I also want to add that probably the most important advice in the video is the encouragement for grinding. For me it was always difficult to accept that unique (or just cool) music takes time and effort.
I couldn't agree more. It's so important to push through a track when you get stuck in the mud a bit. It's just as much about developing techniques to get yourself through those situations, as reinforcing your brain not to give up when things get frustrating or challenging. Even if someone can write an amazing track in an hour on guitar, we often forget the years and years of daily practice and discipline it too to develop that ability. ✌
This is SUPER COOL. Man, you're crushing it both with your production skills, your renoise skills, and your vid making skills. You've taught me so much about Renoise. Thanks for all that you're doing!!!
Thanks so much Infinite! Really appreciate the comment mate. I'm glad you've been getting so much out of the vids! :) It's actually also been so beneficial for me to work on these projects. Especially with the music production, always having a theme and purpose for the tracks (as well as a deadline!) has really helped me to develop and finish projects. ✌
@@groovining yeah but from scratch people wouldn’t have that reference track. so you have to show them how you line it up from scratch. All you did was line up markers to a perfect reference track. I guess it’s fine. you’re just quantizing to the grid. It just looks weird because the reference track is right there
Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed it! I actually have barely touched Ableton so as much as i'd love to, i'm probably not the right person for the job. There are definitly some similarities with how Drum Racks work in Ableton and the sampler/modulations tab in Renoise. I think if you understand Ableton, you'd have no problem switching over to Renoise. :)
I’ve used both a fair bit by now. Any particular questions? They’re fairly different in sequencing (tracker vs. clips) but there’s plenty of similarities too. One thing that Ableton does really well is allowing a user to group anything and everything, then process groups separately.
Haha, I know Ableton is great and it has a massive audience but I started on Logic. I think about it but its such a waste of time for me to switch things up now and Logic X is pretty great for SFX, Sound Design. I'd be better off getting an Octatrack and spend a year mastering that! 👀 :)
@@groovining Very good point and a lot of these techniques should be translatable to other DAWs anyway... top notch vids mate... really inspired me to fire up Renoise more often :)
@@groovining yes, and I really appreciate it. It just caught me off guard I guess. In retrospect I have no Business to yap about a self-plug after hours of free Info 😅
@@Nezzrac haha thanks mate. It’s all good I get it for sure. I try my best to be as tasteful as possible with the promo stuff. Glad you’ve been enjoying Renoise anyways, got some more cool techniques coming soon in my new vid. Cheers 😊
It would be amazing to get an album out. I actually agree with you, I still don't love my tracks. I put a huge amount of my free time into the UA-cam vids so I only get to work on actual music every few weeks or so. Finding the balance is hard but I've learnt a huge amount myself from the Photek, Paradox & Source Direct series that I can't wait to put into practise. Cheers mate ✌️🥷
Which Renoise version are you on? I'm trying this on Renoise 3.4 and copying from the phrase editor seems to quantize all the notes. This sounds not good of course.
