Keybinds are so critical. I use 1-4, q, e, r, f, z and then shift-modifier to all those. Buffs or other important but non-core rotation abilities can go on F1-5. Don’t need a fancy mouse (I don’t like my thumb clicking 12 buttons) but M4 and 5 and shift-M4 and 5 are used. Can hit everything comfortably and use this setup on all classes.
Hey Santiana thank you I have been playing for 20 years but still suck bad. Back then I asked my son while he was playing wow and "I what is that you are flying on he said "Dad its a hippogryph and I said really he started me on my Night ELf rogue back then I have been hooked but have almost given up on how complicated it has been to play my rogue lately especially in Mythics until I saw how much info you have given to me from your videos you are awesome thank you so much I have so much to practice now lol take care.
Here’s something I have bound a little differently, kick(mouse over macro) to mouse wheel up and feint mouse wheel down, I use a shift modifier for camera zoom on mouse wheel.
It's cause Rogue's dont really scale that high compared to other classes, so our dmg is very good at the beginning, OP even, and then it tapers down to a consistent good dmg.
hand position and movement on the keyboard is so important, in my case i have some abilities bound to WASD with shift and alt modifiers, i mean my fingers are already positioned on those keys anyways
In Dragonflight I have noticed my button pressing has been off, like it might be because my pc is too old now or something since I notice it waaaay more in raid. I will be pressing a key too early/quickly and then move onto the next action e.g. I am at max cp so I hit my dispatch, then I go to hit pistol shot/ambush/ss to build for my next finisher only for that previous dispatch to not have actually cast - since binding cold blood to dispatch it has become super noticeable due to CB not being on the gcd. Super frustrating and feels like I am having to slow down a lot or I waste a lot of cps. I tried changing that spellquewindow but it actually made it worse.
I use my mouse buttons for my damage and the keybinds you mention q e r x, etc i use for kick gouge tricks, trinket, fient. Do you think I should switch and not use the mouse buttons for damage?
I think dmg buttons are more efficient on keyboard but I know some pvpers bind dmg to mouse so honestly that is fine I think as long as you have accessible buttons on either hand you’re fine
@@shantiana593 same i have alot of my main abilities like dispatch and bte on my mouse side buttons i feel like being able to move and do rotation is important. Can you elaborate why this would be less efficient?
Since you moved abilities to Q and E im assuming strafe is on A and D now?.. thats one of the things thats gunna bother me if i start moving things around lol
If you looking for another possible improvement using q and e to strafe makes shit way smoother and gives you better access to 1-5 and I use asd as key binds instead of movement
I was just thinking yesterday that I haven't updated my keybinds since classic where I had Q as my Earth Shock (which used to be the Shaman interrupt) and since then Q is my interrupt on all classes, and E is dispell (Purge) spells, even though they're not used very often. I'm totally gonna take your advice and try to put main skills on Q and E instead. Thanks
Ty ty for the video. Have mostly played Ranged DPS, melee scared me. Really want to learn to Rogue lol. Besides that, your thumbnail Rogue pic is cute! Do you have links to the transmogs?
i have basic WA in my discord under "basic weakauras" and then the more complex ones like my core rogue WA for twitch subs, which also open up in my disc in a channel after you suB!!
THANK YOUU❤ you’ll get used to it it’s very hard I agree but once you swap you’ll be so happy you did. I’d recommend changing A and D to strafe bc you never been to be keyboard turning anyway
Hi I've been wondering what to do about my spellqueuewindow. I play from AUS and most of the groups I join are US based so my ping in their groups is sitting around 200 world ping. The ping itself is fine but I'm unsure what to set my spellqueuewindow to. On your written guide it says the formula is pingX4 or 175-ping which with 200 ping isn't possible. What should I be setting it to in this situation?
Hello, I've been following you for a while and you've been a great help on my outlaw. I have a quick question, I just looted a heroic grieftorch and I'm curious where in your rotation you would use it. I was thinking after stealth opener and dance, when rtb starts to fall off?
