Good clip! I've done the same thing to my Fishcat. What you need to do is to make a few holes in your box.That unit needs to be cooled (hence the holes on the housing)if not it won't last long!
Looks great , love the idea but aren’t you concerned about it overheating? The holes in the sheet metal are for heat dissipation and you have it in an air tight container which it needs to be but it stops any heat from dissipating.
@@mylesstandridge1111 Doesn't "really" have to be air tight. I use a PC fan on mine and can go full throttle for hours without overheating. It's still shielded from water. I need to make one of these videos but I'm just too lazy. I LOVE my baby pontoon, lol.
Will, Good video, useful tips but it's Pulse WIDTH Modulator. The PWM chops up the D.C. current into various "widths" of conducted electrical current segments from 0%- no current conducted (OFF) to 100% fulltime conduction(FULL SPEED)
So I see a lot of fans in box's do you have one and do we nee done in idahh. I fish MUCH of the s a me water that you do , I use a fly rod but still out in the same heat and cold. THANKS for your help rob
That's a great question. One person had commented that I should have venting holes in my fancy sandwich box due to heat. The next time I was out I regularly checked to see if it was getting too hot. It never did. Hope to see you out there!
Pontoon boats are awesome and very flexible. I modded my xt in a very similar fashion with batt/emotor/ff/sidescan. Lake fishing sucks in these boats. I undid everything. These boats really shine with simplicity. Drift fly fishing, micro skagit style. Read the river. No fisffinder garbage. No heavyass motor/battery. No registration. Use your feet with fins and oars. River runs only. Best style of fishing. No offense. If you want to bass/whatever fish on stilllwater, get a bass boat or kayak.
put the pwm into a larger box with some offset ventilation, heat is your biggest enemy. a fan won’t use much power but you could just add heatsinks if you want.
I run my M-K off a Rebel LiFe battery with a bluetooth connection to my phone with an app that allows me to monitor battery activity (life, discharge rate, etc...). Setting 1 and setting 5 DO NOT draw the same amperage- not even close. I don't know how the switch works- but if it wasted the extra 300watts between (setting 1 vs 5) the head unit on the trolling motor would feel like a small space heater. Otherwise, thanks for the video as I'm looking to integrate a PWM.
I love the idea of a bluetooth. The battery indicator on my box stopped working so now I'm going to have to figure something else out. You'll love the PWM. It's awesome for trolling.
@@willritter the LiFe batteries are pricey but they're lighter and carry more usable energy... and then, yeah, bluetooth so you don't get stuck with the paddle of shame.
Thanks for the video, I have a Minn Kota C2 40 and at F1 it draws 6.6A, F2 it draws 8.3A. It's definitely inefficient, but it's not drawing the full amperate (@1A/lbs). Perhaps you can do a clamp current measurement when it's at F1 F2 and F3 then you might see something similar as I've seen.
Thanks for the info! I've suspected that perhaps the info I repeated here was not as extreme as I initially heard. If I was responsible I wouldn't have actually measured the current before opening my mouth! haha. Either way, the PWM is the way to go.
i have another question Will, I have the same trolling Enduro motor... it has 10 gauge wire to the battery from the trolling motor... do you need to use 10 gauge from the PWM to the battery as well?? Thanks for your help..
estimado buenas noches, muchas gracias por el video, te hago una consulta, con el regulador de velocidad, funciona una vateria de 80 amperes, lo soporta este modulo mas alla que lo que dice en Amazon que es hasta 60 amperes, no entiendo bien eso, gracias
hi I have same setup. but when I tested in the water: I have problem:. how to you control or change the direction? you have to use one hand to hold the handle to control the direction, and another hand to control the speed? (before you just use one hand on the handle to control direction and speed) if could put this PWM inside the head, use one hand to control speed and direction. would be perfect. please advise. thanks
Thanks and love your channel name. I'm not sure the gauge. I salvaged it off another broken trolling motor. I recommend using the same gauge as the stock wire from your existing motor.
hi can you help me i installed a PWM on my electrict motor for my kayak and it has reduced the speed, i have the same one as you used, and have built the same way but it reall has gone slower,
Brilliant and terrifying. Just got a mavic mini too. Next video has my first drone b-roll and it was so fun! I have a very good friend from Saskatchewan, thanks for your encouragement
Hi...great video. My only question is how did you make the actual connection to the PWM. The screws are so small when trying to use any kind of 10awg wire connectors. Did you just wrap the wires?