@@groovining Thanks for the quick answer. At 2:58 you show how to do the trick with slices to phrase. I use this on a loop that is repitched with beatsync, but when I slice the sample to the phrase the slices play at the original speed. To fix this I had to click the "T" to copy the beatsync options to the transpose, then it works, but only by pitching the sample. It's important to do this before placing the slices. Is there a way to "freeze" or resample on the fly inside renoise? Is it possible to assign the pitch macro to a "Repitch" algorithm? With your technique it changes the speed of the samples, too right? Pitching it really high makes more compressed samples pretty choppy and the decay macro is not coupled to the pitch, which influences the playback length. I found mapping pitch from -1 to 1 and decay from 304ms to 64ms at the same time worked pretty good to mitigate this problem on my break that I pitched to 140BPM. Thanks very much for your channel, it's been a really great resource for me :)
If you've already sliced the break and then hit beatsync only the top reference file is transposed. What you need to do is hit 'T' and then turn off beatsync. Then copy the transpose and finetune values to all of the slices of the break. To resample on the fly in Renoise right-click in the pattern editor - Track - Render to sample. I've mapped this to a hotkey. The Gate To Tempo technique we're talking about here is actually really cool as you don't need to repitch the break to get it to warp to your tempo. It cuts off the ends of the hits to make them fit. What's even cooler is you can assign a macro to pitch and decay and play with them both live. You can pitch the break +/- or change your BPM and the break will still fit perfectly. This allows you to choose whether you want your break at its original pitch or sped up without having to time-stretch it. You correct that when you pitch up samples they also speed up. This in turn pushes their frequencies higher and makes them more snappy in the case of drums. The choppiness does not actually come from compression. It's due to the decay of the samples not being long enough. The hits have been sped up so much that there is now silence in between the hits. :) Glad you're enjoying the channel! 😊✌ @@MultiMeschi
I have been listening to this music for a long time but have only recently started producing it. I've worked with ableton and logic for years (mainly making house and synthwave) and would often find myself listening to old jungle tracks and thinking about "how I would do it/what a good workflow would look like" in either of those DAWs and the answers was always some combination of IDK + lots of layering and automation.Yesterday, I watched this video and your "Amen Breaks: The Secret to it All" video, downloaded a demo of renoise, and started messing around with it and rather enjoyed it. Today, I was driving to my mom's house to take her to lunch and I was listening to Hard Drive's Original Rude Boy Tune and thinking about the way you were doing drum replacement and effects (plus the whole tracker work flow) with renoise and it all kind of clicked. Thank you so much.
Thanks for the comment Stephen! I'm so happy I've inspired you to pick up Renoise. I also came over from Logic X but am obsessed now i've got into Renoise. For drums especially its really incredible. All those hit replacement tricks and Sample Commands make working with breaks super fun. Its also amazingly creative. Such a great tool to use on its own or even combine with the DAWs you already know really well. :)✌️🥷
Wow I have been producing jungle for a few years now and I'm still learning new stuff, you're a legend, thanks for the videos, will be watching you closely
Thanks my man! Was nice to wrap up all the Drum Break tricks I've been working with lately. Have so many cool ideas coming up, can't wait to get it all out there! Keep well mate 😀
Okay, the break swapping technique is awesome! There's so much stuff inside Renoise that I still haven't gotten around to using. Except phrases, I've definitely tried to use phrases and I must be missing the point. The way you've used them here is cool, but otherwise they seem kind of not worth the trouble. I feel like they were just pasted into the full version of Renoise after they were made for Redux.
Thanks mate. Lots of fun to be had with break swapping in Renoise! I largely agree about phrases but I do find cool ways to use them every now and again. You can actually send program messages to Renoise to change the current phrase. This can lead to loads more phrase swapping techniques. I also love using them to create FXs. Even still. I work almost entirely in the pattern editor. Mainly because the tools work in there and you can also step automate plugins. Happy New Years!
Lol love the little 90’s esque transitions. That gated technique was really neat, I’d been wondering how to get a tight volume envelope on all those hits while keeping tempo and on the beat. Of course Renoise provides a way, never messed with the phrase editor much.
So many great techniques were discovered in that era! Lot's of them have gotten a little lost over time so i'm constantly looking back, trying to find cool things for the channel. The gated technique is great. Oboviously you can use a transient shaper but it's never as good as using decay like that. Yes, that's what I love about Renoise, eveything is possible there even if its not obovious at first. ✌️
I totally .missed Trackers and started with the 1st FL demo back in the day so sometimes I get a wee bit lost but you have so many great ideas and, more importantly explain it brilliantly. Thanks mate.
