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great video! i have a major issue with how this trending "growth mindset" is being taught in primary schools. so many reasons - but one big one is it negates the focus on being discerning when making choices, or being aware of - and taking into account - limitations, which is infact an important survival skill. blindly having a view of "I can't do this thing - yet!.." without any kind of other filter or judgement can easily either lead you down the wrong path, get stuck focusing on tasks that are too hard / way above your zone of proximal development, risk becoming hyper focus on learning incorrect information / performing a task inefficiently, or provide a sense of false encouragement, and eventually harsh dissapointment and lower self-efficacy when your ability doesn't match up to the conditions of reality. I definately encourage providing students with positive reinforcement, but I think there's ways to do it that also develop the ability to handle failure constructively and effectively, as well as allow limitation to become a effective tool for assessing choices in both life and work.
Teachers used to scold me for having a "fixed mindset" when I brought up my very real limitations caused by my disabilities. The obsession with growth mindsets breeds ableism and harms some of the kids who need help the most.
Interesting because fixed mindset is often central to ableism. Growth mindset really itself does not preclude problem solving obstacles to success or obtaining help when needed - it is actually central to success with growth.
Another great video! I remember someone describing that growth mindset should be seen as a “philosophy not an intervention”. I think this very much rings true with the messages you make in this video.
Hi all. My new book '10 Things Schools Get Wrong' is now available. David Bott (my co-author) and I are hosting 3 free 'book launch' webinars starting Feb 17th. The first one will deal with Digital and Distance Learning. You can register at -- LME(dot)global/webinars -- I hope you can join us ... they will be a lot of fun!
I agree. Our school spent a year focusing on convincing students to see failure and low marks as feedback to 'level up' in their quest to mastering a new skill. We didn't just blindly tell students to 'get better', but rather it was deeper focus on providing constructive feedback that help students along the path to learning new things! I know the correlation was shown to be weak, but qualitatively, or anecdotally, I have several success stories of students who couldn't care less about school yet are now well into post-secondary education on a path of passion.
Very interesting stuff, I am writing a speech about the Growth mindset, and I like your idea of it not being discarded just because it doesn't help with academic achievement. Don't worry, I'll cite it xD
Excellent video, It may be that The growth vs fixed mindset may be measuring the Big 5 Personality trait of Openness to experience. This would suggest that it is actually more difficult to change. What is really interesting in the studies is that it appeared that the growth mindset itself was not measured, so no baseline was established.
Mindset is a far more useful idea for teachers - let’s go all the way back to self-fulfilling prophecy work from decades ago. The only way to convince students to adopt a growth mindset is for them to see, feel and use it. So we do say “yet” and then we use learning approaches (interleaving, worked examples, vertical learning and so on) but we need to help students access the learning strategies. Ours and our students mindset is really about growing optimism and self-efficacy rather than a learning tool.
Well done, Sir! It seems 'mindset' is a very fuzzy concept with respect to how to define variables and constructs, and to measure them in a meaningful way. Also, reinforcement history (individuals' experience, plus access to motivation feedback loops) likely matters much more than simply adopting a "mindset." The meta study by Sisk and good company is gold. Thank you.
1:10 Fine..people with a fixed mindset believe their abilities are innate and set in stone while those with a growth mindset believe their abilities are mallable..here we're talking about what you believe..but scientifically who's right ?? Can our abilities change with effort..🤔
A mindset intervention? What on earth is that and what could that look like? I seriously doubt the efficacy of a mindset intervention. Mindset is organically developed through experience. A truly new mindset can only be achieved from the learner and their experience. Even then it’s specific outcome cannot be assumed. Two different people may develop wildly different mindsets from the same set of experiences. This is obvious. In other words, a mindset is achieved through unique experiences, and most likely cannot be blankety proscribed. Very interesting area, though! Fascinating stuff. I think the potential upshot is enormous if we can crack some of this code of the human condition.
Interesting video. I know your focus is education, but I would be curious on any scientific studies pertaining to growth mindset in relation to the workforce. That is where I encountered it the first time.
You say a lot through your video “Scientist have found” I want to know what research and what scientist. At least Carol Dweck cites her sources in her Tedtalks
I have to disagree about mindset, If you don't believe you can learn something, Language, psychics, algebra etc. You would not even try in the first place
That's not how meta analyses work: this paper includes data from all relevant papers, including all of Dweck's own work - so no cherry picking. If you watch to the end you'll see how best to frame mindset beyond 'academic achievment' - which, I believe, is the point you are trying to make.
There is selectivity bias in this video. There are many studies which demonstrate that there is a correlation between mindset and scores. There are also studies which demonstrate that mindset can boost academic achievement. You need to demonstrate that these studies are invalid or wrong. U have not done that, infact you have not demonstrated any criticism of the studies they have conducted. You have to demonstrate that their studies were biased or do not actually show the results that they show. You have dismissed the theory on the grounds that it is 'popular,' but something being popular or not popular cannot be the grounds for demonstrating whether it is true or not. Please do a better job and a more honest analysis of the same. This video is bad and harmful.
Join me LIVE on Zoom later this month (July 22-26th, 2024) as I teach a metacognition course for teens (13-19). Give your teenager a mental advantage that will help them succeed in school and beyond as they discover how to step into the driver's seat of their own mind. Sign up here: www.lmeglobal.net/summer-academy
What's worse, is people using 'growth mindset' to insult others.
"You fail because you don't have a growth mindset."
