@@SurprisedBambooForest-ku4jia competent coach!? Keef got neutered for benching baby Mitch so was he really ever able to fully coach him? Besides, there's absolutely no accountability from Marner so how is a coach going to change him as a player? He's a coward of a hockey player with a huge ego. Good luck with that
Finally well said Steve. What we've been saying and seeing for years. And it still won't likely change...AGAIN! Marner is NO Kadri. And he will NEVER thrive in the playoffs. NEVER!
@@Ben.Mangels It's been 8 years. It's very true. He's not even a point a game player in playoffs. For a player that's being paid as if he is elite, he should be that much better in the playoffs and carrying the team. And year after year after year, he has not done it. Same with Matthews and Nylander. But as long as they're all making over $10M a year, it's all good. No need for a top pairing d-man or an elite goalie.
If they go into this season with Marner still on the roster, there needs to be a fan revolt to force a change. I just don't know if Leafs fans that still pay high ticket prices care enough to actually make a difference.
I keep thinking about the Pastrnak OT winner and how Marner and Reily were so out of position. It sums up what has to be done. Running it back makes no sense
@@FoxentailsExcept they have one second round game win in 6 years with this core four (8 if you include before JT) and one loss to an AHL Zamboni driver who works for them in that same time. There is no "Win when they don't expect it" with this group. This group is 1st round exit upside year in and year out. They aren't good enough. No amount of immature defenses of the roster changes that.
It's like Steve says, running it back makes perfect corporate, soul-less, AI-level sense. The team is profitable, so keeping it the same is a win for the corporation that benefits from that profit.
You guys just don't get it! They don't have to win the Marner trade. They can trade him for picks and it is irrelevant! Boston lost the Joe Thornton trade on paper, but the cap space they freed up allowed them to sign their juggernaut captain, Zdeno Chara, who brought them a cup! The cap space Mitch frees up can allow Toronto to go get a Norris caliber defenseman, which is what they need. Sorry, Morgan Rielly is not it!
I am a big fan of marner and I own his jersey. BUT Marner played an important role during the Knights' 2016 playoff run, resulting in the team winning the OHL Championship. He led the playoffs in scoring and with 44 points in 18 games and was awarded the Wayne Gretzky 99 Award as playoff MVP. Marner helped lead the Knights in winning the 2016 Memorial Cup. That’s what the article states but funny enough max Domi was captain of that team and they won. Now after the 23/24 playoffs who would you say is worth it? 1 year 3mil for Domi or marner making 10.9mil a year?
Berube was brought in to make Marner a playoff performer. Marner will score well over 100 points in the regular season and will find a team willing to pay him 11+ for multiple years as the rising cap will bring more 10+ salaries. (It may be Toronto) There is no possible way the Leafs get players for Marner that allows them to say they won the trade. The free cap space is the "win".
The Leafs organization is simply not serious about contending. That's the bottom line. Their sole focus is hanging on to all their beloved Core 4 players and having good regular seasons. They don't care if they're soft. They want their Core to be comfortable. Who cares if they don't raise their level in the playoffs when you get 60+ goals from Matthews and almost 100 points from Marner in the regular season? That's this team's Stanley Cup. It's pathetic. All the while, Edmonton is showing them how it's done with their elite players raising their games to get them to finals.
Marnee would do great in a southern US team like Tampa or Nashville. I feel he would be a great floor raiser and could be more easily shelterrd both on and off the ice as those teams are loaded full of defensively responsible forwards.
If Marner says he isn't waiving his no move no matter what, fine. What I'm pissed off about is that (if this report is correct) management isn't even wanting to try to have the conversations with him
@johnsummerhill8323 Because of a number of factors. They NEED to make a change. He is the most viable and valuable piece to move. Marner isn't happy and needs a fresh start to win and thrive elsewhere. The team needs more pieces for balance.
Completely agree with Steve. They clearly indicated big changes are coming. Coaching style coming in is a good bellwether with type of player signed/retained.
What do you mean it's near impossible to trade a player who: 1. Cannot play to level of his contract in tight-checking style games (i.e. the playoffs)... 2. Has a contract signed by a GM & a team President who had a great idea BEFORE Covid hit, but then they refused to adjust when it became evident that the ''sign long-term to keep talent'' strategy didn't work... 3. Has a NTC and is salivating the chance to test free-agency after another full season of playing with Matthews, Nylander and/or Tavares for the bulk of this season... 4. Has no intention of ''doing a favour'' for Toronto by waiving his NTC in a contract season!
