muddy and deep enough by changing the pitch by half steps. You can do this with all other instruments too. For acoustic instruments, the way they are played also matters.

  • @hertzcules
    @hertzcules 11 місяців тому +477

    I like cheese

    • @notyourmother73
      @notyourmother73 11 місяців тому +8

      Okay

    • @py_a_thon
      @py_a_thon 11 місяців тому +7

      Everything is about context. If you mean the meme of "cheesy music", then the context is what you do with that perception.
      Do you make a meta joke about your cheesy bass line?
      Do you lean into the concept fully and make an absurdly loud 4 bar loop that hits really loud?
      Do you invert the concept, and use it as a way to shock the audience before the "real music" kicks in?
      Or do you just avoid the perception entirely, and then you know what it is that you do not want to create as music?

    • @unknownmusicman
      @unknownmusicman 11 місяців тому

      Me too

    • @inline4forlife
      @inline4forlife 10 місяців тому +1

      @@py_a_thon 💯 even the transition here between the two versions added some interest to the track

    • @VOIDSTRANGER2099
      @VOIDSTRANGER2099 10 місяців тому +2

      The cheesier the better

  • @rymbre
    @rymbre 11 місяців тому +159

    I couldn't stop listening to the track previews, the way it switched to version 2 was so good. Awesome tips!

    • @ac34116
      @ac34116 11 місяців тому +9

      id say the higher octave sounds more cheesy but thats maybe just me, but i agree with you that the change in octave is actually a sweet development if used together

    • @danny.phanmusic
      @danny.phanmusic 10 місяців тому +1

      yup its too good to be in this video

    • @allseven5177
      @allseven5177 10 місяців тому

      @@ac34116 I agree. The higher octave sounds more cheesy. It all sounds cheesy.

    • @MosheBenChaim
      @MosheBenChaim 10 місяців тому +2

      @@allseven5177
      The music itself is cheesy.. 😂

  • @francisguyo
    @francisguyo 11 місяців тому +138

    Music creation has so many secrets just like in this video. You need a lot of learning and deep understanding to create amazing music. Great content!

    • @ceasarsalad2055
      @ceasarsalad2055 10 місяців тому +6

      But the thing is these aren't even kept as "secrets". These things are really just naturally adapted through years of experience and one wouldn't even think about explaining this to a beginner because they wouldn't even notice themselves that this is their thought process. It's amazing really how he can teach us small things that makes a huge difference

    • @Nako3
      @Nako3 10 місяців тому +5

      At the same time you can have 0 music knowledge and still create something great

    • @ileryon4019
      @ileryon4019 10 місяців тому +4

      Bruh just learn music theory

    • @alexmasak
      @alexmasak 10 місяців тому

      This isn't a secret at all. This is beginner level stuff that you should just intuitively know without anyone telling you

    • @schqrr
      @schqrr 10 місяців тому

      exacttly bro

  • @GuRuGeorge03
    @GuRuGeorge03 11 місяців тому +63

    Great advice. I don't make music anymore but i remember learning lessons like this the hard way through 1000s of hours of experimenting, listening to my tracks in actual clubs and stuff. Some great advice that i can give is to try to copy your favourite music, you will hit roadblocks quite quickly and it will show you what you don't know yet, so you can then search for the information more directly

    • @TheR6R6R
      @TheR6R6R 10 місяців тому +3

      +1 This is what I do all the time. The only negative I can think of is that we have to be able to rub away the sound of the artists' we were 'studying' when the time finally comes for us to create something original. Otherwise, that's just copying.

    • @kantstress
      @kantstress 10 місяців тому

      ya this is the method

    • @volderhamer
      @volderhamer 10 місяців тому +5

      @@TheR6R6R Although if you copy from enough people, it becomes original again.

