What to Do if They Sign Union with Rome?
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- Опубліковано 1 сер 2024
- Pascha of 2025 is approaching, when (supposedly) an Union with the Rome shall be sign. In that event, should you continue attending your local church if they support the Union?
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When Union doesn't happen: "See, we opposed it so much that they didn't dare sign it!"
Like a clockwork, every year.
Here, in the US, 2025 has been a date for about 2yrs now.
Catholics are expecting it. It's coming from them and rumors among GOARCH.
The Cheiti Agreement on Synodality and Primacy September 2016 was the first public step, supposedly.
@@brotherbrovet1881 inshallah 2025
“He That Is Not against Us Is with Us” (Mark 9:38-40)
@@brotherbrovet1881 There will be no union.
Unfortunately, the union has happened. It's just how to break the news to the people.
Once the world Orthodox recognized and likewise implemented forms of Latin Baptism in the High 90% in the Balkan countries, overtly since the 1960's. They recognize Rome, and hold open prayer's in the highest level.
As Archbishop Averky of Jordanville (+1976), foresaw and forewarned, the time is coming when stating that you are 'Orthodox' is not enough, since the SO-CALLED Orthodox have nothing to do with the Faith of the Fathers. The term True - Orthodox will be used by those who are faithful and obedient to the true Faith.
“‘They’re going to sign a union with the Catholics’ is the Orthodox version of the rapture.”
That was gold 😆
It’s already signed!
“If the Ecumenical Patriarch joins with Rome, he becomes catholic and we get a new Patriarch!”
-some Greek Orthodox bishop or priest or monk I forgot who
This is how most people in Greek-oriented Orthodox Churches actually feel about criticisms of the EP and such, unlike the caricatures
No, when the Greek patriarch changed the calendar, those who opposed got arrested or deposed.
This event splintered the Orthodox Church, because the Greeks co-celebrates Christmas with Rcc not the original Orthodox.😞
@@gritsteel3225all of Mt Athos got arrested? I don't think so. The politics of Greece is a very tricky thing.
Irrelevant informercials during this video
As a Catholic allow me to clear my Orthodox brethren of any worries, there is no way the vatican could get something this big done in two years, we sometimes take longer than this choosing a new pope.
This has been decades in the making!
It's been in the making MANY years now. Today, Nicea 2025 officially got announced by Vatican
Union with an unrepentant Rome is bad whether it’s next year or 100 years
@@basilmakedon The papacy is correct and filioque aswell
@@rass4609 they are! but not in the way the Catholics define them. Papacy is true, but he's not an infallible super bishop that can be judged by no one. Filioque is true, but not in terms of hypostatic origin, which was the context of the original clause regarding the procession of the Holy Spirit
I am a former Catholic who became Protestant and now am Orthodox. I think the doctrine of papal infallibility and the supremacy of the papacy made Rome virtually impossible to commune with. Almost every other theological conflict could be resolved through an ecumenical council, but Rome has unfortunately set herself up as already dogmatically correct. I would love to again commune with my Catholic friends, but it will literally take an act of God to make it happen again.
That stuff is bleeding new. The Catholic Church at the Council of Trent was way different, totally just a normal church.
You have left the seat of Peter and fallen out of communion with Christ’s Church. Please return to the Church Jesus founded.
seat of Peter belongs to One Holly Catholic and Apostolic Church - know to you as Orthodox Church ..from the other hand Roman Catholic Church has nothing to do or in common with the see of St Peter ...patriarchal see of rome was in communion with Orthodox Church but they were kicked out a 1000 years a go ...so learn your lesson @@hildegardnessie8438
@@hildegardnessie8438 Go to orthodoxy, that is the church that Christ founded.
@@bigger_mibber6029 only St Peter was given the keys, and his seat of authority was in Rome. The other apostles exercise the power to bind and loose as an extension of Peter’s authority.
Metropolitan Kallistos Ware said a reunion would be a miracle of the holy spirit but he didn't think it would happen this side of the second coming.
I knew him personally and I am sure that his thoughts are correct.