Marner staying is like Treleving saying he learned nothing from the Gaudreau situation in Calgary. Dangle's Shanahan artificial intelligence comment was so accurate. Adam Wylde going on about the money Shanahan and Treleving make is a completely pointless but if anything Adam, Shanahan would stay. Ownership would view firing him and paying him to sit at home as a waste of resource.
Even if the Leafs let Marner walk, it's a good move for the Leafs. Getting that kind of cap relief will ultimately help. Obviously, it's better to get a return but letting him walk instead of re-signing him for another $11m is a plus.
You gotta love an organization choosing not to trade him because they "fear he will thrive" somewhere else. That's some "if I can't have her nobody can" level logic. Sure, he's not working out here, but we're damn sure not going to let him work out somewhere else.
Every team needs a grinder on the top line. Bozak, Kadri, Bunting, Hyman, Domi, Bertuzzi those have been our options. How many good key forwards has Toronto traded to win the cup? Domi and Bert we have now, they need to be resigned. Bunting should never have been traded. Domi and bertuzzi both took a while to get going but once they did that 1st line with Matthew’s Domi and bertuzzi was dangerous and it felt like a real playoff line.
This is the downside of having ownership be a corporate entity with initials. The Leafs are profitable right now. If they're profitable, why mess with the formula by trading away an asset? They fired the coach because fans don't care about a coach and that enables them to claim they did something. There are fans who love Mitch, so the profit-focuses analysis will tell them to keep him. And since the initials don't care if you win, they will keep him.
Leaf fans "they can't run it back again." Guess what....sure looks like it.....and Management will expect a different result....then be surprised when they poop the bed again
I think as soon as everyone found out Shanahan wasn't going anywhere, people should have realized that none of the Big Four were likely going anywhere and the Leafs were going to run it all back one more time. The real kicker comes when they try to resign Marner and Tavares to run it back again the season after next.
The actual serious question is this: Will trading Marner make the team better? And honestly, no I don't see many scenarios where that happens. You could spend that cap on 3 more players and all of them combined wouldn't give you the same value Mitch brings. Sure, trading him for an elite defenseman would potentially make the team better, but we don't live in an EA Sports Franchise Mode fairy tale.
OMG boys - fear, fear, fear - they need to focus on what they’re going to do - not Marner, or Hyman, or Kadri - on what the Leafs are going to do. Yes, they made a poor trade for Kadri, and even worse they let Hyman walk - so they need to be smarter with Marner, but they need to move ahead and be smarter - not get paralyzed
Hyman is benefiting from playing with two of the best players in the NHL, and not Marner and Mathews. Hyman was average at best here and nothing would have changed had he stayed. But you're spot on with the Kadri assessment.
The leafs are most likely only getting 0.80 cents on the dollar for a Marner trade. If they keep Marner and decide to trade him during the season his value diminishes more or they just lose him as a Ufa. Its a simple process that happens all the time.
Treliving has to make a deal for Marner because he can't risk having another one of his top players go to Free Agency like Johnny Gaudreau. If Marner doesn't get traded, he needs to sign him to a contract with an even greedier raise.
Why do we keep highlighting individual players in TEAM sports? That's what happened in AM34, when the team missed 70 goals. The coach kept highlighting individual players and promoting disruption. Let the new coach tune in for the new season.
Between the possibility of Marner simply saying no to a trade & the rest of the leagues unwillingness to invest 11mill in this player specifically. Toronto fan's likely need to get used to either losing him to free agency or getting a low ball offer for Marner. at least that is how I see this playing out
There is a good trade out there it's called cap space... u get rid of a good player puts up points great, but the management has to come to terms with the fact he's going to do well.somewhere else. The mix of.players and amount they all make does not work in Toronto. So u trade marner for 11 mill cap space to spend on 2 or 3 good to fill out the roster properly. That's the winning trade.
Beautiful...keep him...have a great regular season...and next spring we'll have yet ANOTHER laugh at this sad-sack team when they bow out...I can't wait. Your coach is the only gamer on this team (ok, and Matthew Knies).
I think the problem is he is paid to much. They won’t be able to shift him for the same value. And Marner can just say no. The leafs are likely stuck with him, I would also say “if you want to stay you are getting less”.
"Meet the new boss same as the old boss" This is one of the reasons the Leafs get laughed at incessantly and Adam seemed to like to agitate Steve - a little ingracious.
