Same here, new player since November 22. My Friends made me play tank and me not knowing what I was getting myself into I said yes 😅 much better now and I don’t piss anyone off learning the game. Have 200h on my prot warrior And just lvl d up my outlaw, just feels so much better 😄
Excellent video, clear and precise, love the bit where you slow it down and pause to talk about what's happening, well done! I haven't played Outlaw since WoD (when it was still called Combat spec)
I'm glad you stick to the crew ! Most of rogues play sub now, but i'm sticking to outlaw, my heart spec since Legion ! (rogue since vanilla :D). Thanks for the instructive video !
Thanks for this video and all guides u makeing for us all. For all energy you put into explaining how things works. These days people dont have enough time for researching tons of websites to improve yourself. You are my first guide creator of WoW content that i follow and im very happy with my progress on my rogue. Its mostly becouse of style how u work on any problem to help any other player improve gameplay. Thanks again and keep your work with this style, dont change anything. Cheers
Hey man, how is your ambush keybinded? I don;t see it on your action bar and yet your constantly casting it whether in our out of stealth. I'm trying to solve a dilemma I have in that I don't want to assign a keybind to ambush just for audacity procs
great video! i am new to playing outlaw so just have a general question about stats. How much haste should I aim for? My current gear has 3% haste and i feel like im constantly running out of energy, is that a haste issue or could it be just me doing the rotation wrong? thanks
so for someone completely new to rogue and outlaw this was a much needed video, many thanks! do you have your rotation written down somewhere? kind of hard to follow rotation in video for someone completely new. thanks!
Hey, I do, rotation hasn't changed since my previous master clas video if you want to go see that, it's on the channel - just make sure you finish after 6 combo points still.
Really appreciate the guide, you are so thorough which makes it easy to understand. I do' have 1 question though. When do we use Blade Rush, is it only used for mobility or does it have a place in the rotation at all?
Ye I legit think outlaw is still just as good as before - but I think sub has its merits and imo is probably equal to outlaw, so it's what you prefer 👍
Hi, bro! Great guide!! I'm just wondering how can I do that with the vanish and BtE and other stuff that glows up when u need to use it, I download ur ui from wago but it doesn't do the same when I've for example to use vanish it doens't glow up u.u
Wow what is that macro for replacing sinister strike button to ambush when we get procs???? That would be absolutely game changing for me as a new rogue player. Please help !
That's pretty much going to be my take to be fair, I think they're almost identical in performance and tankiness etc, but I think sub is easier to play so it's getting more play right now because of it
@GaleaGGTV I noticed almost all top outlaw rogues have switched from heavy hitter to 2/2 count the odds, what's your opinion about it? Thank you, I joined your Patreon, you make great quality content and deserve support!👍
I just saw that earlier, very much appreciated ❤️ honestly means a lot more than you think getting patreons I personally prefer the count the odds playstyle too, its helps remove that bottom end and it feels like you play with good buffs all the time. It sims exactly the same so I'd argue its just preference, no real change in damage
Hey man! Thanks a lot for the amazing video and the explanations. I have two questions and I was hoping you (or anyone) could help out here 1. In my m+ run, I end up without stacks of audacity to hit ambush, even though I use both shadow dance and vanish accordingly following your video. In your video you maybe used sinster strike like once. Do you know maybe where I could be going wrong? 2. Can you please explain why is it bad to spend your combo points at 5, instead of 6 or 7? Thanks!
Hey, if you aren't getting audacity stacks - it's either because you don't have the talent or because you don't have ambush on a separate keybind so you can use it out of stealth (you don't get stealth bars so you have to find a completely new keybind for it). Using combo points at 5 uses a global and energy when it's inefficient essentially. Same reason why you don't use it 1 combo points up to 5.
The count the odds change is honestly a huge boost. It may actually be worse than Greenskins but the thing is you can always swap targets with BtE and you ALWAYS have BtE on every new pack meaning you probably do more dps with this build.