    • @andyto629
      @andyto629 10 місяців тому +4

      Yep. Go for the sound you love. It’s pretentious to think that your track will even be compared to the Artist you’re channeling

    • @kantstress
      @kantstress 10 місяців тому

      @@andyto629 fr

  • @ihaetschool3361
    @ihaetschool3361 11 місяців тому +27

    another tip for aspiring prodeucers who don't want cheesiness: start out making songs in minor keys... major is arguably the hardest key to work with, after locrian. it's not easy to make something non-cheesy with it. it's also very easy to make something really happy with minor, contrary to how minor is usually described. try making a VI-VII-v-i progression, for example. in A minor, that would be F-G-Em-Am. seriously, it's a great, happy-sounding progression. try throwing in a #VII (G#CD# here)in there, too, it can add some spice to the progression, the sky's the limit here

    • @andyto629
      @andyto629 10 місяців тому

      It’s cool to see someone actually talking classical theory on here, especially Roman numerals

  • @timmeeow
    @timmeeow 10 місяців тому +10

    I love simple tricks that you never think of despite seeming obvious. I'm on board too, sometimes when I say "finishing touches" on a project, that means I'm sitting in my editor incrementing a value in the default window then running it from the top. I know I like what I created, it just doesn't sound good yet lol
    Great video! The overlay information you add like "|----| subbass would sit here" is so helpful and entertaining to boot.

  • @Beyond_The_Fade555
    @Beyond_The_Fade555 11 місяців тому +29

    I love how generous you are with the knowledge u give away, thank u ive been gollowing u for 5 years, and learned the most i know from this channel.

  • @yamamushi
    @yamamushi 10 місяців тому +3

    I love these short to the point videos covering the problem and the solution in a few minutes, rather than the 30 minute videos one comes across from other UA-camrs where they have to try to sell you something at least 3 times in the video and you feel like they could have covered the same thing in a third of the time.

  • @aaronbazil
    @aaronbazil 11 місяців тому +38

    Those two versions could just be one section, then leading up to the next version to uplift the mood.
    One section alone the whole time, as far as arrangement goes, would become stale. So there's movement between sections: you start at the bottom and rise up.

    • @athmaid
      @athmaid 10 місяців тому +3

      Yeah that's a common problem with EDM imho, people copy paste too much without thinking about common methods like sequences to make a track more interesting and have it build and progress naturally

    • @aaronbazil
      @aaronbazil 10 місяців тому +1

      @gordonbeckgb I mean, yeah, there's a place in the world for microwave ready edm tracks, as much as there is the opposite where there are elements of actual songwriting and musicianship. I love both. If I can, I wanna marry both together, if I can, in my own world.

  • @Wendel_Kos
    @Wendel_Kos 8 місяців тому

    this is MASSIVE advice and a trap i used to fall for! Nexus and a lot of general stuff have no beef at lower octaves. Its much better to program lower octaves yourself and give those sounds a little space. Thanks for this video :)

  • @nrXic
    @nrXic 11 місяців тому +13

    I make Happy Hardcore so this actually helps me make cheesier stuff. Thanks for all your tutorials, all great stuff!

  • @etfoltz
    @etfoltz 10 місяців тому +1

    5:45 I love the way the lines dance to the music. They look like they're alive and enjoying it :)

  • @xxzman
    @xxzman 11 місяців тому +1

    Such a sick track. Great tips and sounds!

  • @leonhard3944
    @leonhard3944 9 місяців тому

    2:27 I have definitely made this mistake before! Thanks for setting me straight

  • @djicebreaker80
    @djicebreaker80 10 місяців тому

    That was pretty cool, thanks for sharing your knowledge about how changing just the octaves makes it’s a sweet and very uplifting feeling, more brighter

  • @LLAWREN
    @LLAWREN 11 місяців тому +7

    not only do you give great advice, your music also sounds awesome! 🔥👏😊

  • @Bluth96
    @Bluth96 11 місяців тому +2

    I like your style of teaching and sound of your music! Can you do a long form video of you just making a song so beginners can get a feel of the process?

  • @uffevonlauterbach
    @uffevonlauterbach 11 місяців тому +1

    I don't really make EDM anymore, but the topic of production is still important, so I feel like I learned something.

  • @JoeStuffzAlt
    @JoeStuffzAlt 11 місяців тому +2

    I kind-of liked the cheese, but this tutorial can be used to create cheese. Also, I like some of the EQ tricks.

  • @thisguystrats
    @thisguystrats 10 місяців тому +1

    I was waiting for a super subtle change... Then the melody jumps a whole octave 😂

  • @LogicKidroy
    @LogicKidroy 10 місяців тому +2

    Big Z sharing really useful knowledge.

  • @mattmavromusic
    @mattmavromusic 11 місяців тому +3

    Such a simple but effective tip! Thank you!!

