Dear Theodosia but both verses are sung simultaneously

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  • Опубліковано 4 гру 2018
  • A duet with counter-melody - starts a bit disjointed and then weaves together more and more.
    Edit, December 9th, 2023: Because this is on my weird alt account, I didn't see that this had 40k views until the video was recommended to me on my main account! Glad that folks enjoy it.
    I made this just for myself because I was curious what it would sound like, then posted it when I found it on my computer a year or so later.
    I only found out after the fact that Hamilton and Burr sang the song like this in previews, but it makes a lot of sense!

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  • @unknownwatcher4583
    @unknownwatcher4583 8 місяців тому +4614

    That "when you smile" part was so beautiful

    • @sophie-emma
      @sophie-emma 7 місяців тому +52

      0:35

    • @_rat_5758
      @_rat_5758 7 місяців тому +15

      Chills

    • @meepmeep1754
      @meepmeep1754 7 місяців тому +8

      ExACtly

    • @b.friedman9278
      @b.friedman9278 7 місяців тому +6

      I was just reading the comments when I saw this and the second I read I read it it happned

    • @didnt_ask14
      @didnt_ask14 6 місяців тому +8

      IKR I STARTED LITERALLY DYING IT WAS GOOD AAAHHHH

  • @finleyforevermore
    @finleyforevermore 8 місяців тому +5180

    Fun fact: In an early version of this song, after Hamilton's verse, Burr and Hamilton actually sang together like this!

  • @KimonoSuki
    @KimonoSuki 7 місяців тому +3514

    It's so interesting how Hamilton is singing to the slower part of the beat while Burr is singing to the faster, plucky part

    • @BlaiseRashelHarman10
      @BlaiseRashelHarman10 7 місяців тому +174

      omg like a foil to burr's wait for it vibe and hamilton frantically doing as much as he can

    • @adami6187
      @adami6187 5 місяців тому +322

      Their children make them change their worldview. For a second, all that matters for Hamilton is to stop and be with his son, and at the same time, Theodosia makes Burr not be afraid to live and wants to keep going. And that’s paralelled and consolidated in the world was wide enough. Burr shoots so Theodosia won't be alone, not throwing away his shot. Hamilton waits for it, wishing to just stop and be with his son forever.

    • @fractalbrooke
      @fractalbrooke 5 місяців тому +69

      Woah, I never thought about Burr shooting so Theodosia wouldn’t be alone… that adds new context to “my father wasn’t around; I’ll be around for you.”

    • @adami6187
      @adami6187 5 місяців тому +58

      @@fractalbrooke yes!!! Also, of course, "this man will not make an orphan of my daughter"

    • @clarinethro1695
      @clarinethro1695 5 місяців тому +12

      Also burr has been associated with plucky strings so that’s a really cool detail

  • @soggysocks4461
    @soggysocks4461 10 місяців тому +3807

    THIS IS HOW IT SHOULDVE BEEN SANG OMG THIS IS PERFECT

    • @lisaczurylo7227
      @lisaczurylo7227 10 місяців тому +31

      it was supposed ot be

    • @MikooOnYoutube
      @MikooOnYoutube 8 місяців тому

      During the show's workshops, it was just like this! ua-cam.com/video/gxcvWqThVQc/v-deo.htmlsi=DOy6jvCvrqlvNOkt&t=3646

    • @nyaball
      @nyaball 8 місяців тому +3

      thatd be impossible in the musical u cant have 2 hamiltons at the same time

    • @soggysocks4461
      @soggysocks4461 8 місяців тому +126

      @@nyaball it’s not two hamilton wdym, burr and hamilton sing this song

    • @ZorgNothing
      @ZorgNothing 8 місяців тому +110

      It would've made it very difficult to understand both verses in a single viewing. Maybe if they'd done it like in Farmer Refuted...

  • @zionkoval7807
    @zionkoval7807 10 місяців тому +6399

    apparently lin revealed this was going to be the origonal verse but cut it for some reason, not sure if you knew or a prediction genius

    • @youmgesandwiche
      @youmgesandwiche 10 місяців тому +251

      Just saw Lin's post and that made me find this video. Bro who posted this is a genius.

