MSI RTX 4090 Suprim Liquid X Review - VRM MONSTER!
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
- The MSI RTX 4090 Suprim Liquid X gives us our first look at a watercooled RTX 40-series GPU. It uses a 240mm AIO but retains an active fan on the shroud to cool the VRM. As Dominic finds out however, the attention to detail is lacking... Read the written article here: bit.ly/3MRtflR
00:00 Introduction
00:50 Design overview
01:40 RGB lighting
01:57 Why an AIO card could be a space saver…
02:52 Backplate and dual-BIOS
03:34 Radiator and fan setup
04:58 Something to be aware of with the tubing
05:51 Installing the radiator… two things to fix
09:04 PCB and cooler analysis
10:00 Test setup
10:35 Thermals and acoustics
12:40 Coil whine soundtest
13:11 Noise-normalised thermals
13:50 Power and clocks
14:44 Game benchmarks
15:16 Overclocking
15:56 Closing thoughts
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Correction: at 14:17 the graph is labelled 'RTX 3090 Clock Speed Over Time Comparison', when of course it should say ''RTX 4090 Clock Speed Over Time Comparison'
Mate, is it dangerous to me to just replied the OC you made? Have the same 4090
One of the things to like about it is that it's a 4090 that will actually fit in a computer case.
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Imagine thinking "silent gale" was an odd choice for a fan? That's like.. the best name a fan could have and it confuses you? What the heck!
Great review - and I really appreciate the discussion on radiator mounting and fan direction options!
Thank you so much for the meaningful noise samples!
I over clocked mine to 3.1ghz and was only at 72c. Got the memory to +1500!
Does the rad have to be plugged into the board? Also I had it installed like you have it, and the temp got to 100 degrees, turning it upside down seems to have solved that
Main reason for me getting this, was the silent operation. Using an open headset, it's fantastic to remove ambient noise.
I was able to flip over the fans into a top-mounted pull configuration with ease - the screws weren't an issue. Not sure if my July 2023 purchase had different screws, but it worked without issue.
@KitGuruTech Heya Thanks for the review. Great job. I was considering on getting this card due to space requirements on the motherboard. Could you give me your thoughts further on the radiator setup? I have AIO for the CPU in the top. My case manual states that the front of the case will accommodate 120MM form factor radiators for up to 240MM.
I presume then that this card's radiator could fit in the front of my case (my only option). But , it' may be tight. Since I can't find anywhere on MSI stating the 'FORM FACTOR' of the radiator. I'm a bit concerned. Is it something you know?
PLUS, does it matter if the tubes on the radiator are on the bottom, as long as the radiator itself goes above the GPU card pump? Which orientation is preferable if you had a choice?
THanks!
Very detailed review KG! I think the Palit one is my favourite you have reviewed so far. love the RGB madness, - did you try that card with a riser? shame you can't see it in most systems
No i didn't, i'm not sure using a riser with that card is the best idea tbh - you'd need a very wide case to accommodate it, otherwise the fans could get choked when pressed up against the side panel
KitGuruTech - can you recommend using the 12VHPWR adapter this gpu card comes with? or do i need better quality elsewhere to prevent cable to melt?
I bought the MSI PC you guys recommended, its been good for me so far. thanks. Wont be buying a new GPU for a while, this one looks interesting, but whats up with the price? Are MSI just plucking random numbers out of the air?
I am currently planning on building with a Cooler Master HAF XB EVO and was thinking of having this GPU. The case supports a 200mm fan on top which I would use for exhaust and use the radiator as intake fans. At least that was my idea. I guess I better buy some additional screws to mount the radiator the way I want it. Thanks for the insight.
i have the zotac 4090 installed on a hyte y60, do you recommend swapping the gpu for this one ?
Thanks for this feature rich in depth review 🤩 Dom 🥰👍. Can always count on KitGuru to find the niggling issues of a product like this, the screw length for case mounting of the radiator being one of them 😏😡. MSI deserve credit creating a long forgotten dual-slot GPU which we haven’t seen for a couple generations on the high end 🤓😢.
Great review Dom !
Nice review, love the normalized noise review! Regarding the price - isnt the US one without tax, and the UK one with tax?
