Short version: Even though he very clearly existed at the time, Kion and his team were hundreds of miles away at the Tree Of Life during the events of Lion King 2
I propose we see it as a "reverse Pokémon" situation: the movies happened in the canon of the Lion Guard, because clearly the timeline fits, but the Lion Guard didn't happen in the canon of the movies, because in a world where dead characters speak to the living all the time and where animals can have magic powers surely some giraffe druid would have dethroned Scar while Simba was growing up.
And he then left to take care of The tree of Life he went away.You gotta watch the whole show I was also confused but it made so much sense in the end.
Lion King 2 was made 17 years before the lion guard. That is why Kion and everyone else was not in The Lion King 2. The producers of the lion guard did an excellent job of fitting the show into the continuity of the franchise. And Vitani was kovu's older sister.
Right. Vitani was the first lion guard leader that wasn’t the younger sibling of the heir to the Pride Lands not to mention the first one not born into royalty.
The entire lion guard was just made to bring it back, including Kion, but! The writers were definitely smart enough to know how to write the story as if it seems like Kion would of fit in with the lion king 2 story. So cuddos to them for the good writing work. I would love to see actual movies or series expanding on more of the lion king
@SimbasGuardWT That's not true, The producers may do a good job on it trying to fit with the second lion king but unbeknownst to you and the lion guard fans why many older lion king fans (Including myself) don't like it and they're saying that it's not canon to the second because of zoology errors (Particularly some of the animal habitats including the gorilla inaccurate habitat the infamous theluji mountains due to their lack of research), plot holes, writing, the animation and the confusing storyline.
Yes they definitely made kion up for lion guard cause otherwise I don’t think they would wait 17 years to introduce him to lion king universe but I still view lion guard as canon
Makes sense because The Lion KIng 2: Simba's Pride was released back in 1998 long before The Lion Guard was released in 2015 althought in "Return To The Pride Lands" the final episode of this series were Rafifi, Kovu and Kiara retold the story of Zira's down fall but they didn't explained Nuka's death at all.
Yea, I don't think they really worried about Nuka. For kids watching the show, he was only a comic relief character from 2 seasons ago. If you really cared about Nuka, and what happened to him, you would just watch the movie. And since you know Nuka died, I assume you watched the movie. After all, what would be the point in wasting time in your finale explaining the death of a character from one episode early in the show, when their was already an entire movie explaining said death.
I dont think the creators actually even considered kion at all to be honest, his character was only thought of after lion king 2 it's only after they realised that his existence impuded on the story being told did they think of the tree of life plot to fix the massive pothole being created.
Also they did kinda explain that when the beginning of the Lion king 2 was happening Kion was around but he's never hanging out with his sister so he wasn't there and hadn't gotten the roar yet
@@lightdarksoul2097 I think it's more likely that Kion was a newborn at the beginning of the Lion King 2 and couldn't leave the den just yet. You can tell that Kiara is a bit older in The Lion Guard than she was in the movie, so she may have been about 3 months older than Kion. Also explains why Simba was more protective of Kiara, not only because of what he went through as a young cub, but he was also worried sick about Kion and didn't want to lose either of them.
Obviously Kion and his friends were simply away during Zira's attacks. Plus as stated, it was a long journey getting to the Tree of Life. And even after Kion arrived, he and his friends stayed there for quite some time. So they really justified his absence in the second movie. And btw, Vitani is Kovu's older sister
It’s theorized that none of Ziras cubs are actually hers. She’s just that obsessed with Scar she’s collected his offspring. That Vitani is actually scar and Nalas cub and Nala abandoned her with Zira to avoid conflict aka simba killing off scars decedents (like they do IRL). So she’s actually kiaras half sister. Not Kovus.
I love that they knew they'd have to write Kion out of LK2 somehow, and they actually thought up of one that was a good reason story-wise. I also like to think that Kion's therapeutic healing methods were reflecting Buddhism lessons. It makes sense because the Tree of Life was located in India. I'd also say method is exactly what an anxious teenager needs.
