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Laying Horses Down- the never-ending debate
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“Throwing one down and laying one down are two different things”
Freaking exactly. First clue that someone doesn’t know what they’re talking about when they can’t tell the difference. Another good one Bret
thank you
Good afternoon
Excelent explanation. When the horse has trust in the rider and himself. It creates a safe zone for both parties. I rope my horses alot weather there young or older and I have just purchased them. When the horses has the confidence in himself and you the rider when things go south in the real world. That horse can help you get out of a wreck before eather of you get hurt. Up here in idaho there's alot of old fences that are down in the weeds so you can not see them. I have had horse get tangled in that wire. Because of our relationship. The horse has stopped moving and has allowed me to cut him free of the wire keeping both of us safe. Thats what I think is part of the end game of laying a horse down building that relationship of trust. Have a good day.
couldn't agree more
I never knew about laying a horse down but I do know that my relationship with my horse changed after he sand coliced and I spent a night with him laying down, getting him up, letting him rest etc. I got him into the vet first thing in the morning and he stayed 24 hours. I think we both knew it was life or death and ever since then he has been my boy. We are a team. Now my kids can climb on him while he is laying down, and the baby goats use him as a parkour feature. He loves it.
wow that's amazing
Yes, the lay down is part of my program. It is good for their mental wellbeing. "Hello, I'm Nancy Slater and you can trust me." All my horses quietly lay down with a voice cue. It's a handy feature when you can't jump on too! Thanks for sharing, Bret!
you bet
a short note. when i was a kid i was the head sitter for the nut cutter. we were as kind as possible even for the snotty ones.. i want to add ,when you let one up, you will see a better colt.. good to see wisdom in one so young. thanks, k
Thank you. It is a very little bit of hard earned wisdom but I thank you anyway.
I love this lecture while on horseback presentation.
Having one that'll lay down makes it easier for short people like me to get on one that is tall if there's nothing to stand on 🤣
glad you enjoyed it
So, like anything and everything in horse training, it all depends. Exactly.
yep, its an art not a science.
Breathtaking backdrop there !
its pretty here
I owned an Arabian that I had to lay down. He’d been spoiled and mishandled. Got him on a debt owed, normally I wouldn’t have had a horse like that myself. And he was still intact and should have been gelded, which I did soon after cause the bloodline threw cryptorchids. I waited until the time was proper, had all the right equipment and a very soft corral. And yes it WAS a matter of teaching submission. He had come from a tough situation and my training was in large part a rehabilitation. I wasn’t real happy with having to do that but it worked and he went on to be a good horse.
I dont always like doing it but it almost always works
Why thank you sir! I am going to have to re watch that video of you laying a colt down cause I have a filly like you mentioned having in Arizona.i appreciate your ability to explain things!
Thank you. I am glad I can help and glad someone can understand my rambling.
Thanks I feel it's a good thing to do this I sold a horse that i taught to lay down and sit and got a thankful message from new owner that he got tangled in fence and stood for hrs waiting patiently to get untangled
wow
Trust the basis for everything!
true dat
I appreciate the clarification .
im glad
2 yr old stud Colt has benefited from laying down. Calm hands make calm horses
@@joelhamilton6720 glad to hear that. Little stallions can benefit from being laid down monthly
Loved your explanation Mr. Davis. I've heard a lot of the older generation of hands talk about ways of things that a lot of people today either don't understand or are fearful of. Could you possibly do a video at some point on the proper method for laying one down safely? Thank you.
There is a series. I think its called the bay colt series and I show the first three or four days of starting one. I lay one down in that one and I think a couple others.
And thank you, Im glad you liked it
@@HorsemanshipAsAnArt Yes sir thank you. I found it after I watched this video. Very good series.
groovy. Thank you@@ashleysmith2109
Very good concepts. Just wondered about your back cinch? You have mentioned in previous videos that you like your back cinch snugged right up. Any reason why it's loose on this horse?
No good reason. I just didn't have it very tight. Everybody fails.
Your back cinch is loose. I watched your saddle fitting vid and you said you do the back cinch up tight. Are you making an exception here and if so then why? Thanks. Also, this is the absolute best description of laying a horse down that I’ve heard. My coach used to lay them down too and it makes a world of difference. His horses were and still are exceptional. He did it when no one was around but I was fortunate enough to be present for one. So damn interesting! I was sent to your channel by Dry Creek Wrangler.
glad to have you here and glad you like the videos. back cinch is loose because I also make mistakes and mess up from time to time
@@HorsemanshipAsAnArt lol. I hear ya!