Technically it was signed at the council of Florinia Florence, which lead to a big revolt from the faithful laity and the clergy other than the bishops who signed it. The bishops who signed were run out of town by their faithful flocks who only accepted the bishops back when they repented.
If I remember correctly the fateful priests after Florence Florence place themselves under St Mark of Ephesus or other bishops who rejected the union. Canonically presbyters and deacons can brake communion with a bishop who is openly preaching heresy although he is supposed to appeal to the synod for the bishop to be corrected or replaced and once the synod moves to act the faithful priests are moved to be under another bishop in lue of a new bishop being appointed or the one who has fallen repenting.
The last thing the Orthodox Church needs to attempt to union with an unrepentant Rome all it would achieve is more schism and pain in communities already struggling with the calendar and other parts of church politics. What the Orthodox Church needs is for all her children to mind their own business and to focus on repenting rather than speculating on sin (repenting is always a safe thing to focus on and the only thing I wish to concentrate on).
Yes.
Translation: the bishops of the Church made a decision with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, but lay people revolted and the bishops stood with man instead of God.
@@TheCrusaderPubincorrect. Bishops, like all of mankind, are prone to err from time to time, usually from political pressure, which Rome has used against the Orthodox Church since the very beginning of the split. What happened to the Serbian Orthodox were a great example of this during the 20th century.
@@jamesdiluzio9906 oof, accidentally invalidating your own tradition is tough to do, but you pulled it off.
@@TheCrusaderPub Those bishops were effectively threatened into what happened at Florence
Catholic here. My thoughts:
1. We can't even get Easter on the same date. What makes anyone think we can agree on anything other than basic things?
2. Bishops having good personal relationships with one another does not mean they will have good ecclesiastical relationships.
3. The only people I see who want this to happen on the Orthodox end are people who detest Constantinople so much that they are looking for any excuse to feed their distaste regardless if it is found in actual reality.
4. Don't quote me on this, but I think the Pope and Patriarch of Constantinople signed an agreement in the 60s about not trying to regain communion bit-by-bit because. If union happens, it will be because the whole church decides to submit.
I am not losing sleep over this. Somehow even if deluded elements of the hierarchy go ahead, they will never be able to bring it back to the faithful and make it stick. That is not how Orthodoxy works. Those of us in the narthex have far more power than we realise provided we live up to the teaching of Holy Orthodoxy.
He nailed us with that Rapture thing
I think it might happen if the Belya situation goes worst-case-scenario and brings more churches into opposition to the Ecumenical patriarchate, that the EP attempts Unia. In which case the patriarchate’s holdings are likely to split apart rather than completely defect.
This won’t be “the big one.” It wouldn’t even be Florence-tier. It would basically be the Melkite Situation just in Constantinople and the Greek Diaspora
Welcome back! How was vacation
Defend the faith to the end.
Orthodoxy or death!
I became a Orthodox catechumen this year was baptized protestant
Как это? Решились стать православным и крестились в протестантизм?!
Это взаимоисключающие действия!
Bring the unity on.
I am recent convert to Orthodoxy from Roman Catholicism.
God bless you!
God bless you before and after, prayers for unity.
Legit, legitimate, legitimacy, legitimately 😅 you got the point across 👍🏻
🎵🎶In the land of loving loving,it is lovely to be loved 🎵🎶
If EP joins with Rome,
I’m going to listen to my priest, but I’m pretty sure he’d just condemn the EP. I don’t know I’m a catachumen
I am too!
Guys for your information this topic is very very simple yet has taken a lot of time to come to this realisation. All of the fathers have told us exactly what we need to do when he arises within the church from time to time and this is reiterated holy cannons, if you want to learn more, please advise.
@@amykim6838unless one can no longer follow one’s bishop (shepherd), one should follow him & one’s priest.
@@traceyedson9652 guys false union with Rome has already occurred make no mistake, the holy cannons are very clear along with all of the holy fathers as to what needs to be done when this occurs. Because we are approaching the end we need to stick with pure orthodoxy taught by the fathers the church and the cannons. The 15th Canon must be enacted happy to provide all sources for you. the example of the holy fathers is what we follow and if anybody goes against the Scriptures the fathers and the cannons we pronounce anathema
Regarding the Filioque controversy, if both churches agree with "proceeds from the Father through the Son", would it be acceptable?