So the Shannaplan still in effect it seems. Predictable. Every year Leafs media and fans make a bunch of noise about major changes but they only make cosmetic changes.
Marner will be a Leaf. He will most likely be extended as JT's money will come off the books next year. For sure every team in the NHL is low balling the Leafs regarding a Marner trade because it's the Leafs. Give it up Steve, your dream of a Marner trade will not happen. I want to see what Berube can do with Mitch and the other top stars on the team.
"What does (insert employee) make versus a Chat GPT subscription?" is being asked in every board room right now (including probably the one down the hall from my office). Whatever, I'll take the buyout and sign for league min at Timmy's. Win a (roll up the rim) cup.
The only changes in Toronto next season will be the new coach and a few depth signings/trades. Maybe the Leafs will make it to the second round next season, probably not. Dangles will be chugging Pepto during his live streams by the all star break.
I've been saying it for years now, we shoulda kept Kadri instead of signing JT. Coulda rolled with Matthews and Kadri down the middle for all these years. Instead of paying 11 mil per for a second line center who has now become a very good 3C or 2LW. Dont get me wrong, i love JT, hes been great for us. A point per game pretty well his whole time in Toronto, but hes not 11 mil per season good, considering Kadri was a big part of that Cup winning Avs team and went to Calgary for like 7 Mil..
Once we calm down. It starts to make sense to wait one more year. Mitch in his contract year should be even better than most and Tavares comes off the books next year and we can deal with it than if need be. They missed out on selling high on Nylander.
@@Spike10111 He literally missed half the series.... seriously go watch previous seasons series.. Mitch is diving around blocking shots... killing penalties.. They should build around Marner and Matthews.... Dump Riley... wait out Tavares.. Everyone on here expecting a 1 year fix with a single trade lol. Riley for Zadorov was the trade they messed up last year.
If the Leafs are not willing to give him 8 years at the money he will be demanding, and the Leafs can't afford that, I can't see him staying. That 8th year will very crucial (at super big bucks) when he turns 35. Look through the trees and see the forrest.
A final look at the core 4,I wouldn’t mind the boys haven’t seen their prime yet,so I would like to see them play together again….if anybody needs to go I don’t know whom that would be ,but good luck 😁👍boys
So 1 of two things will happen. Either he'll sign a contract where he gets whatever he wants, or he'll walk next year in FA. Both of those situations will make this franchise look like idiots.
The Leafs should have traded Marner last year before the no trade clause kicked in. That would have been the smart move, but the Leafs choose to run it back yet again. They ran it back just to realize that it doesn't work again. If they run it back one more year, the Leafs will see it still doesn't work next April. The Leafs are rudderless, lost and confused. If they don't bite the bullet this summer, the Leafs need to fire the upper management, because they are unable to do the job.
I'm not a Mitch Marner ad advocate but he has more points than any of the big 4 in the playoffs he's a steady player l.Austin Matthews needed one goal in 3 games to hit the 70 Mark and in Mathews style, couldn't do it. and then he got a cold in the playoffs that's the guy you want to keep? Ok
It's fine if they keep him. If anything it is better too. They went to o.t. So close!!!! Bad play cost them the series. After this year J.T is gone or resigns for a fraction
Toronto should not move any of the core four. The coach and manager will be key this upcoming season. Build from the minors and see what happens with the inspiration factor from the new coach. Shanahan is the one who’s time should be up.
I promise you they will fail to get anyone to waive and they will then get Berube to do their dirty work and have him spin it like they want him to have a crack at this core.
Call me crazy. The most valuable thing for marner is cap space. If they cant dump him to Columbus for 0% retained they should let him walk. Which makes this year a loss. But if they can only find teams willing to take him with retention than whats the point. Paying 5 mil for no marner? Idk
@@ChaseSpec So what you think we should trade him? He has a FULL NO MOVE. He has made it clear he's not waiving his no trade so IMO either u bench him till he agrees to waive his no move which the Leafs arent going to do or u let him. Sweet Arceus its the Sundin situation all over agian. WHY THE HELL DO PLAYERS HAVE NO TRADE CLAUSES?? WHY THE HELL WOULD GMS AGREE TO THAT?
The Leafs NEED to be soulless, they need to be RUTHLESS and they need to ditch star players who dont perform.... I direct your attention to the Patriots......
Of course he's staying. He may not be worth all his contract dollars, but he's worth most of it. Tavares - he's a bottom 6 making 11 million. Tavares is the problem with the Leafs salary structure.