    • @apurplekitkat
      @apurplekitkat 10 місяців тому +391

      The way I'm hearing peoples' edits of the original song, they were meant to sing their verses alone and then sing them again at the same time resulting in this version as the second verse then continue to the rest of the song, so maybe that's what Lin meant when he said they cut it for time. Regardless, I'm impressed someone stitched this together long before Lin posted about it.

    • @aribellex
      @aribellex 8 місяців тому +76

      Leslie and Lin would probably get confused and mess up listening to one another sing different verses at the same time

    • @sadgsdhfd
      @sadgsdhfd 8 місяців тому +3

      @@aribellex*Leslie

    • @Vekcrazah
      @Vekcrazah 8 місяців тому +228

      ​@@aribellexthey're professionals, they can rehearse a complicated scene..
      They all pulled off Satisfied, and that seemed to be the most mechanically difficult scene of the show

  • @TLK9419
    @TLK9419 7 місяців тому +1867

    The way their voices harmonize during "when you smile" at 0:34 is so beautiful.

    • @DoryTheExplory29
      @DoryTheExplory29 6 місяців тому +5

      35/36 but like AGREED ❤❤❤

    • @luc1dd_0
      @luc1dd_0 11 днів тому +1

      It’s so amazing, yeah!!

  • @hiwaga7399
    @hiwaga7399 4 місяці тому +574

    coming back now that i realized why the start put me off; for the first time in this whole musical, burr is singing _faster_ than alex. really reflects how their character foils flip because their motivations changed. now the goal is give the world to their children, and that means very different things to them.

  • @mavisseafoam
    @mavisseafoam 7 місяців тому +1129

    Did we all get recommended this 5 year old video this week?

  • @SeanConway99
    @SeanConway99 7 місяців тому +683

    I think the reason they decided not to do it like this is because it's a poignant part of their journey, they're at crossroads before they start drifting in their opposite directions, also allows us to connect more with the antagonist.

    • @raynorrobinson2569
      @raynorrobinson2569 6 місяців тому +32

      Burr is not the antagonist. There is no real antagonist after the revolution. Burr is just Hamilton's foil: largely similar characters with ONE major difference in character traits that make a world of difference. Hamilton lives "like he's running out of time" while Burr is willing to "wait for it." Hence, these phrases being motifs that are repeated throughout the musical. Every other difference in behavior between these two stem from these divergent motivations.

    • @SeanConway99
      @SeanConway99 6 місяців тому +60

      @@raynorrobinson2569 there's a difference between antagonist and villains. There are no villains but there are antagonists. Every story has an antagonist

    • @raynorrobinson2569
      @raynorrobinson2569 6 місяців тому +11

      @@SeanConway99 You're right: By the end of the story, Burr was an antagonist. However, at this point in the story, he certainly wasn't.

  • @poppyseed5113
    @poppyseed5113 7 місяців тому +712

    That perfectly synced “When you smile” hit my brain in such a way, just- AAAH🤌

  • @addiesingleton4654
    @addiesingleton4654 3 місяці тому +451

    “mom why did you name my sister Tulip?”
    “because your father and i love tulips”
    “oh ok, thanks”
    “you’re welcome, *Dear Theodosia but both verses are sung simultaneously*”

    • @h0rn3d_h1st0r1an
      @h0rn3d_h1st0r1an Місяць тому +4

      HAHAHAH 😂 This kind of joke gets me all the time

  • @ZexionII
    @ZexionII 5 років тому +1773

    Very nicely made. Makes me think of Farmer Refuted, love the counterpoint there.
    One small point of critique though, the levels are a bit off, Burr's verse seems way quieter than Alexander's.

    • @user-ks8yt3db3u
      @user-ks8yt3db3u  5 років тому +627

      I made this ages ago but I don't thiiiink I shifted the volume at all from the actual track, just layered the bits, but you're right, Burr is definitely quieter (alt. Lin is just loud)

    • @asthejayflies
      @asthejayflies 7 місяців тому +206

      @@user-ks8yt3db3u i mean. hamilton was famously a loudmouth

    • @angethekidreader2385
      @angethekidreader2385 7 місяців тому +11

      @@asthejayfliesreal

    • @anonymouscausewhynot
      @anonymouscausewhynot 7 місяців тому +52

      I think that fits their personalities very well.

