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The fact that Pokemon group length (for more serpentlike Pokemon), wingspan (for bird Pokemon), and height (for most Pokemon) as one thing: height. a good example of this is Falinks.
gholdengo is lighter then gengar the coin entity Pokemon with the ability good as gold that states A body of pure, solid gold gives the Pokémon full immunity to other Pokémon's status moves. A BODY OF PURE SOLID GOLD!!!! lighter then a ghost whose category is the shadow Pokémon gengar's Weight 89.3 lbs. gholdengo's Weight 66.1 lbs. sure they're both Ghost types I'm pretty sure having a body made of pure solid gold is heavier than a ghost Made out of Shadows
Yeah, if you think about it too hard, you realize that MOST Pokémon's size/weight ratio means their mass is way off and should basically float like balloons.
that meme is sooo dumb since 1. Pikachu lifted Cosmoem before and 2. it's a psychic type... it floats, Ash basically just pushes it around where it floats
@@mr.gamewatch6165 The Pokedex lists weight, not mass. Weight is a function of gravity, so negating gravity through flotation also negates weight. The Pokedex says that Cosmoem *weighs* 999.9 lbs, so that must be after the floating has been accounted for. Ash is still swole.
The devs definitely give me the impression of people who understand how much other humans weigh, but not other animals, so they just kind of think in terms of "how many humans can we fit in this Pokemon and how much would they weigh" without actual regard for how the mass of a creature would have to be distributed within its body, at least when it comes to the larger Pokemon.
4:04 We have absolutely NO idea what Stakataka’s bricks are made of, its weight could be perfectly reasonable due to the properties of whatever alien stone or concrete-equivalent Stakataka is made of, because remember (for all you about to ask why I’d assume it’s an alien material), it’s an ultra beast, a Pokémon-equivalent creature from a completely different universe
@@CoolKat-g1zbrick like is different from bricks, my guy. and whatever place stakataka came from could maybe have like, light bricks or somethin. and as said by guy above, each brick is a living organism.
My guess is the weird inconsistencies in Pokemon weights compared to their irl counterparts is a mix of extreme guestimation work and game balancing, since weight-based moves would need to be altered entirely if Pokemon had more accurate weights, and likely because Gamefreak doesn't want to suddenly change a Pokemon's weight between gens and the Gameboy established how weights will work for the future of the franchise, as limited as it was
Not part of the argument, I just think it's funny that the ability Light Metal only sometimes reduces the damage of moves like Low Kick and Grass Knot by only 20 BP. Sometimes, it doesn’t even do that.
Honestly, I don't think they should even bother with weight based moves. But also, the weight issues started in gen one and the weight attacks weren't programmed until gen 3. (low kick had a 1 in 3 chance to flinch in gen 1 and 2)
By all known laws of aviation. A flying pokémon shouldn't be able to fly. Their wings are too damn small to get fat little body off the ground. But the flying pokémon doesn't care. What lockstin thinks is impossible. Because they're flying, type and magic. Yada yada yada yada
The height being tripled is arguably even funnier because ‘Ton should only twice its old height due to how its segments are positioned. Unless their lower magnets are measured as their legs.
@@cobaltprime9467 mostly wrong yes, but sometimes it's also due to the depiction of the pokemon in each generation itself. There are some sprites that are the exact color only for the official art, new sprites or models to then change it to something else.
@@cobaltprime9467 here are some examples of sprites which differ in color and their current color classification: Murkrow (black): used to be black/grey in gen 2-3 only to go to dark blue which is more inline with the official art. Shuppet (black): it's grey in gen 3 but they turned it more blueish. (Home absolutely obliterates shuppet by turning it light blue???) Exeggutor (yellow): his heads used to be more yellow in the sprites, they are now really pale. Nosepass (gray): it's more rock colored with a small hue of blue in gen 3 but afterwards turned fully dark blue. (It also got eviscerated by home into a really light blue??)
@@cobaltprime9467 here are some examples of sprites which differ in color and their current color classification: Murkrow (black): used to be black/grey in gen 2-3 only to go to dark blue which is more inline with the official art. Shuppet (black): it's grey in gen 3 but they turned it more blueish. (Home absolutely obliterates shuppet by turning it light blue???) Exeggutor (yellow): his heads used to be more yellow in the sprites, they are now really pale. Nosepass (gray): it's more rock colored with a small hue of blue in gen 3 but afterwards turned fully dark blue. (It also got eviscerated by home into a really light blue??)
"Congratulations on getting a job at gamefreak. Your job will be heights and weights of pokemon." *crap I only know bear and sardine weights... I'm sure I'll figure it out*
Fun fact: While Gastly and Haunter weigh just a few grams, Gengar weighs roughly 40kg. The reason for this is that Gengar is supposed to represent a Ghost manifesting a physical body in order to interact with our plane of existance.
Wait a minute, Furret's absurd size has been attributed to it being measured length-wise, but it's a quadruped, not a fish or a snake. If we are to take its measurement literally, instead of assuming lenght/its height when standing, then it must be 5'11 from the bottom of its foot to the top of its shoulder. That, uh, would be a big floof noodle.
5’11” is ridiculous even if it’s measured nose-to-tip. Furret’s the size of those guys who say they’re six feet tall on dating apps because they’re insecure about the extra inch.
I think it's been said before that a Pokémon's height and weight are always the last details made when designing a Pokémon, hence why they don't really make any sense.
A random thought hit me... The "Komala IS the log" theory makes sense, if only because the thing is "sleeping like a log"! Best way to sleep like a log? Be a log. Why did I suddenly think of "A Hard Day's Night?" while watching this video? No idea. But that's why I thought about it.