More often than not the end up moving. In this video Kadri had it and used it and still got flipped. He has the right to say no and we should respect it but it's not a guarantee
I suspect AI might notice that the Leafs won more 2024 playoff games (2) with Matthews out of the lineup... Maybe Matthews is the guy that needs to be traded. :P
It's their own fault. They had two positions they could have taken to move away from the big 4 last year. It's what Dubas said he wanted to do in the off season and they fired him. Now they are having second thoughts and want to do it and they literally can't. Super stupid.
Moronto media chased Kadri out of town so he could win a Cup so maybe the same thing is happening with Marner. So let’s trade a Career +110 guy and keep a D Man, Reilly with a Career -9.
Steve is acting completely delusional here. No the leafs dont have Rantanen, MacKinnon and Makar. But they do have Matthews, Nylander and Reilly. This is vastly different than the Kadri trade.
love how Adam plays devil on Steve's shoulder "I dont want to hear about this all year" "You will"
Marner will thrive, during the regular season, on the next team he plays for.
Marner will thrive with a competent coach
@@SurprisedBambooForest-ku4jia competent coach!? Keef got neutered for benching baby Mitch so was he really ever able to fully coach him? Besides, there's absolutely no accountability from Marner so how is a coach going to change him as a player? He's a coward of a hockey player with a huge ego. Good luck with that
Marner will thrive in a no contact league
@@codestar213Marner would be bullied in the PWHL.
Except it will be the Leafs.
Next year will be different guys, trust.
missing the /s
Been saying this for years lol
Source: trust me bro!
Got a good feeling changing nothing will work out this time
Bam Son
This has been going on for the 50+ years that i have been a fan.
As the circus clownshow continues.....
The coffee with Berube tells me that he will STAY
Maybe he was telling him he wants him on the 4th line
Finally well said Steve. What we've been saying and seeing for years. And it still won't likely change...AGAIN!
Marner is NO Kadri. And he will NEVER thrive in the playoffs. NEVER!
That could be true, but it might not.
@@Ben.Mangels It's been 8 years. It's very true. He's not even a point a game player in playoffs. For a player that's being paid as if he is elite, he should be that much better in the playoffs and carrying the team. And year after year after year, he has not done it. Same with Matthews and Nylander. But as long as they're all making over $10M a year, it's all good. No need for a top pairing d-man or an elite goalie.
Yet hes won before
I am pretty sure he will
How many teams evaluates Marner’s value somewhat closely to Toronto’s evaluation of him (the contract) ?
That’s the determining factor.
If they go into this season with Marner still on the roster, there needs to be a fan revolt to force a change. I just don't know if Leafs fans that still pay high ticket prices care enough to actually make a difference.
The fans that matter are aged 14 and under. They love the top players.
@@OotoriKyouya they'll make the team money once they're 18. you gotta get them while they're young. today's kids are tomorrow's customers!
I keep thinking about the Pastrnak OT winner and how Marner and Reily were so out of position. It sums up what has to be done. Running it back makes no sense
Then a team wins it when you least expect it...
@@FoxentailsExcept they have one second round game win in 6 years with this core four (8 if you include before JT) and one loss to an AHL Zamboni driver who works for them in that same time. There is no "Win when they don't expect it" with this group. This group is 1st round exit upside year in and year out. They aren't good enough. No amount of immature defenses of the roster changes that.
Marner could potentially when a cup with a team that has three rock crusher lines and one dainty power play or PK line
It's like Steve says, running it back makes perfect corporate, soul-less, AI-level sense. The team is profitable, so keeping it the same is a win for the corporation that benefits from that profit.
You better add Willy "oneway" Nylander to that list too because he's just as guilty of being out of place as the other two.
Dawg at this point i think the leafs have to move him. The situation is toxic.
No it isn't.
@@johnsummerhill8323 Yes it is.
@@Rain.34.89 Toxic is dumb UA-cam people thinking they know enough to run a team . Social media is not important to team management.
@@johnsummerhill8323 Mitch is incredibly insecure. He reads what’s said about him and it shows.
@@Rain.34.89So, you are either a mindreader or you sit with him and watch him read?
If the Golf 4 and Rielly all stay on TMl next year I will guarantee another early golf season!
You guys just don't get it! They don't have to win the Marner trade. They can trade him for picks and it is irrelevant! Boston lost the Joe Thornton trade on paper, but the cap space they freed up allowed them to sign their juggernaut captain, Zdeno Chara, who brought them a cup! The cap space Mitch frees up can allow Toronto to go get a Norris caliber defenseman, which is what they need. Sorry, Morgan Rielly is not it!
