I know the laptop cards aren’t as powerful, but I never got why they never did official cards like that for people that have small form factor PCs or PCs with small power supplies in general. Would be great for anybody interested in building a small form factor gaming computer, or Any regular Joe that wants to get into PC gaming with a quick upgrade to their standard Walmart computer.
My guess is they/Nvidia just don't want to sell products that make sense, they are more into products that make money. Imagine Nvidia would offer stuff that is good enough for a fair and reasonable pricing, who would buy the expensive ones ? They want regular Joe to sell his car so he can afford what Nvidia wants him to pay big bucks for.
3060m and 3060 can actually have the same performance, because in terms of core number, they are pretty similar. I guess if you give them enough power, they aren’t far behind from their desktop brothers
Actually you could manually install the official driver w/o relying on third party ones. I myself own a rtx3060m and all you need to do is to extract the official driver, look for the location in which the .inf files is resided and manually install it. The catch is when prompted with a long list of nvidia graphic card models, do not select the rtx gpus, but instead select the specific model "gtx 1660 mobile" and install it. After successfully install, repeat the above mentioned steps but this time select your correct graphic model, the "rtx 3060m", after which you should be able to play any games normally with rtx specific functionalities and even install gfe. To upgrade it, just wipe the driver with ddu in safe mode and repeat the manual installation.
@@withcarename I feel like you could've picked up a used GTX 1080 ti and it would've been a similar price and crushed the 3060m but I suppose it definitely depends on the region.
@@vibyyni wouldnt get a gtx 1080 ti by todays standards now. They all are used and pretty old + the 3060, even as the mobile version, has DLSS and CUDA
I'm glad you enjoyed testing it out mate, and that's great to hear it didn't black screen on you! It would crash maybe after 2 hours, or I would get lucky and it would run for a few days without crashing. But any crashes are unstable enough for me to not want to use it. Really interesting card though and great video, cheers :).
I get the exact same thing on mine, Kernel error 141. I've used all the driver versions and still the same, other than '531.79'. For some unknown reason that driver version works absolutely fine, and haven't got any Kernel errors using it.
Cards like that - as in, Aliexpress Mobile to Desktop chips - are very interesting choice tho for people scared about modded / unofficial drivers... go with mobile RX 6600M or RX 6700M - since AMD mobile modded cards will work with official AMD drivers without any issue :)
Thx I was searching for the comment about 6600M driver support.I am planing to get a 6600 tier card and the ali express 6600M for 150$ has peeked my intrest.The 6600M is like 98% of the power as normal 6600 so it looks as a great buy.
@@pusaduva Just be aware of poor quality and testing. My 6600m came up with visual artefacts. Seller agreed to refund my purchase but only after i shipped it back. With my own money. Andin a way i got lucky it was doa. I can imagine if it dies after a couple of month you're out of luck. PS Also fans ramped up too quick. It was trying to get the temps below 50C for some reason.
@@pusaduvaI've had a 6600m for over a year and I'm happy with it. But, yeah, the fan ramp is very aggressive on them. I have an open-air case and keep my fans at 30%, so no it's not loud, but your mileage will vary depending on your setup.
The second R in RRR is "reuse", and it's great to see that this hardware gets a second lease on life instead of winding up in a landfill or dissolved in acid to make up part of a new GPU.
@@Bolt451 wdfym why lol 1.its not a "nice " price its More expensive then its worth 2.price performance is expensive. newer cheap cards are better then a older midtier mobile gpu conversion with no offical drivers. 3. no OFFICIAL DRIVER SUPPORT spending £300 for something that relies on a random person making it work for new games lol that makes older desktop gpus that are cheaper better deals
I think in a few months though I've finally convinced him to get a 4070 or something. He mainly plays games like COD and stuff, so he doesnt need a monster, but that 8 gb 3060 is just a joke in his system.
i saw that exact listing a week ago on aliexpress. i am confident a niche like this can grow: low power laptop gpus on a desktop card? it sound perfect for a low wattage setup!
@@FroggyTWrite true, would love to see how big of a difference it is for higher end of these laptop chips and their desktop brothers, cuz lower end(3060m and 3060) has very similar if not identical performance. And it would be even better if in the future, the two were compared on the newer games and see how big of a difference would official driver and no official driver support make
It's a similar outcome on the idea I wrote before, that I would like to see something like 30W, 60W, 90W and maybe even 120 and 150W limited cards. And whatever they can do in that range and whatever price it's worth of for that performance. It could also open up a new tier of choices and even competition.
Love your content, always an eyebrow raiser! This was a definite wtf and so very interesting you looked into it. Legend! Hope we start seeing more random stuff like this in the market.
one thing i noticed with these laptop turned desktop cards is that if you use GPU-Z to examine it, the Bus ID Box will have a proper PCI Vendor designation, but the Device ID section will more than likely be 0000-0000 which is why official drivers won't work, these cards have had their firmware(?) or VBIOS(?) modified by whatever company is putting them out
This could have some premise for people who have power limitations. Some pre built systems might have whacky cases or psu form factors, so a card between a 3060ti and 3070 that sits at about 100-110W is not a bad idea.
Is it just me or is this card doing incredibly well for only around 100W of power consumption? I remember reading that the desktop 3070 is rated for up to 240W. Doesn't seem like this 3070m is held back much despite the low power figure, does it beat the 4060 in raw performance?
Would've loved to see a comparison to a normal 3070. Still, seems like a surprisingly capable card at less than half the power consumption of the desktop version.
@@Remu- Because the 3070ti mobile can use nearly half the power too and spit out similar performance to the desktop 3070. Since they're the same GPU's.