Newegg has a pre order for an MSI infinite prebuilt with the gpu, I ordered it, thanks for the great video 👍
Hallo, habe jetzt die MSI Suprime X Liquid 4090 da. Sieht gut aus, aber die Pumpe ist mir ein wenig zu laut. Wie und wo kann ich denn die Pumpen Drehzahl verstellen? Im MSI Center habe ich nichts dazu gefunden.
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the most informative review of this card. thank you so much for talking about the space clearances of the card. excellent video!
I'm not a huge fan of GPU AIOs, but they're kinda cool of the price is right. The price on this one in particular seems really good for what you get and it looks pretty good to boot. I think it'll sell well given it makes it a 2 slot card for 9% more than the FE (in U.S.) and probably much easier to actually buy at MSRP versus the FE.
I'm divided on this. These days we don't really tax the CPU enough in gaming to warrant a water cooler. I feel like if anything, we'd want to be able to enhanced our GPU's over CPU. Although it does make it a 2 slot, finding a spot for the radiator could be more hassle for some people. I've chosen to now just mount my GPU externally and remove it when I transport my PC.
Also the FE isn't normally available unless you with the GeForce XP lottery.
Thanks for the measurements - it’s always nice to know that the thing can physically fit before you buy it. Although in this case might spring for a standard cooled Palit when I can get hold of one and then add my own water cooler and save quite a few quid.
Can you custom cool the Suprim Liquid X 4090?
second the push configuration. I tried a couple of setups. if on the intake make the rest of the system go up 15 degrees
I bought my Suprim X in January and the memory temps are better than reported here (mid 70s vs mid 80s). I’ll have to assume MSI changed something at the factory to help improve temps.
The highest I saw on mine was 76C, and on average it was lower. I think it really depends on how well the airflow is set up in your case.
Seems like the ideal card to watercool. Seems like a solid overall design with a few issues. just wish they werent so expensive. over £2k ? wow
In my country it's even cheaper than the air cooled version cuz all rtx 40 series are expensive af here
I've been looking for a review of the INNO3D ICHILL BLACK 4090. I hope you guys take a look at this one. I had a pair of 980ti ICHILL Blacks and they were simply the best cards I've ever owned.
Lovely PCB you can see where the money is like that. The sooner they come up with transparent cooling solutions for GPUs so you can actually see this stuff the better.
Great review
Why you didn't unlock voltage and maximized it in MSI Afterburner when you overclocked? Will there be a harm doing so?
its voltage locked
Awesome card, well done MSI. nice reveiw dom too
9:34
is the copper in direct contact with liquid metal? Or does it even use liquid metal?
Asking because "Der 8auer" was complaining about the ASUS aio GPU having liquid metal against the copper which causes some issues apparently in the long term.
DO YOU KNOW????
Super nice video, thumbed up BUT, bruh, you put your GPU AIO upside down, the pipes on the radiator side should be put as low as possible or you'll get bubbles that keep getting into your circuit, which isn't good
I recently had this card repaired because of cablemod adapter. I use hardware info and I'm getting on my hotspot section
Low 29
Average 75
Maximum over 95
Is this normal or is it running hot and I need to get it repasted.
Any help would be great
The hose exit from the card doesn't work for me. Huge miss during design, I would've loved the card.
thats a beast ! looks like it was rushed a bit through final development without some focus on some key areas
My card doesn’t have any coil whine. I haven’t over clocked though.
I just can't stop staring at the radiator being mounted TUBES UP.
I wonder why no company decides to release full coverage blocked 1-slot solution, with the power and liquid ports all situated on the shorter side, opposite the video outs... Nearly every solution out there uses "top-mounted" ports or top placed tubing, making them either impossible for SFF or pretty hard to fit with the tubing. And yet in server space we already had full coverage, mobo+cpu+sxmgpus, blocks that manage to cool everything and keep the profile low. Maybe once such a manufacturer arrived at the desktop space we'd have seen a full coverage mitx/matx boards, originally thin and fully covered gpu pcbs, all playing nice with each other and allowing for denser builds... Heck, if Alphacool or EK or Barrows got together wih the manufacturers, given many have branches for both mobos and gpus, they might have prepped a truly interesting solution, with eg. combined option of extendable rads + pumps + blocks to create something unique on the market without voiding the warranty or extra work... costs may not be as prohibiting a factor, nowadays we're already seeing boards costing nearly $1k, gpus meanwhile, as in this example, easily get to $2.5k levels so the extra costs any thoroghbred out-of-the-box liquid cooled set, that could work together and eg. fit in SFF cases such as NR200 or similes with space for 2 rads to cool everything efficiently, brought would have been lost in the overall scheme of costs.