This is what puts people off.
great video! i have a major issue with how this trending "growth mindset" is being taught in primary schools. so many reasons - but one big one is it negates the focus on being discerning when making choices, or being aware of - and taking into account - limitations, which is infact an important survival skill. blindly having a view of "I can't do this thing - yet!.." without any kind of other filter or judgement can easily either lead you down the wrong path, get stuck focusing on tasks that are too hard / way above your zone of proximal development, risk becoming hyper focus on learning incorrect information / performing a task inefficiently, or provide a sense of false encouragement, and eventually harsh dissapointment and lower self-efficacy when your ability doesn't match up to the conditions of reality. I definately encourage providing students with positive reinforcement, but I think there's ways to do it that also develop the ability to handle failure constructively and effectively, as well as allow limitation to become a effective tool for assessing choices in both life and work.
Teachers used to scold me for having a "fixed mindset" when I brought up my very real limitations caused by my disabilities. The obsession with growth mindsets breeds ableism and harms some of the kids who need help the most.
Interesting because fixed mindset is often central to ableism. Growth mindset really itself does not preclude problem solving obstacles to success or obtaining help when needed - it is actually central to success with growth.
Another great video! I remember someone describing that growth mindset should be seen as a “philosophy not an intervention”. I think this very much rings true with the messages you make in this video.
Hi all. My new book '10 Things Schools Get Wrong' is now available. David Bott (my co-author) and I are hosting 3 free 'book launch' webinars starting Feb 17th. The first one will deal with Digital and Distance Learning. You can register at -- LME(dot)global/webinars -- I hope you can join us ... they will be a lot of fun!
Excellent. I still don't think it's worth losing time to it while I could be teaching the math I want them to learn.
I guess what is the most important point about Growth Mindset is to persevere and be confident in learning a new skill.
I agree. Our school spent a year focusing on convincing students to see failure and low marks as feedback to 'level up' in their quest to mastering a new skill. We didn't just blindly tell students to 'get better', but rather it was deeper focus on providing constructive feedback that help students along the path to learning new things! I know the correlation was shown to be weak, but qualitatively, or anecdotally, I have several success stories of students who couldn't care less about school yet are now well into post-secondary education on a path of passion.
Thanks for fixing my mindset about growth.
Never set your mind on a growing fixture 🤔
Very interesting stuff, I am writing a speech about the Growth mindset, and I like your idea of it not being discarded just because it doesn't help with academic achievement. Don't worry, I'll cite it xD
Excellent video, It may be that The growth vs fixed mindset may be measuring the Big 5 Personality trait of Openness to experience. This would suggest that it is actually more difficult to change. What is really interesting in the studies is that it appeared that the growth mindset itself was not measured, so no baseline was established.
Thank you!!!
Thanks! You've put into words sth my intuition told me.
Mindset is a far more useful idea for teachers - let’s go all the way back to self-fulfilling prophecy work from decades ago. The only way to convince students to adopt a growth mindset is for them to see, feel and use it. So we do say “yet” and then we use learning approaches (interleaving, worked examples, vertical learning and so on) but we need to help students access the learning strategies. Ours and our students mindset is really about growing optimism and self-efficacy rather than a learning tool.
Well done, Sir! It seems 'mindset' is a very fuzzy concept with respect to how to define variables and constructs, and to measure them in a meaningful way. Also, reinforcement history (individuals' experience, plus access to motivation feedback loops) likely matters much more than simply adopting a "mindset."
The meta study by Sisk and good company is gold. Thank you.
1:10 Fine..people with a fixed mindset believe their abilities are innate and set in stone while those with a growth mindset believe their abilities are mallable..here we're talking about what you believe..but scientifically who's right ??
Can our abilities change with effort..🤔
So is there something like a growth mindset that makes any difference?
Thank you so much!
A mindset intervention? What on earth is that and what could that look like? I seriously doubt the efficacy of a mindset intervention. Mindset is organically developed through experience. A truly new mindset can only be achieved from the learner and their experience. Even then it’s specific outcome cannot be assumed. Two different people may develop wildly different mindsets from the same set of experiences. This is obvious. In other words, a mindset is achieved through unique experiences, and most likely cannot be blankety proscribed. Very interesting area, though! Fascinating stuff. I think the potential upshot is enormous if we can crack some of this code of the human condition.
I reckon you're spot on - hence why the interventions (like saying 'wellbeing class') don't have a clinically significant impact!
Interesting video. I know your focus is education, but I would be curious on any scientific studies pertaining to growth mindset in relation to the workforce. That is where I encountered it the first time.
A great video
David Yeager? Tatakae! Tatakae!
You say a lot through your video “Scientist have found”
I want to know what research and what scientist. At least Carol Dweck cites her sources in her Tedtalks
I have to disagree about mindset, If you don't believe you can learn something, Language, psychics, algebra etc. You would not even try in the first place
You are only quoting a studies to fit your agenda here.... there is so much more to growth mindset than you are stating. ( watch Huberman )
That's not how meta analyses work: this paper includes data from all relevant papers, including all of Dweck's own work - so no cherry picking. If you watch to the end you'll see how best to frame mindset beyond 'academic achievment' - which, I believe, is the point you are trying to make.
There is selectivity bias in this video. There are many studies which demonstrate that there is a correlation between mindset and scores. There are also studies which demonstrate that mindset can boost academic achievement. You need to demonstrate that these studies are invalid or wrong. U have not done that, infact you have not demonstrated any criticism of the studies they have conducted. You have to demonstrate that their studies were biased or do not actually show the results that they show. You have dismissed the theory on the grounds that it is 'popular,' but something being popular or not popular cannot be the grounds for demonstrating whether it is true or not. Please do a better job and a more honest analysis of the same. This video is bad and harmful.
i think mindset are 20% and the other 80% are IQ and the cognitive functions a person prefers to use in his unconcious default mode.
Another fad from the scammers that are call themselves "psychologist$".