Hey...should have listed to your "order 2" tip on the PWM. So now I'm ordering 2 more from your link. I have another question for you.....using the 14 gauge from the trolling motor to the PWM I can wire it directly. I ordered so soft coated 10 gauge blk and red wire, so is it ok to use that from the battery to the PWM or do I need 14 gauge like the trolling motor? Thanks for all your help.
You're good as long as you don't go smaller than the stock 14g that came with your motor. That wire is sized to handle the current needs of your motor A 10g wire can hold a lot more amps than a 14g.
Thanks Philip! It does get warm, but not hot. If you look up the pwm on Amazon, it will list the items people also buy, which includes a waterproof box. While it lacks the classiness of my setup, it probably offers more protection and breathing room
Thanks for these videos. RE the hookup of trolling motor wire to PWM, the PWM connections are so small and so close together I haven't figured out how to connect the multi-wire leads (are they 6 or 8 ga., not sure?) from the Endura 40. I am ordering another PWM which appears to have larger connections with more space between them. 10 gage is probably smallest wire I'd use. Connecting 10 to those beefy lines will still be a problem. Comments?
Well, the stock wires for my 30 worked for in the specific pwm I have. I checked the wire size for your application and I think your right about keeping the 10 gauge. I would just make sure to solder the connections as they run a higher risk of slipping off with those sizes
@@willritter I have that concern as well. To connect 8 odd wire to a connector that size is a little concerning. Is there a picture by chance that you took when connecting the wire to the connector. Oh yeah your videos rock. A lot of great mods. My Colorado is coming next week. Cant wait to mod the @*ll out of it. Will be sending pics your way when done.
@@willritter that’s great to hear. I just got mine and haven’t taken it out yet and it’s been worrying me of how long I can be out for. Without the PWM, people say you only last 2.5 hours on #5 directly wired to the battery. Thanks for the video and response!!
@@_Lt__Dan_ a battery meter is invaluable. The battery box I use has a simple push button. It's good to know when you're getting low so you can plan accordingly. Blessings and merry Christmas
Everything is just as it is out of the box. Run it just like if it was on the back of a normal boat. It's always running on speed 5 forward. PWM does everything else
I just order a NEW 12V 24V 36V 48V PWM DC Motor Speed Controller Reversible Switch 6A Regulator, on the back it has motor + and motor- and battery + and battery -, of the wires that go to motor whar one do I use, I have a minn 34
@@willritter So all you do is hook up your power leads for the motor that you would normally connect direct to the battery to the pwm, and power from battery to the
So is this mod giving you the same functionality (longer battery life) as the minn kota digital max models while using the less expensive minn kota motors? If so thats great I have an older 55lb thrust minn kota endura with the standard 5 fwd and 2 reverse control.
Motorized pontoon boats like this are extremely squirrely, in the wind on stillwaters. Not recommended. Been there done that. No offense. Just my experience with xt.
The belief that trolling motors use the same amount of power on lower speeds is an old wive's tale and 99% false. The remaining 1% of truth in that belief is the fact that some power is, in fact, wasted as heat but no where near all the power that would have otherwise been delivered to the motor. When you add more restriction to the flow of electrical current, you naturally will flow less electrical current which is LESS POWER being drawn from the battery.
That happens because they never measured power draw... And believing in everything that everyone talks about is a mark of foolishness. I'm not sure that every brushed motor uses a resistor to reduce voltage to the motor. At some point even Minn kota started advertising their brushed models as more power efficient. How did they manage to do that? Maybe they switched from resistors to mosfets or other buck type converter? I'm not sure, I never disassembled mine. Also people do not understand fluid dynamics and think that choosing a 10% duty cycle causes 10% speed.... Which is not true. At some points there will be zero speed below lets say 25% of motor power because of propeller properties. That is why these motors have only 3 speeds in reverse. The propeller is less effective running in the opposite direction. So level 3 may be the same max power value. I see only one point to run these pwm controllers if someone decides to use 2 motors in parallel... Or if you need remote control, or diy gps anchor setup. As an electronics engineer i consider this setup as too junky for small inflatable boats for no real purpose better add 50$ to lifepo4 battery. Also why are these controllers so huge? Look at rc hobbyist ones, i bet you will find much much smaller ones. If you want to be effective, choose brushless motors instead. Haswing has not expensive models with brushless motors. But then again brushless will emit much emc noise and may cause interference with gps, if both devices use the same power supply.
