Nucamp Coding Bootcamp Review - An Affordable Coding Bootcamp For Working Professionals
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I invited a few graduates on to talk about their experience at Nucamp. At less than $2000, this coding bootcamp is probably the cheapest coding bootcamp that I've reviewed so far. The target audience definitely seems to be focused on working professionals that are looking for a low-cost entry into the software engineering industry. Towards the end, you'll also get to hear me go off on a rant and squash bad advice that came from a huge personality in the developer community. Don't ever be afraid to make a mistake as a developer. Just don't make the same mistake twice.. Enjoy!
Questions/Topics:
0:00 - Intros
5:22 - What’d you think of the application process?
10:02 - Amount of time you should expect to spend per week during this program
12:10 - What’d you think of the curriculum?
16:29 - This bootcamp does not teach you enough. You will need to supplement with additional learning
22:01 - What’d you think of the instructors?
27:45 - Was there pair programming?
28:28 - How many portfolio projects did you end up with by the end?
31:18 - When you graduated, how well prepared did you feel like you were to get a professional developer position?
42:44 - Once you graduated, what type of assistance did they offer during your job search?
48:57 - Are all of their instructors full-time developers?
53:00 - Don’t EVER take on this unnecessary mindset/burden! (I went off on a rant)
1:04:29 - What could they improve?
1:10:55 - Final piece of advice for aspiring developers
1:14:16 - Outros
Guests:
Krystal Adeoye - / krystaladeoye2411
Blaine Young - / blaineyoung137
Jeremy Rapp - / jeremyrapp
I'm really liking your work. There are so many bootcamps, I feel like I've found a lighthouse in the fog watching your videos. Thank you.
You're welcome!
Great talk this one. Particularly the last third, I really found Don's replies insightful and nicely articulate. The three students propelled the conversation pragmatically and for me this was the best yet. Thanks Don for creating this forum!
This is great! Exactly what I needed to decided whether the course was right for me at this moment. Thank you all!!
I'm glad it helped you make that decision. Good luck Andrea.
Man your a BORN teacher. Not blowing smoke at all. Your good good. Keep going!
Thanks!
Thank you for this video! I am taking the Nucamp 4-week fundamentals course, so it was great to have all of this insight and now I have a better understanding on what to expect. Keep the content coming. :)
You're welcome. Good luck with the program!
how was it?
And by the way Don, you’re videos are by FAR my absolute favorites on UA-cam! I just appreciate you for the work you put into these podcast episodes. You’re a life saver 🥰👋🏽
Thanks so much! I'm glad they've been really helpful for you.
Excellent & thorough discussion about this, Nucamp, bootcamp. Discussed the good parts and parts that were not as good. Well moderated.
Thank you
Don your videos are real with no BS. I just subscribed, keep it up..
Thanks Kerry. Welcome to the community.
Really appreciate the reviews! I've decided to go with Nucamp, it definitely helps knowing some of the shortcomings ahead of time so I can prepare and know what to expect from the overall experience. I've done a little bit of learning on my own, but I really want something part time so I can keep my job. Given the price and schedule of the nucamp program, I don't mind supplementing things during and after the program on my own.
If that's the mindset you're going into Nucamp with, I think you're going to do really well. Thanks for the support. Keep me updating with how it goes!
Keith can you give us an update.
How is it while still keeping your job?
As someone who has been through a bootcamp and decided to go back in after it didn’t work out I’m glad I found this video in order to make sure I’m properly prepared this time.
That's awesome to hear. I'm glad you gave it another try.
Thank you so much for this! I needed this deep dive into the program. I'm going to sign up
You're welcome
How'd it go?
Another great video Don! 👍 I’m sure these videos will help out so many people, keep up the good work. Can’t wait for a video on Codesmith as well as Rithm School, hope it happens 🙏
Thanks Ronald. I hope you're doing well. I checked on those, and neither has an education profile on Linkedin with an alumni section. That's one of the main ways I'm able to vet people and reach out to them. If you'd like to reach out to them and get me access to any alumni groups either have formed, I might be able to do an episode on one of them.
@@DonTheDeveloper really? I just checked I think rithm school has an alumni page on linkin, I think there alumni list is quite small since they have no more than 16 people per cohort and I think there is only a new cohort every 8 weeks or so
@@DonTheDeveloper as for Codesmith you’re right I don’t see an alumni tab
@@ronpaek100 Ahh you're right. I might let them grow a little bit more before I look more into them. I'll keep them in mind for 2021. If you do ever notice that Codesmith shares their alumni, feel free to let me know.
I signed up for Nucamp yesteday. I'm so glad to see this video. It's helpful to see if I should change my mind or not.
I'm glad it helped! Good luck with the program.
Loved it!