    • @GuardianHalle
      @GuardianHalle 3 місяці тому +1

      Fitting

  • @siracha4956
    @siracha4956 5 років тому +269

    this butters my biscuts

    • @allydr90
      @allydr90 5 років тому +14

      Jesus I feel this comment thoroughly.

    • @classiccody2108
      @classiccody2108 4 місяці тому +1

      @@allydr90 I was 100% expecting to click to view replies and see "*Biscuits."

  • @sun_raymond
    @sun_raymond 7 місяців тому +279

    and this is how dear theodosia solidified it’s place as my favourite hamilton song.

  • @randomunovafan2787
    @randomunovafan2787 7 місяців тому +197

    I never realized that the spaces were for the other to start singing their line!

  • @mushroomgodwhowillnotstepony0u
    @mushroomgodwhowillnotstepony0u 8 місяців тому +745

    Writing's not easy. But Hamilton can help.

    • @Alto-hf6rd
      @Alto-hf6rd 7 місяців тому +67

      This Constitution is technically a mess, but its wordy and needs amendments.

    • @Alto-hf6rd
      @Alto-hf6rd 7 місяців тому +13

      This Constitution is technically a mess, but its wordy, and needs amendments.

  • @riverhalorix4203
    @riverhalorix4203 4 місяці тому +31

    1:04 the swell at "you will come of age with our young nation"
    music is such a beautiful thing, lin's mind !!

  • @trafficcat
    @trafficcat 7 місяців тому +149

    THE "WHEN YOU SMILE" IM SCREAMINNGGG

  • @DekuHere
    @DekuHere 9 місяців тому +324

    This is just a masterpiece. Lin should've kept it like this

  • @junsfallinflower
    @junsfallinflower 10 місяців тому +323

    im surprised someone did make this before lin said ab it on insta, let alone 4 years ago

    • @cl0r0x_
      @cl0r0x_ 10 місяців тому +3

      no frr

    • @maqq
      @maqq 8 місяців тому +1

      what did lin say on insta

    • @fbi538
      @fbi538 8 місяців тому +4

      did you get boo’d away tell us we wanna know

    • @smnthqx
      @smnthqx 8 місяців тому +16

      @@maqqhe said that the song was supposed to be sung like this originally

    • @kittenplays72
      @kittenplays72 8 місяців тому +11

      @@smnthqxactually you can find the original dear theodosia from the workshop and the 2nd verse is exactly like this but released before lin talked about it

  • @LittleLyn
    @LittleLyn 7 місяців тому +73

    I love burrs side so much more than Hamiltons. Especially when he says "ill make a million mistakes." Its such a sweet line. He knows hes gonna make mistakes in raising his daughter alone but hes prepared for it.

  • @loiscole1067
    @loiscole1067 9 місяців тому +388

    I’m singing this with my bsf at a school concert!! Can’t wait

  • @yf-n7710
    @yf-n7710 7 місяців тому +110

    Starting at 0:45 to the end I think this is just the actual song

  • @trapjohnson
    @trapjohnson 7 місяців тому +127

    Alright, the original is very well structured and written; when THIS is the combined result.
    Mad props!

    • @unclewiley1986
      @unclewiley1986 7 місяців тому +6

      This was originally the structure of a verse but since it didnt fit narratively for them to overlap (because their stories drift apart here) Lin decided to keep their verses seperate

  • @GabriellaJefferson-lq4yx
    @GabriellaJefferson-lq4yx 2 місяці тому +4

    wtf dude I glanced at this from my fyp and read it as “Dear Euthanasia”

  • @nicebloodbro
    @nicebloodbro 3 місяці тому +9

    this makes so much sense, since lin does that "everybody sings their own line and then they all sing them together" thing constantly (non-stop, farmer refuted, 96,000, blackout, probably others lol)

  • @Breakfast-ob8tq
    @Breakfast-ob8tq 7 місяців тому +183

    Honestly, I'm more glad that we got what we got.
    To me, letting all the stuff around them put to a pause and giving themselves a moment to breathe and appreciate that their child had just been born and this is the most important thing in the world to them at the moment should be given attention to.
    They're not at odd each other, so no quippy lines or snarky retorts. Just two men looking back on what they've experienced in the past, and turning onto the future with hope; thus both Burr and Hamilton getting to sing about their children equally.
    Plus the duet. It's the only time they do (except for Your Obedient Servant, I think), and in the context of this song, they're finding common ground and relating to one another.
    With them overlapping like this, it feels messy and like they're tryna one-up each other again, so even though that "When you smile" harmonization, and the "And I thought I was so smart" lines together just hits our brains differently, the finalized version is, imo, still the better one lol.