No
Yes, because of the Son's promise.
@@emperorjustiniani8158can you explain why?
Only if understood at Pentecost. In Eternity, no.
@@silvio1894
What promise???
The union of the two Churches will happen if the most of Christians want it. There are already some mariages between Orthodoxs and Catholics. We have to be patient for this event and pray for it.
Wait, is this no longer Bible Illustrated Hands?
.....hands
where do you sent the ideas?
I have also noticed the type of people who fearmonger about the possibility (or supposed inevitability) of reunion talk about almost like they want it to happen. They hate the EP and/or GOARCH already - in some cases calling them outright schismatics because of Ukraine or whatever other reason - and seem to just use this issue as another way to grind their axe (and like most who make anti-ecumenism their raison d’etre, will conveniently ignore the way Middle Eastern Orthodox make reasoned overtures of unity with other Christian denominations because they have to for survival).
In any case, such concerns are unfounded. If the EP wanted to reunite, he could probably do it tomorrow if he wanted to. Why wait over thirty years into his tenure?
If the excommunications were lifted technically both should be in communion. Geo Politics
It's not that simple, since Charlemagne was made emperor he effectively created Catholicism as a means of feudal control over the lands that were conquered by the Franks in Europe. That was the first major divergence from Roman/Greek Christian Orthodoxy and there has been no looking back from the West ever since.
Canon 15 of the Council of 861 would probably come into effect in this situation.
I agree
I have no doubt that Bartholomew would love to make this happen, but he knows how isolated he already is among Orthodox patriarchs and bishops over his uncanonical meddling in Ukraine. No one outside of the Ecumenical Patriarchate would accept such a union, which means in the U.S. it would only impact GOARCH and the other jurisdictions under the EP. The entire Holy Mountain would break with him and seek to come under the Church of Greece.
Dear Brother and Orthodox and Catholic Brothers and Sisters in Christ, 'who knows the mind of the Lord? Who may give him advice?' There are many ways to our Unity before (as you think) a formal Union! One of these is maybe first an "informal" conversion of heart and spiritual unity! Veritatis Missio
With Rome, with the maronites, malabars, syriacs, coptics (true patriarchs of Al and An)
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Ill wait until 2050 for the real union
Damn, but what if Rome changes its stance on stuff? Earlier this year the Vatican released a document that agrees with Eastern ecclesiology, even with regards to the role of the Pope. Of course, if it is just the EP reuniting with Rome as is, then that's messed up. But if Rome yields with regards to the role of the Pope, then I'd say it's a fair adjustment. I pray for the reunion, but truth be told I doubt either part would simply yield completely to the demands of the other. I think that if it ever happens, it'll be under the shape of a mutual compromise of some sort.
Servant of God Onion is my favorite orthodox commentator
I’d like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony…🙃🎵 🎵 🎵💕
As a Roman Catholic I have a question: Could both churches agree to allow their members to receive Holy Communion in each
other's churches? I know that I can at least attend an Orthodox Liturgy to fulfill my Sunday Obligation if it is necessary. THANK YOU.
unfortunately not, the Roman Catholic decision is not reciprocated and there is no concept of 'obligation' in Orthodoxy. There are massive differences regarding the understanding of Holy Communion: the fasting regulations for adult Orthodox are so strict most Orthodox only commune during the fasting seasons, also Confession must happen prior to every Communion. There is also the small matter of infant Communion which makes no sense on the RC understanding of fitness to receive but which is a given in Orthodoxy. Also, technically as a non-Orthodox you should, if you respect Orthodoxy, leave the service before the Creed as the Liturgy says, though nobody enforces that now.
No. The Eucharist is a sign of union not the means by which union is achieved. To receive the Eucharist is to proclaim belief in all the dogmas of the Holy Church, which have been shaped through the Holy Spirit.