Thank you! This was very insightful!
You're welcome!
I'm taking a couple fundamental courses on HTML, CSS, and Javascript for 2 months before enrolling in nucamp. I want to make sure i'm ready for the advanced stuff.
@@xgivemedatnekk2605 I found them on Udemy and UA-cam. It all comes down to experimentation. Test some out and find out which teachers you like the best. I have another youtube channel "The Loner Coder" where I go over it.
How did it go?
I start NuCamp next month (June 20th, 2022), and thanks to this video and the experiences of these fine people, I decided to do a couple of udemy courses before I start bootcamp... I'm doing a base Javascript course and I will also be doing React and a couple of others before the next course starts (front end dev)... I think this is incredibly valuable and knowing what to expect ahead of time, especially knowing that this bootcamp isn't meant to be a fully immersive is golden. I will supplement on my own while going to bootcamp and take a couple of months after to build a solid portfolio and hopefully land a job next Spring... fingers crossed!
Good luck Leo!
I’m actually considering this boot camp to start off. And I’m a person who likes the best of the best when it comes to education
You end up doing it?
@@JoeCnNd not yet. ive been teaching myself honesty. but im still leaning towards doing it once i get down the basics of javascript
@@MysticGoddess0728 yeah teaching myself through codecademy but I screwed something up and can't get css to work with my html. Lol
Could you review Springboard Software Engineering program please?(: Btw I love your vids.
I actually had planned to look into Springboard after a previous suggestion. I'll check it out after Christmas and consider it for January. Thanks Vale!
I just signed up for the Web Fundamentals course and am planning on going on to Front End. I'm hoping for the best.
Good luck Eric!
How did it go?
I signed up for the fundamentals course. Doing Treehouse beforehand. Learned a lot here. Ease up on the ads please.
There are several episodes that still have automatic ad placements. I need to find time to go through the remaining episodes and customize the placements.
I've watched a few of these from this channel, and I always feel like the "Do you believe you are industry ready?" questions could be much better answered by a Q&A session, where the guests specific real-world software engineering questions like "What is SHA256? Why do we use, and especially over, say, MD5?", "Given this SQL schema, and these items you need, what query could you write to get them? Are there any indexing solutions you could add to speed up the query?", "Given this set of requirements, what system architecture do you believe would be best suited for this project?", "What is Agile development? How does a sprint work?", "What is a Hash-map? When should it be used instead of a list/array of tuples?", etc.
Yeah I agree with you. Testing their knowledge will be more fruitful in assessing their technical level. There are a couple of challenges to that, that prevent me from doing that.
1) Most of the questions you listed are backend focused. When we're assessing technical knowledge of graduates that graduate a "fullstack" program, the questions I should be asking could vary so widely depending on what types of developer positions they were aiming for.
2) It was very hard to find a volunteer that felt comfortable enough being tested in my mock interview video. Expecting people to be willing to be vulnerable like that knowing that their appearance (which would basically turn into an interview) would be available for the world to see, for the rest of their life, is a BIG ask. It would exclude so many potential guests, that it's not even close to being worth it. I could see the only people (mostly) willing to do that are going to be people with a lot of confidence, and that have probably have excelled in the program, which doesn't best represent what the average student will be capable of.
The open ended question allows them to open up with a wider range of answers that ultimately also show how confident the program has helped them become. Imposter syndrome is often exposed with this question and that's a good thing. It shows other aspiring developers that they aren't the only ones feeling not so confident with the job search. They're not alone.
If you have any suggestions that help alleviate those concerns and that also will attract the less prepared students that graduate, feel free to let me know what you come up with.
Starting nucamp next week and I have to say this helped a lot between me being nervous and wondering if I am good enough 😅
Glad it helped!
Did you start?
@@helovesdata8483 yes I did 4th week in
@@seanzy2747 I'm considering it. Hope you're doing well bro
how is your experience so far?
From what we've heard in this video - and the latest interview you did with Ludo, there are a few things that students could do to fill in any gaps:
(4) As soon as version control starts to make sense, start using it. Just use the tools 1 by 1 as they become useful and they'll have a special meaning. Try git Tower or another visual app to make it more fun.
and learn about basic typography and color... instead of just "being a dev" and leaving that to the "visual designers." You are a designer too.
(5) How to get a job: This whole process up above - is the path to getting your job. Think about what industries you want to work in. Think about what you like. Is it fishing? Painting? Traveling? Video games? Start getting an idea of what role you like (front-end/ animations /devOps / building apis... whatever). Make each of your little projects about that passion. They really are hiring YOU - the person. Typing the code is great, but you are the person they will be working with.