@@Remu- Thats the thing. Nvidia fools people on laptops with rtx 3000 and 4000 naming. During pascal, the laptop 1070 and 2070/super were the same between laptop and desktops. Just the TDP's were different. So the laptop 1070 spat out the same FPS as desktop 1070's. 2070/s were 5-6fps behind the desktop 2070/s. So with rtx 3070 vs desktop 3070, nvidia ripped us off. Then they sell us the real laptop 3070 as the 3070ti mobile. Thus the 3070m would be further behind desktop 3070. Likely around the 15%-20% mark.
This card is amazing given that the price is correct ;) with carefull undervolt i've managed 12000+ gpu score in Timespy and a bit higher than 2800 in the latest Steel Nomad benchmark. One important note though.. Measuring a bunch of these cards in mining seems that the real consumption (when says 115w..) is 155-160w ;), they way under report the watt they consume, still safe with the 1x 8pin
I have the RX 6600M from the same company since october last year, working like a charm. The Radeon "mobile-to-desktop" chinese cards make more sense than nVidia's because they use the stock AMD drivers no problem, so the issue of uncertainty of updates for the hacked drivers is completely avoided. The only real gripe is that an early year AMD driver removed the ability for tuning the card, especially the fan curve. I had been using MorPowerTool plus a custom fan curve to make the card work more silently, but that update removed my abiity to do so (it also blocks the possibility to adjust fan curve from any external application). Luckily you can resolve that by using the Pro drivers, which do allow for GPU tuning like usual. So far no news from AMD, so I think it was an intended change and it seems to have affected all mobile GPUs, not just these weird chinese cards. At the moment the deal made a hell lot of sense, I got it for 200 USD (shipping included) while the RX 6600 was like 400 USD in my country. The fun part is that the RX 6600M has the exact same core as the desktop GPU and is at most 3% slower, unlike other mobile versions
I got the same here recently, was around £120 on the second hand market, very happy with it honestly. The few hiccups in games I've experienced seem to relate more to AMD drivers themselves than the card too, a weird and cool little package in my opinion.
@@VuBeClan Oh you sweet summer child, bless your innocence. You underestimate the power of ludicrous tech import taxes, 60% in my country. Just rechecked my current local prices, the RX 6600 is at 350 USD and the RX 6650 XT at 450 USD. And many other countries in the region are the same or worse. Now tell me AliExpress doesn't make sense again... And for context of how I got the card imported without those taxes, we have a law where you can import tax free 3 times a year if it's under 200 USD total.
Got an Rx 6600m on a desktop pcb from the same seller/vendor a couple of months ago for 170€ which was a steal at the time. The card arrived and looked completely new to my eyes and the build quality was great, all metal and stuff with with heatpipes. It worked great, never going above 65°C, great performance. After a month or two my PSU exploded for unknown reasons and the card died as well a couple of weeks after I got a new PSU. The seller wouldn't send me a new one, they insisted that I sent them this one for repairs which would literally last months and cost me a lot of money. Had it repaired two times in my country for almost as much money as I had paid for it and after that it died again and I threw it in the trash. Since most reviews were extremely positive, I guess mine was an isolated case and maybe had to do with the first psu.
i got a rx580 from a "toastedbros" video and honestly can't fault it sadly the driver support is stopping real soon maybe this will help me and great to see the community doing there own drivers!
This is what I was thinking. Go low profile with them and slap into SFF builds and turn it into a gaming beast. Turn a $100 office pc into a gaming rig.
@@dalehammers4425the issue there is that desktops at that price wouldnt have enough cpu power. 6th or 7th gen i7s start bottlenecking somewhere past a gtx 1070 and this is well past that in performance.
yeah that turned me so off. no chance in hell i'm gonna risk it besides, even if it is safe, if they decide to not update the drivers anymore you are toast. no thanks
@@XionLuistbf, the actual manufacturer can just decide to stop driver support at any time too, AMD is pretty notorious for it, they literally cut driver support for some products released less than a year ago.
"High temperature" advertised on the box brings back memories of Nvidia Fermi GPUs and all the memes associated with it. Hot hot, the way it's meant to be cooked!
I saw one of these mobile chips on a 40 series card in another video…not sure if it was yours or another UA-camr but these cards are a sweet deal ngl🔥 also efficient on energy
Low profile mobile gpu's could radically change the SFF playing field. Get an old office pc for like 50 bucks, slap a low profile mobile GPU in it for about $150, you have a $200 gaming rig.
@@SummonerArthur Tried to find some but zero relevant results come up when I search for 6600m or rx6600m EDIT: Found some. Too bad they're all two fan cards.
Certainly interesting, I would love to see an in-depth video or just a read on how they manage the vBios and such. Personally, I wouldn't buy as a primary Gpu because of the lack of official drivers and how that may affect the overall Nvidia feature set. But still interesting.
Back in the day I bought an ATI 9600 mobile on an AGP card. I put a bigger heatsink on it and the GPU could be overclocked over 50% from stock. Unfortunately I could only get around 20MHZ or so extra on the memory speed, so the performance gains were limited. I still have it. I put it in a dual Xeon Socket 604 Asus board that could also hit an absurd 50%+ overclock using ClockGen and disabling Hyperthreading. It's been a few years since I last used it considering it eats electricity and can't do that much compared to even a quad core Intel Atom, but it was a fun machine 18 years ago.
I have been using two of these GPUs in two separate PCs for the past year and a bit with zero problems and they are great value. As many have pointed out, this is personal preference and you always run a risk by downloading anything from the internet. Also, the driver mods are simple .inf edits with a small mod added to give support for easy anti cheat for those who play online games - that’s literally all. Even though it is a subscription (approximately £1) for new drivers - I lead a busy lifestyle and it’s simply convenient for me 😊 There are also clone AMD cards as well [but they use standard drivers]
@@paulpsomiadis5847 i am sooooo glad for your comment because i am thinking of buying from them the 580 8gb version the other brands havent had best reviews
Did you try the laptop drivers from NVIDIA? I wonder why it wouldn't install normally, I guess the code had to be messed with the add the display and power ports?