That's in roman Catholicism (they have no problem as long as the church is apostolic) but in orthodoxy, there should be a true union (in terms of beliefs)
What happen to my comment? Did you not get the link I sent Bojan?
Nope! It is very risky sending links, because sometimes it goes to 'review' section, sometimes it disappears altogether! Send it as a reply here (and hope I get notified :D)
@@BanterWithBojan Thanks for Replying. I forgot exactly what the Linkswere so I will Try instead to ask a brief Question. I am a Catholic, and have at one time looked into Orthodoxy, and really like your videos. What I found interesting in this video, was how you defined it as a grey area for an Orthodox Priest to disobey his bishop. You also called the Council of Florence a False Council. It seems that the main objection you have with union is the Filioque. What I can't seem to understand is this grey area that you speak of, as the Council of Florence was approved by the Eastern Bishops, then rejected latter as false. Also there was a time before the schism, where the Eastern Church were well aware that the Western Church used the Filioque, yet they were still as one church. I would cite the youtube channel Reason and Theology hosted by Michael Lofton as one of many good sources who talks in regards to this issue.
As a Catholic, I've never heard of this before
I follow the teaching of St Theodore, a papal emissary, on the Filioque, namely that the Holy Spirit proceeds indescribably from the Father and the Son (as a single entity). I think that is how St Bede put it. Up to you if you won't let me receive Holy Communion in your church. I made my First Holy Communion at St Bede's RC Church in Jarrow.
Hello my fellow Catholic Brother!! God bless you!!
I follow the teaching of the Church; namely that the Holy Spirit proceeds indescribably from the Father ALONE in Eternity.
@@marcokite Read the church fathers. The creed doesn’t even say from the father alone.
@@marcokite The teaching of St Theodore was ratified at the Councils of Lyons and Ferrara-Florence. It has never been overruled at any Council attended by English delegates.
@@luisrios3446
Does the original creed include anyone else?
In 1965 Patriarch Athenagoras of Constantinople and Paul VI lifted the mutual bans of excommunication from each other's churches. That means that Athenagoras recognized Roman Catholic theology as "orthodox." Did anyone break from him then? Yes, a few, but by and large no one was scandalized enough to leave Athenagoras. In 1969, the Moscow Patriarchate and the Vatican signed an agreement to recognize each other's sacraments and, under certain circumstances, permit their faithful to commune in each other's churches. That means that the MP recognized RC theology as "orthodox." At that time, the OCA recognized the MP as mother church in exchange for their autocephaly. In 2007, the ROCOR accepted the MP as mother church. Seven years ago, Pope Francis and Patriarch Kiril met in Cuba. They declared that they had the same theology and called each other "sister churches." Did the pope become Orthodox? No. That means that Kyrill confesses RC theology as his belief. Whatever they sign in 2025 will be a moot point. The damage is already done, and few care about it.
I hope for Union between our two church. Both sides needs to stop being stubborn and work out a compromise
Legitimate. It's just like 'leh-jit-UH-met' but it's 'leh-jit-uh-MATE'. Not 'accurate and true' but ' made accurate and true'.
Much more than theological adjustments. There is the recognition of which saints are true to Orthodoxy.
Greek old callenarist foresaw this coming 100 years ago
How many Orthodox bishops would need to sign this, individually? 387? If a council was planned, somebody would be talking; it would be like herding cats.
I live in a country with a lot of Catholics and a lot less Orthodox. A union might make it easier for me to get a date.
If every Bishop had to agree on something to make it official, neither Orthodox nor Catholic would have a single dogma.
Selling out the faith so you can get woman, absolutely pathetic
@@NavelOrangeGazer I think he was kidding. Play nice.
I think union is important but both sides especially the catholic side would need to compromise
I pray that we will accept each other as we are rather than requiring each other to repudiate our history. that cannot be the path forward.
Whether the Filioque is true or not is not the same as whether the chant is Byzantine/Russian or Gregorian, nor as whether the mitres are soft and pointy or firm and crown-shaped. It’s an actual doctrinal difference of serious significance, which impacts the nature of the entire Trinity. A different Trinity is a different communion.
