Taylor 114ce vs Yamaha A3M Comparison
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- Опубліковано 17 чер 2018
- Looking for an amazing acoustic-electric guitar that won’t break the bank? Alamo Music Center might just have solutions for you! Our own Chris McKee is pretty stoked about the Taylor 114ce and the Yamaha A3M; and he’s going to discuss the differences between the two. Both guitars play and project wonderfully, but you might find that one suits your sound and needs better than the other. Enjoy the video and please subscribe as we always have more waiting for you!
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I have a Taylor 214 CEDLX....I love the guitar, but I also own a Yamaha LW15. The two guitars have totally different sounds. With that said, it comes down to whether you enjoy the brighter sound of Taylor 114ce or the more balanced sound Yamaha offers with the A3M. In addition, the Yamaha A3M is all solid wood. I give it to the Yamaha A3M. I think theses two guitars are worth having.
I own a Yamaha A3R and sounds amazing for the price. The quality construction is incredible too
Great job as usual Chris. The Yamaha sounds so much better. Fuller, richer, more balanced and seemed more responsive.
Great video. Just played both of these at the store and bought the Yamaha - mostly for the full solid wood build and the coloring. (Incidentally, I haven’t seen any video or pictures of the Yamaha that does justice to the color and finish on the sunburst version. Much prettier in person.)
In any event, both guitars sounded quite similar live and unplugged. With background noise in the store, it was hard to do a careful analysis, though. That said, both of them had a noticeably richer, fuller sound than all the other guitars we played in the same price range, including a few Martins, Breedloves, and other Taylor models. It was interesting, the AC3M and the 114ce really stood out from the other models. My friend, an accomplished cellist (played stringed instruments competitively since he was 5 yrs old, music scholarships, and all that), had the same opinion.
Obviously, much depends on the style of music you like and like to play. A cellist might naturally be drawn to the sound of a guitar that sounds more like the noise a cello produces.
Fwiw, we also played the Taylor GS mini Koa at roughly the same price as the AC3M and the 114ce. Not totally sure what all I was expecting but it sounds like (and is) a significantly smaller instrument. Very nice to play and definitely has a good sound. But after watching/listening/reading so many reviews on the GS mini, I did expect it to produce a bigger, fuller sound.
Perhaps the lesson, here, is don’t buy online. My cellist friend thought I was crazy even thinking about buying online without listening to the exact instrument I was buying. Lol
Mine looks way better in person too. I think they vary.
Thanks for this series of videos ... really nice and useful !!!
You are welcome!
Always interesting to see people's opinions. So often around 50/50. Seems to be a matter personal preference
Tried the Yamaha a1m at guitar center and it sounded really good. I imagine the a3m all wood version sounds even better. The A1M had alot of punch and clarity!
I was so mad after I played a ac3r after playing an ac1r. Because I couldn’t take it home with me 😂
I had the A1M and thought the same thing. Purchased the A3M and I was not impressed. I tried changing the nut and saddle to both bone and Tusq along with wooden bridge pins. Didn’t make much of a difference.
Yamaha has the over all balance sound. The low on yamaha has more definition vs the taylors muddy, boomy low bass sound. I'd prefer the yamaha for over all clarity and balance sound.
Agree. I own a AC3M DLX. Love it.
Um it has more bass because its a dreadnot of course its goong to have more bass. Get 2 of the same body then a whole different story.
I have the AC3M and it's a fantastic guitar. Out punches it's weight class for sure. Having said that though, I think I'm going to buy a Taylor next time I'm in the market to buy something high end. Taylor has an amazing sound and their form of neck join makes for insanely simple neck resets, which is something that is eventually necessary on any acoustic guitar.
We Americans can be fickle. The Yamaha is the superior instrument in this demo. It's more resonant in the mids, more detailed in the lows and neck and neck with the Taylor in the upper range. The Taylor is a beautiful instrument and would be a joy to own as well.
I have a 1979 Yamaha 815 Country Jumbo and it is and has been my goto guitar for years. Solid wood top, sides and
Yea, I wish it had been made here in the US but bottom line is, it sounds so good that she's a keeper for the duration.
Thanks for the Demo and confirming my experience with my Yamaha. I am sure there are other models where a comparable Gibson, Taylor or other models would have had the edge.