When swapping different laptop gpus into laptops, you have to inf mod the drivers. I did it with my dell precision 7530 when I upgraded the gpu. I wonder if that could be used with these if you don't trust the frankendriver.
As long as it works and the price is right, don't mind using that graphics card. Have also seen listings of laptop cpus that have been shipped as desktops too, but never actually used one though.
May I suggest testing games that has anti-cheat system, like Valorant, when you test cards like these and probably mention it on the video? Cuz I heard it's a hit or miss when it comes to games with anti-cheat, obv because it runs on modded/unofficial drivers. I don't play Valorant (or really any competitive games), but I think it might be deal breaker for some ppl who are into competitive games and are interested in these cards.
One of those pieces of hardware that I would probably never buy but I would love to if I had to extra money just to play with it lol I guess thats where this channel comes in handy
If it works like it's supposed to , & they are trying to keep buyers well informed I would purchase one . Especially if the price is right , along with decent quality . I don't need any junk !
Those weird drivers are a dealbreaker for me... However, I would absolutely consider buying one of these converted mobile GPUs of an AMD card, as they can use official drivers
When it comes to cheap no-name cards thers one Nvidia card i've kept around proberly from 2003 i guess. From a time where many people went into stores to buy hardware. By first glanze it looks somewhat high-end with an orb cooler, however the entire orb cooler is made of plastic, fins included. To trick people into thinking they are making a good deal on a high-end card. When in reality they get a really low end card without an heatsink, only a noisy fan "cooling" the plastic. Have checked and theres no actual heatsink under the plastic, just some really low-end chip that normally would have been used on some server board. The card is so shitty that i've only kept it because its comedy gold.
Well considering this gpu is literally half the price of its official counterparts I'd give it a shot especially considering how franken drivers have been. I understand people arnt that fond of them but they seem pretty reliable.
Is there any overclocking potential with this card? Given that it only consumes about a 100W, some gains might be had if it can be pushed to the 120-150W TDP that other similar desktop cards run at.
20+ years ago when I had a mobile ATI GPU (laptop) the card was fine, but the drivers from AMD were rare when they were released as you would often have to either rely on the laptop manufacturer (good luck with that), or drivers which were provided by "fans". One of such drivers were the Omega Drivers, IIRC. Thankfully nowadays the GPU manufacturers, at least Nvidia and AMD, properly fully support their mobile chipsets. I really do not see me ever willingly go back to the early 00s with having to rely on drivers from "fans". Frell that poop! Drivers aside though, I find this a really fascinating concept which I wish was officially supported. The power consumption alone...mmmm Thanks for the video.
Id definitely use something like that as an egpu since i don't feel like buying another pc / laptop anymore. Especially now that minisforum doesn't seem to be bringing back the nucxi7.
I actually have a crossfire pair of XFX HD4850m cards. Didn't even know they were a thing. However that also explains SOOO MUCH why XFX got themselves such a bad rap sheet with their HD4800 series rebrand cards. They were using mobile parts!!
Obviously the next step is for this to be paired with one of those Erying motherboards with laptop CPUs soldered onto the board. For the full desktop with laptop processors experience.
That seems like an interesting card there. I reckon it matches, or even exceeds, my RTX 3060, which would be good because I think my RTX 3060 might have a couple of issues that I want to iron out. I'm also not too fussed with the missing DP out, because let's face it, who is going to have 4 monitors plugged into their GPU at once! I'd also rather have multiple HDMI than multiple DP, because HDMI cables are more commonplace on both monitors and to purchase, whether outright or when bundled with surplus equipment. The amount of HDMI cables I've salvaged from scrap satellite or cable TV bundles is amazing... P.S. You really should go 32GB DDR5. IMO 16GB DDR5-6000 would be worse than 32GB DDR4-3200, both in general and gaming.
for purely gaming you might be right there is little use for 4 monitors, but there are other workloads that do benefit greatly. For programming I for example use one screen for my code editor, one for the output, and the others for documentation, code examples, discussion boards, messaging apps, instructional videos. I could have that all on a single screen and have it all in tabs, but I've found both my work output and work enjoyment increase with every screen I add, although the increase is less with every screen, there is still an improvement. Also other workloads that benefit from having a lot of reference materials visible at once can benefit from having 4 or more screens. I actually prefer DP over HDMI outputs because you can daisy chain (within limits) screens together to easily get more screens per GPU and you can get cheap passive DP to HDMI adapters for all your HDMI needs. So I say, make all outputs (mini)DP and supply HDMI adapters with the card. but all of this is moot if you just want a single or two screen setup purely for gaming. But like I said, there are more uses for PCs than just gaming. If this card did have 4 outputs I'd be more inclined to buy it. Relatively modern GPU with a lot of the rendering and AI features I'm missing right now. Relatively low power (I work from home a lot and pushing all that heat into my tiny apartment gets really uncomfortable real fast in summer). And pretty affordable. With 4 outputs it would be perfect for my needs, with 3 slightly less so,
@@dv7533I definitely wouldn't recommend daily driving this card or one similar to anyone, simply due to the nature of the drivers. They work, but they may stop working on them at any time. After owning one I can say that mine has 4 outputs, but when using one of the DP ports and running anything that will utilise the GPU, it will cause severe artefacting and the display would be unusable. I can't say if that happened on one of the HDMI ports, but I know that one of them worked fine. So, no guarantee that the ports will even work 100%.
Prices were fluctuating a lot for Ali graphics cards the last few months. I was checking constantly so I could hit buy at its lowest. I was hoping to grab another card recently but after 11.11 everything shot up $20-30.