@@senorsiro3748 wrong
@@gandalfthegreatestwizard7275 According to the Orthodox criteria, it absolutely is significant.
When the history of Catholicism is an abject rejection of the Roman Christian orthodoxy that had preceded it in history, it is very difficult to simply think that one can be reconciled just because. Catholicism exists and has always existed as a system of control.
I’m so sure Jesus would be ecstatic that his Holy Church is ripped apart because of semantics…..🙄🙄 this renders us all powerless in the world compared to our full potential in case anyone doesn’t realize it…. we all know by now that “and the Son” was added to fight a heresy that was spreading, it wasn’t about flexing Papal muscle, and of course there’s more silly tit for tat issues that we all use to destroy Christ’s Church BY OUR OWN HANDS….
Does like your church authorities ever try to correct you,or do you have their blessing for you to do this?
Was never corrected, I have the blessing of my spiritual father to do this :)
@@BanterWithBojan O yes, Interesting. Have been following you for quite some time and in the meanwhile became orthodox myself few years ago. God bless.👍
As a Catholic I can say this doesn’t seem very realistic and yes it basically is a version of the rapture 😅
They wont dont worry ;)
I mean what are the odds
There is no way that happens with the current Catholic Pope, who is a flaming communist. It would have to happen with someone much more traditional that's willing to drop filioque & let the priests stay married. This isn't impossible but it's very unlikely. It depends on what the Catholic Church is willing to reverse and embrace from orthodoxy.
the Gospels, the Acts of the Apostles, these advocate for a sort of proto-communism, maybe read your Bible instead of criticizing the bishop of Rome (who is quite willing to allow married priests, and in 2014 did away with a stupid rule that purported to prevent Eastern Catholics from ordaining married men as priests in the diaspora)
Calumny.
@@gandalfthegreatestwizard7275The scriptures don't advoate for "proto-communism", that's a rediculous claim altogether.
@@IrishEagIe
And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
There's a big difference between sharing one's stuff with the community, and the government taking one's stuff, ostensibly to share it with the community. They need separate labels; maybe communalism and Marxism?
It seems you advocate against your priests. You dont really believe what St Ignatius of Antioch said.
Well done for pointing out that the Filioque is the main heresy. Everything flows from that.
Well, you have two choices. Continue to break apart, since you're already divided like the ptotostants, or accept Peter's authority, as did the saints. The Mohummedans kept the Orthodox from coming back to the Church.
How can there be a dishonest union? I’m not rabid traditionalist, but I fail to understand the importance of the mere formality of “communion with the pope” while different theologies are permitted? This isn’t communion; it’s suzerainty.
@@traceyedson9652 how is Christ instituting the papacy be of a mere formality?
I'm surprised the filioque is still being used as an excuse, when most people can read and have easy access to Scripture and the Church Fathers. This guy is advocating in disobedience to your priests if they dont do what he wants. What does that tell you about him and his theology?
I am a life-long practicing Roman Catholic.....age 77. There are DOZENS of times I have felt like walking away & joining the LCMS!
Rest assured the Catholic Church is SO institutionally fouled up, we barely get along among ourselves.....and don't get me started on this present "bishop of Rome!!!"
This side of the Second Coming, there will NEVER be lasting "UNION" between the Catholics & Orthodox. Hell will freeze over before
that happens. There are way too many GENUINELY GOOD PEOPLE and genuine NUT-CASES on both sides to make such a union genuinely POSSIBLE.