Good clip! I've done the same thing to my Fishcat. What you need to do is to make a few holes in your box.That unit needs to be cooled (hence the holes on the housing)if not it won't last long!
Looks great , love the idea but aren’t you concerned about it overheating? The holes in the sheet metal are for heat dissipation and you have it in an air tight container which it needs to be but it stops any heat from dissipating.
You can use a fan from an old desktop PC. They work great.
@@mylesstandridge1111 Doesn't "really" have to be air tight. I use a PC fan on mine and can go full throttle for hours without overheating. It's still shielded from water. I need to make one of these videos but I'm just too lazy. I LOVE my baby pontoon, lol.
Will, Good video, useful tips but it's Pulse WIDTH Modulator. The PWM chops up the D.C. current into various "widths" of conducted electrical current segments from 0%- no current conducted (OFF) to 100% fulltime conduction(FULL SPEED)
So I see a lot of fans in box's do you have one and do we nee done in idahh. I fish MUCH of the s a me water that you do , I use a fly rod but still out in the same heat and cold. THANKS for your help rob
That's a great question. One person had commented that I should have venting holes in my fancy sandwich box due to heat. The next time I was out I regularly checked to see if it was getting too hot. It never did. Hope to see you out there!
Pontoon boats are awesome and very flexible. I modded my xt in a very similar fashion with batt/emotor/ff/sidescan. Lake fishing sucks in these boats. I undid everything. These boats really shine with simplicity. Drift fly fishing, micro skagit style. Read the river. No fisffinder garbage. No heavyass motor/battery. No registration. Use your feet with fins and oars. River runs only. Best style of fishing. No offense. If you want to bass/whatever fish on stilllwater, get a bass boat or kayak.
put the pwm into a larger box with some offset ventilation, heat is your biggest enemy.
a fan won’t use much power but you could just add heatsinks if you want.
I can't wait to share my pontoon mods this spring. You're going to like them and I can't believe that nobody is posting these yet.
I run my M-K off a Rebel LiFe battery with a bluetooth connection to my phone with an app that allows me to monitor battery activity (life, discharge rate, etc...). Setting 1 and setting 5 DO NOT draw the same amperage- not even close. I don't know how the switch works- but if it wasted the extra 300watts between (setting 1 vs 5) the head unit on the trolling motor would feel like a small space heater. Otherwise, thanks for the video as I'm looking to integrate a PWM.
I love the idea of a bluetooth. The battery indicator on my box stopped working so now I'm going to have to figure something else out. You'll love the PWM. It's awesome for trolling.
@@willritter the LiFe batteries are pricey but they're lighter and carry more usable energy... and then, yeah, bluetooth so you don't get stuck with the paddle of shame.
Cool project! Though it works a little differently than you explained but the results are what you intended a reduction in wasted power.
Thanks for the video, I have a Minn Kota C2 40 and at F1 it draws 6.6A, F2 it draws 8.3A. It's definitely inefficient, but it's not drawing the full amperate (@1A/lbs).
Perhaps you can do a clamp current measurement when it's at F1 F2 and F3 then you might see something similar as I've seen.
Thanks for the info! I've suspected that perhaps the info I repeated here was not as extreme as I initially heard. If I was responsible I wouldn't have actually measured the current before opening my mouth! haha. Either way, the PWM is the way to go.
Pulse width modulation (PWM)
Hello good morning friend this PWM is useful for a 1000w 15A 90v motor of my electric motorcycle weighs 60kg greetings from Colombia
I don’t see your description of this part number anywhere some comment or mentioned that to just look at the description where is this?
Is there any heat issues when it's in the Tupperware?
Nope
i have another question Will, I have the same trolling Enduro motor... it has 10 gauge wire to the battery from the trolling motor... do you need to use 10 gauge from the PWM to the battery as well?? Thanks for your help..
Absolutely
resistors to slow down the motor, now thats interesting haha, proper upgrade! ~nice pontoon
so bizarre right???!!