  • @PATRICKoxoEthafulm
    @PATRICKoxoEthafulm 11 місяців тому

    Man that ‘just eq it to make room for the bass ‘was something I needed to hear to get me out of the box

  • @apersononurphone920
    @apersononurphone920 10 місяців тому

    "powerful instead of cheesy" okay this guy gets it

  • @quinnobi42
    @quinnobi42 10 місяців тому

    I could definitely tell there was something more going on in the high end in the one-two comparison at the beginning. I didn't realise that moving whole parts up or down an octave could sound so similar. I guess with the synths there's a lot of overtones so it wouldn't be as noticeable as on an acoustic instrument.

    • @Beos_Valrah
      @Beos_Valrah 10 місяців тому

      Acoustic instruments usually have many overtones too

    • @quinnobi42
      @quinnobi42 10 місяців тому

      @@Beos_Valrah certainly, but obviously in a different way since they sound different.

    • @Beos_Valrah
      @Beos_Valrah 10 місяців тому

      @@quinnobi42 This is not in your initial comment, you can edit it

  • @ericlemontu9099
    @ericlemontu9099 10 місяців тому +1

    Great Stuff Z, as usual ! Thanks for your time and sharing your knowledge!

  • @cooloneshellchew1986
    @cooloneshellchew1986 11 місяців тому

    Bro is the hero of my production !!!!!!

  • @FrankHarding-g6c
    @FrankHarding-g6c 11 місяців тому

    Love it, this stuff is so important but so few people take the time to talk about it. Biggups!

  • @deatheternal720
    @deatheternal720 10 місяців тому

    I did a track a cpl nights ago(for my wife as a valentines gift- it will premier on valentines on my channel rofl) where I took an 808, made one pattern, then copied it and all the mixing plugins(compressor for sidechain, util for stereo widening, and a cpl other things)
    and the pattern, but i pitched it down an octave for the sub, aand i put an eq 8 on the main where i made room for the sub.
    I also made the sub super wide comparatively.

  • @mvricks90
    @mvricks90 11 місяців тому +3

    When the bass notes changes you may have alterations in volume thats emphasized due to the low cut. Wouldn't it be a good solution to apply a dynamic eq like soothe instead? edit: damn that background synth is really cool!

  • @CombatCatYT
    @CombatCatYT 11 місяців тому +2

    Of course remember. It depends on the song. If you are trying to make a cheesy sounding song. Do that. Creative pursuit triumphs.

  • @Maltino_Music
    @Maltino_Music 11 місяців тому +3

    Great Tutorial! Can u do a Video on using Stereo vs. Mono? Where do pan certain elements and what instruments should be centered.

    • @hithere4289
      @hithere4289 11 місяців тому +1

      theres no rule, but to get to that point where you need no rules you first need to make your song sound strong. that means all important elements are center and additive elements are free to roam the stereo spectrum like say a shaker thats at the bottom of your mix? well you can make it go L R in a soft way to give it movement

    • @Maltino_Music
      @Maltino_Music 10 місяців тому

      @@hithere4289Thanks. I Usually make Pads a bit more stereo and atmoshpere drones. I try to keep vocals, leads and bass centered and try to use the stereo for the drums (like shakers and stuff stereo).
      Would u agree with me when i say, that u can put ur core elements in mono, because if u do it well, every element has its own space and does not crowd the center too much?
      Best of greetings

  • @TodaysThinks
    @TodaysThinks 10 місяців тому +3

    I think you shoulda started this video with your definition of cheesy. That concept seems subjective. I absolutely love both, for what it's worth. I think having it at the lower octave sounds... More solemn, nervous, or mournful. In shock. Processing. Lots of uncertainty. But version two sounds only triumphant, with no possibility that anything has gone poorly. It's almost a shame to waste the version that is that line on that octave. Is this full track anywhere online? I would love to scribble on it for funsies. Anyway I'll finish watching the video. Only halfway through... 😃

  • @Paraay
    @Paraay 11 місяців тому

    Basic but extraordinarily and remarkably important 🔥

  • @DisRespectoids
    @DisRespectoids 10 місяців тому

    Right away you can tell version 2 is better because it’s a better version of the same idea, one of the big mistakes I and probably apt of people make with our music is being too into one moment and not into how to maximize what that moment represents in the best way possible, what can you add and subtract change variate etc it’s so important

  • @youngkizzi9944
    @youngkizzi9944 11 місяців тому +2

    Just sooo insane ❤❤❤

  • @Nedvio
    @Nedvio 11 місяців тому

    Awesome video as always

  • @KableTdi
    @KableTdi 3 місяці тому

    also you could sidechain the sub to the bass

  • @willyp249
    @willyp249 10 місяців тому

    not many times i like the music in instruction videos but this is pretty good

  • @keithrutherford8785
    @keithrutherford8785 10 місяців тому

    If you liked this video, research the overtone series. This is the theory behind why this octave adjustment is so critical and changes everything!