I've seen people frequently be like "Lillie must have super strength to be able to carry Cosmoem, it weighs 2200 lbs" which I feel ignores the fact that Cosmoem is literally unaffected by gravity. The weight means nothing when it is constantly floating. You could poke it and it'd probably just go drifting through the air. It does not stop defying gravity just because Lillie put it in a backpack
My main answer is simply put: game balance. Really think about it. If the weights were more accurate, then moves like Heavy Slam would go BONKERS. Changing them now would probably need an overhaul of Heavy Slam's calculations.
Also Grass Knot and Low Kick would need to be reworked as well, they'd be in a lot of cases around the power of Dynamic Punch or Close Combat without the atrocious accuracy of the former or the drawbacks of the later.
Primal Kyogre is 32' 02" tall/long, and weighs 948 lbs. The largest male orcas are about the same length 30-32 feet long, BUT IN MASS a male orca is 14,000 to 22,000 lbs!!
If you check the size comparison for the Pokémon in the Pokédex, it does measure the full height of four-legged Pokémon beside the trainers, so horns, fur, and ears are taken into account.
Well, Pokémon are also able to shrink down to miniscule sizes so there's clearly something going on with their density or what they're made of (magic? Special energy?)
@Gnoggin @15:24 that is not Rockwool, that is fiberglass insulation. Rockwool is grey, looks and feels VERY different from standard insulation. Signed a very nerdy carpenter
Fun thing that the games will probably never have again, you could teach the small birds to fly and have them fly you around. Most would probably use the evolutions, but I like to imagine there were some people who got Fly, caught the nearest Pidgey, and force a 1 foot 4 pound bird to fly them around.
[bleep]-ing THANK YOU A while ago I was trying to figure out what Pokemon would be most suited for riding using base speed and assuming they can only lift 20 percent of their body weight and discovered surprisingly few pokemon could work for that. I thought Scolipede would be a great pick with it's speed boost ability and a 112 base speed, but they barely weight more than an ostrich. And Aggron should be twice as heavy as it is if its really completely iron.
I saw a thing recently that if Furret is measured as it should for height, it should be huge. But it is marked in the pokedex as having the serpent body type, which probably accounts for its tail, like a snake.
I think that stuff like Lucario's height almost makes sense in terms of the Pokemon creators wanting some of the monsters to maybe be smaller than the kids that would use them if they're humanoid, but given the more average-human-like heights of many starters in more recent gens, they've definitely moved away from that, if that was their thinking.
To be fair, we don't really have sizes for what a lot of Pokémon "should" be Like, Lucario has taller vibes, but there's no reason to say that it being just under 4' is unreasonable, just not what we assumed
I'm wondering if the "in game explanation" could be that gravity works differently in pokemon. The UA-camr Adef made a video about how most flying type pokemon would not be able to accommodate a teen on their backs and fly easily. While the real answer is that gamefreak didn't have weights and these kind of thoughts as their main priorities, I think it would be cool if we learned that gravity just works differently. It's easier to fly, things weigh less (in most cases), so whatever planet the pokemon world is on has very light gravity. I wonder if that applies to other moves? And does using the move gravity just make it into earth's gravity? Fun thought experiment.
Or, maybe there aren't physical rules in the world like gravity. Children also can't be killed by fire or electrocution in this world, so why even bother trying to parse out how gravity might work haha
@@BusinessSkrub Gravity is a literal move though, as well as since Gen 8 having a Pokémon, Flapple, with the move Grav Apple that is literally a reference to Sir Isaac Newton
@robertparkhurst4034 and the pokedex references Indian elephants, your point being? I'm not saying gravity doesn't exist, I'm saying obviously the rules in the Pokemon world are completely different than ours, so trying to make real world sense of the in-game numbers is always going to be weird. Who knows how mass and density and gravitational forces work in the friggin' Pokemon world. 🤷🏼
I once calculated the density of Dwebbles rock by extracting the model and getting the canon volume. It was exactly correct for certain kinds of rock so I think they definitely look into some of this sometimes
4:44 Those aren't White-tailed Deer, they appear to be either fallow or Sika Deer. EDIT: Oh it's AI isn't it. Please don't use AI images of animals, as an ecologist this greatly annoys me. There's lots of public domain images of pretty much every common animal species.
I didn't notice it with the deer, but the antler and nose of the elk after it DEFINITELY made me suspicious. And you're absolutely right that using AI here is ridiculous.
yeah honestly, I don't think GF is measuring from toe to shoulder for most of these, they probably are including the head. But you also have to take into account, what "type" of weight. For example, in terms of mass, if you have the same mass for fat and muscle, muscle will weigh more than fat. Which can also be taken into account with rocks and metals, to which, I don't know the exact differences. And also, we don't know the anatomy of Pokémon... like Onix... does it ACTUALLY have fleshy organs or not? Is it more hallow inside? I don't think that's stuff that's ever been really talked about.
One that I found that seemed surprisingly right was Piplup. I don't have my notes that I took with the exact values handy, but it seems to be an appropriate weight for an emperor penguin of its size. Much denser than most birds, even most penguins, but emperor penguins are also unusually dense; their bones are denser so they can withstand the barotrauma of emerging from the deep depths they dive to.
To be fair, I wouldn't be surprised if the Pokemon worlds measurements are different or while they're based on real world animals, they're sizes and heights may NOT be, they are monsters after all
My headcanon is that, since the Pokédex is written by kids for kids, rather than measuring the actual weight of the Pokémon, some kid put each Pokémon on a basic scale and just wrote down whatever number came up. The thing is, some of these Pokémon are very broad, so the force of their weight isn't all concentrated on the one spot being measured, they're also being held up by other legs or chunks of body, so the scale doesn't measure all of their weight; meanwhile, others, which ARE small enough to have the entire force of their weight measured by a single scale, might be exerting more downward force than their weight alone would cause, being magical creatures. Basically, most Pokédex weights are wrong because the person who weighed them was a child and didn't take all the factors into account.