What a fun snack of practical realism! Lol
Dear Brother in Christ, Jesus HIMSELF said: “He That Is Not against Us Is with Us” (Mark 9:38-40) What does this mean??? for Greeks, Romans, Russians coptic to fight amonst ourselves to be supreme in HIS - JESUS cHRIST, THE LORD -view of the world. As a Roman Catholic, I cel;ebrate the Easter tradition, Holy Communion and pray: Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinncer. I do NOT pray to the Catholic church, but with the whole of Christianity, as we call it the Orhodox Communion of Christs body, which includes the Roman Church. It is so sad that: “He That Is Not against Us Is with Us” (Mark 9:38-40) cannot bring us together. Why should your Church not keep attending you Church services. there is no need for a devils advocate in any of this. We are the ministers of that truth of Jesus Christ. I have prayed with Orthodox as a Roman catholic and feel just as welcome as I am in my own Roman Catholic church. I pray for this union, if the Almighty is against it, we will know wont WE. My prayers for your ministry handed down from the tradidtion of Saint Paul and Peter and all the Disciples of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
How do you explain the change of the calendar that was made legitimate.
This was the first step towards union with Rcc.
Then we had the lifting of the excommunication. What changed to lift the excommunication?
Co liturgy with Rome which is a blatant opposition to the Apostolic Canons?
So why do you think the next step is not coming?
It’s only a matter of time!
It will never happen. Having good ecumenical relations is not the same as union.
@@thebalkanhistorian.3205
It’s already happening!
Can the Truth yoke with the untruths?
When it is confessed that all paths lead to God. That is stating, the One God has many truths?
One God, One Truth.
@@gritsteel3225 I’m not disagreeing with that, yet your hate for Constantinople means in no way that they seek union under Rome.
If Rome signs a union it should do it with all the orthodox Churches not only the Church Constantinople. Because All the different orthodox Bishops run their own Church.
Moscow would never sign!
Theology is not the problem. So long as the Catholic church does not insist on Papal Supremacy and RC dogma then I don't see a problem. However I think that is unlikely. They would certainly insist on Papal Supremacy at a minimum.
If Union happen, it's that mean Orthodox Liturgy and Theology will be change to Roman Catholic Liturgy and Theology ?, does Patriarch will be remove and replace by Pope ?
Yes absolutely and every orthodox saint sill be abolished and they'd require rebaptism of every orthodox then liquidate any unruly orthodox priest
99% not. It probably would mean a reciprocate recognition of legitimacy and, most importantly, the ability to concelebrate the sacraments, but the liturgical practices would remain the same.
Regarding Orthodox DL, No...the proof is that there are currently 23 Eastern Catholic Churches with married Priests, no Filioque and Orthodox DL.
Your liturgy will be unchanged.
Basically, what it would mean is that your Church would recognize Catholic dogmas and beliefs as valid, such as the Pope being the supreme head of the Church and being incapable of publicity teaching heresy.
No, the church would just require you guys to recognize the dogmas as not heretical and then you’re good to go
We will never submit to heretics!☦️
Why would this be bad?
I think you will find this in the comments
@@innerpullbut why couldn’t Holy Spirit proceed from the son? If both God the father, the Holy Spirit and the son are one.
@@aaronbarreguin.4211 Because it doesn''t, Christ even said that the Holy Spirit proceeds of the Father. The Church Fathers would have included it if they didnt think it was heretical
@@emperorjustiniani8158 what do you mean?
@@aaronbarreguin.4211 Your logic is that if the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father, then He must also proceed from the Son (since they are one). But this reduces the Holy Spirit, because the Father and Son share something that the Holy Spirit doesn't. Also if the members of the Trinity share everything, should we say that the Son is begotten of both the Father and Holy Spirit? Does the Holy Spirit proceed from the Holy Spirit? And this is because the logic of the Filioque is convoluted
Technically the union of the Churches was decide in the 15th century, but nobody cared xD
No. Nobody ACCEPTED it. So, if no one accepted it, then what kind of Union was it? "I got married to Suzie last week. Well, she did say no when I proposed, but we really got married in my eyes!"
I very desagree but very desagree ! In the time of Jesus even the Jews had differents groups with differents biliefs so a union won't change the name of the Church neber
regardless nice st george in the back
It will NEVER happen.
He recognized the North Macedonian orthodox church, idc what that old bag of bones does but his decisions are definitely pushing me away from this religion
If there is union with the Catholics, I will join the Old Calendarists, the ones who are not in communion with the New Calendarists.