Completely agree, CTO sims 80 dps worse for me than greenskins, and I sim 104k so its pretty much negligible. The change so we can take subterfuge and mind numbing is great too
I never have an issue with BtE and GSW, there's usually a priority target and if the target is about to die you just hold BtE for the next mob or pack. I'm 2937 io, saying that because I like to think I play optimally and not just saying it while doing for fun low keys. But yeah Count the Odds can indeed feel nice, I really liked it in Shadowlands but the version we've now is considerably weaker.
Thanks brotha , im new to retail and new to m+ and just overall meleee and rouge lol. Im still learning this shit but your guide is incredible i cant wait to out dps my shitter friends. Seriously though your guide is incredible very good work.
I love outlaw rogue but in real situations like m+ dungeon fights my damage is very low So i try to get all these tipps and tricks over video and video to get better but nothing happening damage still low
wonder if it would be worth getting the 4x BTE crit damage talent when taking cold blood, since you can guarantee the crit on some of those so the talent becomes worth more
I couldn't tell exactly what changed about our spec, without researching at all this is what I started to do lol. I personally don't like this change. If the only change is to make the spec slightly more difficult to play but doesn't really change output then what is that point. It's like wearing a really comfortable shirt but there's one thread that sometimes pokes you but it's manageable. Meh lol still pump for sure tho
I think this idea of heavy hitter vs 2 count the odds isn't fully thought out, the value of 2nd count the odds goes way up if you die and lose slice and dice buff at any point as well as the times you're able to get slice and dice buff rolling due to extra count the odds stacks. So I think the debate of .3% dps loss for a node isn't really much of a debate just an oversight, If you already have a large slice and dice buff it gets a little closer, but we're getting into very fine details when comparing damage and I'm sure nobody farms their slice and dice before a dungeon
Also there is some funny business happening where if you re roll sometimes your CTO buffs stick around which helps it. I didn't want to mention it here, but double CTO I think might be better because of this, but I've not done enough research, some people were exploring it on the discord but nothing conclusive last time I checked
One question. I made rogue few days ago its like 395 ilvl. I am just curious. When i go , ambush, dispatch, ambush, slice and dice , pistol, cold with dispatch i usually lose ambush to forward the rotation. Why? I go pre stealth in combat with only stealth spell
So with vanish and SD. I been using them when I have no procs left. I feel like im running into so much time where I just dont get procs and im left with no CDs and having it hit SS. I watch some of the top rouges in keys and seems like they rarely are in that position. I dont think im using vanish and SD incorrectly... Do you have procs? No... Vanish. Run out of procs again? SD... Yet I still have a lot of no proc time.
You've pretty much go it, the part of the equation is if you're re rolling correctly, and also if you're using your procs well (i.e. not losing them or using finishers at 5 combo points). In general I'd say it's rare, maybe once a key at most, that I end up in the scenario where I spam SS and lose all my energy etc
@@galeaggtv Thank you for responding. I know I could be managing my rolls better. I have a WA that is pretty good with telling me when I should and shouldnt roll... or maybe its not LOL. I know I should be doing way more dmg then I am. I'll keep working at it.
I usually swap between weakauras and nameplates (enemy nameplates) every few seconds, if you get into the mind set of looking at plates you'll slowly learn to stop focussing on buttons/weakauras constantly
need to find time to push it in some keys! but I've started practicing the aoe opener in my spare time, just need to slap the single target a bit then send some 20s and I'll make the guide
So to clarify - if we have only 3 opportunity procs, no audacity, then we vanish => ambush. But if vanish is off cooldown, we just use the 3 opportunity procs? Or do we go into shadowdance then?
I just feel like there are times where I’m doing good damage but then there’s times where a 397 sub rogue is doing more damage then me as a 407 outlaw rogue. I think my probably is being consist with my damage.