  • @JimijaymesProductions
    @JimijaymesProductions 10 місяців тому

    If you want extra cheesy just copy and do all 3 of those octaves for that lead synth.

  • @ketz_165
    @ketz_165 10 місяців тому

    Happy deadmau5 vibes that was fire

  • @allans1212
    @allans1212 11 місяців тому

    Each video is a masterclass 🔥

  • @bestlifeever1211
    @bestlifeever1211 11 місяців тому +3

    broooo.....value bomb, great track idea too. You should do a remix contest with it

  • @djruslanmazaev
    @djruslanmazaev 8 місяців тому

    beautiful track bro

  • @Walid.OnTheTrack6725
    @Walid.OnTheTrack6725 10 місяців тому

    i'm gonna watch your whole channel

  • @Beatsbasteln
    @Beatsbasteln 10 місяців тому

    i totally forgot that this was something i learned at some point

  • @musicbycarlo
    @musicbycarlo 11 місяців тому

    You're an OG, Big Z.

  • @Fiveash-Art
    @Fiveash-Art 10 місяців тому

    That song reminds me of the scene when Natalie Portman's character is communicating with that weird A.I alien god thing at the end of Annihilation.

  • @sandersonstunes
    @sandersonstunes 10 місяців тому

    I love seeing tip on arrangements. It's too easy to get trapped in the gear or techniques of music production but at the end of the day a well written song with poor production is better than a bad written song with the best production.

  • @kjellbeats
    @kjellbeats 11 місяців тому +1

    fantastic advice!

  • @hannesjilmstad
    @hannesjilmstad 11 місяців тому

    Haven't even watched the video or listened to the demos for the new pack but I just bought it anyway because vol. 1 was the best purchase of my life

  • @joewolf38
    @joewolf38 10 місяців тому

    I think that's the first thing you realise when you start making music. How to place instruments in "space" and "time". Like in classical music:-). (chord breakdown, layering)

  • @elijahlucian
    @elijahlucian 10 місяців тому

    Your videos are the bomb. And your music is dope too

  • @JulesKennedvitch
    @JulesKennedvitch 11 місяців тому

    This is what I was thinking of lately ! It's amazing how this video was suggested to me at the right moment !
    Great content, thank you ! And your music sounds so good !

  • @threepe0
    @threepe0 11 місяців тому +2

    Neither sounds cheesy. If version one wasn't there, two wouldn't have an impact. Neither would that hesitation to deliver on that note in version two. But I suspect you know that ;-)

  • @hdslave
    @hdslave 10 місяців тому +3

    both sound cheesy. everything sounds cheesy to me today, maybe need to take a break from it all

  • @JulianMaea
    @JulianMaea 10 місяців тому

    yes, you’re shaking your head more in post lol

  • @proxzi
    @proxzi 10 місяців тому

    useful stuff

  • @ericgoldin4600
    @ericgoldin4600 11 місяців тому

    Thanks Big Z you da man!

  • @ViN-EzL
    @ViN-EzL 11 місяців тому

    Damn son you make dem synth sound fine.

  • @phillynn79
    @phillynn79 10 місяців тому

    Wow, nice and unforgettable advice, thanks! And great track!

  • @saras1150
    @saras1150 10 місяців тому

    great advice!

  • @hubertprieger1766
    @hubertprieger1766 11 місяців тому +1

    Super great tip! Your advice is very helpful. Thanks so much and thanks for your great music! I like this track

  • @mystikrebel1089
    @mystikrebel1089 11 місяців тому

    really good tips !

  • @justinthiele5967
    @justinthiele5967 10 місяців тому

    So my two cents…bass needs to be at the sweet spot consistently. However, the synth sounded great going from the lower octave to the higher octave in the track. In fact, leaving it at the lower octave before going to the higher octave added to the excitement of the track.

  • @devohnhenry5828
    @devohnhenry5828 8 місяців тому

    hey big z! if its worth your time can you make tut on how you create your chords for songs. genres of piano house like MK?