So what Norris caliber d man is available ?
👏👏👏👏 picks and prospects and throw in a player im good.
@@robertsonreid1173 NIKITA ZAITSEV!!
You don't get it. He dosen't get traded if he dosen't want to. Anyone who says diffrent just wants to stir up trade drama
Between you and these guys who don't get it, one of them is talking to insiders in the Leafs organization about what they plan to do... it's not you.
I am a big fan of marner and I own his jersey. BUT
Marner played an important role during the Knights' 2016 playoff run, resulting in the team winning the OHL Championship. He led the playoffs in scoring and with 44 points in 18 games and was awarded the Wayne Gretzky 99 Award as playoff MVP. Marner helped lead the Knights in winning the 2016 Memorial Cup.
That’s what the article states but funny enough max Domi was captain of that team and they won. Now after the 23/24 playoffs who would you say is worth it? 1 year 3mil for Domi or marner making 10.9mil a year?
I think they should move Nylander and Tavares and Rielly
Berube was brought in to make Marner a playoff performer. Marner will score well over 100 points in the regular season and will find a team willing to pay him 11+ for multiple years as the rising cap will bring more 10+ salaries. (It may be Toronto)
There is no possible way the Leafs get players for Marner that allows them to say they won the trade. The free cap space is the "win".
The Leafs organization is simply not serious about contending. That's the bottom line. Their sole focus is hanging on to all their beloved Core 4 players and having good regular seasons. They don't care if they're soft. They want their Core to be comfortable. Who cares if they don't raise their level in the playoffs when you get 60+ goals from Matthews and almost 100 points from Marner in the regular season? That's this team's Stanley Cup. It's pathetic.
All the while, Edmonton is showing them how it's done with their elite players raising their games to get them to finals.
The audible laugh out loud I did today listening to Adam say “you probably are “this still makes me laugh hours later.
Marnee would do great in a southern US team like Tampa or Nashville. I feel he would be a great floor raiser and could be more easily shelterrd both on and off the ice as those teams are loaded full of defensively responsible forwards.
If Marner says he isn't waiving his no move no matter what, fine. What I'm pissed off about is that (if this report is correct) management isn't even wanting to try to have the conversations with him
Why would they? He has been their most important player over the last 7 years.
@@johnsummerhill8323 LOL
@johnsummerhill8323 Because of a number of factors. They NEED to make a change. He is the most viable and valuable piece to move. Marner isn't happy and needs a fresh start to win and thrive elsewhere. The team needs more pieces for balance.
@@carnthecorby He wants to resign with the Leafs. You call that being unhappy?
@@johnsummerhill8323 He's been unhappy the whole season. Where's your source?
I love listening to amped up Steve. It would be great to hear that enthusiasm when you call a game.
If the Leafs keep the core 4 is there any reason to watch the playoffs next season?
yes just not reg season... then they lose in 1 rd. tradition!
Expectations go down, your phone bill goes up. Some of the truest words ever said.
Completely agree with Steve. They clearly indicated big changes are coming. Coaching style coming in is a good bellwether with type of player signed/retained.
Kadri had 75 points this year how is that underperforming?
Please run it back it would be hilarious!
“I’m not doing this”
“You probably are”
“I don’t wanna hear about this all year”
“You’ll be hearing about it”
I UGLY LAUGHED
What do you mean it's near impossible to trade a player who:
1. Cannot play to level of his contract in tight-checking style games (i.e. the playoffs)...
2. Has a contract signed by a GM & a team President who had a great idea BEFORE Covid hit, but then they refused to adjust when it became evident that the ''sign long-term to keep talent'' strategy didn't work...
3. Has a NTC and is salivating the chance to test free-agency after another full season of playing with Matthews, Nylander and/or Tavares for the bulk of this season...
4. Has no intention of ''doing a favour'' for Toronto by waiving his NTC in a contract season!
Marner does love the leafs, how would you guys feel if he took a huge discount? From a cats fan
Marner staying is like Treleving saying he learned nothing from the Gaudreau situation in Calgary. Dangle's Shanahan artificial intelligence comment was so accurate. Adam Wylde going on about the money Shanahan and Treleving make is a completely pointless but if anything Adam, Shanahan would stay. Ownership would view firing him and paying him to sit at home as a waste of resource.