  • @ClohBunn
    @ClohBunn 8 місяців тому +50

    This song makes me wanna cry

  • @iamskinner-i3h
    @iamskinner-i3h 7 місяців тому +41

    I like how the owner still acknowledges the video

  • @YourGirlMorgan56
    @YourGirlMorgan56 9 місяців тому +173

    WHY IS THIS SO UNDERATED AND GOOD STOP-
    Edit: I don’t wanna be that person but I AHVE NEVER HAD THIS MANY LIKES BEFORE

    • @ZorgNothing
      @ZorgNothing 8 місяців тому +1

      Not underated at all. Everyone is singing praises...

    • @YourGirlMorgan56
      @YourGirlMorgan56 8 місяців тому +1

      @@ZorgNothing thanks! :)

    • @m4rveldawn
      @m4rveldawn 6 місяців тому +1

      omg then dont be that person u dont need to thank people for liking ur comment like no one cares

  • @thefilmwatcher1216
    @thefilmwatcher1216 2 місяці тому +3

    This works so perfectly. This is such a beautiful song and the duet is wonderful.

  • @NonbinaryBean49
    @NonbinaryBean49 5 місяців тому +10

    "I'll make the world safe and sound for you" just ❤

  • @user-mp9gj3se8b
    @user-mp9gj3se8b 7 місяців тому +18

    this is one of the best songs in hamilton.
    im surprised it isnt sung to kids more often, its so sweet and specific
    you could sing it to 2 kids and replace the 2 names with their names

    • @ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos
      @ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos 5 місяців тому

      I sing it to my kids ^__^

    • @theEWDSDS
      @theEWDSDS 2 місяці тому +1

      and replace some of the lines to be more relevant to you...
      "my father wasn't around" 😬

  • @TangledInRhyme
    @TangledInRhyme 7 місяців тому +14

    When I want to speed run Dear Theodosia

  • @MambaDraws
    @MambaDraws 7 місяців тому +25

    The reason I love Hamilton so much is because of the way things overlap at times. I like music that blocks everything else out (probably why Non-stop is one of my favorites) and Lin-Manuel Miranda does it so well. I almost wish the song was actually sung like this, but it would need a little bit of tweaking in the beginning parts lol

  • @pory913
    @pory913 8 місяців тому +49

    Workshop version be like:

  • @weird_pebble
    @weird_pebble 5 місяців тому +8

    the “when you smile” part gave me chills 😭 (0:35)

  • @katieweakley2908
    @katieweakley2908 2 місяці тому +4

    I love the symbolism of the song on how becoming a parent changes you. Burr always wants to be more than he is like Hamilton and it's like a switch changes him and he pushes himself to take that step and he's singing fast and snappy like Hamilton, not slow and calculated like normal, and Hamilton finally takes a breath and sees his world slow down because he has loved his life not knowing if he would make it past 20 and he writes like he's running out of time and makes fast and rash decisions, but when he becomes a father it's no longer about him and he finally takes a moment to slow down for his son

  • @eBoyGamer1106
    @eBoyGamer1106 4 місяці тому +5

    0:33 the way their voices lined up was heavenly

  • @thecunningcat6572
    @thecunningcat6572 3 місяці тому +5

    I love how in this song Hamilton and Burr’s personality got switched. Burr can’t stop talking about his daughter, whereas Hamilton is speechless.

  • @sold_my_mom_4_robux
    @sold_my_mom_4_robux 7 місяців тому +8

    i’ve never sobbed this fucking hard in my LIFE.

  • @aramosscribbles1376
    @aramosscribbles1376 4 місяці тому +10

    I love this but, I understand why he kept them separate. The final version allows a space for both of them to share their love for their child and then show their similarities by singing together. Imagine what it’s like for the people hearing this for the first time. It would be a little overwhelming to hear two melodies and pick apart what the song is conveying. It’s giving more background on Burr without distractions. Allowing the audience to take in the information with issues. ❤❤❤

  • @yumitsuyuri
    @yumitsuyuri 6 місяців тому +5

    I won't ever get tired of listening to this!