(6) Choose your job: Find something you're passionate about. Choose the job you want. Make the projects that will prove your skill and enthusiasm for that job. Then - go meet some of the employees and ask them what they are looking for. Get organized and then go tell them you are ready to start. Make it fun.
(8) Be social: Pair program a lot. Talk about your work. Share ideas and struggles. Get a group of coding buddies. Get a Slack or Discord group. Be open and honest about learning - because it's not going to stop. It's a lifestyle.
(not sure where the other list items we wrote went! Go Google!)
All bootcamps are like this, my husband did a Bootcamp with the UNF and FullStack and they where so fast into things that he doesn't know clearly React and they didn't study react like really deep. They didn't study react native. And he paid like $15.000 USD So, after my husband's experience I started learning the fundamentals of JS by myself and then I decided to join NuCamp and I'm very conscious that I should complement my learning from the bootcamp because I already have a bachelor's degree that I got throught studying online. So I'm very use to this learning style but I know it's not for everyone.
How'd Nucamp go?
@@gsabella4 It was great. I was always supported by the instructors and Nucamp community in Slack and during the workshops. The instructors are people with tons of experience programming and working in the tech industry. However, there are things that you should do by yourself because some topics are so broad that you just learn part of it. So, you should dedicate time to go over things in deep like in other bootcamps. This year Nucamp also upgraded its React and React Native courses from the front-end and full-stack bootcamps. Which was a major update to this courses since 2018 I think. So, it was for me a good experience.
I don't want to lose 1700. I'm in it to win!
im considering nucamp. ive been learning python for 2 yrs already. dont know if it will lead to a full time job coding. i want to develop my own apps.
I am a absolute beginner in coding or software development I am debating giving this bootcamp a go. Thanks for the awesome information. I am worried about the whole learning Javascript thing. Like if I should find some class to take on there before starting this bootcamp.
I believe they gave some suggestions for specific courses. Did you get a chance to watch the whole thing?
@@DonTheDeveloper yeah they mentioned an JavaScript fundamental course. Thanks
@@chenchaso39 No problem. I'd also suggest reading and being comfortable with the first 4 chapters of Eloquent JavaScript.
@@DonTheDeveloper I appreciate that thank you
So is nucamp worth it? I was thinking on doing the frontend dev.
Krystal Adeoye talked about taking a web development fundamentals course because she came in with little to no skills - was that from Nucamp, or are there other options? Thanks.
Yes, it’s from Nucamp.
There’s a typo in your timeline list for how many hours you should expect (: love the videos I’m looking into choosing a boot camp very soon! Like January 2021 soon so these are helpful
I'm glad they're helpful for you. Best of luck in finding the right one for you!
@@DonTheDeveloper any chance of getting future interviewees to talk about financing more? I’m already in debt from pilot school so I can’t splurge 40k for another career
I don’t believe there is a typo. The verb expend means to spend or use up.
@@JD-nq6se If so, maybe take out "to spend" cause that might be redundant? I mean this in a thoughtful way not to be cynical.
@@DonTheDeveloper Actually, I thought maybe it might be insightful to gather some people who deferred/decided the coding bootcamp wasn't for them. I know that's gonna be hard to find but it would give a fair assessment. (:
I’m in the web developer boot camp then transitioning into full stack. The voiceover woman 😱😱🥴🥴 will she remain in the other courses too. I want to pull my hair out. 🥴🥴
i started the nucamp full stack like 4 weeks ago. And so far yeah, a lot of bootstrap 😅
Yeah. At least now you know to supplement your CSS knowledge.
@@DonTheDeveloper true true
Hey Don, what do you think about The odin Project?
I haven't done a review on that one yet. You're welcome to request a review though. The link to the form is in this video's description.
Where is this meetup? I'm in the Chicago land area and you have said in previous videos that you also live in Chicago. Is it in person or online? I went to your website and I did not find anything about a Meetup.
I haven't hosted a meetup since February and the last one was online. I'm still deciding what I want to do with the Meetup.
I might start soon
Good luck!
Cyber security or coding?
Thank god for this video, I almost paid 18,000 for the flatiron school.
Glad it helped!
Can you do a review on Shecodes ?
I'm not finding an alumni group on Linkedin (which is how I'd normally find people to invite). If you find a public alumni group for them, let me know and I'll look into it.
@@DonTheDeveloper Sure. Thanks!
Could you please get another nucamp review? I need more information before joining.
Can you elaborate on "more information"?
@@DonTheDeveloper I want to see the likelihood of graduates getting dev jobs. Considering joining, but only heard negative things so far post-grad.
@@tallgeese9715 That's fair. It's a common thing I've heard from other graduates. Thanks for the suggestion. I'll keep it in mind.
Do you have any suggestions on how to get Javascript fundamentals down? Is there a book or something that you can recommend for beginners?