Even if the Leafs let Marner walk, it's a good move for the Leafs. Getting that kind of cap relief will ultimately help. Obviously, it's better to get a return but letting him walk instead of re-signing him for another $11m is a plus.
You gotta love an organization choosing not to trade him because they "fear he will thrive" somewhere else. That's some "if I can't have her nobody can" level logic. Sure, he's not working out here, but we're damn sure not going to let him work out somewhere else.
Every team needs a grinder on the top line. Bozak, Kadri, Bunting, Hyman, Domi, Bertuzzi those have been our options. How many good key forwards has Toronto traded to win the cup? Domi and Bert we have now, they need to be resigned. Bunting should never have been traded.
Domi and bertuzzi both took a while to get going but once they did that 1st line with Matthew’s Domi and bertuzzi was dangerous and it felt like a real playoff line.
This is the downside of having ownership be a corporate entity with initials. The Leafs are profitable right now. If they're profitable, why mess with the formula by trading away an asset? They fired the coach because fans don't care about a coach and that enables them to claim they did something. There are fans who love Mitch, so the profit-focuses analysis will tell them to keep him. And since the initials don't care if you win, they will keep him.
And nothing changes with the roster another year, if it was movie or tv show you would stop watching because it's just not believable at this point
Just for Context. I asked Chat GPT and they should Toronto should keep Mitch Marner.
Marner is a driver on the PP and has amazing puck moving skills and is an amazing 1B with Matthews
Leaf fans "they can't run it back again." Guess what....sure looks like it.....and Management will expect a different result....then be surprised when they poop the bed again
Didn’t tre sign Kadri?
He also had 75 points this year. He’s better then JT at least
I think as soon as everyone found out Shanahan wasn't going anywhere, people should have realized that none of the Big Four were likely going anywhere and the Leafs were going to run it all back one more time. The real kicker comes when they try to resign Marner and Tavares to run it back again the season after next.
The actual serious question is this: Will trading Marner make the team better?
And honestly, no I don't see many scenarios where that happens. You could spend that cap on 3 more players and all of them combined wouldn't give you the same value Mitch brings.
Sure, trading him for an elite defenseman would potentially make the team better, but we don't live in an EA Sports Franchise Mode fairy tale.
OMG boys - fear, fear, fear - they need to focus on what they’re going to do - not Marner, or Hyman, or Kadri - on what the Leafs are going to do.
Yes, they made a poor trade for Kadri, and even worse they let Hyman walk - so they need to be smarter with Marner, but they need to move ahead and be smarter - not get paralyzed
Hyman is benefiting from playing with two of the best players in the NHL, and not Marner and Mathews. Hyman was average at best here and nothing would have changed had he stayed. But you're spot on with the Kadri assessment.
The leafs are most likely only getting 0.80 cents on the dollar for a Marner trade. If they keep Marner and decide to trade him during the season his value diminishes more or they just lose him as a Ufa. Its a simple process that happens all the time.
Treliving has to make a deal for Marner because he can't risk having another one of his top players go to Free Agency like Johnny Gaudreau. If Marner doesn't get traded, he needs to sign him to a contract with an even greedier raise.
Great show guys! Honestly. You're the only ones who speak the truth about Marner. Get that cancer off the team.
Concerns in the Leaf’s organization? Like who? The Board?
Why do we keep highlighting individual players in TEAM sports? That's what happened in AM34, when the team missed 70 goals. The coach kept highlighting individual players and promoting disruption. Let the new coach tune in for the new season.
Between the possibility of Marner simply saying no to a trade & the rest of the leagues unwillingness to invest 11mill in this player specifically. Toronto fan's likely need to get used to either losing him to free agency or getting a low ball offer for Marner. at least that is how I see this playing out
How can you trade Mitch!! GTA!!! The Big FOUR are such great DRAMA and Entertainment!
Get ready for the "run it back" Laf Fan. Can't wait to see it!
There is a good trade out there it's called cap space... u get rid of a good player puts up points great, but the management has to come to terms with the fact he's going to do well.somewhere else. The mix of.players and amount they all make does not work in Toronto. So u trade marner for 11 mill cap space to spend on 2 or 3 good to fill out the roster properly. That's the winning trade.
Beautiful...keep him...have a great regular season...and next spring we'll have yet ANOTHER laugh at this sad-sack team when they bow out...I can't wait. Your coach is the only gamer on this team (ok, and Matthew Knies).