Good video and explanation , as always. My friend lays them down within the first couple days. I never lay them down. His horses are always better than mine. I think it is because he is better than me at everything else. On another note. I watched you ride that colt . I know you are a very good trainer with a lot of good horses behind you. I have no idea what you were trying to communicate to that horse. Please do A video and explain what you were doing and why. Thanks
I was just riding around talking, I will have to watch the video and see what I was up to then get back to you.
A lot of daylight in the back cinch. Just sayin. Laying down a horse can dang sure be a valuable teaching tool for sure.
yeah that back cinch wasn't doing me much good was it
@@HorsemanshipAsAnArt I just had a razz you a bit. Your Previous video taught me that was a big no no. I do enjoy you sharing your knowledge with us Thank you.
@@travismecham9816 I dont mind. I actually have a reason for riding it loose on the babies.
What qualifications would I need to get hired on the Diamond A?
I assume the Running W technique is a last resort technique. I had a horse that was a half a bubble off that I was unable to lay down and a friend of mine mentioned this technique as a sure fire way to get one laid down. What do you think of the Running W ?
Im not a fan. It works but there are to many variables and it is a last resort on a horse that I dont want to ride
@@HorsemanshipAsAnArt Ya I ended up sending him back to the breeder.
The mic on your camera is fantastic. To have that consistent and clear of volume throughout the video is awesome in this situation. Are you remote mic'ing? or is it attached to the camera?
oh I think I see the mic on his collar. so remote mic.
You're correct, remote mic, only way to cut out all the background
It tickles me that you watch these Brian. Cant tell you how much I appreciate it.
@@HorsemanshipAsAnArt I love the videos. Even though I am 0% horseman. Brett's thoughts on how to do things are quite interesting, I also like to try and learn from various fields to see if I can learn something to apply in other areas.
His point about the horse feeling safe seems quite applicable in other areas.
@@brihno360 that's cool
Looks like your riding for a performance horse program, is your goal to compete someday?
I have competed quiet a bit in my life. I dont really like to but they make me sometimes. I like making them and letting others show them lol. I work for myself now.
My life is a never ending circle of getting angry with the performance world and getting a cowboy job then getting angry with ranches and going back to the performance world lol
@@HorsemanshipAsAnArt working for yourself is a good thing. Make sure you charge all the market can bare, top of the market or right there. A very successful business man told me that when I started in my business. Really enjoy you channel.
@@HorsemanshipAsAnArt The best guys to watch are the cowboys, Matt Koch, Clayton Edsall, etc.
@@Upunda Down the fence they are
Who makes your hat?
stetson. Open road 5x $220
That’s what I thought it was. My dad always rocked the short brim. Real good in the wind.
Love the channel, great perspective and content. I have been watching this channel from the start.
Keep up the good work.
Laying a horse down is ok for these nickel and dime sissy horses, but you start that with a 100k race horse you won't be breaking them long.
Well say what you like, I have layed down more race horses than most people have ridden. Truth is I have never ridden a race horse that cheap, 100k, most of the the flat track horses I have ridden were derby hopefuls.
@@HorsemanshipAsAnArt Cool ,How many millionaires have you started? Have you started or finished any AQHA champions? Do you train quarter race horses as well ?
If you got the names of the derby hopefuls ,we can look them up in the Bloodhorse. It would be neat to see how they do. In the long run it results that keeps that client list full.If you just have the dam's name and the year foaled we can see how they are doing.
I rode for Callumet, Win star, Gulf Coast, Dream Walking, and a few odds and ends for Lucas and some others, none were in training with me so I never knew the name of the horse. Cow town Cat is the only horse I can remember and the last horse that Jonny Jones won the all American with, I never knew his name. Anyway It has been at least 12 years since I stepped on a race horse so anything I ever rode has been long retired. I dont really keep up with it anymore. I never rode any brush track horses or cheap horses, I hear they suck. I only ever rode for big farms. I owned a full brother to silver Charm the 97 derby winner, he was named Silver Legacy and had a bad crooked leg. I used him in Nevada to catch Mustangs@@johnphillips2396
May not have been the last time he won the All American but it was the last one I know of in the 06-12 years I dont remember because I never cared.