Thanks for an awesome video and technique. One issue I always find with the Canadian drop loop is that, if you and your partner split the ends of the rope in Kiwi Coils and clip in further than 40 feet apart, it seems like you would need either a 60M or possibly 70M rope to have enough spare rope to perform this technique. You could definitely get some extra distance by using your idea to clip into one of the extra alpine butterfly loops on the rope, but what if there aren't any (i.e. you are within a few feet of the crevasse lip) and your partner is unable to ascend? It seems like you would then need to haul on the loaded strand, which would require some sort of load transfer to unweight the fixed alpine butterfly? Just curious if I am wrong, but to me, it seems that the Canadian Drop Loop requires a really long rope or for you to have all of the extra coils on the right end.
George, thanks for the comment. if you even space with extra coils you will end up slightly short, you are right! However, you can always tie a knot anywhere along the first dropped loop to start your haul. Clipping the knots on the loaded side is always and option and has worked nearly 99% of the time.
Thanks for the video. Learned a few things. Wouldn't you want to have a locker on the victim though? Also, when ascending the rope, I normally use a foot prussik and a waist prussik. Unless I did not see right you seem to only have a belay device on the waist. What would happen if you let go of everything?
I believe he had the belay device clipped in "guide mode" so that it's auto-locking. I've never seen a guide -mode device used this way...not sure I'd trust it :-P
The ATC is in guide mode. It is safe to use that way and a great way to switch from rapping to ascending. You need to unweight the ATC with a foot loop on a prusik above the ATC, then clip it into the belay loop with a locker in guide mode. This is commonly done and just as secure as using a prusik as your progress capture. And as always, you can always throw some overhands knots on bites below the ATC and clip them into your harness as you ascend to create an extra layer of security should the system fail
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Thanks for an awesome video and technique. One issue I always find with the Canadian drop loop is that, if you and your partner split the ends of the rope in Kiwi Coils and clip in further than 40 feet apart, it seems like you would need either a 60M or possibly 70M rope to have enough spare rope to perform this technique. You could definitely get some extra distance by using your idea to clip into one of the extra alpine butterfly loops on the rope, but what if there aren't any (i.e. you are within a few feet of the crevasse lip) and your partner is unable to ascend? It seems like you would then need to haul on the loaded strand, which would require some sort of load transfer to unweight the fixed alpine butterfly?
Just curious if I am wrong, but to me, it seems that the Canadian Drop Loop requires a really long rope or for you to have all of the extra coils on the right end.
George, thanks for the comment. if you even space with extra coils you will end up slightly short, you are right! However, you can always tie a knot anywhere along the first dropped loop to start your haul. Clipping the knots on the loaded side is always and option and has worked nearly 99% of the time.
Great vid
Thanks for the video. Learned a few things. Wouldn't you want to have a locker on the victim though? Also, when ascending the rope, I normally use a foot prussik and a waist prussik. Unless I did not see right you seem to only have a belay device on the waist. What would happen if you let go of everything?
I believe he had the belay device clipped in "guide mode" so that it's auto-locking. I've never seen a guide -mode device used this way...not sure I'd trust it :-P
The ATC is in guide mode. It is safe to use that way and a great way to switch from rapping to ascending. You need to unweight the ATC with a foot loop on a prusik above the ATC, then clip it into the belay loop with a locker in guide mode. This is commonly done and just as secure as using a prusik as your progress capture.
And as always, you can always throw some overhands knots on bites below the ATC and clip them into your harness as you ascend to create an extra layer of security should the system fail