Yamaha is rocking the acoustic guitar world. Love it!!! The Yamaha A5M will blow you away💪🏼
A very useful comparison. Both instruments sound fine. Oddly enough, the Yamaha has more of a traditional 'American flat-top' sound than the Taylor, to my ear.
Taylors always sound more treble heavy to me. Martins are usually more "mellow" (or "muddy" depending on who you ask!). The Yamaha is a good middle-ground, covering it all very well to me. This yamaha sounds more trebley than a Martin but more balanced than a Taylor. Every guitar has its place - I like the sound of all of them
As a rhythm, high range singer Taylor's sound just doesn't work. Need that bass and fullness to counter. Still, Taylor makes great stuff.
Balanced and well spoken bass and pronounced treble sounds with a great Eq preamp. The feel on your hands is great. Easy to change to different and difficult chords. Easy to move around the neck and even for songs that required you playing down low. AND ITD SOLID WOOD
I feel like the yamaha has a much fuller sound, and you can hear more of a balance of the trebles bass and mid notes in my opinion, but the Taylor is still amazing no doubt
I don’t see one better than the other, they’re both beautiful instruments. As in most cases, it’s simply personal preference. Thanks yet again Chris for a wonderful review!..
I agree, they're both nice guitars to look at but for sound let's just be honest, in a blind test how many would choose that Taylor... Exactly!
Taylor has a richer tone and sound to it
Great playing and video, the Yamaha sounded better any that’s what I would have wanted to buy.
You can easily tell which one he enjoyed playing more. Yamaha has really stepped up their game.
Yamaha makes world class pianos so its just natural they would put a lot into their guitars. If I bought a Taylor it would be one of the 200 series. Beautiful playing of two nice guitars.
I liked the Taylor for the finger picking portion and the Yamaha for the strumming portion.
Clearly different sounding guitars which is great and both sound awesome.
To make a decision on which one to buy, i guess its a matter of taste and present needs. No need for arguments about guitars :)
informative video Chris. I recently got to play a Taylor 324ce. A guitar I've been wanting to purchase. The neck felt Thicker than what I'm used to which propelled me into researching neck widths and thickness on popular acoustics and how that affects playing. Not knowing if You've already addressed this, I would be nice to see you speak about this perhaps using Alamo's popular models as a comparison and your own thoughts. Thanks!
I have a very hard time telling them apart. They both sound very good, I would give a very slight advantage to the Yamaha but I would be very happy playing either one.
I’ve played them in person. Owned the A3M and sent it back within 2 weeks. It was way too quiet for me even after adding bone nut and saddle. Everything better about the Taylor 114ce…note clarity when picking or strumming, better bass, better playability and all. I even have a cheap Kepma acoustic with a cheap Kepma Acoustafix guitar preamp inside that sounds better than the Yamaha’s SRT electronics did through my Fishman loudbox artist amp. I really wanted to like my Yamaha and was originally biased towards it.
Great post! thanks
The Taylor seems more focused and articulate. The Yamaha has a wider range very broad and full.
Strictly personal, blond or brunet kinda thing besides Chris would probably make any guitar sound good.
Wow! I have a 110 C for sale now lol
Amazing guitar playing good sir!! Very much enjoyed that more than the shoot out. 👏👏👏👏
Yamaha winner I got a APXT2 mini electric acoustic it's beautiful for the $179
Bought the yamaha a3r. Really great guitar. I bought it for a studio guitar when I or others want to record vocals and guitar together and want isolation between the 2. It really sounds natural when recorded plugged in. Great stage guitar as you don't have that normal quack sound from most undersaddle pickups. I have 25 or more guitars and would buy this again in a heartbeat. In person there is no true comparison between this particular Taylor and the Yamaha. Yamaha takes it.
I bought the A3R last year and returned. It had too bright and trebly sound, high pitched. Did you feel the same way? Is it the strings that make it sharp sounding? It gave a shrill sound while playing chords or flatpicking.
@@Gman44044 it definitely has less bass than most, more Taylor like. I use D'Addario coated and they sound good but they created it for recording and stage so that's why it has a more subdued bass, to control feedback. If I could only have one guitar I probably wouldn't choose it but for recording and stage it's great.
My favourite was this… soft playing wow so nice. Very clear. When you play hard, articulated and clear!! For the most part No mud!!