....or Moscow
The Genuine Orthodox Church is one that I don't have much of a problem with aside from their fundamentalistic views regarding the old calendar, I see them as somewhat similar to those in Catholicism who have a strict adherence to the extraordinary form of the mass.
All roads lead to Rome. Matthew 7:14“Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.”
When a future Bishop of Rome becomes Orthodox then - and ONLY then will 'all roads lead to Rome'
@@marcokite I prefer the narrow way. Amos 7:8And the LORD said unto me, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A plumbline. Then said the Lord, Behold, I will set a plumbline in the midst of my people Israel: I will not again pass by them any more:
if we continue like this the union will happend after 2 coming of Christ...you dissapoint me bojan i thought you were more open
I am not open to heresy.
the act of charity does not require you to compromise the truth
also the catholic church is free to join orthodoxy at any time your comment is one sides 🧐
We can have a Greek Orthodox Pope. 👁👄👁
That's what a patriarch is
@@alexanderthegreat3591 But like, a *super* patriarch.
MANY UNIONS WITH ROME WERE BY PAST AND WE HAVE THE SAME RESULT REJECT THEM IF THERE IS A NEW UNION REJECT AGAIN
THE UNION WITH ROME WILL EXIST ONLY WITH ONE REASON IF THE POPE BECOME ORTHODOX IN THEOLOGY AND REJECT ALL THE WESTERN HERESIES
The Roman Catholic Church will have a Schism in 2023 or 2024 as the Synod on Synodality pushes through changes.
Switch to Russian jurisdiction.
All jurisdictions are fallen into heresy and have a apologised. There are only very few left. That are not the other ones that you need to follow in the tent as the Russian saints having informed us to do.
Apostasized
@amykim6838 it is not a jurisdiction that sins, it's persons. The church and her affiliations are judged by the church body or councils, not individuals. Saints do warn us of problems that we are to fix.
I do not believe the pope is the vicar of god or has extra special powers like infallibility . I am catholic . I do believe that , like in the original church , he is first among equals as an honorary title and that title should have a blessed and appointed by a vote as the bishop of Rome . Each group can have their own traditions , end the filioque , set the Easter date so both always celebrate together . After that figure out the stratification of the lower offices so former Catholics and orthodox can visit churches of both together to show unity
Also the filioque is not a heresy
It was condemned by BOTH sides in the 8th century. You can thank that stupid Arian sympathiser Charlamangne for reintroducing it
No changes are to be made to the Nicene Creed. Eastern Catholics don't say the Filioque when they recite the Creed. Heck many want it removed.
@@siervodedios5952 because Mother Church does what she can to respect dfferences in rite.
All based on hate, greed, and power! We are “one church”, East/West, but in our flesh, with a load of help from the evil one, we continue the longest running ungodly feud ever! Shame and sinful Roman Catholic Church and Orthodox Churches! Our fight actually brought about Protestantism! ☦️✝️
Join Rome is what to do
Does truth have any commonality with falsehood? No it doesn’t therefore union is impossible without Rome repenting of its sins and returning to the true faith. Prior to the schism and prior to its innovations
@@amykim6838 Thats nice, if "orthodoxy" was true. But it is bsd on faulty interpretations, ethnophyletism, false "holy" cultures, relaly bad tkes dividing the church fathers into unnecesssary divides( filioque, original sin, purgatory,etc are all found among the Church Fathers), no care even for the original Byzantine theology,etc.
The falsehood isn't with Rome.
@@thegamephilosopher2214 Faulty Interpretations? Where do you get such nonsene from. Each apostate has his own interpretation. ALl of the heresies have been condemned by each Ecumenical Council. The true Church works synodically not a one man show at the Vatican.
@@amykim6838 You are giving a non-argument. "Its nonsense" followed by everyhing else you said is not a refutation of anything I said. Faulty interpretatins indeed, and as a Photian heretic, you should know the most faulty of them all was Photios, Heresiarch of Constantinople
@@thegamephilosopher2214 My friend stay in your apostatised and heretical state. Unfortunately since the apostasy of Rome it is graceless. I pray that you return to proper consciousness and return to the original Church not a schismatic anathematized group