Hearing Warhammer lore as someone who knows only the very basics is such a fever dream. It’ll be something like “grand duke-marshal Octamus Priminius battled dread-lord Malius Baddus in hand to hand combat for three weeks. Also 3 million unnamed soldiers died on a battlefield akin to WW1 but somehow worse, they’re sacrifice had literally no effect”.
"just sharpe 'em..." Now waiting for Bernard Cornwell's next book in which it is revealed Richard sharp is in fact a perpetual who has fought in every one of mankind's wars
Half of it is because they have to undo Aaraon Dembski-Bowden's immense restarted writing of the emperor. My guy is one of BL's best but he has literally done untold damage to the setting it's insane.
The Sacrifice of the Unnamed Guardsman is way more powerful in the original text. Horus was manipulating the Emperor when he saw the guy, kept pulling on the Emperor’s strings with lines about how he was doing what he was doing for Humanity. He had broken the Emperor completely in body and almost entirely in spirit when the random guy reached the bridge, and Horus tried to convert him. He laid out his whole argument for humanity’s need for warrior-rulers like him and all the dark powers the Emperor had denied them. The guardsman heard all this, internalized it, and then stabbed Horus in the throat. The human was destroyed, instantly. Like flicking a fly. And the Emperor killed his murderer.
Just got done listening to Know No Fear where they talk about Ollanius Persson. They way it's pronounced in the audiobook I thought the name was Allanius.. so A. Persson. Very on the nose, even for GW.
I don't mind Perpetuals in the lore. It's fun imagining the Emperor being such a massive piece of upjumped shit that he alienated almost all of his fellow immortal humans.
I’m thinking back on the number of mortal humans that matter in the Heresy, and while it’s more than Ben describes, it’s less than we’d like: Marshal Hektor Varvarus Scribe-Adept Katanoh Tallery Pilot Banu Rassuah Iterator Kyril Sindermann Remembrancer Euphrati Keeler Imagist Mersadie Oliton Poet Ignace Karkasy Shipmaster Mathanual August Shipmaster Lotara Sarrin Shipmaster Boas Comnenus Shipmaster Baryk Carya General Eugan Temba Flight Officer Racel Vought Vox Officer Tirin Maas Agent Haln Assassin Eristrede Kell Sister of Silence Amendera Kendel Colonel Sparzi Trooper Bale Rane Chamberlain Principal Tarasha Euten And many more, I’m sure
Aww, fuck. Turns out Piers isn’t going to be the one to Mr. President and take the bullet. At least he still got to go out like a badass standing his ground against Angron
Was a good ending for the character all things considered. Although, tbh I don't mind Oll' Persson. He and the Emperor were old friends, possibly the only one the Emperor ever had and so his death is bound to make more sense, for an emotional impact on the Emperor that is, than some random guardsman. Hell, the Big E barely cared for his own sons, I doubt he'd care for an average joe.
@@willl676that’s kind of what I’ve been thinking. The Emperor literally sacrificed 1000 psykers for three hours in the webway, why would he care about some random guy
@@Jeremy_2147some other comment said that, in old lore, the emporer was basically on the ropes against horus, then the guardsman came in. Horus tried to explain his reasoning to the guardsman, making the point that this is for the best of humanity and it is what humanity wants, until the guardsman attacked horus for talking smack and gets annihilated. There I get it, since the guardsman is basically the embodiment of human spirit in the face of overwhelming odds or whatever, so seeing him stand up to a demi-god could have instilled in Big E that he has to win. Alternativly, him so easily smitting away a random Guardsman could have just been to present how far horus was gone....
It still utterly ruins Ollanius Pius. But I do agree they made some things very cool. "Why have you killed my son?" "I wait for you, and I forgive you."
This is more, explain the siege of terra than anything else ... Less an explanation...more a summary Ill summarize Avengers civil war .....The avengers all work to save humanity, this still creates damage,pain and judgement in the world as well as draws another larger enemy to it. Their actions lead to a drive to police the good guys but some of them dislike the ideal..the two groups battle. There you go..no need for the movie or the comics.
Hearing Warhammer lore as someone who knows only the very basics is such a fever dream. It’ll be something like “grand duke-marshal Octamus Priminius battled dread-lord Malius Baddus in hand to hand combat for three weeks. Also 3 million unnamed soldiers died on a battlefield akin to WW1 but somehow worse, they’re sacrifice had literally no effect”.
Can't wait 20 years from now when they reboot all of the Horus Heresy saying that all the books where written from Alpharius's perspective.
"just sharpe 'em..."
Now waiting for Bernard Cornwell's next book in which it is revealed Richard sharp is in fact a perpetual who has fought in every one of mankind's wars
3 years since this moment and they've only just gotten to the dual between horus and sanguinius, they REALLY do drag these books out
It's ridiculous
Bruh, Cadia went to Brazil back in 2017. GW can't move the story forward or they might have to stop selling plastic men...
