Don’t be FOOLED on Horsemanship: The Ray Hunt and Tom Dorrance Story
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Thank you for tuning into this video. I hope you liked hearing about the wonderful history of Ray Hunt and Tom Dorrance. Of course there are many great horsemen out there, but in my opinion, these men are the dynamic duo that started the revolution in horsemanship today.
It was an arduous process to get here. I started making this video in the early weeks of December and here we are in the middle of March. Needless to say, I hop you like the video.
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Thank you to Buck Brannaman for helping answer questions I had for the video. Big thank you to eclectic horsemen magazine and western horsemen magazine as well.
I'd like to suggest that before the Dorrances and Ray Hunt came to be noticed there have been many horse people as good or better in many different countries. The real contribution that Tom and Ray made was influencing those people who took advantage the new media and internet to disseminate their message through media and internet. They did not invent new principles of horsemanship, but they helped make it available to millions who would otherwise be stuck with obedience of a horse and not partnership as their primary goal. Even in the US, John Rarey and Prof Berry in late 1800s and early 1900s were formative in what was to come in the 1970s and onwards. Now we have people like Harry Whitney whose skills as both a horseman and a teacher have surpassed Ray Hunt (in my view), but only because he stands on the shoulders of people like Hunt and Dorrance.
Yeah I would absolutely agree. I even see it with the Spanish horsemen of old. The californios, Mestenos, etc were excellent horsemen and treated their horses with respect. It is like you said, Tom and Ray influenced entire generations of Americans/clinicians into better relationships with their horses through new media and virtually inventing the horse clinic. Thank you for the insightful comment.
Okay, if it is about who was the first true horseman, let's not forget about the Berbers/Touaregs and the Mongolians. Their horses (The Arabic - Berbers/Touaregs; Akhal Theke - Mongolians) are the most ancient horse breeds (several thousands of years old) and they were the first true horsemen as well (long before the Spaniards, or long before the discovery of the Americas). The point is that the principles of great horsemanship could be discovered by anyone who truly loves horses: it's common sense and those who first disseminated it have been lucky to grow up with horses and discover those principles from their family or through experience!
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The Doransses help to change the world of horses.they stoped the crewel break ing methods and told better ways to understand the heart of the horse and ray was good before that I see no books on them ❤
I've been in horsemanship going on 50 years and have been to a lot of clinicianers. I've never seen anyone present what Tom and Ray presented. Are you sure that you deeply understood their principles? A lot of people think they do but they don't.
Great visuals. Nice job putting this together.
Thank you Judy, appreciate the feedback
I grew up with men born in the 20's and 30's they cowboyed there whole life they all would get in your face if you mistreated a horse around them and I think most of the trainers now don't understand that 1 or 2 hours can't get your horses to the level they did
Yes! The older mature horsemen will bot tolerate any disrespect to a horse. Now it seems most trainers care about the money and wins, the older ones care about the partnership
Horseman are NOT cowboys. Horseman from EUROPE's equestrian practices were different to the cowboy/Mexican vaquero of today its not just the outfit its the specific techniques and gear unique to the cowboy that differentiates itself to european horseman.
Thank you for keeping these Legendary Horsemen alive!!
Ray spoke of this & gave credit to Tom, often. Tom was kinda shy around people, but Ray was wonderful at teaching. Great video.
Greetings from the Cordillera Blanca , Peru. Interesting and creative video. Working from a horse’s needs instead of our own needs is key indeed. Some horsemen struggle with their own self-righteousness and focus, therefore the horse suffers from not being understood. I believe humility and taking time to get to know the horse are two of the key factors that many horsemen lack. Much to be said for sure. Maybe a greater problem yet is that man has put his trust in a creature and not in God who knows the creature .
Humility And framing of the horse from a Godly perspective is critical! Yes and greetings
Breven, this is a really good video. You're getting better at this brother 😎 I liked the way it began in particular ☝️
Also about Tom's so called "disability" which it really wasn't, because of his desire to work with and doing something he loved. GOD gives us all gifts and also talents, for reaching out to our fellow humans and to care for the creatures around us. What a beautiful blessing it is to be able to realize that.