I have a 6GB 3060M and I have to say it's pretty great. Giving it to my son (probably) for Christmas for Fortnite to try and reduce his electricity useage!
These cards would be such a great bargain, if it weren't for the lack of official drivers being compatible with them. Tho I've heard the AMD Aliexpress cards work fine with the official drivers, so maybe an RX 6700m would be a better choice. In any event, I could imagine all of those cards are probably pretty hard to resell when you want to upgrade to something more powerful. Which can be a huge bummer.
I have said that before. If, by chance, you need to get a mobile graphics card adapted to desktop - get the RX 6600m from AMD. It WORKS with official drivers, has the same Vram and essentially the same base performance as a regular desktop RX 6600. That means you don't have to rely on weird .exes from Chinese sellers or pray that they keep updating their drivers after each release.
If you wanna go even jankier than this, there are 3070M 16GB versions out there on Taobao as well. Performance uplift in most games is unnoticeable in most games tho.
This reminds me of those stories of Chinese shops converting 4090 cards to AI versions, buying up vast supplies of 4090s before the U.S. export ban kiks in on 4090 sales in China. But in the opposite direction in this case 😉!
I have a 3070 Mobile Chip that gets 150 watts with a stable core over clock and memory clock; The card is cery solid ESPECIALLY if you don't have any CPU bottleneck.
I know the laptop cards aren’t as powerful, but I never got why they never did official cards like that for people that have small form factor PCs or PCs with small power supplies in general. Would be great for anybody interested in building a small form factor gaming computer, or Any regular Joe that wants to get into PC gaming with a quick upgrade to their standard Walmart computer.
Because scalpers will buy them up and ruin the market like they always do. It's why a 1650 and rx 6400 are still around $100.
There are some manufacturers which do that.
My guess is they/Nvidia just don't want to sell products that make sense, they are more into products that make money. Imagine Nvidia would offer stuff that is good enough for a fair and reasonable pricing, who would buy the expensive ones ? They want regular Joe to sell his car so he can afford what Nvidia wants him to pay big bucks for.
3060m and 3060 can actually have the same performance, because in terms of core number, they are pretty similar. I guess if you give them enough power, they aren’t far behind from their desktop brothers
Agreed, this could have been an amazing low profile card.
Actually you could manually install the official driver w/o relying on third party ones. I myself own a rtx3060m and all you need to do is to extract the official driver, look for the location in which the .inf files is resided and manually install it. The catch is when prompted with a long list of nvidia graphic card models, do not select the rtx gpus, but instead select the specific model "gtx 1660 mobile" and install it. After successfully install, repeat the above mentioned steps but this time select your correct graphic model, the "rtx 3060m", after which you should be able to play any games normally with rtx specific functionalities and even install gfe. To upgrade it, just wipe the driver with ddu in safe mode and repeat the manual installation.
@@Blackfatrat It's around $64 cheaper compared to the desktop version.
Def gonna try this! Thanks for the tips!
@@withcarename I feel like you could've picked up a used GTX 1080 ti and it would've been a similar price and crushed the 3060m but I suppose it definitely depends on the region.
@@vibyyni wouldnt get a gtx 1080 ti by todays standards now. They all are used and pretty old + the 3060, even as the mobile version, has DLSS and CUDA
@@vibyyn at this point 1080ti is older than some of the viewers of this channel. As sad as it is, Pascal is dead.
I'm glad you enjoyed testing it out mate, and that's great to hear it didn't black screen on you! It would crash maybe after 2 hours, or I would get lucky and it would run for a few days without crashing. But any crashes are unstable enough for me to not want to use it. Really interesting card though and great video, cheers :).
Thanks again! I’ll run it in the system for the rest of the weekend and see if it crashes. So far so good
I get the exact same thing on mine, Kernel error 141. I've used all the driver versions and still the same, other than '531.79'. For some unknown reason that driver version works absolutely fine, and haven't got any Kernel errors using it.
Would you mind sharing how much the card cost you? It´d be interesting to see what the price difference to a non M 3070 would be.
@@kevineis9088 I payed 180 on eBay almost a year ago, but they're about ~220 on AliExpress.
google bruh....@@kevineis9088
Legend! Thanks so much for reviewing this it was going for £210 on AliExpress last time I checked
Yeah same price still :)
Link plz ?
Cards like that - as in, Aliexpress Mobile to Desktop chips - are very interesting choice
tho for people scared about modded / unofficial drivers... go with mobile RX 6600M or RX 6700M - since AMD mobile modded cards will work with official AMD drivers without any issue :)
Thx I was searching for the comment about 6600M driver support.I am planing to get a 6600 tier card and the ali express 6600M for 150$ has peeked my intrest.The 6600M is like 98% of the power as normal 6600 so it looks as a great buy.
@@pusaduva that would be pretty damned good for 1080p gaming.
@@pusaduva Just be aware of poor quality and testing. My 6600m came up with visual artefacts. Seller agreed to refund my purchase but only after i shipped it back. With my own money. Andin a way i got lucky it was doa. I can imagine if it dies after a couple of month you're out of luck.
PS Also fans ramped up too quick. It was trying to get the temps below 50C for some reason.
@@pusaduvaI've had a 6600m for over a year and I'm happy with it. But, yeah, the fan ramp is very aggressive on them. I have an open-air case and keep my fans at 30%, so no it's not loud, but your mileage will vary depending on your setup.
doesn't the rx6600 consume similar power to the 6600m anyway?