Since weight is determined by gravity's affect on a mass, it's possible that the gravity in the Pokemon world is different than Earth's gravity. This could be why it's so easy for Team Rocket to blast off again, and not be dead from the landing. Course, that doesn't explain the mons that are heavier than their IRL counterpart
The best idea I can come up with is their Infinity Energy, alongside their proven ability to naturally shrink down when out of energy, that proceeds to explain how Pokeball technology was engineered to capture them, makes them naturally lighter than real world animals
I love the theory that the Pokédex is written by 10 year olds which explains the heights, weights and ridiculous feats ‘Oh my Arceus! This Pokémon is so soo hot he much be like a million degrees!’ ‘Wow this one is so strong he must be able to punch a through mountain!!’
Weights seem to always be less than real world equivalents. I wonder if it’s not a difference in weight, but rather a difference in gravity on the Pokémon planet? If the Pokemon world has lower gravity that could explain a lot, like how easily Pokemon like Charizard, Dodrio, and Pelipper are able to fly despite their wings being so small, and also how in so many forms of media pokeballs get a pretty significant distance arc when thrown, and get a decently high bounce upward after hitting the ground.
In legends arceus, i think its professor laventon says that pokemon have the ability shrink down, hence capturing them in small pokeballs. I know gamefreak probably didnt plan this but maybe an in-lore explanation to the weird height and weight have something to do with their shrinking properties?
Maybe the weights are generally so low because they become light and go into pokeballs and, I believe Legends Arceus stated that that was just a property of pokemon?
huh, ya know, maybe they weighed Hippowdon when it was empty, and so was quite light, after all if it can hold all that sand in there it must have a pretty large cavity/chamber, which would make it pretty light, right?
When I look at the pokedex, I use the height as the length for all the Pokémon. I miss the size comparison between the Pokémon and trainer to help understand how the pokedex works. Wait, the trainer is supposed to be doing the pokédex thing!
8:04 oi, they have hollow bones so they can store more oxygen. When scientists compared the weight of a bird skeleton and mouse with the exact same mass, their skeletons also had similar masses to each other
Glad you've been able to come up with videos like this, hopefully your channel is still performing alright throughout the drought. Thankfully we have Pokémon Day coming up!
I'm willing to bet that all these weight and size oddities with pokemon is a leftover from when real-world animals were a thing in the pokemon universe. I'm assuming the thought process was that pokemon were relatively small creatures and had to make up for it with magical powers to defend against predators or something.
A lot of people really don’t consider the Pokédex to be scientifically accurate based on all the ridiculous entries, even with Pokemon logic considered so maybe that’s why the weights and heights are so weird
I understand why people use this excuse, because a lot of Pokedex stuff is crazy, but it also makes the Pokedex itself sound entirely pointless if it's all made up of inaccurate information.
@@mastermarkus5307I wouldn't say the information is useless, just that the information collected by literal 10 year olds and probably not the most reliable in world haha
I had a morbid thought, but: What if most Pokemon weights, sans the ones too heavy for the scale, are just their bodies without the magical energies contained within them? LIke, the aura/type energy/etc dry weight off Hippowdon might might be like 1/17th of an actual hippo, but when its alive and active its likely heavier. Same applies for other Pokemon who are seemingly made of likely heavier materials but are lighter than they'd suggest Legendaries may simply be extrapolations from non Legendaries with similar body plans, while Mythicals or Legendaries with confirmed multiple individuals may have come from a handdful of examined Specimines When you think of it like this, suddenly Wailord makes alot of sense - as if its "Float Whale" name is a pun on the fact that if it werent for its Water typing maintaining its density perfectly, it' never be able to live an aquatic life properly. I also like to think that Arceus just gave someone its specific dimensions in a dream. . .just to mess with them.
8:07 This is to my understanding a myth. Bird bones are hollow, but they are more dense than mammal bones. The result is that a given volume of bird skeleton weighs about as much as a mammal skeleton of the same volume. The hollow bones are for making room for air sacs rather than making the bone lighter.
Birds are so light for other reasons, it's not that their bones are hollow, but rather thin, their whole anatomy actually makes them have less mass per volume, kinda like hair, takes up a lot of volume, but it isn't all there
If you want my opinion, considering that Pokémon were built to battle as often as they do, it makes sense that a good bunch of them should be light enough to move more nimbly or heavy enough to tank hits better than their real life counterparts would.
Obviously the fact they're not real creatures in a not real world makes up most of the excuse/justification for these weights, but I would argue that Stakataka, alongside any other Ultra Beast that might have a weird weight, get an even bigger pass since, even in the world of Pokémon, they're weird and unusual. Stakataka being so light is probably just a nature of its world
I love when people don't under scale and make hilariously ridiculous sizes. My personal favorite pokemon is Furret when you realize that beast is 5"11. Though I find the smaller ones are funnier when you think in the context of the show and everyone has these 50+lbs weights sitting on their shoulder.
skeledirge also feels a bit too light to me considering the 1.6 metres comes from it rearing up. It's not meant to be one of those giant saltwater crocodiles, but 326.5 kg is still very light for the nile crocodiles that it's inspired by.
The reason that the weights are so weird is probably for balance reasons, moves like heavy slam and heat crash depend on the user and targets weight to calculate damage, so having higher variance in pokemon weight (like super light insects or million ton Groudon) would make moves like that way too strong. That’s probably why we see it trend somewhat towards the center, especially on the extreme ends
You want another weight that makes little sense? Magearna. Its made out of solid steel, 175lb feels very light for something made out of steel. I did some basic calcs, and its density roughly 100kg per square meter, with steel's density itself being 7,850kg per square meter. Yeah, Magerna is probably somewhat hollow with gears, but not THAT hollow.