That is his stealth bar. When he shadow dances ambush takes the spot of his ss. He has to use a different bind for Ho procs. I have it on my z for ambush/ss but middle mouse button for the proc
What happens when you have no procs at 5 cbp and vanish is on cd and Sd is off cd? Would u Ss to get to 6-7? Or dance to 6-7? I've read that you shouldnt use Ss if vanish and dance is off cd
@@Station511 no it's three or less opportunity stacks. You just use shadow dance on any combo points that's not 6 or 7. As you use a finish on 6 or 7 combo points
Great video brother, You helped a lot!! My problem is to wasting a lot of energy, because sometimes I don't get a proc of HO or Fth, so what should I do??
Thank you❤️ If you end up in that scenario it's normally other mistakes that lead to it, like not using vanish it shadowdance correctly or not rerolling, or finishing at 5 combo points etc Hard to know for sure but it's one of those I'd say
lowkey hate this build, too much brain power it makes hard to do rogue things in dungeons, I hope they fix in some other way. It just feels bad to roll sub after crafting everything for outlaw.
This made outlaw feel a lot more like sub in my opinion because you gotta be more careful to not waste builders on your spenders and gotta time the cooldown windows
Went from tank to Outlaw for M+ and really enjoying it! Even more after 10.05. These videos are amazing! Thank you very much!!!
Thank you ❤️
Welcome to the crew ! The real Chad spec of the rogue :D
Same here, new player since November 22. My Friends made me play tank and me not knowing what I was getting myself into I said yes 😅 much better now and I don’t piss anyone off learning the game. Have 200h on my prot warrior And just lvl d up my outlaw, just feels so much better 😄
Excellent video, clear and precise, love the bit where you slow it down and pause to talk about what's happening, well done! I haven't played Outlaw since WoD (when it was still called Combat spec)
I appreciate you so much! This video unlocked my horrible mental block that was preventing me understanding my class. Massive thanks to you, sir!
What an awesome guide !!! Very precise and the slow Motion part its just right, well done !!
I'm glad you stick to the crew ! Most of rogues play sub now, but i'm sticking to outlaw, my heart spec since Legion ! (rogue since vanilla :D).
Thanks for the instructive video !
Excellent video! Thanks for the update! Appreciate the work you’re putting into these!
Thanks man, GL on your rogue adventures
Thanks for this video and all guides u makeing for us all. For all energy you put into explaining how things works. These days people dont have enough time for researching tons of websites to improve yourself. You are my first guide creator of WoW content that i follow and im very happy with my progress on my rogue. Its mostly becouse of style how u work on any problem to help any other player improve gameplay. Thanks again and keep your work with this style, dont change anything.
Cheers
Thank you, honestly means a lot to hear these sorts of comments it really is awesome ❤️
Great job. You are making me a better rogue.
Just rolled a rogue for my alt (first time playing dps in 6 years lol) and I’m loving this channel 😊
I was a bit lost after the patch. But you made it very clear, so a big thank you for the guide :)
Great guide mate, appreciate the effort
Hey man, how is your ambush keybinded? I don;t see it on your action bar and yet your constantly casting it whether in our out of stealth. I'm trying to solve a dilemma I have in that I don't want to assign a keybind to ambush just for audacity procs
Been waiting on this vid for a minute lets goo
I actually really like the ambush build I just got the expansion from a six month break from sl trying to do more keys this expansion great guide
great video
Love that macro for Cold Blood. Makes perfect sense and yet soooo simple.
sometimes simple is best!
great video! i am new to playing outlaw so just have a general question about stats. How much haste should I aim for? My current gear has 3% haste and i feel like im constantly running out of energy, is that a haste issue or could it be just me doing the rotation wrong? thanks
I’m new aswell but that sounds extremely low, and you’re also probably not setting up the combos properly watch his first guide again
Thank you so much for the update
so for someone completely new to rogue and outlaw this was a much needed video, many thanks! do you have your rotation written down somewhere? kind of hard to follow rotation in video for someone completely new. thanks!
Hey, I do, rotation hasn't changed since my previous master clas video if you want to go see that, it's on the channel - just make sure you finish after 6 combo points still.