Thanks so much for the comment! I actually did something quite similar and started on Logic before eventually finding my way to trackers. I think in some ways it helps to be able to visualise things in a timeline based DAW like FL before you step into Renoise. All these techniques can of course be applied in other DAWs but there's something about the tracker workflow that makes them so fun and easy to apply here. Merry Christmas mate :) 🎄
Thanks for the comment Jake! I'm just trying to do something a little different, make learning about music more interesting than following someone clicking around in a DAW! I also really enjoy getting creative with the themes! 🧭
Great vids In addtion to the mono long gated break option you could still slice to phrase and do the following options create mutliple phrases/edits and: 1 Use the Zxx to trigger each phrase 2 Use the Sxx command to change the startpoint of the phrase (if you are using Dec instead of Hex for Line Numbering some things may not seem logical e.g S10 in the main pattern = line 16 in phrase) 3 Use Keymap in Phrase Editor and then you can replicate the old school way e.g. "C-400" = Phrase 01 , "C#300" Phrase 02 and so on Using Option 3 allows you to port the break into other DAWs via Redux
Thanks Larson, Lots of good info here! The Phrase editor can be a little intimidating when you first start using Renoise but there are actually some really cool things you can do with it! I also love the time-stretching FX technique I went over in a vid a while back. The keymap stuff is super cool, especially as you can save it all away and use it in redux like you said! ✌
Great video! Some excellent techniques outlined here. I really like the method that you show of chopping the render/break and processing slices in the modulation section. Going to experiment with this some tomorrow 👍 Good stuff, mate! Edit: today is tomorrow, fucked with it, it's dope! Can't believe it's taken me this long to render slices to phrase... Very very useful :)
Hey MrZenshphere, nice to hear from you mate. Yea that technique is a lot of fun. You can get amazing results for other genres as well pitching down Hip-Hop breaks etc. So much potential I'm sure you'll dive right into! Adding FXs per slice in the instruments tab can get super crazy. This technique actually works amazingly for chopping records as well. J Dilla used to do this a bit. If you chop directly on the kick and snares of a 4x4 beat, you can start to pitch around the slices but as the kick/snare are always at the start of the chops, they stay in time with your own drums!✌
@@groovining yes, definitely getting some good mileage already using this technique! I'm heavy into resampling, so rendering slices to phrase opens up a LOT of possibilities. Will likely share some interesting results in a future video. Long live renoise! 🤘
@@MrZensphere Nice man, I liked your track on the Renoise forums! very cool stuff :) I'm obsessed with resampling as well. Once you get your head around it, it opens up so many doors and possibilities. Look forwards to the vid. Renoise is life!✌
@@groovining yeah, buddy! I'm always impressed at the power of destructive workflows, and renoise is a great tool in this regard. Thanks for the listen, and glad if you found something to enjoy in it 🤘👽✨
Thanks bro, It's a fun one. I might have gone a little overboard with the animatons but I quite enjoy giving the giving the videos a bit of a theme! I'm trying to veer away as far away as possible from someone simply clicking around in a DAW whilst screen recording!✌️
@@groovining quite like the animations actually. breaks up the vid nicely. As usual you've given me some great ideas to implement in the hardware samplers ;) thx!!!
No joke, you’re one of the hidden gems of production! Amazing production and so many tips. Thanks G
Thanks Jackson. I think so too! - spread the word! 🙏
I also want to add that probably the most important advice in the video is the encouragement for grinding. For me it was always difficult to accept that unique (or just cool) music takes time and effort.
I couldn't agree more. It's so important to push through a track when you get stuck in the mud a bit. It's just as much about developing techniques to get yourself through those situations, as reinforcing your brain not to give up when things get frustrating or challenging. Even if someone can write an amazing track in an hour on guitar, we often forget the years and years of daily practice and discipline it too to develop that ability. ✌
I love the 90s transitions, immaculate vibes, no notes
Apprciate that mate! They were a lot of fun to make 2 :) ✌️🥷
This is SUPER COOL. Man, you're crushing it both with your production skills, your renoise skills, and your vid making skills. You've taught me so much about Renoise. Thanks for all that you're doing!!!
Thanks so much Infinite! Really appreciate the comment mate. I'm glad you've been getting so much out of the vids! :) It's actually also been so beneficial for me to work on these projects. Especially with the music production, always having a theme and purpose for the tracks (as well as a deadline!) has really helped me to develop and finish projects. ✌
this video deserves an award
Thanks Big Nasty, felt good to summerize all of the Drum Breaks techniques i've been working on recently. Glad you enjoyed the vid!✌️
great vid! love the oldschool animation as well :)
Not gunna lie, was quite proud of the animations in this one! 🙂
Amazing techniques! Thank you very much!
Pleasure my friend. Glad you got so much out of the vids! Keep well✌️
can time stretch in renoiseeasily
your videos are so fun to watch dude. fuckin treasure map intro?!