I doubt they would ever change the heights to fit if tye change the weights, the most they could do is scale everything based on how its height works for the animal. I would give some exceptions though like Arbok being the height of its head while "standing" to give it a bit more length, quadrupeds that can stand on their hind legs like Beartic/Ursaluna being measued from foot to head
I think the weight thing has to do with the square cube law. All of the weights are based on the cross section area with a thickness of a person and not the full volume of the different characters. Since non humanoid dimensions are rare to deal with we don’t know intuitively how weight scales up to those sizes.
To be fair, the birds also have the mystical type energy of Flying to help them, well, fly. So it's not *just* their wings. So they could be heavier than plain physics would allow
On one hand, holy hell, calculating an accurate weight for over 100 Pokémon EVERY generation. On the other hand, Gamefreak is just a small indie company, they can't hire a grunt to work that out.
Yeah, I think they know that 99% of their players don't even think about the weight, since it doesn't (usually) matter for gameplay. So the guy assigning weights probably just types in the first number that comes to mind while looking at it.
(5:03) Hey lockstin here’s a list of Pokémon likes I’m very passionate about. a few u could keep an eye on, and a couple vintage ones Monster Crown: Pc, Temtem: Pc, Pokengine: FreeBrowser, Pokémon Insurgence: FreePc, Risimon: Pc, Portal fantasy: Pc, Elebits: Ds, SuperpokemonEevee Pc, SuperCardBuddyFighter3: 3DS, Spectrobes2: Ds, Pokimals: Gameboy Color, D-mon: Gameboy Color, Crystal monsters: DsiWare, Puzzle and Dragons Z: 3Ds, These are all semi traditional Pokémon like games.
I love how despite their weight telling you that they qpuld be physically not able to fly. Most flying type Pokémon are not only able to fly nevertheless but also able to additionally carry their trainers 😂😂
As far as I remember, there's an university tesis that disproved the other tesis that claimed that Wailord would float (by counting parts of wailord that were left outside the measurement in the first tesis when they tried to make all the segments into geometrical shapes for the math required to tell if wailord would float or not).
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The fact that Pokemon group length (for more serpentlike Pokemon), wingspan (for bird Pokemon), and height (for most Pokemon) as one thing: height. a good example of this is Falinks.
Can someone explain the storyline behind primal forms?
gholdengo is lighter then gengar
the coin entity Pokemon with the ability good as gold that states A body of pure, solid gold gives the Pokémon full immunity to other Pokémon's status moves. A BODY OF PURE SOLID GOLD!!!! lighter then a ghost whose category is the shadow Pokémon
gengar's Weight 89.3 lbs.
gholdengo's Weight 66.1 lbs.
sure they're both Ghost types I'm pretty sure having a body made of pure solid gold is heavier than a ghost Made out of Shadows
@@idzbbyboy It's the form they had when creating the continents and oceans before Rayquaza stopped their fight
@Ren_Ca canon? 🤔
did you know that the weight of Schooling Wishiwashi divides perfectly into Solo Wishiwashi’s?
telling us there are 262 Wishiwashi is a school
Neato
Yeah, if you think about it too hard, you realize that MOST Pokémon's size/weight ratio means their mass is way off and should basically float like balloons.
That one Melee stage:
how else are you going to carry them around in your pocket?
Gamefreak is only good with roughly humanoid size/weight ratios
Igglybuff moment
Fish Pokemon on land be like
I don't even remember where "a single large boulder the size of a medium boulder" comes from but it makes me laugh every time
I believe the reference is from a sheriff department that sent out a message saying large boulder the size of a small boulder is blocking a road
@@Kite0404I'm pretty sure it was confirmed that they meant to say "the size of a small car" but mistyped.
Ash lifting cosmoem will forever be the peak example of gains
To be fair, Cosmeom floats, so it wouldn’t be surprising if it was easy for Ash to handle that Pokémon
that meme is sooo dumb
since 1. Pikachu lifted Cosmoem before
and 2. it's a psychic type... it floats, Ash basically just pushes it around where it floats
@@mr.gamewatch6165 The Pokedex lists weight, not mass. Weight is a function of gravity, so negating gravity through flotation also negates weight. The Pokedex says that Cosmoem *weighs* 999.9 lbs, so that must be after the floating has been accounted for. Ash is still swole.
@Celestia282 you can’t weigh a floating object because it can’t impart a force on a scale.
@Celestia282 999 lbs is mass
The devs definitely give me the impression of people who understand how much other humans weigh, but not other animals, so they just kind of think in terms of "how many humans can we fit in this Pokemon and how much would they weigh" without actual regard for how the mass of a creature would have to be distributed within its body, at least when it comes to the larger Pokemon.
4:04 We have absolutely NO idea what Stakataka’s bricks are made of, its weight could be perfectly reasonable due to the properties of whatever alien stone or concrete-equivalent Stakataka is made of, because remember (for all you about to ask why I’d assume it’s an alien material), it’s an ultra beast, a Pokémon-equivalent creature from a completely different universe
Plus each “brick” is a living organism, not just your average space construction material, so it’s likely they’re not even 100% mineral or metallic.
Bro stop your argument, Stakataka's made of "Brick like material" and I am guess the aliens lived on space Japan, like with earthquakes and stop
@@CoolKat-g1z what
@@CoolKat-g1zbrick like is different from bricks, my guy. and whatever place stakataka came from could maybe have like, light bricks or somethin. and as said by guy above, each brick is a living organism.
@@grahhhhimevil Still might include weight.
My guess is the weird inconsistencies in Pokemon weights compared to their irl counterparts is a mix of extreme guestimation work and game balancing, since weight-based moves would need to be altered entirely if Pokemon had more accurate weights, and likely because Gamefreak doesn't want to suddenly change a Pokemon's weight between gens and the Gameboy established how weights will work for the future of the franchise, as limited as it was
Ya thats what I was thinking because most of them have heavy slam or something so it would be so broken
Honestly that makes sense
Weight-based moves didn’t exist until gen 3 though, and Pokemon weight weirdness started in gen 1.