Really appreciate the guide, you are so thorough which makes it easy to understand. I do' have 1 question though. When do we use Blade Rush, is it only used for mobility or does it have a place in the rotation at all?
The meme spec is doing pretty good atm
Was waiting for this video! Love the last one. New Sub here (:
Thanks
But this isn't a Sub guide? /s
I almost changed to sub but then you uploaded this video
Ye I legit think outlaw is still just as good as before - but I think sub has its merits and imo is probably equal to outlaw, so it's what you prefer 👍
@@galeaggtv i tried sub and it put me to sleep and i like the outlaw class lore better anyways so ill be sticking to outlaw
What do you use for add-ons and where do you look for bis gear? My dps is poop and I'm thinking it partially gear.
Hi, bro! Great guide!! I'm just wondering how can I do that with the vanish and BtE and other stuff that glows up when u need to use it, I download ur ui from wago but it doesn't do the same when I've for example to use vanish it doens't glow up u.u
Wow what is that macro for replacing sinister strike button to ambush when we get procs???? That would be absolutely game changing for me as a new rogue player. Please help !
It's not possible, you're just seeing my stealth bar
@@galeaggtv so i should use different buttons for ss and ambush to use ambush from audacity proc?
Makes me want to pick up my old main again. Not played my rogue in a long time now 😢
My old man brain prefers the sub rogue, but I've been playing combat. I'll look forward to hearing your take.
That's pretty much going to be my take to be fair, I think they're almost identical in performance and tankiness etc, but I think sub is easier to play so it's getting more play right now because of it
@GaleaGGTV I noticed almost all top outlaw rogues have switched from heavy hitter to 2/2 count the odds, what's your opinion about it? Thank you, I joined your Patreon, you make great quality content and deserve support!👍
I just saw that earlier, very much appreciated ❤️ honestly means a lot more than you think getting patreons
I personally prefer the count the odds playstyle too, its helps remove that bottom end and it feels like you play with good buffs all the time. It sims exactly the same so I'd argue its just preference, no real change in damage
@@galeaggtv You're more than welcome! You provide quality content, you're worth every penny :) And thank you for your answer!
Hey man!
Thanks a lot for the amazing video and the explanations. I have two questions and I was hoping you (or anyone) could help out here
1. In my m+ run, I end up without stacks of audacity to hit ambush, even though I use both shadow dance and vanish accordingly following your video. In your video you maybe used sinster strike like once. Do you know maybe where I could be going wrong?
2. Can you please explain why is it bad to spend your combo points at 5, instead of 6 or 7?
Thanks!
Hey, if you aren't getting audacity stacks - it's either because you don't have the talent or because you don't have ambush on a separate keybind so you can use it out of stealth (you don't get stealth bars so you have to find a completely new keybind for it).
Using combo points at 5 uses a global and energy when it's inefficient essentially. Same reason why you don't use it 1 combo points up to 5.
The count the odds change is honestly a huge boost. It may actually be worse than Greenskins but the thing is you can always swap targets with BtE and you ALWAYS have BtE on every new pack meaning you probably do more dps with this build.
Completely agree, CTO sims 80 dps worse for me than greenskins, and I sim 104k so its pretty much negligible.
The change so we can take subterfuge and mind numbing is great too
I never have an issue with BtE and GSW, there's usually a priority target and if the target is about to die you just hold BtE for the next mob or pack. I'm 2937 io, saying that because I like to think I play optimally and not just saying it while doing for fun low keys. But yeah Count the Odds can indeed feel nice, I really liked it in Shadowlands but the version we've now is considerably weaker.
Thanks brotha , im new to retail and new to m+ and just overall meleee and rouge lol. Im still learning this shit but your guide is incredible i cant wait to out dps my shitter friends. Seriously though your guide is incredible very good work.
thanks my guy, smash that dps meter
Is there an addon that helps with rotation and timing these actions based on procs?