Haha, yea I really went for it on this vid I remember :)
2:08
I don’t understand. Why were you lining up that other track if you already had the track under it lined up correctly?
I'm just doing this so show people from scratch how I would line up the break markers.
@@groovining yeah but from scratch people wouldn’t have that reference track. so you have to show them how you line it up from scratch. All you did was line up markers to a perfect reference track.
I guess it’s fine. you’re just quantizing to the grid. It just looks weird because the reference track is right there
Behold the mystical break scroll 😂
Haha, I did go a bit over the top on this one! 😂
god damn. so good it's almost unbearable !
Cheers Keith! Nice to see hear from you again. Was a fun one to make!✌️
Thanks
Thanks for the vid! Can you, plz, compare Ableton and Renoise?
Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed it! I actually have barely touched Ableton so as much as i'd love to, i'm probably not the right person for the job. There are definitly some similarities with how Drum Racks work in Ableton and the sampler/modulations tab in Renoise. I think if you understand Ableton, you'd have no problem switching over to Renoise. :)
I’ve used both a fair bit by now. Any particular questions? They’re fairly different in sequencing (tracker vs. clips) but there’s plenty of similarities too. One thing that Ableton does really well is allowing a user to group anything and everything, then process groups separately.
Great vid as always... wish you used Ableton instead of Logic though :)
Haha, I know Ableton is great and it has a massive audience but I started on Logic. I think about it but its such a waste of time for me to switch things up now and Logic X is pretty great for SFX, Sound Design. I'd be better off getting an Octatrack and spend a year mastering that! 👀 :)
@@groovining Very good point and a lot of these techniques should be translatable to other DAWs anyway... top notch vids mate... really inspired me to fire up Renoise more often :)
your videos sold me on renoise, but your paid macro instrument being the "secret technique" is a bit weak ngl
These vids are up here for free no?
@@groovining yes, and I really appreciate it. It just caught me off guard I guess. In retrospect I have no Business to yap about a self-plug after hours of free Info 😅
@@Nezzrac haha thanks mate. It’s all good I get it for sure. I try my best to be as tasteful as possible with the promo stuff. Glad you’ve been enjoying Renoise anyways, got some more cool techniques coming soon in my new vid. Cheers 😊
Yeah big up man!
Big ups to you too mate. Renoise crew!! ✌️
Excellent stuff
Cheers friend! :)
really good
Thanks for the comment hintergarden! glad you enjoyed the vid! :)
U make great tunes. Maybe make a album and get it out there. Not sure u have found your sound yet but still, they are good
It would be amazing to get an album out. I actually agree with you, I still don't love my tracks. I put a huge amount of my free time into the UA-cam vids so I only get to work on actual music every few weeks or so. Finding the balance is hard but I've learnt a huge amount myself from the Photek, Paradox & Source Direct series that I can't wait to put into practise. Cheers mate ✌️🥷
Which Renoise version are you on? I'm trying this on Renoise 3.4 and copying from the phrase editor seems to quantize all the notes. This sounds not good of course.
Ah, didn't have the delay column open, so the timings were not copied.
Yes open the delay column you should be all good :)✌@@MultiMeschi
@@groovining Thanks for the quick answer. At 2:58 you show how to do the trick with slices to phrase. I use this on a loop that is repitched with beatsync, but when I slice the sample to the phrase the slices play at the original speed. To fix this I had to click the "T" to copy the beatsync options to the transpose, then it works, but only by pitching the sample. It's important to do this before placing the slices. Is there a way to "freeze" or resample on the fly inside renoise?
Is it possible to assign the pitch macro to a "Repitch" algorithm? With your technique it changes the speed of the samples, too right? Pitching it really high makes more compressed samples pretty choppy and the decay macro is not coupled to the pitch, which influences the playback length.
I found mapping pitch from -1 to 1 and decay from 304ms to 64ms at the same time worked pretty good to mitigate this problem on my break that I pitched to 140BPM.
Thanks very much for your channel, it's been a really great resource for me :)
If you've already sliced the break and then hit beatsync only the top reference file is transposed. What you need to do is hit 'T' and then turn off beatsync. Then copy the transpose and finetune values to all of the slices of the break.