Fuck, you are a great teacher. Just wanted you to know that. Learned so much from you on this video. Also, thank you for making the guide on google docs, I really appreciate you taking the time to do that for us. Great stuff! Sub'ed for life now :)
It is outdated.. I tried it, it doesn't work correctly, you can check yourself. In wago it shows that aura is for shadowlands, last updated 2022 nov 24, so I suspect it doesn't take into account new talents because with acrobatic strikes you stand at max range from dummies, you reaching them with you single target abilities counter shows 0, use BF and you will see that it does dmg to dummies but counter still 0, number starts to increase if you getting closer to dummies. So, it doesn't work as intended because it doesn't take into account range increase talents and "makes" you think that BF range is sh... and you think that you have to stand in middle of the pack.
Can't hear anything in this video unless i turn up the volume on my speakers (this video is very low volume compared to other utube vidoes)... please make sure the audio is louder next video, ty!
I'm not sure how people ever play anything using wasd, I been using asdx for over 20 years in gaming. It's always allowed for easier keybinds right above plus the numbers. Also feels more comfy for me personally to have my fingers in a row instead of uneven.
Hey, u say that "The biggest improvement in me playing outlaw came when I swapped my main damage binds from 1-5." And u playing on MMO mouse, so u swap those key when u dont have MMO mouse or before that u playing only with MMO mouse?. Just an ask fot clarify cause i use MMO mouse too but have a different setup and i dont think is working properly. Thanks you 😁
This is false sub doesn’t do way more damage in every key. If you’re playing sub and outlaw perfect they will either end the same or very very close together and sub dmg is mostly pad anyway so it isn’t that great. Outlaw is not easy and only like 1% of the rogue population can play it perfectly
@@masonhigginbotham9375 well first I don’t focus on those here and second typically in life when people work hard on something they don’t just give it out for free, if u want a bootleg rogue WA there’s plenty on wagio ❤️i give plenty of my stuff out for free already
Keybinds are so critical. I use 1-4, q, e, r, f, z and then shift-modifier to all those. Buffs or other important but non-core rotation abilities can go on F1-5. Don’t need a fancy mouse (I don’t like my thumb clicking 12 buttons) but M4 and 5 and shift-M4 and 5 are used. Can hit everything comfortably and use this setup on all classes.
Hey Santiana thank you I have been playing for 20 years but still suck bad. Back then I asked my son while he was playing wow and "I what is that you are flying on he said "Dad its a hippogryph and I said really he started me on my Night ELf rogue back then I have been hooked but have almost given up on how complicated it has been to play my rogue lately especially in Mythics until I saw how much info you have given to me from your videos you are awesome thank you so much I have so much to practice now lol take care.
Recently have been trying to actually learn my class instead of just mashing ftm without thinking, your videos are great!
Here’s something I have bound a little differently, kick(mouse over macro) to mouse wheel up and feint mouse wheel down, I use a shift modifier for camera zoom on mouse wheel.
i feel like that could get difficult in a big pack hahah
I swear the more gear I get the sadder I get from my overall. Great vid!
It's cause Rogue's dont really scale that high compared to other classes, so our dmg is very good at the beginning, OP even, and then it tapers down to a consistent good dmg.
some really good info here. The flurry range WA is absolute gold.
New to Outlaw, always played Assassination, your vids are helping me so much, Thank you!
ily
hand position and movement on the keyboard is so important, in my case i have some abilities bound to WASD with shift and alt modifiers, i mean my fingers are already positioned on those keys anyways
In Dragonflight I have noticed my button pressing has been off, like it might be because my pc is too old now or something since I notice it waaaay more in raid. I will be pressing a key too early/quickly and then move onto the next action e.g. I am at max cp so I hit my dispatch, then I go to hit pistol shot/ambush/ss to build for my next finisher only for that previous dispatch to not have actually cast - since binding cold blood to dispatch it has become super noticeable due to CB not being on the gcd. Super frustrating and feels like I am having to slow down a lot or I waste a lot of cps. I tried changing that spellquewindow but it actually made it worse.
damn prob because old pc or MS maybe
@@shantiana593 I am very lucky since my WoW says my MS is 4-6 usually on OCE servers, goes up to 200 odd on US servers.