Why couldn't you use the side vent on the case? It's there for specifically situations like these when you have multiple rads. So you have front and rear intake then top and side exhaust. Which is the best airflow you can wish for.
Yeah I could well have done, i'm not saying this setup is the definitive guide, just wanted to show it this way really
Yeah, this one baffled me too. The side mount seems the best choice when you have a cpu rad mounted to the top.
I flipped my fans on the radiator just fine. I would have preferred more rad screws though.
Can I put my own Custom RGB fans on the AIO
why would they choose to water cool the card but not water cool the VRM as well?
why would they go with a 240mm radiator and not a more efficient 360mm? for such a premium product?
Aorus Waterforce Xtreme RTX-4090 was the first released 4 days earlier
yeah, temps are higher because you didin't mount the fans to the radiator. :smh:
I want to replace the fans with white phanteks rgb fans, do the OG fan cables are they able to be removed ? Or are they stuck in the gpu tubing
You can use your own fans, fan extension cables are runnig under the tubing sleeving, the connetors are outside, easy to reach.
@@greggreg2458 thanks, yeah that’s with most fans but I also have lian li infinity and Corsair QL, but not using the regular 4 pin fan connected but their own unique Connecter to the rgb controller
@@aidansedore5182 nice fans, i would use them but sadly i'm running 30 fans in my build and that would be too much money :)
Interesting stuff, the fan screws dearth is baffling, and the vrm cooling, the non US pricing is irritating, thanks for the review
A link to the screws you suggest for fans that are 25mm would be nice
You're after standard asetek screws that come with an asetek AIO. I'm not sure if you can buy mounting kits for those standalone, but eBay may be the place to look
@@KitGuruTech ive never built a pc before i have a friend gonna help me build it but im doing a push pull fan layout on the radiator of this card with corsair ll120mm fans if you wouldn’t mind could you link me an amazon link to the screws you think would work for this
The question marks disappear when you consider the card size. That's the one and only reason I went with an AIO cooler.
Late review, but this card is excellent. It dumps all the GPU heat outside of the case! Much cooler inside than my 4070ti ever was, lower temperatures on the GPU, and I'll never go back to normal air cooling for the GPU.
I believe gale would be a reference to gale force winds so silent gale would not strike me as a necessarily strange name by any means.
I hope this helps those buying this GPU. I STRONGLY suggest push pull setup. I somewhat am expert on MSI AIO GPUs. I am getting 24C temps at idle and 50-55 for chip and around 60-65 on hotspot
The wallpaper in the background? Anyone?
how do you switch from Silent Bios to Gaming Bios?
Switch on the back of the card.
swapped out the stock fans for Noctua NF-F12 iPPC 3000 PWM, Heavy Duty Cooling Fan, 4-Pin, 3000 RPM (120mm, Black) out of habit like i did with the 140 mm version for my arctic freezer ii 420 rad aio for my cpu bc nothing in terms of static pressure comes close and the airflow is just as good best fans id say you can get or at least that i can find for case airflow or rad fans anyway with these fans the screws were able to thread on the side of the my case to the rad no problem thought id mention that also i can only speak for these fans and the ones that come with arctic coolers but the noise dampeners on the corners are not needed I've never had rattling even at 3000 rpm so though the stock fans may be able to side mount if you didn't try removing them shaving off a few mm more or less could be all that it needed to fit through
Do you have to disassemble the card to swap the fans ?
@「my bih yucky slatt』 yeah really youn just have to remove a few screws...
@「my bih yucky slatt』 not dude there on the radiator youd have to if you wanted to remove the one on the card but I don't think that's what you're referring to.