To resample on the fly in Renoise right-click in the pattern editor - Track - Render to sample. I've mapped this to a hotkey.
The Gate To Tempo technique we're talking about here is actually really cool as you don't need to repitch the break to get it to warp to your tempo. It cuts off the ends of the hits to make them fit.
What's even cooler is you can assign a macro to pitch and decay and play with them both live. You can pitch the break +/- or change your BPM and the break will still fit perfectly. This allows you to choose whether you want your break at its original pitch or sped up without having to time-stretch it.
You correct that when you pitch up samples they also speed up. This in turn pushes their frequencies higher and makes them more snappy in the case of drums.
The choppiness does not actually come from compression. It's due to the decay of the samples not being long enough. The hits have been sped up so much that there is now silence in between the hits. :)
Glad you're enjoying the channel! 😊✌
@@MultiMeschi
I have been listening to this music for a long time but have only recently started producing it. I've worked with ableton and logic for years (mainly making house and synthwave) and would often find myself listening to old jungle tracks and thinking about "how I would do it/what a good workflow would look like" in either of those DAWs and the answers was always some combination of IDK + lots of layering and automation.Yesterday, I watched this video and your "Amen Breaks: The Secret to it All" video, downloaded a demo of renoise, and started messing around with it and rather enjoyed it. Today, I was driving to my mom's house to take her to lunch and I was listening to Hard Drive's Original Rude Boy Tune and thinking about the way you were doing drum replacement and effects (plus the whole tracker work flow) with renoise and it all kind of clicked. Thank you so much.
Thanks for the comment Stephen! I'm so happy I've inspired you to pick up Renoise. I also came over from Logic X but am obsessed now i've got into Renoise. For drums especially its really incredible. All those hit replacement tricks and Sample Commands make working with breaks super fun. Its also amazingly creative. Such a great tool to use on its own or even combine with the DAWs you already know really well. :)✌️🥷
Wow I have been producing jungle for a few years now and I'm still learning new stuff, you're a legend, thanks for the videos, will be watching you closely
All good friend. Thanks for all the comments, glad you've been enjoying the vids. Loads more to come this year! :)
Really Impressive! Congrats, You did it again!
Keep the flow, this is an amazing content.
Hugz!😉
Thanks my man! Was nice to wrap up all the Drum Break tricks I've been working with lately. Have so many cool ideas coming up, can't wait to get it all out there! Keep well mate 😀
Okay, the break swapping technique is awesome! There's so much stuff inside Renoise that I still haven't gotten around to using. Except phrases, I've definitely tried to use phrases and I must be missing the point. The way you've used them here is cool, but otherwise they seem kind of not worth the trouble. I feel like they were just pasted into the full version of Renoise after they were made for Redux.
Thanks mate. Lots of fun to be had with break swapping in Renoise! I largely agree about phrases but I do find cool ways to use them every now and again. You can actually send program messages to Renoise to change the current phrase. This can lead to loads more phrase swapping techniques. I also love using them to create FXs. Even still. I work almost entirely in the pattern editor. Mainly because the tools work in there and you can also step automate plugins. Happy New Years!
Lol love the little 90’s esque transitions. That gated technique was really neat, I’d been wondering how to get a tight volume envelope on all those hits while keeping tempo and on the beat. Of course Renoise provides a way, never messed with the phrase editor much.
So many great techniques were discovered in that era! Lot's of them have gotten a little lost over time so i'm constantly looking back, trying to find cool things for the channel. The gated technique is great. Oboviously you can use a transient shaper but it's never as good as using decay like that. Yes, that's what I love about Renoise, eveything is possible there even if its not obovious at first. ✌️
I totally .missed Trackers and started with the 1st FL demo back in the day so sometimes I get a wee bit lost but you have so many great ideas and, more importantly explain it brilliantly. Thanks mate.
Thanks so much for the comment! I actually did something quite similar and started on Logic before eventually finding my way to trackers. I think in some ways it helps to be able to visualise things in a timeline based DAW like FL before you step into Renoise.