I really love your weakaura to track power and ability
U can share it ? ❤
I use my mouse buttons for my damage and the keybinds you mention q e r x, etc i use for kick gouge tricks, trinket, fient. Do you think I should switch and not use the mouse buttons for damage?
I think dmg buttons are more efficient on keyboard but I know some pvpers bind dmg to mouse so honestly that is fine I think as long as you have accessible buttons on either hand you’re fine
Same. My mouse has 12 buttons on the side. Ive used the same series mouse since cata
@@shantiana593 same i have alot of my main abilities like dispatch and bte on my mouse side buttons i feel like being able to move and do rotation is important. Can you elaborate why this would be less efficient?
Since you moved abilities to Q and E im assuming strafe is on A and D now?.. thats one of the things thats gunna bother me if i start moving things around lol
If you looking for another possible improvement using q and e to strafe makes shit way smoother and gives you better access to 1-5 and I use asd as key binds instead of movement
ya this good too
I was just thinking yesterday that I haven't updated my keybinds since classic where I had Q as my Earth Shock (which used to be the Shaman interrupt) and since then Q is my interrupt on all classes, and E is dispell (Purge) spells, even though they're not used very often. I'm totally gonna take your advice and try to put main skills on Q and E instead. Thanks
Ty ty for the video. Have mostly played Ranged DPS, melee scared me. Really want to learn to Rogue lol. Besides that, your thumbnail Rogue pic is cute! Do you have links to the transmogs?
Awesome videos! Do you have a suite of some kind for your WA? Or is it best to follow them one and one from your discord? :)
i have basic WA in my discord under "basic weakauras" and then the more complex ones like my core rogue WA for twitch subs, which also open up in my disc in a channel after you suB!!
Subbed! I am still playing with WASD and QE to strafe. I know I need to change but it’s so hard to rewire like 15 years of MMO muscle memory.
THANK YOUU❤ you’ll get used to it it’s very hard I agree but once you swap you’ll be so happy you did. I’d recommend changing A and D to strafe bc you never been to be keyboard turning anyway
Hi I've been wondering what to do about my spellqueuewindow. I play from AUS and most of the groups I join are US based so my ping in their groups is sitting around 200 world ping. The ping itself is fine but I'm unsure what to set my spellqueuewindow to. On your written guide it says the formula is pingX4 or 175-ping which with 200 ping isn't possible. What should I be setting it to in this situation?
play sub
@@Sykeftw lolno
Awesome guide, however anyone else experiencing issued with the WA? mine doesn't seem to count at all..
try importing from my discord
Hello, I've been following you for a while and you've been a great help on my outlaw. I have a quick question, I just looted a heroic grieftorch and I'm curious where in your rotation you would use it. I was thinking after stealth opener and dance, when rtb starts to fall off?
Fuck, you are a great teacher. Just wanted you to know that. Learned so much from you on this video. Also, thank you for making the guide on google docs, I really appreciate you taking the time to do that for us. Great stuff! Sub'ed for life now :)
Ty so much I appreciate this
excellent video where u take vod's submitions?
Just in disc but I do it for subs since a lot of people want it and I don’t have that much time :)))
The proximity counter is phenomenal. Thank you for that!
It is outdated.. I tried it, it doesn't work correctly, you can check yourself. In wago it shows that aura is for shadowlands, last updated 2022 nov 24, so I suspect it doesn't take into account new talents because with acrobatic strikes you stand at max range from dummies, you reaching them with you single target abilities counter shows 0, use BF and you will see that it does dmg to dummies but counter still 0, number starts to increase if you getting closer to dummies. So, it doesn't work as intended because it doesn't take into account range increase talents and "makes" you think that BF range is sh... and you think that you have to stand in middle of the pack.