Thanks Breven for making this!
Walter...
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Such a great insight Walter! We all have gifts from the Lord and Tom Dorrance absolutely used his.
@@broomtailcountry keep doing these Breven, and I'll keep sharing them. There are a lot of Cowboy lovers out there still Bro.
And as always,
Thank you for your service!☝️
This is in alignment with what I've heard from marine mammals trainers. The people who used to train orca and dolphin at SeaWorld have said that they had to develop training based around the fact that you literally can't force a whale to do anything. The way they talk about training dolphin is very analogous to the little I know about this better way of training horses.
Seabiscuit was a gelding.
Seabiscuit sired 108 foals
@Broomtail Country oh I guess you're right, I always thought he was a gelding. He was just an unsuccessful sire as far as Thoroughbreds go.
@@aquilaranch7378 It's all good. He did have one or two successful foals, but not too many. His most successful foal is probably the one Ray Hunt learned from, because that horse impacted so many people and continues to do so through the lessons we've learned from Ray.
@@broomtailcountry That was mostly on the part of Ray Hunt as Seabiscuit's Sire was known to be "bitter and aggressive" per quotes from the day about Hard Tack. It does seem to be a more hereditary thing in that line for some of the horses to be fairly defiant, hard to handle, hard to train, and the more pressure such as spurs or whips used on them, the more they pushed back. If Hondo had gone to someone else. . . .that horse may have truly hurt the person or himself the way he bucked and pushed back on the "brawn methods" of training horses in.
It was by chance those two met like the free horse that won the 100 mi endurance race this past year. Someone gave the horse away that was so phenomenal at endurance it won the 100 mi race. Random chance of horse and human meeting and becoming a great pair. First owner saw a problem and got rid of the horse. Second saw something there. Hondo was the same that if another cowboy was assigned that horse, he may have been really beaten down and/or been sold as untrainable or dangerous.
I like the story but I lost interest in finishing the video because of the very slow speech. . .
That’s pretty helpful to know actually. Thank you for a constructive comment
UA-cam has a speed up option under settings.
@@broomtailcountryCan use speed up on settings.
Buck Brannaman is still doing clinics.
Yep, it’s combining Tom Dorrance and those he trained with clicker training. It’s a game changer! Ask my horse!
I laughed a bit at the Horse Whisperer footage where Bob Redford is clearly overplaying the laying down scene for dramatic effect. You can really see Buck's influence though. Never actually watched the movie so I was seeing that for the first time. Anyway man I really enjoyed this! The all-knowing algorithm just showed me your channel. I like that more people are talking more about these great horsemen on UA-cam nowadays. I'd like to see them become more well-known than the marketing master clinicians. Subbed!
Really interesting great job!
Thank you
Legends are made by dying. The mystique of never knowing how truly great they were but assuming they were because everyone said so. I've watched videos of the old cowboys and horsemen of yesterday and they wouldn't even rate in today's competitive western world. All training techniques concerning the western horse have evolved and improved with each generation except for the most recent sport of reining who have invented the Hoover Vac/peanut pushers. Dorrance and Hunt were needed stepping stones of our western heritage and evolution to get to where we are today. And with all of the flags being sold over the years since the 80's where would all of these clinicians be without them? In the poor house with the rest of the cowboys. Where would we all be without the blue plastic tarp and the flag? Most of us would have to go home if we forgot to bring them. Honor the past but it's time to start thinking out of the box. These horsemen were not and are not Gods they were masters of their day.
I'm curious. Who would you say is a better living horseman than Tom Dorrance or Ray Hunt? Maybe I should look them up.
(I do trust by "trainers" you're not talking about people who turn out turn-and-burn barrel racers or 20-foot 11-track reiners that break down in a few years, because that's on a par with the TWH Big Lick-ers: not Horsemanship with a capital H.)
They were great teachers and loved the heart of the horse. Viva the Mustangs❤
Ray’s lifetime influenced every level, breed,and equine activity
Yes it did! Thank you for tuning in and watching