All these techniques can of course be applied in other DAWs but there's something about the tracker workflow that makes them so fun and easy to apply here. Merry Christmas mate :) 🎄
Thanks for putting so much effort into your videos! They are top tier, super helpful!
Thanks for the comment Jake! I'm just trying to do something a little different, make learning about music more interesting than following someone clicking around in a DAW! I also really enjoy getting creative with the themes! 🧭
Bro I learnt heaps in 20 odd minutes. That was great, thanks!
Pleasure my man, thanks for the comment. Glad you got so much out the video! ✌️
Your edits are some of the funniest stuff on youtube, daps for all the knowledge
Haha, glad you enjoy them mate! They make me laugh when I'm making them 2.😀
lol worth the wait for sure! cheers M8. so many useful tips.
Thanks man, they do take me a while to make (100+ hours) so i'm definitly going for quality over quantity at the moment! ✌️
Dude, this is great. Thank you!
Thanks bro, Glad you enjoyed it! :)
Great vids
In addtion to the mono long gated break option you could still slice to phrase and do the following options create mutliple phrases/edits and:
1 Use the Zxx to trigger each phrase
2 Use the Sxx command to change the startpoint of the phrase (if you are using Dec instead of Hex for Line Numbering some things may not seem logical e.g S10 in the main pattern = line 16 in phrase)
3 Use Keymap in Phrase Editor and then you can replicate the old school way e.g. "C-400" = Phrase 01 , "C#300" Phrase 02 and so on
Using Option 3 allows you to port the break into other DAWs via Redux
Thanks Larson, Lots of good info here! The Phrase editor can be a little intimidating when you first start using Renoise but there are actually some really cool things you can do with it! I also love the time-stretching FX technique I went over in a vid a while back. The keymap stuff is super cool, especially as you can save it all away and use it in redux like you said! ✌
@@grooviningI hadn't seen the video from last year on phrases, so sorry about teaching you to suck eggs and that. Keep doing the vids :)
dude what a fire video. huge respect!!
Thanks Will! Was a fun one to make! Glad you enjoyed it so much. :)
Thanks for another great video!
Cheers Skidex, Thanks for all the comments mate. Another fun one!✌️
Great video! Some excellent techniques outlined here. I really like the method that you show of chopping the render/break and processing slices in the modulation section. Going to experiment with this some tomorrow 👍 Good stuff, mate!
Edit: today is tomorrow, fucked with it, it's dope! Can't believe it's taken me this long to render slices to phrase... Very very useful :)
Hey MrZenshphere, nice to hear from you mate. Yea that technique is a lot of fun. You can get amazing results for other genres as well pitching down Hip-Hop breaks etc. So much potential I'm sure you'll dive right into! Adding FXs per slice in the instruments tab can get super crazy.
This technique actually works amazingly for chopping records as well. J Dilla used to do this a bit. If you chop directly on the kick and snares of a 4x4 beat, you can start to pitch around the slices but as the kick/snare are always at the start of the chops, they stay in time with your own drums!✌
@@groovining yes, definitely getting some good mileage already using this technique! I'm heavy into resampling, so rendering slices to phrase opens up a LOT of possibilities. Will likely share some interesting results in a future video. Long live renoise! 🤘
@@MrZensphere Nice man, I liked your track on the Renoise forums! very cool stuff :) I'm obsessed with resampling as well. Once you get your head around it, it opens up so many doors and possibilities. Look forwards to the vid. Renoise is life!✌
@@groovining yeah, buddy! I'm always impressed at the power of destructive workflows, and renoise is a great tool in this regard. Thanks for the listen, and glad if you found something to enjoy in it 🤘👽✨
This is gold use of Renoise
Cheers brother. Was fun to make this one! Got a lot of my best techniques in here ✌️🥷
sick as always dood!!!!!!!! cant wait to dive into this
Thanks bro, It's a fun one. I might have gone a little overboard with the animatons but I quite enjoy giving the giving the videos a bit of a theme! I'm trying to veer away as far away as possible from someone simply clicking around in a DAW whilst screen recording!✌️
@@groovining quite like the animations actually. breaks up the vid nicely. As usual you've given me some great ideas to implement in the hardware samplers ;) thx!!!