The second R in RRR is "reuse", and it's great to see that this hardware gets a second lease on life instead of winding up in a landfill or dissolved in acid to make up part of a new GPU.
it should have been "dissolved" to make up part of a new gpu
@@DeterminedFCwhy tho this is still a good gpu at a nice price
@@Bolt451 ..no and no
@@DeterminedFC how though
@@Bolt451 wdfym why lol
1.its not a "nice " price its More expensive then its worth
2.price performance is expensive.
newer cheap cards are better then a older midtier mobile gpu conversion
with no offical drivers.
3. no OFFICIAL DRIVER SUPPORT spending £300 for something that relies on a random person making it work for new games lol
that makes older desktop gpus that are cheaper better deals
The 3060m makes more sense since it actually has more cuda cores than the desktop version
Ah good point
My roommate has a 12900K being held back by a 3060, I feel so bad for him that my 5800X and 6700XT utterly crush him at gaming.
But less vram. Which is more and more important these days.
I think in a few months though I've finally convinced him to get a 4070 or something. He mainly plays games like COD and stuff, so he doesnt need a monster, but that 8 gb 3060 is just a joke in his system.
@@dalehammers4425 both are on 60 frames max monitor, cheap frames !
never clicked so fast in a video. You should do more content about obscure hardware like this, its my favorite type of content, unique and useful
Thanks :) Will do!
Most of his content is obscure stuff that nobody would ever think about, its one of the things I love the most about his channel.
i saw that exact listing a week ago on aliexpress. i am confident a niche like this can grow: low power laptop gpus on a desktop card? it sound perfect for a low wattage setup!
Yeah hopefully community driver support remains solid
@@RandomGaminginHD can you do a video comparing the performance of the desktop model vs this one and the community drivers vs the supplied drivers?
@@FroggyTWrite true, would love to see how big of a difference it is for higher end of these laptop chips and their desktop brothers, cuz lower end(3060m and 3060) has very similar if not identical performance. And it would be even better if in the future, the two were compared on the newer games and see how big of a difference would official driver and no official driver support make
Truly is an intriguing idea, amazed it hasnt been bigger already. It should be HUGE in countries like India or China.
It's a similar outcome on the idea I wrote before, that I would like to see something like 30W, 60W, 90W and maybe even 120 and 150W limited cards. And whatever they can do in that range and whatever price it's worth of for that performance. It could also open up a new tier of choices and even competition.
This content is absolutely captivating! I'm completely enamored by it!
I personally love seeing these desktop converted mobile gpus and their performance with additional pci-e power connector on it.
Love your content, always an eyebrow raiser! This was a definite wtf and so very interesting you looked into it. Legend! Hope we start seeing more random stuff like this in the market.
You also need to start comparing cards like these to other cards, so we get an idea about relative performance !!
Notification gang. We love some RGinHD on a weekend.
Welcome back!
Love how the box says "High temperature" 😂At least they're honest!
one thing i noticed with these laptop turned desktop cards is that if you use GPU-Z to examine it, the Bus ID Box will have a proper PCI Vendor designation, but the Device ID section will more than likely be 0000-0000 which is why official drivers won't work, these cards have had their firmware(?) or VBIOS(?) modified by whatever company is putting them out
This could have some premise for people who have power limitations. Some pre built systems might have whacky cases or psu form factors, so a card between a 3060ti and 3070 that sits at about 100-110W is not a bad idea.
It'll be roughly on par with the 3060ti since its not using its full 140w TDP
Would be nice to compare side by side with a desktop 3070 to see the performance difference.
Is it just me or is this card doing incredibly well for only around 100W of power consumption? I remember reading that the desktop 3070 is rated for up to 240W. Doesn't seem like this 3070m is held back much despite the low power figure, does it beat the 4060 in raw performance?
It'll edge out the 4060. Since this is the 100w 3070m, it'll likely match the 4060.
Good thing Radeon mobile gpu is that they work just fine with official drivers such as rx6600m would love to see a 6700m one day
This just made me think how MXM could have been. Lots of mini PCs lately, imagine if they have a standardized mobile GPU slot
Would've loved to see a comparison to a normal 3070.
Still, seems like a surprisingly capable card at less than half the power consumption of the desktop version.
It wouldn't be a fair comparison since its not the 3070 desktop chip. That'd be the 3070ti mobile which would be pretty close to the desktop 3070
@@siyzerix That's the exact reason I want the comparison. Why would I wanna see a comparison with two identical cards?
@@Remu- Because the 3070ti mobile can use nearly half the power too and spit out similar performance to the desktop 3070. Since they're the same GPU's.
@@siyzerix Alright, but I was interested in seeing how the mobile and desktop versions of the same model compare. That's all.
@@Remu- Thats the thing. Nvidia fools people on laptops with rtx 3000 and 4000 naming. During pascal, the laptop 1070 and 2070/super were the same between laptop and desktops. Just the TDP's were different. So the laptop 1070 spat out the same FPS as desktop 1070's. 2070/s were 5-6fps behind the desktop 2070/s.
So with rtx 3070 vs desktop 3070, nvidia ripped us off. Then they sell us the real laptop 3070 as the 3070ti mobile. Thus the 3070m would be further behind desktop 3070. Likely around the 15%-20% mark.
I liked how you stuck on "High Temperature" on the box xD
thats really impressive tbh wasnt expecting much
This card is amazing given that the price is correct ;) with carefull undervolt i've managed 12000+ gpu score in Timespy and a bit higher than 2800 in the latest Steel Nomad benchmark. One important note though.. Measuring a bunch of these cards in mining seems that the real consumption (when says 115w..) is 155-160w ;), they way under report the watt they consume, still safe with the 1x 8pin
I have the RX 6600M from the same company since october last year, working like a charm. The Radeon "mobile-to-desktop" chinese cards make more sense than nVidia's because they use the stock AMD drivers no problem, so the issue of uncertainty of updates for the hacked drivers is completely avoided.