I love outlaw rogue but in real situations like m+ dungeon fights my damage is very low
So i try to get all these tipps and tricks over video and video to get better but nothing happening damage still low
Is any of the specs you posted viable for heroic dungeons during gearing phase ?
Hello, after a few days since the change, do you still suggest vanishing when you have 3 procs of pistol shot and no audacity procs?
hey, yes absolutely - no change in priority since the changes
wonder if it would be worth getting the 4x BTE crit damage talent when taking cold blood, since you can guarantee the crit on some of those so the talent becomes worth more
I wondered this but taking the right hand side I was simming much lower unfortunately, 5% ish
I couldn't tell exactly what changed about our spec, without researching at all this is what I started to do lol. I personally don't like this change. If the only change is to make the spec slightly more difficult to play but doesn't really change output then what is that point. It's like wearing a really comfortable shirt but there's one thread that sometimes pokes you but it's manageable. Meh lol still pump for sure tho
what weakaura are you using to show your interrupts on the right hand side?
It's just my version of afenars ui, you can find it in my UI video in the description
I think this idea of heavy hitter vs 2 count the odds isn't fully thought out, the value of 2nd count the odds goes way up if you die and lose slice and dice buff at any point as well as the times you're able to get slice and dice buff rolling due to extra count the odds stacks. So I think the debate of .3% dps loss for a node isn't really much of a debate just an oversight, If you already have a large slice and dice buff it gets a little closer, but we're getting into very fine details when comparing damage and I'm sure nobody farms their slice and dice before a dungeon
Also there is some funny business happening where if you re roll sometimes your CTO buffs stick around which helps it.
I didn't want to mention it here, but double CTO I think might be better because of this, but I've not done enough research, some people were exploring it on the discord but nothing conclusive last time I checked
Where does Blade Rush fit in?
One question. I made rogue few days ago its like 395 ilvl. I am just curious. When i go , ambush, dispatch, ambush, slice and dice , pistol, cold with dispatch i usually lose ambush to forward the rotation. Why? I go pre stealth in combat with only stealth spell
How are you already 395 lol wow is a joke these days
@@Fox250R One word . Uncapped valor xD
@@metalac7282 damn
So with vanish and SD. I been using them when I have no procs left. I feel like im running into so much time where I just dont get procs and im left with no CDs and having it hit SS. I watch some of the top rouges in keys and seems like they rarely are in that position. I dont think im using vanish and SD incorrectly... Do you have procs? No... Vanish. Run out of procs again? SD... Yet I still have a lot of no proc time.
You've pretty much go it, the part of the equation is if you're re rolling correctly, and also if you're using your procs well (i.e. not losing them or using finishers at 5 combo points).
In general I'd say it's rare, maybe once a key at most, that I end up in the scenario where I spam SS and lose all my energy etc
@@galeaggtv Thank you for responding. I know I could be managing my rolls better. I have a WA that is pretty good with telling me when I should and shouldnt roll... or maybe its not LOL. I know I should be doing way more dmg then I am. I'll keep working at it.
Still feel like im looking to much at my spells/action bar/weakauras. How much do you look at those compared to the character on screen while dpsing?
I usually swap between weakauras and nameplates (enemy nameplates) every few seconds, if you get into the mind set of looking at plates you'll slowly learn to stop focussing on buttons/weakauras constantly
Any news on your Sub gameplay? Read you where learning that recently
need to find time to push it in some keys! but I've started practicing the aoe opener in my spare time, just need to slap the single target a bit then send some 20s and I'll make the guide
I fond AoE on sub really Easy and intuitive to execute, actually feeling like I’m messing up my ST way more. Raid parses also show that 😅
is there much diff between this and the raid spec?
So to clarify - if we have only 3 opportunity procs, no audacity, then we vanish => ambush. But if vanish is off cooldown, we just use the 3 opportunity procs? Or do we go into shadowdance then?