2 books I'd recommend are Eloquent JavaScript and You Don't Know JS.
Yes the complete JavaScript on Udemy
I signed up for python boot camp today
Me too. Can't wait!
I am looking to sign up for the python camp starting in October. How is the camp going for the two of you so far?
@@DeterminedDev It’s going good I will says it’s nice but the downside there is not much live in class coding but I will say is if your stuck they will help you so to get the best bang for your buck is ask a lot of questions to help give yourself confirmation on what your learning
how was it?
I just started the nucamp full stack course this week, but this review has made me realize that it isn't that good of a program. The people you interviewed did not seem like they were job ready, not to disparage them but its more like an intro course rather than comprehensive course.
I don't think any of them would take it personally. That's the interesting part of bringing several graduates together where they can speak freely. I think they helped each other realize that supplementation of education is necessary for this particular coding bootcamp. I'm glad to hear that you found some insight from this video. If you're looking for a coding bootcamp that'll get you job ready and competitive in the entry level market, I would expect to pay $10,000 to $20,000. Good luck in choosing another coding bootcamp if that's what you decide to do. Hopefully the other reviews on this channel will help you choose one.
I am starting the web dev fundamentals course next week (4week course) and then was planning on doing full stack. I felt the same way as far as the graduates not feeling job ready. Makes me feel like I should stick to Udemy, but I am still going to give Nucamp a shot and hopefully get something out of it
@@jenndelgado85 The fundamentals course should also help give you more perspective into what your strategy should be, going into the coding bootcamp. If I were going through Nucamp, I personally would take advantage of the fact that it's part-time, and supplement my learning from other sources to make it a full-time venture for me. If you have other responsibilities that prevent you from investing more time into your learning, it might be more realistic to spend 3 months at Nucamp, let them teach you how to learn how to code, and use the following 3 months to reinforce what you learned and continue getting more comfortable with the technologies. This isn't a slight against Nucamp. To be honest, even at coding bootcamps that I'd consider to be top tier, I wouldn't trust them to get anyone all the way to job ready with a part time program only lasting 3 months. If you're going to go through with it, take advantage of the low price and just make sure you supplement your knowledge and invest extra time into building out personal projects.
@@DonTheDeveloper agreed! No offense at all about not being job ready right after grad. That was my experience which may not be representative of most. It led me to think though. This Nucamp review is unique in that none of interviewees had jobs (yet), which may not reflect a representative experience for other Nucamp grads. What are your thoughts are doing another Nucamp review with people who have actually obtained developer jobs? I think that would provide a more balanced perspective/ would be helpful for those considering the program to have a well-rounded perspective.
@@krystaladeoye2911 I understand your concern, but I have to be careful about specifically selecting certain individuals and filtering out others. On average, I think a random sample statistically provides a much more accurate representation of coding bootcamps vs my own biased picks, which is exactly what they would be if I did this. Balancing based on job placement, and forcing a perceived healthy balance won't actually make it more representative of the majority. One thing that I can tell you is that out of the people I did screen and even reach out to, your experiences weren't as unique as you may think they are. I've interviewed and mentored over 1000 coding bootcamp graduates, and what was mentioned was pretty typical of coding bootcamps similar to Nucamp.
Even if this review might be representative, sometimes it can still be hard to look back on an interview and wonder if you were too critical of it and I can empathize with that. If I'm wrong about your mindset, you can ignore this. If this hits home even a little bit, I have a couple of reassurances for you.
1) Almost every coding bootcamp has seen one of my reviews on them. I've had previous videos with much more critical views, and NO staff from any coding bootcamp has ever reached out to me in frustration. They have always thanked me for the deep dive and appreciated the feedback and constructive criticism this gave them.
2) The CEO of Nucamp reached out to me and really seemed to appreciate this video. It sounds like he really understood certain tradeoffs he had made with decisions about the bootcamp, and he appreciated the in-depth review of it.
3) Ultimately, this will bring Nucamp more signups. The difference is that if they saw this video, they now can have more realistic expectations of what they will get out of it. Dissatisfaction with coding bootcamps often is a result of mismanaged expectations. I think if someone takes this review seriously, and comes up with a plan to supplement their knowledge on top of this very affordable coding bootcamp, they are going to be very successful in finding their first developer position.
The guy complaining about Android Studio projects in one of his courses……..oof! Yeah it blows, especially on low-end machines. Terrible resource hog and glitchy as hell at certain points. I was so sure I was going to fell that Android Studio Dev course I took back in college. Miracles took place. 😂
😏 This video is 10 years late in my life
Uncle Bob is not taken seriously by senior software developers who have reviewed his "clean code" material so don't take his advice as gospel.
Haha interesting. Thanks for sharing.
I definitely don't want do go there