And you can side mount the rad yes wir noctual the stock fans together the screws through the fans to the rad is slightly out of threading reach i wad asble todi it with noctua"s. Thought Idk what case you have but if it's a full tower put the arctic rad as intake on the front and put the gpus rad as exhaust top mount the rad you can fit the rad on the side of say a corsair 700f airflow with 2 more 120s on.the side but the pump I want to be A bit higher got gpu bc tou have to instal thengpu rad on the. Bottom of the intake bc the 420 on top cucks you at least if you want to fit all the fans you could just use 3 but just thought throw that info out ther
@@iDeparture Yes, the fans on the radiator. I'll be building in the y60 tho with lian li fans. I was actually considering that push-pull thing on the radiator, but I read people were having issues with the screws being too short and this is my first build so I'll just leave that alone lol. Lowkey wish the card had a 280mm radiator instead.
Any idea when the UK will get 4090 stock?
Mid to end November you should see better stock levels
@@DDD-xx4mg im not so sure we will.
This is why I chose to air cool my CPU, incase i ever got another hybrid GPU and I'd want to mount the rad up top. Grabbing my 4090 Suprim Hybrid today; she's a tight fit against the CPU cooler tho lol
5:36 flip that rad!
AIO radiator is installed upside-down. Tubes at the bottom.
very FIRST thing I glanced at
I have never exceeded 62 degrees Celsius even with over clocking. You must have a defective card or you are putting too much pressure on the tubes.
I wanted to consider this gpu for a dual 4090 system (for 3d rendering) but the memory temps make me a little worrie...
And also the other AIO alternative, the gigabyte waterforce seems to have building issues.
Love Ya!
"liquid but GDDR6X Cooled Runs Hot"
Catchy
this might catchy a bit of fire too
@@rufusmctavish1164 But its Haut. Its Nvidia.
I have had mixed success with MSI over the years. I had a few fans fail in their high end cards, but overall, this would be great. But I think they might be overcharging just a little for it in Europe.
This model’s aio is manufactured by cooler master. Well at least the pump & radiator afaik
How is it for coil whine? The amount of 4090s hit with coil whine is crazy.
Coil whine is really bad on this card. During gaming screeches like a banshee and modulates with changes on screen. Easily heard over the quiet fans on the card and radiator from a closed case and across the room. Very annoying, and very dissapointing. Big fail for MSI.
@@frostymmb Use RTSS and cap the FPS to your monitor refresh rate, for example: 144hz - 144FPS cap, the coil whine is gone, enjoy!
i just got one, it was manufactured last august, i can't hear any coil whine even with overclocking, unless i put my ear right next to the rear fan... so basically coil whine isn't an issue at all, even when severely overclocked i can't hear it... i keep the pc on the floor.
@@DragRacingTV There is a chance they copied Asus and swapped the inductors.
I have been saying for 6 months + that it was because of the 70a inductors the Suprim and Strix were using.
Back in August, Asus said they swapped the inductors to help with coil whine, but there is no way of knowing new from old. You got lucky with your MSI.
"GALE"
1.a very strong wind.
"I slept well despite the howling gales outside"
The UA-cam generation of not googling a word before wtf-ing
Honestly, I was blown away he didn’t get that one 😂
Will stick to my 3090Ti thanks.
I like MSI products, but this seems to be a pretty good 4090 PCB with a poor mounting system and a good cooler on it. at more than 2 grand. Am I missing something?
There was me thinking that £1700 seemed quite expensive already. wonder how many of these they will sell!
They will sell a lot because this and the FE card are the ones that actually fit in people's cases lol. The rest of the 4090s are like 4 slots and a million miles long.
I bought on and love it.
Not sure this is worth the huge premium over other cards. I like the idea of an AIO, but it appears in their excitment to release it that MSI forgot about cooling the board properly in other areas.
the only reason i bought this card is because it is the only 4090 that would fit in my mid-tower
some weird design choices - this could have been the best card in this sector, but MSI seem to have just rushed the design out the door and missed some silly things they shouldnt have.