  • @TwilightLanayru
    @TwilightLanayru 6 місяців тому +11

    I would actually like these 2 particular songs if they sounded like this

    • @ThePipofDespair
      @ThePipofDespair 5 місяців тому +8

      Actually, it's just one song. Burr and Alex's verses are just combined.

  • @d3ad.4.y0u.3
    @d3ad.4.y0u.3 18 днів тому +1

    This is literally beautiful its AMAZINGGGGG

  • @gideonshepherd4998
    @gideonshepherd4998 7 місяців тому +9

    honestly there voices are so beautiful and the harmony is amazing! they honestly should have made it this way! this is one of my favorite songs.

  • @estherveen4182
    @estherveen4182 5 місяців тому +4

    this scratches my brain in all the right ways

  • @itslumi.
    @itslumi. 7 місяців тому +7

    this is so lovely. i adore this song, and hearing them sing together sounds so beautiful

  • @_lLexa_l
    @_lLexa_l 4 місяці тому +4

    I'm scared of having children but this song is making me want to have kids.

  • @timoteotorres7940
    @timoteotorres7940 7 місяців тому +12

    yeah this is the real version now

  • @Zendyes_
    @Zendyes_ 7 місяців тому +15

    chills, jesus christ this good

  • @kobicornwell9911
    @kobicornwell9911 7 місяців тому +12

    This sounds so much better bro💀

  • @victorunachukwu9149
    @victorunachukwu9149 6 місяців тому +3

    A nice piece dedicated to a father's love and commitment in raising his kids

  • @beatriz7400
    @beatriz7400 3 місяці тому +1

    this song is SO CUTE i wanna sing it to my children some day

  • @Sp4wn0fS8an
    @Sp4wn0fS8an 7 місяців тому +4

    this sounded... better than I thought-

  • @SomeRandomSimp
    @SomeRandomSimp 7 місяців тому +3

    Having them together makes the song sounds so much more emotional, like I'm literally about to cry

  • @leopardsun
    @leopardsun 7 місяців тому +6

    😮 I wonder what this would sound like with one verse in the left ear and the other in the right

  • @ihateyoukeagan
    @ihateyoukeagan 7 місяців тому +4

    this version almost made me cry

  • @yepthatsbobcat
    @yepthatsbobcat 22 дні тому

    This edit has a chokehold on me it’s insane💀🙏

  • @sbcwmas1688
    @sbcwmas1688 7 місяців тому +1

    This is beautiful!

  • @Rosie_Evie
    @Rosie_Evie 4 місяці тому

    THIS IS AMAZING I LOVE IT I NEED THIS IN SPOTIFY

  • @lisaczurylo7227
    @lisaczurylo7227 10 місяців тому +50

    this was going to be the way ti waas supposed to be sung

  • @JolinkaAirlines
    @JolinkaAirlines Місяць тому

    this is perfection

  • @qngff
    @qngff 7 місяців тому +3

    SO good!!

  • @ally.f
    @ally.f 7 місяців тому +2

    i love this bro.

  • @ClaraJennings-iw7kj
    @ClaraJennings-iw7kj 4 місяці тому

    This is so beautiful! I would have loved to see it performed this way live.

  • @ForensicScientist_
    @ForensicScientist_ 7 місяців тому +1

    stop tthis is going to make me cry

  • @MeMadiL
    @MeMadiL 4 місяці тому +1

    0:35-The harmony 🫶

  • @dannhan3104
    @dannhan3104 7 місяців тому

    I love this so much

  • @robinbennett1686
    @robinbennett1686 7 місяців тому

    And now I'm about to cry
    Thank you

  • @cl0r0x_
    @cl0r0x_ 10 місяців тому +14

    Beautiful!!

  • @adelaidesiegers
    @adelaidesiegers 7 місяців тому +5

    I can see why it was elongated, unless you added the kids or the wives for another verse, there wasn’t more that needed to be said by these dads and that would be a very short song

  • @KyRigs
    @KyRigs 3 місяці тому

    I’ve listened to this every day since I found it

  • @juliebastiaansen1725
    @juliebastiaansen1725 4 місяці тому

    This made me so emotional for some reason

  • @AlbertKwon-up3jj
    @AlbertKwon-up3jj Рік тому +17

    Best version!!