JT's contract is up at the end of the coming season
@@joer8854 Going from three 11M forwards to four, then back to three…
I think the problem is he is paid to much. They won’t be able to shift him for the same value. And Marner can just say no. The leafs are likely stuck with him, I would also say “if you want to stay you are getting less”.
"Meet the new boss same as the old boss" This is one of the reasons the Leafs get laughed at incessantly and Adam seemed to like to agitate Steve - a little ingracious.
So the Shannaplan still in effect it seems. Predictable. Every year Leafs media and fans make a bunch of noise about major changes but they only make cosmetic changes.
Marner will be a Leaf. He will most likely be extended as JT's money will come off the books next year. For sure every team in the NHL is low balling the Leafs regarding a Marner trade because it's the Leafs. Give it up Steve, your dream of a Marner trade will not happen. I want to see what Berube can do with Mitch and the other top stars on the team.
"What does (insert employee) make versus a Chat GPT subscription?" is being asked in every board room right now (including probably the one down the hall from my office).
Whatever, I'll take the buyout and sign for league min at Timmy's. Win a (roll up the rim) cup.
Still can’t believe we got rid of bunting. I’m so sick and tired of some players getting special treatment and bum pats.
The only changes in Toronto next season will be the new coach and a few depth signings/trades. Maybe the Leafs will make it to the second round next season, probably not. Dangles will be chugging Pepto during his live streams by the all star break.
I've been saying it for years now, we shoulda kept Kadri instead of signing JT. Coulda rolled with Matthews and Kadri down the middle for all these years. Instead of paying 11 mil per for a second line center who has now become a very good 3C or 2LW. Dont get me wrong, i love JT, hes been great for us. A point per game pretty well his whole time in Toronto, but hes not 11 mil per season good, considering Kadri was a big part of that Cup winning Avs team and went to Calgary for like 7 Mil..
What is the “soulless decision”?
Shanahan/Trev: “Hey marner we’re trading you!”
Marner: “No”
Missed Marner at the WCs. Marner and Johnny Toronto should move to Chicago and play with Bedard.
Once we calm down. It starts to make sense to wait one more year. Mitch in his contract year should be even better than most and Tavares comes off the books next year and we can deal with it than if need be. They missed out on selling high on Nylander.
Nylander has been the most consistent playoff performer for the leafs.
@@Ben.Mangels No he hasn’t. He has the least amount of points of the trio, and is by far the worst defensively.
@@Rain.34.89He at least shows up in the big games. Marner never has.
@@Spike10111 He literally missed half the series.... seriously go watch previous seasons series.. Mitch is diving around blocking shots... killing penalties.. They should build around Marner and Matthews.... Dump Riley... wait out Tavares.. Everyone on here expecting a 1 year fix with a single trade lol.
Riley for Zadorov was the trade they messed up last year.
If the Leafs are not willing to give him 8 years at the money he will be demanding, and the Leafs can't afford that, I can't see him staying. That 8th year will very crucial (at super big bucks) when he turns 35. Look through the trees and see the forrest.
The question is will he do well in the playoffs where he gets traded to....not in regular season
Although, I wonder what would happen if Marner stays and others go...
A final look at the core 4,I wouldn’t mind the boys haven’t seen their prime yet,so I would like to see them play together again….if anybody needs to go I don’t know whom that would be ,but good luck 😁👍boys
So 1 of two things will happen. Either he'll sign a contract where he gets whatever he wants, or he'll walk next year in FA. Both of those situations will make this franchise look like idiots.
I do a pretty good job watching hockey as you 3. Don’t think you guys are better at watching hockey games right?
He says he does not want to hear about it bit hes the one starting the conversation
I mean, the last blockbuster trade Treliving handled was the Matthew Tkatchuk trade sooooooo…
That was a good trade. It didn't turn out well, but that's huberdeau's fault.
@@Ben.Mangelsit’s treliving’s fault for giving him that extension without seeing him playing with the team.
@@Ben.Mangelsat no point was rhat a good trade
@@johanstinson How?
If it comes down to it you absolutely let him walk in free agency.
The Leafs should have traded Marner last year before the no trade clause kicked in. That would have been the smart move, but the Leafs choose to run it back yet again. They ran it back just to realize that it doesn't work again. If they run it back one more year, the Leafs will see it still doesn't work next April. The Leafs are rudderless, lost and confused. If they don't bite the bullet this summer, the Leafs need to fire the upper management, because they are unable to do the job.
As a fan of the dysfunction, and drama in Toronto, I certainly hope they don’t move on from Mitch.