Liked. Thanks. May I ask what lbs thrust motor you use, and if you tested the max speed for that motor on still water? Thanks.
estimado buenas noches, muchas gracias por el video, te hago una consulta, con el regulador de velocidad, funciona una vateria de 80 amperes, lo soporta este modulo mas alla que lo que dice en Amazon que es hasta 60 amperes, no entiendo bien eso, gracias
Has anyone tried to install a water speed pickup for their sonar on a personal toon?
Another awesome video! Thank you!
Got thoughts about going for a 50-60 Ah Lithium?
I think that's a possibility
Can this work on a brushless motor?
hi I have same setup. but when I tested in the water: I have problem:. how to you control or change the direction? you have to use one hand to hold the handle to control the direction, and another hand to control the speed?
(before you just use one hand on the handle to control direction and speed) if could put this PWM inside the head, use one hand to control speed and direction. would be perfect. please advise. thanks
do the amps make a difference on the minnkota C2 30lb, can you use a 40A PWM or is a 30A recommended??
bigger the better
Awesome video man with a great sense of humor.
What gauge wire did you use??
Thanks and love your channel name. I'm not sure the gauge. I salvaged it off another broken trolling motor. I recommend using the same gauge as the stock wire from your existing motor.
How do you step-down the connectors to connect the battery and motor cables to the little connection screw-portals on the modulator?
I found some auto connectors that could accept the wire yet had a small enough business end to for the modulator
How do u know what amp size to by for a 30 thrust old sears trolling motor
Hi Rick, the link I provided will take you to the appropriate sized controller for your motor
hi can you help me i installed a PWM on my electrict motor for my kayak and it has reduced the speed, i have the same one as you used, and have built the same way but it reall has gone slower,
The trolling motor itself must be at Speed 5 (wide open)
Salut... How you made u seat turn 360°.... I don't have idea.... Nice videos u made.... Very nice... Tnx 4 answer... Sory for bad English
You need to purchase a boat seat swivel and 4 stainless bolts, nuts, washers to attach it.
When are you going to install drone platform? Enjoying your show. Darhl....Saskatchewan
Brilliant and terrifying. Just got a mavic mini too. Next video has my first drone b-roll and it was so fun! I have a very good friend from Saskatchewan, thanks for your encouragement
Hi...great video. My only question is how did you make the actual connection to the PWM. The screws are so small when trying to use any kind of 10awg wire connectors. Did you just wrap the wires?
Correct, wrap and tighten very very well
@@willritterthanks...love your videos
Hey...should have listed to your "order 2" tip on the PWM. So now I'm ordering 2 more from your link. I have another question for you.....using the 14 gauge from the trolling motor to the PWM I can wire it directly. I ordered so soft coated 10 gauge blk and red wire, so is it ok to use that from the battery to the PWM or do I need 14 gauge like the trolling motor? Thanks for all your help.
You're good as long as you don't go smaller than the stock 14g that came with your motor. That wire is sized to handle the current needs of your motor A 10g wire can hold a lot more amps than a 14g.
@@willritter Thats what I thought...thanks
Great video and setup. Does the pwm get hot at all in the high tech case?
Thanks Philip! It does get warm, but not hot. If you look up the pwm on Amazon, it will list the items people also buy, which includes a waterproof box. While it lacks the classiness of my setup, it probably offers more protection and breathing room
What gauge wires did you use to go from the battery to the box? Length? Thanks in advance!
I salvaged wires off an identical (though broken) motor. Not sure what the gauge was
I added a link in the description for you
Thanks for these videos. RE the hookup of trolling motor wire to PWM, the PWM connections are so small and so close together I haven't figured out how to connect the multi-wire leads (are they 6 or 8 ga., not sure?) from the Endura 40. I am ordering another PWM which appears to have larger connections with more space between them. 10 gage is probably smallest wire I'd use. Connecting 10 to those beefy lines will still be a problem. Comments?
Well, the stock wires for my 30 worked for in the specific pwm I have. I checked the wire size for your application and I think your right about keeping the 10 gauge. I would just make sure to solder the connections as they run a higher risk of slipping off with those sizes
@@willritter I have that concern as well. To connect 8 odd wire to a connector that size is a little concerning. Is there a picture by chance that you took when connecting the wire to the connector. Oh yeah your videos rock. A lot of great mods. My Colorado is coming next week. Cant wait to mod the @*ll out of it. Will be sending pics your way when done.