Half of it is because they have to undo Aaraon Dembski-Bowden's immense restarted writing of the emperor. My guy is one of BL's best but he has literally done untold damage to the setting it's insane.
The Sacrifice of the Unnamed Guardsman is way more powerful in the original text.
Horus was manipulating the Emperor when he saw the guy, kept pulling on the Emperor’s strings with lines about how he was doing what he was doing for Humanity. He had broken the Emperor completely in body and almost entirely in spirit when the random guy reached the bridge, and Horus tried to convert him. He laid out his whole argument for humanity’s need for warrior-rulers like him and all the dark powers the Emperor had denied them. The guardsman heard all this, internalized it, and then stabbed Horus in the throat.
The human was destroyed, instantly. Like flicking a fly.
And the Emperor killed his murderer.
Ollanius Pius. The embodiment of the Imperial Guard.
Always much preferred the original over him being a perpetual
Was it always a guardsmen? Why was it a terminator marine in the text I read?
@@AAWWorldChampionship because like Ben explained in the video there were 3 different stories in the early days of the lore.
Just got done listening to Know No Fear where they talk about Ollanius Persson. They way it's pronounced in the audiobook I thought the name was Allanius.. so A. Persson. Very on the nose, even for GW.
Sure, my venture bros guys turns out to have some tom and ben. Nice
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I wonder how big the overlap is
I don't mind Perpetuals in the lore. It's fun imagining the Emperor being such a massive piece of upjumped shit that he alienated almost all of his fellow immortal humans.
That's amazing that Ben then used this story in a Lorehammer of Yourhammer and Tom didn't immediately remember this
I’m thinking back on the number of mortal humans that matter in the Heresy, and while it’s more than Ben describes, it’s less than we’d like:
Marshal Hektor Varvarus
Scribe-Adept Katanoh Tallery
Pilot Banu Rassuah
Iterator Kyril Sindermann
Remembrancer Euphrati Keeler
Imagist Mersadie Oliton
Poet Ignace Karkasy
Shipmaster Mathanual August
Shipmaster Lotara Sarrin
Shipmaster Boas Comnenus
Shipmaster Baryk Carya
General Eugan Temba
Flight Officer Racel Vought
Vox Officer Tirin Maas
Agent Haln
Assassin Eristrede Kell
Sister of Silence Amendera Kendel
Colonel Sparzi
Trooper Bale Rane
Chamberlain Principal Tarasha Euten
And many more, I’m sure
Aww, fuck. Turns out Piers isn’t going to be the one to Mr. President and take the bullet. At least he still got to go out like a badass standing his ground against Angron
Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.
Was a good ending for the character all things considered. Although, tbh I don't mind Oll' Persson. He and the Emperor were old friends, possibly the only one the Emperor ever had and so his death is bound to make more sense, for an emotional impact on the Emperor that is, than some random guardsman. Hell, the Big E barely cared for his own sons, I doubt he'd care for an average joe.
@@willl676that’s kind of what I’ve been thinking. The Emperor literally sacrificed 1000 psykers for three hours in the webway, why would he care about some random guy
@@Jeremy_2147some other comment said that, in old lore, the emporer was basically on the ropes against horus, then the guardsman came in.
Horus tried to explain his reasoning to the guardsman, making the point that this is for the best of humanity and it is what humanity wants, until the guardsman attacked horus for talking smack and gets annihilated.
There I get it, since the guardsman is basically the embodiment of human spirit in the face of overwhelming odds or whatever, so seeing him stand up to a demi-god could have instilled in Big E that he has to win.
Alternativly, him so easily smitting away a random Guardsman could have just been to present how far horus was gone....
I just want them to keep Ollanius Catholic.
its sad they forget all the remembrancers of all the traitor legions who are really really good... but dead Mortals.
Audio seems to be out of sync
Damn, I'll see if i can do better next time
@@muffindragons To be fair, I think they were slightly out of sync live anyway.
is the audio out of sync?
can anyone gimme the list of bacground music?
Spoiler alert: they ruined it but also kinda didn't? Ollianius is still a mega man but there's some cool stuff added to the fight
It still utterly ruins Ollanius Pius. But I do agree they made some things very cool.
"Why have you killed my son?"
"I wait for you, and I forgive you."
This is more, explain the siege of terra than anything else ...
Less an explanation...more a summary
Ill summarize Avengers civil war .....The avengers all work to save humanity, this still creates damage,pain and judgement in the world as well as draws another larger enemy to it.
Their actions lead to a drive to police the good guys but some of them dislike the ideal..the two groups battle.
There you go..no need for the movie or the comics.
have you never read a book and then had fun explaining it to your friend?