Not part of the argument, I just think it's funny that the ability Light Metal only sometimes reduces the damage of moves like Low Kick and Grass Knot by only 20 BP.
Sometimes, it doesn’t even do that.
Honestly, I don't think they should even bother with weight based moves. But also, the weight issues started in gen one and the weight attacks weren't programmed until gen 3. (low kick had a 1 in 3 chance to flinch in gen 1 and 2)
By all known laws of aviation. A flying pokémon shouldn't be able to fly. Their wings are too damn small to get fat little body off the ground. But the flying pokémon doesn't care. What lockstin thinks is impossible. Because they're flying, type and magic. Yada yada yada yada
And let's not forget about the birds that don't even have *proper* wings (Skarmory) that somehow still fly
@@caseystafford6750 Doduo and Dodrio are literal Ostriches/Emus and can learn Fly despite being flightless birds
Also Doduo and Dodrio.@@caseystafford6750
My favourite will forever and always be Magneton being 10x the weight of Magnemite. The height is just tripled, logically, and yet...
The height being tripled is arguably even funnier because ‘Ton should only twice its old height due to how its segments are positioned. Unless their lower magnets are measured as their legs.
official weights and the official color system are both so BROKEN lol!
The official colors are just wrong
@@cobaltprime9467 mostly wrong yes, but sometimes it's also due to the depiction of the pokemon in each generation itself.
There are some sprites that are the exact color only for the official art, new sprites or models to then change it to something else.
@@cobaltprime9467 here are some examples of sprites which differ in color and their current color classification:
Murkrow (black): used to be black/grey in gen 2-3 only to go to dark blue which is more inline with the official art.
Shuppet (black): it's grey in gen 3 but they turned it more blueish. (Home absolutely obliterates shuppet by turning it light blue???)
Exeggutor (yellow): his heads used to be more yellow in the sprites, they are now really pale.
Nosepass (gray): it's more rock colored with a small hue of blue in gen 3 but afterwards turned fully dark blue. (It also got eviscerated by home into a really light blue??)
@@cobaltprime9467 here are some examples of sprites which differ in color and their current color classification:
Murkrow (black): used to be black/grey in gen 2-3 only to go to dark blue which is more inline with the official art.
Shuppet (black): it's grey in gen 3 but they turned it more blueish. (Home absolutely obliterates shuppet by turning it light blue???)
Exeggutor (yellow): his heads used to be more yellow in the sprites, they are now really pale.
Nosepass (gray): it's more rock colored with a small hue of blue in gen 3 but afterwards turned fully dark blue. (It also got eviscerated by home into a really light blue??)
@@NitosaThere's also Pelliper, who's classified as yellow, but the only thing yellow about it is its beak.
4:37 that Sawsbuck image is not official, is fan art that Pragmatik commissioned
Ok, and?
I thought it’s leaves looked droopy . What was the reason behind that leaf design ?
@@umwha it was represent the monsoon season in India
"Congratulations on getting a job at gamefreak. Your job will be heights and weights of pokemon."
*crap I only know bear and sardine weights... I'm sure I'll figure it out*
For Fennikin's big head: It does evolve into a Psychic type so big brain can work.
For birds: Eh, flying type wind energy helps.
Fun fact: While Gastly and Haunter weigh just a few grams, Gengar weighs roughly 40kg. The reason for this is that Gengar is supposed to represent a Ghost manifesting a physical body in order to interact with our plane of existance.
Wait a minute, Furret's absurd size has been attributed to it being measured length-wise, but it's a quadruped, not a fish or a snake. If we are to take its measurement literally, instead of assuming lenght/its height when standing, then it must be 5'11 from the bottom of its foot to the top of its shoulder. That, uh, would be a big floof noodle.
Furret can also stand on its hind legs, so i'd say its from the bottom of its back legs to the top of the head (still pretty big though)
5’11” is ridiculous even if it’s measured nose-to-tip. Furret’s the size of those guys who say they’re six feet tall on dating apps because they’re insecure about the extra inch.
I think it's been said before that a Pokémon's height and weight are always the last details made when designing a Pokémon, hence why they don't really make any sense.
A random thought hit me... The "Komala IS the log" theory makes sense, if only because the thing is "sleeping like a log"! Best way to sleep like a log? Be a log.
Why did I suddenly think of "A Hard Day's Night?" while watching this video? No idea. But that's why I thought about it.
I've seen people frequently be like "Lillie must have super strength to be able to carry Cosmoem, it weighs 2200 lbs" which I feel ignores the fact that Cosmoem is literally unaffected by gravity. The weight means nothing when it is constantly floating. You could poke it and it'd probably just go drifting through the air. It does not stop defying gravity just because Lillie put it in a backpack
3:36 "A single large boulder the size of a medium boulder." Ah yes, i would like a large Dr. Pepper in a medium cup.
My main answer is simply put: game balance.
Really think about it. If the weights were more accurate, then moves like Heavy Slam would go BONKERS. Changing them now would probably need an overhaul of Heavy Slam's calculations.
Also Grass Knot and Low Kick would need to be reworked as well, they'd be in a lot of cases around the power of Dynamic Punch or Close Combat without the atrocious accuracy of the former or the drawbacks of the later.
Primal Kyogre is 32' 02" tall/long, and weighs 948 lbs. The largest male orcas are about the same length 30-32 feet long, BUT IN MASS a male orca is 14,000 to 22,000 lbs!!
If you check the size comparison for the Pokémon in the Pokédex, it does measure the full height of four-legged Pokémon beside the trainers, so horns, fur, and ears are taken into account.