  • @Patricia_Taxxon
    @Patricia_Taxxon 10 місяців тому +2

    this is incomprehensible. 6 minutes of... what, noting the concept of register? your initial example didn't sound "cheesy" it just had a lot of arbitrary emptiness. this isn't "why your tracks sound cheesy" its just a video of you making decisions for specific sounds in a specific track based near exclusively on vibes.

    • @disrespecc9678
      @disrespecc9678 10 місяців тому

      It may be incomprehensible and a video with no end goal, but going off vibes (if you have music theory) seems like it should work

    • @Patricia_Taxxon
      @Patricia_Taxxon 10 місяців тому

      yeah i already go off vibes i dont need a tutorial for that

    • @disrespecc9678
      @disrespecc9678 10 місяців тому

      @@Patricia_Taxxon real

  • @JulianMaea
    @JulianMaea 10 місяців тому

    great tips for everyone!

  • @PhazeOfficial
    @PhazeOfficial 10 місяців тому

    This track is a banger, release 🔥

  • @matt.mastery
    @matt.mastery 11 місяців тому

    Damn that song was good. And the sounds really nice. Will download

  • @AudioAssassin
    @AudioAssassin 11 місяців тому +1

    Absolutely right, my friend. I get the feeling that you have been producing for around as long as I have.
    This is my 24th year of production :)

  • @beantreats
    @beantreats 11 місяців тому

    really great explanation style

  • @kipchickensout
    @kipchickensout 10 місяців тому

    Version 1 and 2 - from "meh not my type" to "yeeeeeeeahh"

  • @mou_aissa
    @mou_aissa 11 місяців тому

    Nice job mate !!

  • @metalyeezy
    @metalyeezy 10 місяців тому

    this is craazy

  • @schqrr
    @schqrr 10 місяців тому

    big help thanks bro

  • @Stochholm
    @Stochholm 11 місяців тому

    Are you going to publish this track soon?.. It´s amazing

  • @johnsignoretti4002
    @johnsignoretti4002 11 місяців тому

    Great tutorial!! Any future tutorials on EDM melody composition?? Thank you very much

  • @julianmoncada6764
    @julianmoncada6764 10 місяців тому

    Great video!!

  • @BonkerzMusicOfficial
    @BonkerzMusicOfficial 10 місяців тому

    Your slope is very sharp with 36dB be careful, also switch to natural phase your mix will sound better.

  • @johnviera3884
    @johnviera3884 11 місяців тому

    this is The Business guy!

  • @tehRealPRM420
    @tehRealPRM420 10 місяців тому

    Thanks for the tip :)

  • @BrandNewUsername
    @BrandNewUsername 11 місяців тому

    That's why trumpets are cooler than trombones 😎

  • @alexanderperisteris8163
    @alexanderperisteris8163 10 місяців тому

    nice track!

  • @AdrianMakBC
    @AdrianMakBC 10 місяців тому

    you are a genius

  • @matt_freund
    @matt_freund 11 місяців тому

    Sweet tips man!

  • @ypy6337
    @ypy6337 11 місяців тому +1

    Is This rule for bass for EVERY LAYER? Or it's just for SUBBASS?

  • @goldenmushrooms48
    @goldenmushrooms48 11 місяців тому

    i feel like the cheesy part just got cheesier in my opinion 😂 love ur videos and advice regardless

  • @jnfe
    @jnfe 10 місяців тому

    I want to hear this song in full. Where is it?

  • @Astral-Sine-Techno
    @Astral-Sine-Techno 11 місяців тому

    Thank you sir. : )

  • @AlexGeek
    @AlexGeek 10 місяців тому

    The synths alone remind me of Jarre

  • @mr.g4350
    @mr.g4350 2 місяці тому

    HEY BRO! HOW CAN I DOWNLOAD THIS PROJECT? I NEED THIS ONE PLEEEAAAASE! :)

  • @gothicwvlff
    @gothicwvlff 9 місяців тому

    2:14 daniel give me coffee

  • @BVSISofficial
    @BVSISofficial 11 місяців тому

    Great channel thank you

  • @prodbymutio
    @prodbymutio 11 місяців тому

    This is so good

  • @partlysimpson5154
    @partlysimpson5154 11 місяців тому +2

    Coz they sound like modern pop music

  • @nickbatt399
    @nickbatt399 10 місяців тому

    Thank you I love you

  • @SoundPeaks
    @SoundPeaks 10 місяців тому

    dope tune