The only real gripe is that an early year AMD driver removed the ability for tuning the card, especially the fan curve. I had been using MorPowerTool plus a custom fan curve to make the card work more silently, but that update removed my abiity to do so (it also blocks the possibility to adjust fan curve from any external application). Luckily you can resolve that by using the Pro drivers, which do allow for GPU tuning like usual. So far no news from AMD, so I think it was an intended change and it seems to have affected all mobile GPUs, not just these weird chinese cards.
At the moment the deal made a hell lot of sense, I got it for 200 USD (shipping included) while the RX 6600 was like 400 USD in my country. The fun part is that the RX 6600M has the exact same core as the desktop GPU and is at most 3% slower, unlike other mobile versions
The 6650XT is now $250 in almost every country in the world. Makes no sense picking up ali cards
I got the same here recently, was around £120 on the second hand market, very happy with it honestly. The few hiccups in games I've experienced seem to relate more to AMD drivers themselves than the card too, a weird and cool little package in my opinion.
@@VuBeClan Oh you sweet summer child, bless your innocence. You underestimate the power of ludicrous tech import taxes, 60% in my country.
Just rechecked my current local prices, the RX 6600 is at 350 USD and the RX 6650 XT at 450 USD. And many other countries in the region are the same or worse. Now tell me AliExpress doesn't make sense again...
And for context of how I got the card imported without those taxes, we have a law where you can import tax free 3 times a year if it's under 200 USD total.
It's written NVIDIA, not "nVidia".
The first things I look for in any new GPU I'm buying is thick material and high temperature. This seems perfect.
1:30 "Far more, simpeler"... that jars. Great video though!
Got an Rx 6600m on a desktop pcb from the same seller/vendor a couple of months ago for 170€ which was a steal at the time. The card arrived and looked completely new to my eyes and the build quality was great, all metal and stuff with with heatpipes. It worked great, never going above 65°C, great performance. After a month or two my PSU exploded for unknown reasons and the card died as well a couple of weeks after I got a new PSU. The seller wouldn't send me a new one, they insisted that I sent them this one for repairs which would literally last months and cost me a lot of money. Had it repaired two times in my country for almost as much money as I had paid for it and after that it died again and I threw it in the trash. Since most reviews were extremely positive, I guess mine was an isolated case and maybe had to do with the first psu.
Weird case. I wonder what exactly failed in it...
Sounds quite likely your psu did damage that couldnt be seen somewhere.
@@SummonerArthur something to do with power, at least if the technician who repaired it is to be believed
@@dalehammers4425 Yes... could be.
i got a rx580 from a "toastedbros" video and honestly can't fault it sadly the driver support is stopping real soon maybe this will help me and great to see the community doing there own drivers!
Yeah the community always comes through!
Custom drivers my friend
These could be AMAZING for Mini (Micro?) ATX builds! Imagine the possibilities with a low-power gpu like this
This is what I was thinking. Go low profile with them and slap into SFF builds and turn it into a gaming beast. Turn a $100 office pc into a gaming rig.
@@dalehammers4425the issue there is that desktops at that price wouldnt have enough cpu power. 6th or 7th gen i7s start bottlenecking somewhere past a gtx 1070 and this is well past that in performance.
@@Vegatablez can get newer ones on the open market. Businesses closing down and just dumping stuff cheap. My buddy just got 24 of em with 9th gen i7s.
Those drivers are literally downloading an .exe off some guy on the Internet. No chance
Yeah I definitely get that
yeah that turned me so off.
no chance in hell i'm gonna risk it
besides, even if it is safe, if they decide to not update the drivers anymore you are toast. no thanks
@@RandomGaminginHD nothing like a long conversation about a mystery virus with a partner vibes
I'd trust FrankenDriver but I'd rather buy a genuine GPU.
@@XionLuistbf, the actual manufacturer can just decide to stop driver support at any time too, AMD is pretty notorious for it, they literally cut driver support for some products released less than a year ago.
It would be interesting to see these frankenstein Versions tested against both the Laptop and the Desktop versions.
I'd get one depending on the price. If it's significantly cheaper I'd give it a shot.
I'd like to see you compare one of these to regular card.
0:39 ah yes, high temperature. definitely a feature i want on my gpu
"High temperature" advertised on the box brings back memories of Nvidia Fermi GPUs and all the memes associated with it. Hot hot, the way it's meant to be cooked!
it will be interesting to see how the reliability of these cards are going forward
Without official drivers not very high likely.
Nice video ! Just I was wondering why don't you use dlss since the most of the users will play with it ?
Still does the job. RTX 3070 laptop ran all the games I had perfectly fine a few years ago.
“High temp” is a highlight feature lmao
0:41 I almost choke on my own food the moment I heard high temperatures 😂😂
I can't believe the box says "High temperature" 🤣🤣
Some sort of reference against a desktop 3070 or 3060Ti would have been very helpful!
I can tell you that my ddr4 setup with 3060ti gets better performance in witcher 3 🤔
i saw this listing yesterday, i'm now very tempted
Go with an AMD one if you do, official drivers work.
@@dalehammers4425 if i'm getting this right, if i get for example a 6600m i should be able to run official drivers?
The amd franken cards can use official drivers supposedly.
The 6600m for around 120-140usd are a great deal
Interesting card, very similar to a 4060 in terms of power usage, how would it compare in terms of performance given its almost £100 cheaper?
Laptop chip being cooled desktop cooler. What a mix
I saw one of these mobile chips on a 40 series card in another video…not sure if it was yours or another UA-camr but these cards are a sweet deal ngl🔥 also efficient on energy
I would consider the Frankenstein M cards for SFF builds if stock drivers worked. I don't want to risk losing future compatibility and driver support.