Just the comparsion I needed! Yamaha bought!
Yamaha guitars are really amazing guitars in turns of their built and playability and their prices start really low which are still great sounding and really good for both beginners and advance players alike. Moreover, they can also become expensive and very competitive with other and more popular higher-end guitars but they can still keep up well with the quality and overall performance...!!!
Outstanding for gigging so you don't ruin those 3k Martins, and Taylors.
The Taylor sounds like it has a more focused mid/low range. The Yamaha sounds like the highs are more pristine with a lot more warmth and balance over all. In this demo I easily vote Yamaha...
I have an 114ce and I love it, above all the acoustic sound.
Taylor 114ce for me!! I actually just purchased this Yamaha A3M thinking it was better than the A1M the I previously had but the A3M is actually quieter. But does have an overall good bass to it. But the mids seem too thin and too shimmery for me and didn’t have good note articulation IMO like the Taylor 114ce. Note: on the A3M I’ve tried replacing the nut and saddles to both tusq and bone, wooden bridge pins, Elixir Phosphor Bronze strings and still sounded too weak! I picked up the Taylor 114ce at a Guitar Center and noticed I didn’t have to strum it as hard to sound loud. It was FAR more playable (to me) chording, fretting, finger picking than the Yamaha A3M. The Taylor IMO didn’t need any tinkering or tweaking (changing nuts, saddles etc) and sounded better too! Sent the A3M back in the return period and now getting this Taylor.
Similar to my experience
Taylor’s sound so fantastic, but Yamaha’s great also, hope someday could having one of them
Would be great to know the microphone you're using to record these acoustic examples. Nicely done.
Superb comparison video! How about one between Sire R7 and Yamaha AC3R/AC3M (Both being in the same price range) ?
For the price ,both of these guitars sound really good. The Yamaha seems to have a slight edge.What type of AMP are you plugged in to, I'd like to see you demo the electronics on guitars like these .
Check out the review of Yamaha AC3R electronics variations.....ua-cam.com/video/EVh4IDyOqDg/v-deo.html Pretty interesting. I believe it's the same product. French titles but you can figure it out. I am trying to purchase a new guitar in this price point and am stuck on Taylor 114CE and the Yamaha AC3R. Didn't get to play the Yamaha yet though. Like others have mentioned, I preferred the sound of the Taylor 114CE over the 214. It is definitely a personal preference.
I’ve spent last four months trying all brands......I bought Taylor and this is why!
Taylor as some character sound that i really like, Yamaha for the build quality!
I watched/listened to this video....it solved a dilemma for me......I went out the next day and traded in my Taylor 114 ce for the Yamaha A3r.....I have other Taylors. .Hard to let go of the 114..it is a really nice guitar at that price.......but I just had to have the rosewood.....whole other ballgame....
I defintely prefer the sound of a taylor. I love the clarity and the ring. I will say the a3m has a much warmer sound and is probably more dynamic because of that
Not even close... Taylor has a great name and a good sound but who are we kidding here, that Yamaha beats that Taylor hands down. ✋️
@@jzznup8664 u can’t tell someone that their preference is wrong if that’s what they Iike that’s what they like and their allowed to have that opinion
@kaleb stief You are so right that you may have missed the fact I was simply expressing my own... btw, blind tests are the way to go and I'm yet to see anyone on the tube dare to put Taylor vs Yamaha ac5r blind test. And it's not likely because when there's no name to impact opinion, only sound remains.
Hi Chris, What is the song you playing here? Is it a version of a hymn? I own a A3M and love it, but the Taylor 114ce sounds absolutely beautiful too. I would buy the Taylor in a heartbeat. thanks for posting.
I have a 114ce and wow I am BLOWN away with the Yamaha. (Still wouldn’t trade my taylor in tho!!)
How is neck and playability on the newest Yamaha series? How would it compare to Martin PA series?
Wow, great options
What is the first sound your playing please I love it
tried Taylor, Alvarez and Yamaha guitars at this approx price point a few weeks ago. I bought a Yamaha A3R, because the pick up system just sings joyfully when put through a clean, flat, wide frequency range amplifier system.
The A3M is more guitar than most people would ever need in terms of premium materials, solid construction, and sound. $900 doesn’t seem cheap, but for what you get I think you have maxed out quality for price. I was blown away testing it out compared to $2-4k guitars. You can often find them in great shape used for $500-700 which is insane for what you get.