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Well, Pokémon are also able to shrink down to miniscule sizes so there's clearly something going on with their density or what they're made of (magic? Special energy?)
@Gnoggin @15:24 that is not Rockwool, that is fiberglass insulation. Rockwool is grey, looks and feels VERY different from standard insulation. Signed a very nerdy carpenter
Fun thing that the games will probably never have again, you could teach the small birds to fly and have them fly you around.
Most would probably use the evolutions, but I like to imagine there were some people who got Fly, caught the nearest Pidgey, and force a 1 foot 4 pound bird to fly them around.
"Snorlax being the heaviest non-legendary until it got bested in generation 6 by avalugg"
Metagross: Am I a joke to you?
[bleep]-ing THANK YOU
A while ago I was trying to figure out what Pokemon would be most suited for riding using base speed and assuming they can only lift 20 percent of their body weight and discovered surprisingly few pokemon could work for that. I thought Scolipede would be a great pick with it's speed boost ability and a 112 base speed, but they barely weight more than an ostrich.
And Aggron should be twice as heavy as it is if its really completely iron.
I'm pretty sure a lot of us would be curious to see the results.
Aggron ISNT 100% iron, though, not till it megavolves. It's steel/rock, and rock weighs less than metal
I saw a thing recently that if Furret is measured as it should for height, it should be huge. But it is marked in the pokedex as having the serpent body type, which probably accounts for its tail, like a snake.
While we're at it, the hieghts are strange. Lucario is 3ft 11in(1.2m). Not to mention how Groudon, the god of the ground, is 11ft 06in (3.5m).
There was literally a video where someone used VFX to put some pokemon sizes into context.
@@TheHammerGuy94shout out to frank
I think that stuff like Lucario's height almost makes sense in terms of the Pokemon creators wanting some of the monsters to maybe be smaller than the kids that would use them if they're humanoid, but given the more average-human-like heights of many starters in more recent gens, they've definitely moved away from that, if that was their thinking.
I mean Lucario is a dog so 3 feet makes sense but Groudon I never forgive
To be fair, we don't really have sizes for what a lot of Pokémon "should" be
Like, Lucario has taller vibes, but there's no reason to say that it being just under 4' is unreasonable, just not what we assumed
I'm wondering if the "in game explanation" could be that gravity works differently in pokemon. The UA-camr Adef made a video about how most flying type pokemon would not be able to accommodate a teen on their backs and fly easily. While the real answer is that gamefreak didn't have weights and these kind of thoughts as their main priorities, I think it would be cool if we learned that gravity just works differently. It's easier to fly, things weigh less (in most cases), so whatever planet the pokemon world is on has very light gravity. I wonder if that applies to other moves? And does using the move gravity just make it into earth's gravity? Fun thought experiment.
that doesn't explain the few non-flying ones that are too heavy though
Or, maybe there aren't physical rules in the world like gravity. Children also can't be killed by fire or electrocution in this world, so why even bother trying to parse out how gravity might work haha
Stupid
@@BusinessSkrub Gravity is a literal move though, as well as since Gen 8 having a Pokémon, Flapple, with the move Grav Apple that is literally a reference to Sir Isaac Newton
@robertparkhurst4034 and the pokedex references Indian elephants, your point being? I'm not saying gravity doesn't exist, I'm saying obviously the rules in the Pokemon world are completely different than ours, so trying to make real world sense of the in-game numbers is always going to be weird. Who knows how mass and density and gravitational forces work in the friggin' Pokemon world. 🤷🏼
There is absolutely no way that lockstin DID NOT intend to ask "is your wood made of iridium" for a out of context clip to make fun of
I once calculated the density of Dwebbles rock by extracting the model and getting the canon volume. It was exactly correct for certain kinds of rock so I think they definitely look into some of this sometimes
4:44 Those aren't White-tailed Deer, they appear to be either fallow or Sika Deer. EDIT: Oh it's AI isn't it. Please don't use AI images of animals, as an ecologist this greatly annoys me. There's lots of public domain images of pretty much every common animal species.
I didn't notice it with the deer, but the antler and nose of the elk after it DEFINITELY made me suspicious. And you're absolutely right that using AI here is ridiculous.
Let alone the animals, what is that Sawsbuck form? That ain't summer or autumn form.
@@emerfirek I think that's a regional form to go with the wet season or something. Editor must have gotten confused.
@@Weaving_Spiders
The monsoon season?
... That could be kind of interesting.
@@emerfirek monsoon sawsbuck, fan art that was commissioned by Pragmagik for his India based Pokemon region
I honestly always figured the intended joke with wailord’s weight was that it justified the character model floating
It IS classified as the float whale Pokémon, after all!
yeah honestly, I don't think GF is measuring from toe to shoulder for most of these, they probably are including the head.
But you also have to take into account, what "type" of weight. For example, in terms of mass, if you have the same mass for fat and muscle, muscle will weigh more than fat. Which can also be taken into account with rocks and metals, to which, I don't know the exact differences. And also, we don't know the anatomy of Pokémon... like Onix... does it ACTUALLY have fleshy organs or not? Is it more hallow inside? I don't think that's stuff that's ever been really talked about.
6:28. As a horse girl that made me loudly chuckle. My first thought was a foal or a tiny horse
One that I found that seemed surprisingly right was Piplup. I don't have my notes that I took with the exact values handy, but it seems to be an appropriate weight for an emperor penguin of its size. Much denser than most birds, even most penguins, but emperor penguins are also unusually dense; their bones are denser so they can withstand the barotrauma of emerging from the deep depths they dive to.
what about magneton being 10 times the weight of a magnemite?
13:32 good god what breed of apples are you talking about? how small are they? eight?! 20 cm is perfectly fine for three apples stacked on top.