That's right no audacity, 3 opportunity > vanish
No audacity, no opportunity > shadowdance
@@galeaggtv brilliant, thanks!
What if im at 5 cp, with 2 opportunity procs and a audacity proc. Do i use the opportunity or the ambush?
audacity, never want to mulch ambush if possible
Do you use a macro for sinister strike and ambush to use the same key? And my rotation does even come close to singergizing like yours so far
you can not put ss and ambush on the same key, that doesnt work
@@Insane_Kane im asking because in his video he has 1 bar that SS and Ambush change out. what am i missing
@@jasonfields5237 When you go into stealth or shadow dance the stealthbar gets enabled
@@Insane_Kane YES.... but hit 2 button is changing from SS and ambush while not using either no?
@@jasonfields5237 Got a timestamp ?
GaleaGGTV idk what to use 2 whetstone or buzzing runes for m+ content? :)
don't go over 40% with crit
try simming - but what be optimal said is also true, whetstone is best for me
I just feel like there are times where I’m doing good damage but then there’s times where a 397 sub rogue is doing more damage then me as a 407 outlaw rogue. I think my probably is being consist with my damage.
I feel the same way!
I feel like you have the same button/keybind for SS and ambush. Is that correct? If so, how do I do that?
That is his stealth bar. When he shadow dances ambush takes the spot of his ss. He has to use a different bind for Ho procs. I have it on my z for ambush/ss but middle mouse button for the proc
As brad said, it's stealth bar
I was hoping that I was wrong :(
What are the damage number addon?
What happens when you have no procs at 5 cbp and vanish is on cd and Sd is off cd? Would u Ss to get to 6-7? Or dance to 6-7? I've read that you shouldnt use Ss if vanish and dance is off cd
send SD like you said
If you shadow dance is off CD, you have no procs, and you are at
Thx for answering! I was confused because I kept seeing Sd is used at 3 or lower cps or "lower cbs*. Would lower also mean anything less then 6 or7?
@@Station511 no it's three or less opportunity stacks. You just use shadow dance on any combo points that's not 6 or 7. As you use a finish on 6 or 7 combo points
i saw this other 3k io who after bte and snd just insta danced in her tutorial. any thoughts?
rogue discord doesn't think its worth it, as you're wasting opportunity procs/audacity procs
I cannt freaking proc another ambush from start after between the eyes xD im too old maybe for this :(
Sinister strike is not used at al?
only in the worst case - but as you can see i had bad buffs and went a minute without really using it, but 0 procs 0 cooldowns and you have to use it
@@galeaggtv the less Buttons to press the better! 😅
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Great video brother, You helped a lot!! My problem is to wasting a lot of energy, because sometimes I don't get a proc of HO or Fth, so what should I do??
Thank you❤️
If you end up in that scenario it's normally other mistakes that lead to it, like not using vanish it shadowdance correctly or not rerolling, or finishing at 5 combo points etc
Hard to know for sure but it's one of those I'd say
This is the issue with outlaw using shadow dance as a filler and not a burst widow also using vanish as a filler. The class needs a redesign
2 points on CTO and removing Heavy Hitter is better in raid tho, benefits from ST
Ye ST CTO is better, but I'm almost 100% focussed on m+ as I don't raid
Shadowstep > Cold Blood. And thank goodness my WA never lets my Dispatch at 5 anyway :)
stats?
love it
i have so many more keybinds. im jealous of your simplicity
Outlaw has too many dead talents.
It’s still good 🤷🏻♂️
lowkey hate this build, too much brain power it makes hard to do rogue things in dungeons, I hope they fix in some other way. It just feels bad to roll sub after crafting everything for outlaw.
This made outlaw feel a lot more like sub in my opinion because you gotta be more careful to not waste builders on your spenders and gotta time the cooldown windows
@@blackwng It's just bad design, counter intuitive always overcapping combo points, and holding abilities that you used on cooldown for ever like Bte.
i dont seem to get the grip on outlaw bro i fucking suck :D
practice and you'll get there I believe