Crazy how he installed the rad incorrectly and complains about pump wine
i didn't get it either, this cooler mounts up perfectly in the front of the case, where most people are going to put it... setting it up with push/pull fans is a hassle with the screws, but it's far superior overall to using air cooling.
Don't show the back of the pcb, what for? twice the front, much better.
Awesome - another card I can't afford ! 🤪
video ,, RTX 4090 HOF 3,1ghz overclocking tutorial ,,
Wait they only give you 4 screws to mount the radiator? That is extremely stupid.
Voltage limited. Not thermally limited.
I bought the non X version.
Is it dangerous to me to just replied this OC in my Suprim Liquid X 4090 ?
RGB lighting is cool but unnecessary. But given how much these things cost then maybe its a little bit more value for money. Still two grand though. For a (top of the line but still) graphics card!!
wtf was that coil buzzing
These cards really need a 360mm radiator. At 60C core temps the coolant has got to be pushing 50C, just 10C away from the limits of most AIOs which will definitely shorten the lifespan due to evap.
no they dont. my liquid x runs at 58celcius while gaming. No where near 90 celcius. 32 degrees below
I bought my 3090ti with 360mm by EVGA.
idk where you get your info but you are very wrong.
... and you cant buy it at MSRP if at all! Same crap different cards. I guess we can buy them when the 5090 comes out.
Maybe in the future GPUs might recycle the heat using a glowing metal crystal that upscales heat into photovoltaic energies or used to get a sun tan for gamers that never leave the house playing games that takes weeks to complete .
I hear that engineers are working on a venting coupler that will connect to your home heating and air solutions.
Wasn't it MSI's usual AIO's for CPU's that was among the worst, even failing?
only 1 and it was fixed
Love those eye lashes.
"best 4090 temps" thats a lie for a few reasons
1: if you are front mounting you are just dumping all that heat into your case in the direction of the GPU
2: I have the Gigabyte AIO 4090 and never seen about 60c
no, the default configuration from the factory is pushing the air thru the cooler and out the front of the case... you'll need a case with enough fan intakes to compensate.
MAXINE ON YOUR EYES =)
With MSI's track record on AIO i would not be surprised if this AIO wont last 6 months.
have had the same aio for 3 years from msi no issues at all.....
Good review Dominic - its a fantastic looking board IMO, I love the cooler design, very understated. If they reduced the price a bit it might make more sense, seems excessive even in todays world.
Never liked MSi cards … I would rather go for another AIB, thanks for the video … If Gigabyte and EVGA put a 360 on a 3090 don’t know how MSI think they can get away with a 240mm radiator on a 4090. Testing shows air or that AIO same same
Never going to buy an msi card again. The 6900XT that I own had ridiculous high junction temps and died after two months. Bought an 6950 XT and that died in two weeks. They didn't even replaced the card, I just got my money back.
Since MSI rejected my 1080ti gaming x warranty because of cooler fins being bent ( how I got it ) I will never buy MSi Again
MSI, Zotac, and gigabyte have a long history of heating and quality control issues. If evga hadnt left the market I would be looking at them. But now its basically asus or gigabyte for me. And asus has by far the better costumer support.
My 4090 suprim liquid doesn't make that sound.
Dominic which is your favourate 4090 so far? have you any opinion on which one to buy? I wanted a founders, but never any stock. nvidia are useless at this
probably the Inno3D X3 OC to be honest. not much of a premium over the MSRP but the cooler holds up very nicely
My last experience with MSI was a disaster, I had fans fail on my 3080 and 3070 cards. They should rename them from GALE to GARBAGE.
Diplomatic Dom we should call you. Do they let you keep this card man? Bet you wouldnt buy it with your own money, right? 😵
Reckon we could get a deal if we buy two at a time? I fancy getting a divorce, might help get it done quicker for me.
AIO's are totally useless with 4000 series since the air coolers are so overbuilt.... and way less reliable.
Daaaaaamn look at this coil whine lol
I think that was the pump... That would be pretty excessive coil whine.
So finally: Dont buy it. Temp.´s too high, copper plate with screwed extensions (= design error one!) Lol. Newer ever seen before copper extensions. Coil wine. The fan does not blow fresh/cool air to the components that need it most (= design error two). And all of this for such an amount of money?! NO!