  • @akosuakyekyere1481
    @akosuakyekyere1481 5 місяців тому +1

    One of my favourites songs in Hamilton

  • @mackenziemetcalfe
    @mackenziemetcalfe 7 місяців тому

    why did l actually cry listening to this 🥲

  • @cacao_0000
    @cacao_0000 5 місяців тому +1

    HELP THIS IS SO FUCKING BEAUTIFUL

  • @Deliriouseath80085
    @Deliriouseath80085 7 місяців тому +2

    Y do they sound like two lost lovers in this wtf😭😭😭(these work too well istg it sounds sooo good)

  • @neurodivergentlyblog8882
    @neurodivergentlyblog8882 7 місяців тому +2

    I want this to be an actual thing

  • @user-wy6im6gz3f
    @user-wy6im6gz3f 3 місяці тому

    this majestic frfr

  • @Waterking99977
    @Waterking99977 Місяць тому +1

    If sondheim wrote this song, it would 100% be sung like this

  • @mayarobinson381
    @mayarobinson381 7 місяців тому +1

    its giving renaissance

  • @zoo8985
    @zoo8985 8 місяців тому +2

    I love this

  • @Owenostling
    @Owenostling 7 місяців тому +3

    Sounds good but definitely would have been much more confusing

  • @_lLexa_l
    @_lLexa_l 3 місяці тому +6

    _Burr sing faster_ and *Hamilton sings slower.*

    • @darthjarjarbinks2480
      @darthjarjarbinks2480 3 місяці тому +1

      Yeah it fits becuse hamilton is more of a think it over carfully and slowly and Burr is more rushing like ther is not enugh space for the both of us

    • @_lLexa_l
      @_lLexa_l Місяць тому +2

      Yeah, it fits alot. It's a very cool detail, I really like Lin-Manuel's symbolic (stuff) he puts in his songs.

    • @kikodalaya0601
      @kikodalaya0601 5 днів тому

      So, Burr isn't waiting for it and Hamilton isn't writing like he's running out of time? *I N T E R E S T I N G*

  • @IAmAphie
    @IAmAphie 4 місяці тому +1

    i wish they kept this in! and im pretty sure if they did they were supposed to have elizas sing the chords at the end with burr and hamilton

  • @ClownieFace
    @ClownieFace 5 років тому +12

    best version

  • @bxtches_beware
    @bxtches_beware 7 місяців тому

    Bea-uti-ful!

    • @sawyer-m
      @sawyer-m 7 місяців тому

      Ce? 😂

  • @WondrouslyWillow
    @WondrouslyWillow 21 день тому

    the regina spektor + ben folds version of this song incorporates some of these overlapping harmonies, it's really pretty :)

  • @carrionysus5893
    @carrionysus5893 3 місяці тому

    yeasssssss

  • @Eyiva521
    @Eyiva521 7 місяців тому +1

    This got my 9yo cousin in tears 😭

    • @damianitoruelito
      @damianitoruelito 5 місяців тому

      that mf done even know bout taxes yet he think everything sunshine and rainbows lil mf gon lose his shit when he find out abt algebra 😭♎️ tell him to read a libra (book in spanish) [i’m not mexican]

  • @Absbor
    @Absbor 7 місяців тому

    so pretty

  • @ekoflikr
    @ekoflikr 21 день тому

    i do think that this is the better version, but only because i know what each party is or was going to say. Lin probably made each verse separate so that it can be more understandable the first time you listen

  • @Just2_Girls
    @Just2_Girls 4 місяці тому

    Sobs(respectfully)

  • @jerrywangPMSS
    @jerrywangPMSS 7 місяців тому +1

    OMG WOW

  • @redmask1252
    @redmask1252 4 місяці тому +2

    it would honestly be better if burr can be heard by the left ear and hamilton by the right ear

  • @napadoesstuff
    @napadoesstuff 4 місяці тому

    COUNTERPOINT + HAMILTON WE MUSIC NERDS HAVE WON TODAY

  • @Corqii
    @Corqii 5 місяців тому

    i love burrs verse

  • @autumnmae386
    @autumnmae386 3 місяці тому

    I feel like a 1:05 if ensemble continued burr and hamilton's verse of dear theodosia/phillip while hamilton and burr sang together, it would be beautiful aswell