Different coach will make players accountable
I'm not a Mitch Marner ad advocate but he has more points than any of the big 4 in the playoffs he's a steady player l.Austin Matthews needed one goal in 3 games to hit the 70 Mark and in Mathews style, couldn't do it. and then he got a cold in the playoffs that's the guy you want to keep? Ok
It's fine if they keep him. If anything it is better too. They went to o.t. So close!!!! Bad play cost them the series. After this year J.T is gone or resigns for a fraction
Toronto should not move any of the core four. The coach and manager will be key this upcoming season. Build from the minors and see what happens with the inspiration factor from the new coach. Shanahan is the one who’s time should be up.
Im sure this is what "The real Nhl" quote was about. Not the media and fans and preassure. Thats how i read it anyways
the leafs are missing the point with trading Mitch or anyone else. they need a #1 defensemen and a goalie. but their plan is to wait out JT contract
I promise you they will fail to get anyone to waive and they will then get Berube to do their dirty work and have him spin it like they want him to have a crack at this core.
Call me crazy. The most valuable thing for marner is cap space. If they cant dump him to Columbus for 0% retained they should let him walk. Which makes this year a loss. But if they can only find teams willing to take him with retention than whats the point. Paying 5 mil for no marner? Idk
Well imo its just Marner doesnt want to leave and Toronto should say "fine we'll just let u go when ur'e contract expires."
So....your solution is to lose a 100 point player for.....nothing?
Check your mail for your new MLSE contract.
@@ChaseSpec So give in and give him what he wants?
@@ChaseSpec So what you think we should trade him? He has a FULL NO MOVE. He has made it clear he's not waiving his no trade so IMO either u bench him till he agrees to waive his no move which the Leafs arent going to do or u let him. Sweet Arceus its the Sundin situation all over agian. WHY THE HELL DO PLAYERS HAVE NO TRADE CLAUSES?? WHY THE HELL WOULD GMS AGREE TO THAT?
The Leafs NEED to be soulless, they need to be RUTHLESS and they need to ditch star players who dont perform.... I direct your attention to the Patriots......
Of course he's staying. He may not be worth all his contract dollars, but he's worth most of it. Tavares - he's a bottom 6 making 11 million. Tavares is the problem with the Leafs salary structure.
They will keep him around to see what they get out of him under a new coach.
You can't trade a player with a NMC if they don't want to be traded
If they aren’t going to re-sign him, he’d probably rather move on now rather than later.
You can. Just hire Babcock back and Marner will waive in seconds.
More often than not the end up moving. In this video Kadri had it and used it and still got flipped. He has the right to say no and we should respect it but it's not a guarantee
@@RJM1693No. He is better to play the season and leave as a UFA.
@@tankdiggs8974It is 100 percent the player's choice.
Great news. But the reality, you cannot trade a player with a no movement clause.Unless he asks to be traded and the team is agreeable.
Hearing Keefe's comments its not shocking that the team has choked so many times.
I’ve said it all along. Marner is not going anywhere ! Yet.
Management is godawful in Toronto. Great team, great players-- but the management is abysmal at best.
I don't think Brad's emotional. Shanny.
He could be the next Johnny hockey
Toronto taxes are high so marner after tax and agent fees he only makes 6.25
that woud be great news. I dont want Marner to go. Get rid of Brodie and Reily and pick up free agents.
Reilly isn't going anywhere either.
I don’t wanna hear another thing about this player
I suspect AI might notice that the Leafs won more 2024 playoff games (2) with Matthews out of the lineup... Maybe Matthews is the guy that needs to be traded. :P
It's their own fault. They had two positions they could have taken to move away from the big 4 last year. It's what Dubas said he wanted to do in the off season and they fired him. Now they are having second thoughts and want to do it and they literally can't. Super stupid.
Yea so then they have karlsson making 10 mill instead of marner lmao ... yea dubas would of made the right decision... give me a break
I would tell his agent we plan on healthy scratching him all season so he is well rested for the playoffs
Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result......
This time it’ll be different.
Source: I’m Batman.
Moronto media chased Kadri out of town so he could win a Cup so maybe the same thing is happening with Marner. So let’s trade a Career +110 guy and keep a D Man, Reilly with a Career -9.
Maple Chokers/Maple Laughs lol ⚰️🪦👎👎👎😂😂😂
Bam Son
Steve is acting completely delusional here. No the leafs dont have Rantanen, MacKinnon and Makar. But they do have Matthews, Nylander and Reilly. This is vastly different than the Kadri trade.