I ordered the AC3R the concert version yesterday and I am still wondering if I will be missing out on the premium japanese AC5R... But I got mine on a 25% discount new at around 990€ while the real price new is around 1200-1300€ for the AC3R and 1900-2000€ for the Japanese AC5R so around a grand less then the Japan version.
@@SmoothToast39 I think you chose well. If you had bottomless cash, sure, the Japanese AC5 has slightly nicer finishes, but did not feel much different when I played it. The main difference in price is where it’s made. With modern machining, “made in China” no longer means low quality. Some Chinese factories, including Yamaha are producing amazing guitars and the customer gets to benefit from the cheaper price.
@@thomaskeller9758 Thats great to hear, do you feel like swapping the nut and saddle for a TUSQ material would mean something in the long run?
@@SmoothToast39 Only if you felt like modifying, which can be fun. My A5M didn’t feel like it needed anything out of the box. Nut feels fine to me, but I guess that is the only place they skimped in terms of materials.
@@thomaskeller9758 A3M you mean, You wrote A5M? But if thats the case and the material is fine (urea or whatever they used) if it ever gets damaged I will put TUSQ nut and saddle, only problem is don't know how to get an original hardcase... would really love one but can't find them in the EU.
Beautiful playing! What song are you playing at 7:26 ? Would love to take lessons from you :)
I love yamaha acoustic guitars. But i have to admit it sounded kinda compressed when played in comparison with the taylor which sounded big and open. Both guitars are great.
Could you do a comparison between Yamaha A series vs their L series? Also what songs do you play for these reviews?
L is better
Is it really relevant to compare a Dreadnought with a Grand Auditorium ? I think the difference in sound comes mostly from these different kinds of guitar, rather than the brands.
Before the test I closed my eyes, put on my Superlux HD668B studio headphone and start listening and only open up my eyes to see when I feel the sound come from the best guitars, and it was Yamaha., it still maintain clarity and auditory composition while resonating nicely.
Nice comparison!! I will take Taylor 114ce. I like smaller body size and body depth is really important for me to play how it is comfortable. I like sapele more nevertheless discontinued. I wish Taylor will reproduce 114ce sapele.
Can't go wrong with either. I think they are two different animals though. My love for Yamaha goes back to the 70's. I've had an FG six string and two 12 strings. Wonderful guitars. Even at the $200 mark, Yami's are impressive.
That being said, I just got home with my new 114CEW and it is stunning. Never have been a Taylor guy. I strummed this particular guitar about a week ago at GC and it turned my head. Strummed an open E and others in the room turned around. I came back every day this past week to make sure my ears weren't playing games. GC knocked them down to $750 and 36 months financing. It was too good to pass up. Taylor's just have a distinct sound. Martin is the King still in my book but way out of my price range.
Good to hear your thoughts on Taylors coming from a respect for the Yamaha Acoustics. I'm looking at taylors also. I like their Acoustics with spruce top / mohagany back-sides for sound, but the neck on their 314ce felt too thick to me. Any thoughts on that versus your yamaha's ?
Taylor is nice, bright tone would match vocals of very high range. The overall projection is clearly in favor of the Yamaha. I'm more attracted to the mid and low range. Both are excellent instruments.
Depth goes to Yamaha......but there's something about Taylor's bright sound that talks to me loudly....that voice has made me by a number of Taylor guitars....picked up a mini bass today
On everything he played I thought the Yamaha sounded better. However, when he played the blues, I thought the Taylor had a brighter sound which was more bluesy than the Yamaha. So, I guess it depends on what type of music you're playing.
I agree the Taylor is very punchy which lends well to blues playing imo
LOL I just bought the 114ce this very day my friend....I thought the Yamaha had a better sound here. Still, I am so in love with my Taylor.
Hey i am having trouble findind yamaha am3 online? Can you tell where i can buy it ?
I currently own a Taylor 114 CE nice sounding guitar but I don’t think it’s any match against the Yamaha.
I like them both. Two great guitars!
We agree wholeheartedly!
Buying Guide link to Dropbox is not working!?