Then just go AMD side. I.e. The 6600m works with official drivers
Low profile mobile gpu's could radically change the SFF playing field. Get an old office pc for like 50 bucks, slap a low profile mobile GPU in it for about $150, you have a $200 gaming rig.
@@SummonerArthur Tried to find some but zero relevant results come up when I search for 6600m or rx6600m
EDIT:
Found some. Too bad they're all two fan cards.
Please include Alan Wake 2 in the benchmarks if possible. Good video as always.
Certainly interesting, I would love to see an in-depth video or just a read on how they manage the vBios and such. Personally, I wouldn't buy as a primary Gpu because of the lack of official drivers and how that may affect the overall Nvidia feature set. But still interesting.
Back in the day I bought an ATI 9600 mobile on an AGP card. I put a bigger heatsink on it and the GPU could be overclocked over 50% from stock. Unfortunately I could only get around 20MHZ or so extra on the memory speed, so the performance gains were limited. I still have it. I put it in a dual Xeon Socket 604 Asus board that could also hit an absurd 50%+ overclock using ClockGen and disabling Hyperthreading. It's been a few years since I last used it considering it eats electricity and can't do that much compared to even a quad core Intel Atom, but it was a fun machine 18 years ago.
That card is a good boy for the budget
I like the idea putting mobile chips in a desktop graphics card.
I have been using two of these GPUs in two separate PCs for the past year and a bit with zero problems and they are great value. As many have pointed out, this is personal preference and you always run a risk by downloading anything from the internet.
Also, the driver mods are simple .inf edits with a small mod added to give support for easy anti cheat for those who play online games - that’s literally all.
Even though it is a subscription (approximately £1) for new drivers - I lead a busy lifestyle and it’s simply convenient for me 😊 There are also clone AMD cards as well [but they use standard drivers]
so you have been using the jie shuo cards for an year with no issue ?
@@thedude-ty4nm yup - literally had no problems with them at all :-)
@@paulpsomiadis5847 i am sooooo glad for your comment because i am thinking of buying from them the 580 8gb version the other brands havent had best reviews
Did you try the laptop drivers from NVIDIA? I wonder why it wouldn't install normally, I guess the code had to be messed with the add the display and power ports?
Love the efficiency.
The card is actually nice. The main problem is reselling it few years later when you want to upgrade
I would like to see low-profile versions of these GPUs
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Agree, imagine one of these in an office rig that cost ya $50.
Lovely do some more of these gpus
When swapping different laptop gpus into laptops, you have to inf mod the drivers. I did it with my dell precision 7530 when I upgraded the gpu. I wonder if that could be used with these if you don't trust the frankendriver.
As long as it works and the price is right, don't mind using that graphics card. Have also seen listings of laptop cpus that have been shipped as desktops too, but never actually used one though.
May I suggest testing games that has anti-cheat system, like Valorant, when you test cards like these and probably mention it on the video?
Cuz I heard it's a hit or miss when it comes to games with anti-cheat, obv because it runs on modded/unofficial drivers.
I don't play Valorant (or really any competitive games), but I think it might be deal breaker for some ppl who are into competitive games and are interested in these cards.
One of those pieces of hardware that I would probably never buy but I would love to if I had to extra money just to play with it lol I guess thats where this channel comes in handy
I have the rtx 3070m and you can overclock the chip really good. I stay about 2,060 mhz with 90 watts consumed( at115 watts its only 2090-2100 mhz).
If it works like it's supposed to , & they are trying to keep buyers well informed I would purchase one . Especially if the price is right , along with decent quality . I don't need any junk !
Those weird drivers are a dealbreaker for me... However, I would absolutely consider buying one of these converted mobile GPUs of an AMD card, as they can use official drivers
I prefer the AliExpress AMD cards since they get recognized instantly and have no issues installing official drivers.
When it comes to cheap no-name cards thers one Nvidia card i've kept around proberly from 2003 i guess.
From a time where many people went into stores to buy hardware.
By first glanze it looks somewhat high-end with an orb cooler, however the entire orb cooler is made of plastic, fins included. To trick people into thinking they are making a good deal on a high-end card.
When in reality they get a really low end card without an heatsink, only a noisy fan "cooling" the plastic. Have checked and theres no actual heatsink under the plastic, just some really low-end chip that normally would have been used on some server board.
The card is so shitty that i've only kept it because its comedy gold.
very surprising performance!
Well considering this gpu is literally half the price of its official counterparts I'd give it a shot especially considering how franken drivers have been. I understand people arnt that fond of them but they seem pretty reliable.
Is there any overclocking potential with this card? Given that it only consumes about a 100W, some gains might be had if it can be pushed to the 120-150W TDP that other similar desktop cards run at.
20+ years ago when I had a mobile ATI GPU (laptop) the card was fine, but the drivers from AMD were rare when they were released as you would often have to either rely on the laptop manufacturer (good luck with that), or drivers which were provided by "fans". One of such drivers were the Omega Drivers, IIRC.
Thankfully nowadays the GPU manufacturers, at least Nvidia and AMD, properly fully support their mobile chipsets.
I really do not see me ever willingly go back to the early 00s with having to rely on drivers from "fans". Frell that poop!
Drivers aside though, I find this a really fascinating concept which I wish was officially supported. The power consumption alone...mmmm
Thanks for the video.
Nvidia does not support this, not even close, AMD however the drivers will work just fine.
@@dalehammers4425 You their official mobile drivers work for similar products with their chipsets?
I bought a Rx 6700m desktop variant a while back worked fine even has official driver support still using in my kids PC
Hmm I wonder if these are still on sale, would be interested in one.
Id definitely use something like that as an egpu since i don't feel like buying another pc / laptop anymore. Especially now that minisforum doesn't seem to be bringing back the nucxi7.