What kind of run time do you get? What size battery?
I've gone all day and only got to half. The biggest everstart deep cycle that walmart carries
@@willritter that’s great to hear. I just got mine and haven’t taken it out yet and it’s been worrying me of how long I can be out for. Without the PWM, people say you only last 2.5 hours on #5 directly wired to the battery. Thanks for the video and response!!
@@_Lt__Dan_ a battery meter is invaluable. The battery box I use has a simple push button. It's good to know when you're getting low so you can plan accordingly. Blessings and merry Christmas
@@willritter merry Christmas to you too!!
I ordered all the same stuff you use but two different ones burnt up the second I installed them
Right, my first one burnt up as well. The other ones been working for three years now. Weird stuff
One more. Did you have to run you motor in reverse or reverse the controller arm? I see your motor handle is pointing aft.
Everything is just as it is out of the box. Run it just like if it was on the back of a normal boat. It's always running on speed 5 forward. PWM does everything else
I’m expecting my unit to arrive on Tuesday. Do those switches come with the PWM? Or did you have to buy them separately?
Will this work on any minn kota or just the c2 5 speed
Not sure Kelly, but I would only do this on trolling motors that have no extra electronic features.
I just order a NEW 12V 24V 36V 48V PWM DC Motor Speed Controller Reversible Switch 6A Regulator, on the back it has motor + and motor- and battery + and battery -, of the wires that go to motor whar one do I use, I have a minn 34
you can mess me on FB please
How did u hook up the pwm to the trolling motor head. You did not mention that.
You just use the wires coming out of the trolling motor direct the the pwm
@@willritter So all you do is hook up your power leads for the motor that you would normally connect direct to the battery to the pwm, and power from battery to the
Oops....got cut off lol. And connect battery to pwm. Leave motor on 5 and everything is now controlled through the pwm?
Exactly
I have a 60a pwm controller in a box for 4 years with no purpose until today.
LOL, that's why we don't throw things away...."I might need this someday." Very cool
So is this mod giving you the same functionality (longer battery life) as the minn kota digital max models while using the less expensive minn kota motors? If so thats great I have an older 55lb thrust minn kota endura with the standard 5 fwd and 2 reverse control.
Perfect
You didn't actually show us the connection to the trolling motor. Does it just hook up in a series? No special connections?
Hey Robert, The stock wiring from the trolling motor connects directly to the controller. Yes, it's in series and no special connections.
soy de Argentina, Mendoza
THANKS will I will t r y it at salmon and MAGIC as so as I am set up hope I see us. ROB
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍🙋♂️
Motorized pontoon boats like this are extremely squirrely, in the wind on stillwaters. Not recommended. Been there done that. No offense. Just my experience with xt.
The belief that trolling motors use the same amount of power on lower speeds is an old wive's tale and 99% false.
The remaining 1% of truth in that belief is the fact that some power is, in fact, wasted as heat but no where near all the power that would have otherwise been delivered to the motor. When you add more restriction to the flow of electrical current, you naturally will flow less electrical current which is LESS POWER being drawn from the battery.
That happens because they never measured power draw... And believing in everything that everyone talks about is a mark of foolishness. I'm not sure that every brushed motor uses a resistor to reduce voltage to the motor. At some point even Minn kota started advertising their brushed models as more power efficient. How did they manage to do that? Maybe they switched from resistors to mosfets or other buck type converter? I'm not sure, I never disassembled mine. Also people do not understand fluid dynamics and think that choosing a 10% duty cycle causes 10% speed.... Which is not true. At some points there will be zero speed below lets say 25% of motor power because of propeller properties. That is why these motors have only 3 speeds in reverse. The propeller is less effective running in the opposite direction. So level 3 may be the same max power value. I see only one point to run these pwm controllers if someone decides to use 2 motors in parallel... Or if you need remote control, or diy gps anchor setup. As an electronics engineer i consider this setup as too junky for small inflatable boats for no real purpose better add 50$ to lifepo4 battery. Also why are these controllers so huge? Look at rc hobbyist ones, i bet you will find much much smaller ones. If you want to be effective, choose brushless motors instead. Haswing has not expensive models with brushless motors. But then again brushless will emit much emc noise and may cause interference with gps, if both devices use the same power supply.