Thank you for the video. Could you please compare Yamaha red label FS5X and Yamaha AC5R
Yamaha all the way, Taylor makes an outstanding guitar no doubt, but in this particular comparison Yamaha wins, in my opinion
Solid wood beats laminate back and sides. The Taylor sounds good, but the additional resonance and depth in the all-solid makes a difference in all the brands. I'd like to see a comparison of the Yamaha A5 versus, say, a Taylor 314 and/or Martin 16-series.
@@drewdavis2392 exactly. I don’t think this is a balanced comparison since that Taylor is not all solid wood.
Two different sounding guitars but it would be the Yamaha for me.
Epiphone masterbuilt dr 500 MCE is better than Taylor114 ce, Yamaha A3M Sir ?
Proud owner of a Yamaha A3M. It’s my favorite guitar for the past two years. I’m a bit biased, but in this video I think the A3M sounds more “full” the 114ce. The A.R.E. wood treatment that Yamaha uses gives the guitar better resonance right out the box
I just got the A3M and returned it. After trying a bone nut and saddle and wooden bridge pins. It was way too quiet even when strumming the living daylights out of it. Went to GC and tried the new walnut back and sides Taylor 114ce and was blown away by how much better it sounded (strumming or picking) than the A3m was. The playability and action is far better too with the Taylor. Also my cheap Kepma acoustic with a cheap Kepma brand preamp sounded way better plugged in my Fishman amp than the Yamaha SRT electronics could deliver.
@@jasonkennedy2348 sometimes it happens. Sorry to hear about your experience. The A3M has a “warm” tone, or what is audibly quiet compared to rosewood guitars. The A3R, is made from rosewood was probably what you were looking for. Or perhaps just a higher quality brand in general. But I do stand by my word that Yamaha is still quality. I’m sure out of the thousands of guitars they manufactur, a handful of them have to be defective and I’m super bummed for you 🙏🏽
@@Bryan_Lion Those are kind words. Thank you. I probably should’ve gave it more of a chance. I really wanted to like it. It just didn’t have that sound after changing to Elixir Nanoweb Phospher Bronze (my standard for strings lol). It wasn’t bad tho. Maybe in the future if there’s a good deal on one I wouldn’t be opposed to an A5M or an AC5. Enjoy the A3m I’m sure it’ll be a long lasting guitar.
Both wonderful guitars at this price level, and whilst sound can be very subjective I think most players would go for the Yamaha on sound .... It's difficult to compare as the Yamaha is all solid woods, and if the Taylor had all solid wood then it would be a much higher price point. Value for money and sound it's Yamaha ... maybe the Taylor has a different feel and is easier to play. I wouldn't say no to either! Great review as usual
What song is that at 7:05?
What about playability? Is the action on the yamaha as low as the Taylor?
Fair comparising shoud be between Taylor 114ce and Yamaha AC3M. A3M is a Dreadnought size body guitar against a Grand Auditorium, closest to Ac Yamaha body. Anyway. love both guitars
Yamaha has a smoother, warmer sound, but the Taylor seemed to have more distinct string voicing. Probably want both but would buy the Yamaha first.
Rosewood
Hmm... ...Could've pitted the AC3M against the 114ce. Not sure why the mic was moved further away (off-axis) from the sound hole for the Yamaha (which is one reason the Taylor sounds louder even tho' you'd expect the dread to have more volume). Finally, why not give us a chance to hear the pickups?
Almost stopped by your place last week. Hopefully, next time I’m in town!
Please do! Tons of new guitars hitting the floor daily!
Nice demo. But when you're talking about guitars with more premium pickups as opposed to basic piezos, a direct plugged-in demo would make it more helpful. I want to hear which one can sound the closest to its natural, unplugged tone through its onboard electronics.
I own a Yamaha A1M perfect sounds❤️👍
for me the Yamaha sounded more even and the Taylor was "thumpy" on the bass end.
How about a few simple strums?
he doesnt know how
I have a yamaha fgx730sc and a taylor 114ce
They're both amazing for different reasons.
For home playing and dynamics the taylor is my favorite
Gigging live i like the yamaha with medium strings (for what i do). I like the pickups eq board, i can really dial in how i want to hear myself despite the locales board set up.
The taylor is magical though
Love the sound of the Taylor better. That's the true sound of the modern guitar imho... Perhaps some of the sound difference is actually the shape? Grand Auditorium sound is so fresh
Yeah I was thinking the same thing.