15:19 Electrode has a weight of EVIL kilograms
To be fair, I wouldn't be surprised if the Pokemon worlds measurements are different or while they're based on real world animals, they're sizes and heights may NOT be, they are monsters after all
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@@dedmed8139 yesh
@@ConfettiBerg Nuh uh
My headcanon is that, since the Pokédex is written by kids for kids, rather than measuring the actual weight of the Pokémon, some kid put each Pokémon on a basic scale and just wrote down whatever number came up. The thing is, some of these Pokémon are very broad, so the force of their weight isn't all concentrated on the one spot being measured, they're also being held up by other legs or chunks of body, so the scale doesn't measure all of their weight; meanwhile, others, which ARE small enough to have the entire force of their weight measured by a single scale, might be exerting more downward force than their weight alone would cause, being magical creatures. Basically, most Pokédex weights are wrong because the person who weighed them was a child and didn't take all the factors into account.
Since weight is determined by gravity's affect on a mass, it's possible that the gravity in the Pokemon world is different than Earth's gravity. This could be why it's so easy for Team Rocket to blast off again, and not be dead from the landing.
Course, that doesn't explain the mons that are heavier than their IRL counterpart
The best idea I can come up with is their Infinity Energy, alongside their proven ability to naturally shrink down when out of energy, that proceeds to explain how Pokeball technology was engineered to capture them, makes them naturally lighter than real world animals
My headcanon is that the weight units used in the Pokemon world are different than ours despite having the same names.
I love the theory that the Pokédex is written by 10 year olds which explains the heights, weights and ridiculous feats
‘Oh my Arceus! This Pokémon is so soo hot he much be like a million degrees!’
‘Wow this one is so strong he must be able to punch a through mountain!!’
The "snorlax" rule did so much damage.
Like they were NOT allowed to make pokemon heavier then Snorlax as some internal BIBLE.
Weights seem to always be less than real world equivalents. I wonder if it’s not a difference in weight, but rather a difference in gravity on the Pokémon planet? If the Pokemon world has lower gravity that could explain a lot, like how easily Pokemon like Charizard, Dodrio, and Pelipper are able to fly despite their wings being so small, and also how in so many forms of media pokeballs get a pretty significant distance arc when thrown, and get a decently high bounce upward after hitting the ground.
For Maushold, surely the little souplings could've grown up from its infancy stage to the more childlike stage
Yeah, I thought that was an odd complaint. Like, Lockstin, the whole thing about babies and children is that they grow lol
You really should've brought up Mudsdale when you were talking about the horses. It's insanity how heavy it is.
In legends arceus, i think its professor laventon says that pokemon have the ability shrink down, hence capturing them in small pokeballs. I know gamefreak probably didnt plan this but maybe an in-lore explanation to the weird height and weight have something to do with their shrinking properties?
Maybe the weights are generally so low because they become light and go into pokeballs and, I believe Legends Arceus stated that that was just a property of pokemon?
No
To borrow a quote from the TFWiki, "Scale in Pokemon is screwed."
You would need just over five Hippowdon to equal the weight of a hippopotamus, not 15 if the numbers at 1:50 are correct.
Cosmoem is insanely dense for its size, it weighs more than Groudon, but it makes sense because it’s a protostar which are extremely dense already
And yet Ash was able to hold Cosmoen in the anime series... Ash must have the strength of a god. O_O
huh, ya know, maybe they weighed Hippowdon when it was empty, and so was quite light, after all if it can hold all that sand in there it must have a pretty large cavity/chamber, which would make it pretty light, right?
When I look at the pokedex, I use the height as the length for all the Pokémon. I miss the size comparison between the Pokémon and trainer to help understand how the pokedex works. Wait, the trainer is supposed to be doing the pokédex thing!
The Pokémon HOME mobile app has a height comparison feature.
8:04 oi, they have hollow bones so they can store more oxygen. When scientists compared the weight of a bird skeleton and mouse with the exact same mass, their skeletons also had similar masses to each other
Glad you've been able to come up with videos like this, hopefully your channel is still performing alright throughout the drought. Thankfully we have Pokémon Day coming up!
The weight issue is probably related to how the game actually uses weight to determine damage
I'm willing to bet that all these weight and size oddities with pokemon is a leftover from when real-world animals were a thing in the pokemon universe. I'm assuming the thought process was that pokemon were relatively small creatures and had to make up for it with magical powers to defend against predators or something.
everything in the pokemon universe is just measured differently from ours- thats my theory.
or nintendo is just goofy. either one is possible.
Adef's videos on Mathematically what Pokémon should be able to use Fly and Surf do a great look into this and are well worth a watvh
A lot of people really don’t consider the Pokédex to be scientifically accurate based on all the ridiculous entries, even with Pokemon logic considered so maybe that’s why the weights and heights are so weird
I understand why people use this excuse, because a lot of Pokedex stuff is crazy, but it also makes the Pokedex itself sound entirely pointless if it's all made up of inaccurate information.
@@mastermarkus5307I wouldn't say the information is useless, just that the information collected by literal 10 year olds and probably not the most reliable in world haha
@mastermarkus5307 I mean yeah. That's the point. It's made by kids, so it's inaccurate
4:40 Oh hey, isn't that the Monsoon Sawsbuck from the Devhar region?
0:08 actually, Metagross weighs more than Snorlax
16:03 says in italian accent “that’s a dense sheep ball”
I had a morbid thought, but:
What if most Pokemon weights, sans the ones too heavy for the scale, are just their bodies without the magical energies contained within them? LIke, the aura/type energy/etc dry weight off Hippowdon might might be like 1/17th of an actual hippo, but when its alive and active its likely heavier. Same applies for other Pokemon who are seemingly made of likely heavier materials but are lighter than they'd suggest
Legendaries may simply be extrapolations from non Legendaries with similar body plans, while Mythicals or Legendaries with confirmed multiple individuals may have come from a handdful of examined Specimines
When you think of it like this, suddenly Wailord makes alot of sense - as if its "Float Whale" name is a pun on the fact that if it werent for its Water typing maintaining its density perfectly, it' never be able to live an aquatic life properly.