@@KrachaborasJB it works as of today, updated 2/23
Fooking A advice spot on, just never thought about proximity being an issue for OL!
Awesome vid, got recommended by a pal. Definitely making a few of these mistakes!!
Can you explain why i dont get whetstone after litterly 50 cos keys @shantiana ?
not even dathea trinket or grieftorch i think blizzard hates me
IDK ILL PRAY FOR UUUU
Absolutely love the written guide you have. Thank you so much for making it, I hope you continue to update it in the future!
Hi,name of addon which counts mobs?
great video, by the way, thanks!
It’s a WA in the description of the video also in my disc!
proximity counter didnt seem to work when imported
Should work. Also try joining my cord and going into basic WA and doing it there
It is outdated, doesn't take into account range talents.
Anyone using mouse wheel up (pistol shot) and mouse wheel down (Ambush)? Dispatch on E, SS on Q.
demonic lol
most slayyy rogue :D ty this WA just saved me so much dps
Heheheh
wow super dope vid and guide, thank you
Thank you, thank you, and thank you!
had no idea blade flurry range was so terrible, thanks for this one
wago.io/1rxHzJZjt
forgot to link it
Can't hear anything in this video unless i turn up the volume on my speakers (this video is very low volume compared to other utube vidoes)... please make sure the audio is louder next video, ty!
I'm not sure how people ever play anything using wasd, I been using asdx for over 20 years in gaming. It's always allowed for easier keybinds right above plus the numbers. Also feels more comfy for me personally to have my fingers in a row instead of uneven.
Hey, u say that "The biggest improvement in me playing outlaw came when I swapped my main damage binds from 1-5." And u playing on MMO mouse, so u swap those key when u dont have MMO mouse or before that u playing only with MMO mouse?. Just an ask fot clarify cause i use MMO mouse too but have a different setup and i dont think is working properly. Thanks you 😁
i swapped keybinds from 1-5 to q,e,r way before i got an mmo mouse. Mouse came months later to save me from the horrible ATL and SHIFT binds
Just a boss. Slay queen
SLAY U
Thank you shantiana! Also hoping our petition will get approved to get our rotation back! 😢
LMAO im kinda ok with how it is now given the amazing cto build
@@shantiana593 yea one into cto and one off greenskin it’s not bad
Legit just ran a dungeon and said why do i do no damage???????? This feels like inception.....
LMAOOO the lord is watching over
The main reason is I dont play Outlaw
I find outlaw so hard
Amazing video , subbed.. please help our poor rogues with that WA /love
ily
So why the name Shantiana? Isn't it like weird asf? It feels like it's poking fun at stereotypical Black Names.
Outlaw isnt hard, but you could also play sub which is even easier and will do way more damage in nearly every key
This is false sub doesn’t do way more damage in every key. If you’re playing sub and outlaw perfect they will either end the same or very very close together and sub dmg is mostly pad anyway so it isn’t that great. Outlaw is not easy and only like 1% of the rogue population can play it perfectly
little more louder pleeeaaaseee))
People that make you pay for weak auras are cringe
Are u dense girl it’s literally in the description of the video
@@shantiana593 the outlaw weak auras are?
@@masonhigginbotham9375 well first I don’t focus on those here and second typically in life when people work hard on something they don’t just give it out for free, if u want a bootleg rogue WA there’s plenty on wagio ❤️i give plenty of my stuff out for free already
@@shantiana593 when I watched you outlaw rogue guide it just inspired me to make my own. Cba to pay for an add on 🤷♂️
@@masonhigginbotham9375 yea 99% of people can’t make their stuff so they take off ppl like me who have it ready to go
QWE to move, adfrgczx 123 as main buttons, 4-0 and Shift modifiers for other stuff, play like this since 2008