I want to see them making Low profile desktop gpu's out of rtx 4050 would be so cool a efficient gpu which uses not that much power in a desktop
Also can you try using mobile 3070 drivers?
I actually have a crossfire pair of XFX HD4850m cards. Didn't even know they were a thing. However that also explains SOOO MUCH why XFX got themselves such a bad rap sheet with their HD4800 series rebrand cards. They were using mobile parts!!
Hey, it would be nice to see a comparison between this 3070 and a desktop 3070/3060 :D
Have you tested any online games? I can imagine many anticheat systems would not be happy to see modified driver in a system.
Yeah the Frankenstein drivers are fine with that so should be good. I still didn’t try just in case 😂
Obviously the next step is for this to be paired with one of those Erying motherboards with laptop CPUs soldered onto the board. For the full desktop with laptop processors experience.
That seems like an interesting card there. I reckon it matches, or even exceeds, my RTX 3060, which would be good because I think my RTX 3060 might have a couple of issues that I want to iron out. I'm also not too fussed with the missing DP out, because let's face it, who is going to have 4 monitors plugged into their GPU at once! I'd also rather have multiple HDMI than multiple DP, because HDMI cables are more commonplace on both monitors and to purchase, whether outright or when bundled with surplus equipment. The amount of HDMI cables I've salvaged from scrap satellite or cable TV bundles is amazing...
P.S. You really should go 32GB DDR5. IMO 16GB DDR5-6000 would be worse than 32GB DDR4-3200, both in general and gaming.
I actually have one of these and it was on par with my 1080ti, sometimes outperforming it, so probably a fair bit better than a 3060.
for purely gaming you might be right there is little use for 4 monitors, but there are other workloads that do benefit greatly. For programming I for example use one screen for my code editor, one for the output, and the others for documentation, code examples, discussion boards, messaging apps, instructional videos. I could have that all on a single screen and have it all in tabs, but I've found both my work output and work enjoyment increase with every screen I add, although the increase is less with every screen, there is still an improvement. Also other workloads that benefit from having a lot of reference materials visible at once can benefit from having 4 or more screens.
I actually prefer DP over HDMI outputs because you can daisy chain (within limits) screens together to easily get more screens per GPU and you can get cheap passive DP to HDMI adapters for all your HDMI needs. So I say, make all outputs (mini)DP and supply HDMI adapters with the card. but all of this is moot if you just want a single or two screen setup purely for gaming. But like I said, there are more uses for PCs than just gaming.
If this card did have 4 outputs I'd be more inclined to buy it. Relatively modern GPU with a lot of the rendering and AI features I'm missing right now. Relatively low power (I work from home a lot and pushing all that heat into my tiny apartment gets really uncomfortable real fast in summer). And pretty affordable. With 4 outputs it would be perfect for my needs, with 3 slightly less so,
@@dv7533I definitely wouldn't recommend daily driving this card or one similar to anyone, simply due to the nature of the drivers. They work, but they may stop working on them at any time. After owning one I can say that mine has 4 outputs, but when using one of the DP ports and running anything that will utilise the GPU, it will cause severe artefacting and the display would be unusable. I can't say if that happened on one of the HDMI ports, but I know that one of them worked fine. So, no guarantee that the ports will even work 100%.
Prices were fluctuating a lot for Ali graphics cards the last few months. I was checking constantly so I could hit buy at its lowest. I was hoping to grab another card recently but after 11.11 everything shot up $20-30.
Damn I've been eyeing this on AliExpress lately. Those Frankenstein drivers make it worthwhile. I can get It for 971₪ whereas an RTX 4060 costs 1500~₪
What the f is that symbol, my brother
as dawid once said : those necromancers at aliexpress that licked plutonium
There is a way where you can actually edit the driver's files where original Nvidia drivers can be installed
I'm curious how it works with the linux drivers. Does the official ones work or is magic required for linux as well?
I have a 6GB 3060M and I have to say it's pretty great. Giving it to my son (probably) for Christmas for Fortnite to try and reduce his electricity useage!
Honestly the original creator could just slap it into a mini PC and it'll still sell like hot cakes. Too bad the intentions are different.
It looks so tiny :3 I would certainly loved for amd/nvidia to release their top m cards in the compact case like this one...
not bad at all for a franken card, I expected waay worse
I think some rx 6600m uses official drivers from amd. Get this card using nvida drivers and its a winner
These cards would be such a great bargain, if it weren't for the lack of official drivers being compatible with them. Tho I've heard the AMD Aliexpress cards work fine with the official drivers, so maybe an RX 6700m would be a better choice.
In any event, I could imagine all of those cards are probably pretty hard to resell when you want to upgrade to something more powerful. Which can be a huge bummer.
I have said that before. If, by chance, you need to get a mobile graphics card adapted to desktop - get the RX 6600m from AMD. It WORKS with official drivers, has the same Vram and essentially the same base performance as a regular desktop RX 6600. That means you don't have to rely on weird .exes from Chinese sellers or pray that they keep updating their drivers after each release.
Will the modified cards be compatible with the kraken g12 cooling bracket? If so, maybe it might result in a bit better performance.
2:46 what is that Frankenstein mess of cables lol
If you wanna go even jankier than this, there are 3070M 16GB versions out there on Taobao as well. Performance uplift in most games is unnoticeable in most games tho.
Two HDMI ports! I like it (why is this feature so rare these days?)
This reminds me of those stories of Chinese shops converting 4090 cards to AI versions, buying up vast supplies of 4090s before the U.S. export ban kiks in on 4090 sales in China. But in the opposite direction in this case 😉!
I have a 3070 Mobile Chip that gets 150 watts with a stable core over clock and memory clock; The card is cery solid ESPECIALLY if you don't have any CPU bottleneck.