I also like to think that Arceus just gave someone its specific dimensions in a dream. . .just to mess with them.
No
They had to have some numerical limit, because is weird how no Pokémon weights more than 999 KG.
8:07 This is to my understanding a myth. Bird bones are hollow, but they are more dense than mammal bones. The result is that a given volume of bird skeleton weighs about as much as a mammal skeleton of the same volume. The hollow bones are for making room for air sacs rather than making the bone lighter.
Birds are so light for other reasons, it's not that their bones are hollow, but rather thin, their whole anatomy actually makes them have less mass per volume, kinda like hair, takes up a lot of volume, but it isn't all there
No
For the cats and some others, the "height" might be the length after all
If you want my opinion, considering that Pokémon were built to battle as often as they do, it makes sense that a good bunch of them should be light enough to move more nimbly or heavy enough to tank hits better than their real life counterparts would.
Obviously the fact they're not real creatures in a not real world makes up most of the excuse/justification for these weights, but I would argue that Stakataka, alongside any other Ultra Beast that might have a weird weight, get an even bigger pass since, even in the world of Pokémon, they're weird and unusual. Stakataka being so light is probably just a nature of its world
It's a stupid excuse
XD Poor Locktin's dismayed 'The math doesn't add up!' made me giggle, I can't lie. XD
Moo Deng is in the thumbnail yay!
I love when people don't under scale and make hilariously ridiculous sizes. My personal favorite pokemon is Furret when you realize that beast is 5"11. Though I find the smaller ones are funnier when you think in the context of the show and everyone has these 50+lbs weights sitting on their shoulder.
thank you for bringing this up, it's something that's bothered me since I first noticed Groudon's weight back in Diamond
“That is the weight… of a single large boulder the size of a medium boulder” 😆😂🤣
My theory, all the Pokemon are secretly just toys in disguise.
skeledirge also feels a bit too light to me considering the 1.6 metres comes from it rearing up. It's not meant to be one of those giant saltwater crocodiles, but 326.5 kg is still very light for the nile crocodiles that it's inspired by.
The reason that the weights are so weird is probably for balance reasons, moves like heavy slam and heat crash depend on the user and targets weight to calculate damage, so having higher variance in pokemon weight (like super light insects or million ton Groudon) would make moves like that way too strong. That’s probably why we see it trend somewhat towards the center, especially on the extreme ends
You want another weight that makes little sense? Magearna. Its made out of solid steel, 175lb feels very light for something made out of steel. I did some basic calcs, and its density roughly 100kg per square meter, with steel's density itself being 7,850kg per square meter. Yeah, Magerna is probably somewhat hollow with gears, but not THAT hollow.
I doubt they would ever change the heights to fit if tye change the weights, the most they could do is scale everything based on how its height works for the animal. I would give some exceptions though like Arbok being the height of its head while "standing" to give it a bit more length, quadrupeds that can stand on their hind legs like Beartic/Ursaluna being measued from foot to head
You probably weight more than like a third of pokemon I think
You're also probably taller than a lot of pokemon
Steelix being massively lighter than an adult African Elephant bull that it dwarfs height wise will never not be surprising
I used to look at the official weights for street fighter characters, and it’s like “ZANGIEF: 6’5” 210lbs”
I think the weight thing has to do with the square cube law. All of the weights are based on the cross section area with a thickness of a person and not the full volume of the different characters. Since non humanoid dimensions are rare to deal with we don’t know intuitively how weight scales up to those sizes.
pokemon height and weight is the only canon i will ✨ignore✨ sometimes
The anime and side games seem to
It needs to be taken with a grain of salt
I am convinced most of these weights are this light for only a few reasons: 1. the heavy ball. 2. weight based attacks.
When ever i look at the dex expeshaly with weight and hight being the Average of the whole spices and none ever looks at the dex like that
To be fair, the birds also have the mystical type energy of Flying to help them, well, fly. So it's not *just* their wings. So they could be heavier than plain physics would allow
On one hand, holy hell, calculating an accurate weight for over 100 Pokémon EVERY generation.
On the other hand, Gamefreak is just a small indie company, they can't hire a grunt to work that out.
Yeah, I think they know that 99% of their players don't even think about the weight, since it doesn't (usually) matter for gameplay. So the guy assigning weights probably just types in the first number that comes to mind while looking at it.
(5:03) Hey lockstin here’s a list of Pokémon likes I’m very passionate about.
a few u could keep an eye on, and a couple vintage ones
Monster Crown: Pc, Temtem: Pc, Pokengine: FreeBrowser, Pokémon Insurgence: FreePc, Risimon: Pc, Portal fantasy: Pc, Elebits: Ds, SuperpokemonEevee Pc, SuperCardBuddyFighter3: 3DS, Spectrobes2: Ds, Pokimals: Gameboy Color, D-mon: Gameboy Color, Crystal monsters: DsiWare, Puzzle and Dragons Z: 3Ds,
These are all semi traditional Pokémon like games.
If everything is so much lighter in the world of Pokemon, Ash throwing a Log over his shoulder makes a lot more sense.
What’s Avalugg?
I love how despite their weight telling you that they qpuld be physically not able to fly. Most flying type Pokémon are not only able to fly nevertheless but also able to additionally carry their trainers 😂😂
As far as I remember, there's an university tesis that disproved the other tesis that claimed that Wailord would float (by counting parts of wailord that were left outside the measurement in the first tesis when they tried to make all the segments into geometrical shapes for the math required to tell if wailord would float or not).
To quote broomstick “ I want to ride a charizard, not sit on the couch with it”