Then why does a higher end Taylor sound more like the Yamaha?
Yes dreadnaught and grand auditorium. Dreadnaught has more bass while grand auditorium has crisp high notes.
@@Renaldo015 They are actually very close in size because different companies size their guita4s differently.
You may lose some tone with a Taylor, but it is hard to beat for the string balance and smooth playing neck.
Yamaha sounds fantastic!
all solid with treatment at this price.
yamaha will get even better as time goes on.
yeah this is a very easy decision to make no doubt.
I have owned a Tobacco Sunburst A3M for just over 2 years, i feel like I needed a change in sound (my playability is outstanding with a good local set up).I just tried the Taylor 114CE in store, I can attest that the Yamaha plays way better (granted the action was higher on the Taylor in store). The Taylor does have a different sound but honestly I prefer my Yamaha to it and won't be changing
Yamaha all day; thank you for this comparison
It's really hard to compare since they are distinct in shape. But I like more the Yamaha. And Im a fan of dreads.
Huge fan of Yamaha, and Taylor , I just bought a Taylor 114ce .. honestly it is super comfortable to play, ... It really depends on what you are doing .. the Taylor is a little brighter, but it does seem to lack some of the depth the yammy has ... It really depends on what you wanna do .... Either one could beat the other out on different varieties of style you apply, Both excellent guitars ..
What is your thoughts in regards to the Taylor 114ce and fingerstyle guitar
@@0409isaac so far i think the Taylor is excellent for finger style ! It has that bright sound, so every note comes out really clear . And keep in mind that it is a 900 dollar guitar, so it's not going to sound crappy. It all depends on what you can afford .. the 114 is worth the money in my opinion.
Should have compared either two dreads or two grand auditoriums.
I've played both, and although they are both excellent, I'd buy the A3M first.
Really getting a lot of great feedback for this video. The A3M is indeed a stellar instrument.
I would only but all solid wood at that price point. So the Taylor would be out.
@@ramspencer5492 you would be outing a very good guitar for superficial reasons
@@thejgod4982 I've played that Taylor. It's nice, but it doesn't feel as big as a good solid wood offering. Nothing wrong with it. It feels like a mid-range guitar. The Yamaha was more full and big sounding. Taylor makes good guitars..... But they don't really take off yet in that tier, IMO
@@ramspencer5492 Fair enough, was just saying you shouldn't dismiss something because it does not have solid back and sides, rather you should dismiss it because you tried it and don't like it like you said
this is hard, i like the neck and body design of the taylor, but the yamaha sounds more clean to me, but the neck piece really matters to me and im stressing out on which one to buy
Is the wood on the Yamaha will still age or it won't because of the ARE treatment??
Yes it will still age forever because it's all solid even with the top are treatment
Both great guitar.
Taylor 114ce is better if your more to fingerstyle playing and want a modern sound .it sound is so detailed and by the way i was just playing it earlier .
Yamaha a3m is your more to singing and jamming with friends coz it will blend in like a harp ..
Both guitars playability and action are good.
Thats just my opinion.
4 years ago , I have both guitar ..now I only have yamaha and sold the Taylor... I'm in love with the yamaha Japan made guitars
Which one is the most versatile?
I'm surprised how much warmer and fuller that yamaha sounded, blew the Taylor out if the water, do yamaha have a Japanese made version of that yamaha?
Woww mann.. i want to learn guitar from you
This is a hard one. I don’t care for the Yamaha body but I love the solid wood and heat treatment. I prefer the Taylor’s sound and overall look.
I liked Yamaha nice guitar
any Taylor I've ever tried under about $1200- $1400 sounded tinny to my ear ( that one is not quite as bad-maybe because of the walnut as opposed to sappelle ) The Yamaha has much nicer bass response - and best all round tone.
Why did you compare a dreadnought (A3) body with a Concert body (114ce)? Of course they sound so different,should have compared the Yamaha AC3 R or M instead,does not make any snese this way.
The overall size of the taylor is not the same that the yamaha. Its not a Concert size, its bigger
@@renerguez Yamaha AC3R and Taylor 114ce are "basically same size",while the A3M IS a Dreadnought...make peace with yourself.
You said they're aimed at a specific type of musician. Did I miss the part where you said who that was?