Not really. Kion and the Lion Guard were fully created years later from concepts that were archived during Lion King 2's production So all they did was to officially justify why they weren't in Lion King 2
He wasn’t in the lion guard due to Disney probably thinking of making the lion guard way after the realise of lion king 2.. also if he was he would most likely be a main character but the movie is revolved around kiara
They didn’t mention him in the movie because it was made way before they even thought of The Lion Guard as being a thing. They just managed to find a way to fit his absence into the show.
@eispfotchen3202 watch again but you are right no name is given but, it is Kion as kopa is meant to be older than both kira and Kion and as we see Kira is small and Kion is next born as Kopa is older than both of them. Where he is I have no idea. Maybe he was killed as he was the first born in the books. And Kira became the second born heir. Who knows
Um, scar would obviously be king if his brother died, that's why scar killed him in the first place, duh! Sarabi isn't part of the royal family and is only related by marriage.
@@SzalonakamiIf they had a heir before it no. But if no then yes he will lose his place and Kion will become king but I don't see how that's possible as Kion is the King of Tree of Life
I like this explanation of why Kion wasn't seen in Lion King 2, over all. Think I heard, or read, one similar to it a while back. Although, there's one thing in the show, as well as movie, that throws it off. In the Lion Guard episode, The Lions of the Outlands, Zira and her lions are living in the Outlands and at the end of the episode, Kion roars and sends them to what Zira calls their "new home". (the same one they have in the movie) And during that episode, Kovu mentions seeing Kiara 'again', indicating they'd already met. However, in the movie, after Kovu and Kiara meet and their parents carry them away to home, Zira and her lions are already living there, beyond the Outlands (where Kion's roar sent them to in the show). Like I said, I like the explanation of Lion Guard's 3rd season being why he wasn't in the movie. But that episode of season 1, Lions of the Outlands, and the 'near beginning' of the movie kinda screws it up because they don't line up. Maybe I'm thinking too much into it, but I feel like I need to point that out.
@@CinemaSongscovers The third season does canonically explain what happened. Before Kion leaves for the Tree of Life, Nala mentions how she hopes he will return before Kiara's first hunt. While the guard is away, Zira attacks, and they are called back in Journey to the Pride Lands. And I never get why everyone is so stuck on Lions of the Outlands. Kovu literally says that he met Kiara "a while ago." We don't know whether the termite mound in that episode was the same one or whether Zira was being sarcastic about it being their "New home" because Nuka was being dumb by not recognizing it. The whole timeline lines up perfectly. For all we know the termite mound was an Easter egg, or Zira and the outsiders migrate due to lack of food.
@mysteriousmysterynetwork5215 , there's also part of the episode to consider when Zira says, "it may not be Pride Rock, but we call it home." (and I could be paraphrasing that, but it's pretty much the line) And they're in the Outlands, not beyond like the end of the episode. Again, I may be thinking a little too much into it, but like I said (again) I like this explanation overall. Plus, I'm OCD, so I tend to have a keen eye for details and such. I'm not As OCD as I used to be, though, but still.
@@CinemaSongscovers Well, you also have to remember that she spent the entire episode lying to Kion to try and get him to join her side. It makes sense she wouldn't risk telling her enemy's son where she lives. And then remember where she took him. That was the same place Scar met the strange lion and it was where the skinks lured Beshte in Swept Away. Zira was just lying to Kion to lure him into an ambush.
Your theory is definitely correct because when they returned to the pride lands, they mentioned what happened which was exactly what did happen in lion King two
I know you usually don’t do the kind of video that I am just suggesting, but after how all of this work has turned out, you should do What if Kion never gets his scar.
In the lion guard when theh made their journey to the tree of life for healing, janja and jasire warned kion and the guard about zira invading the pridelands, and later when they arrived at pride rock, rafikie revealed that while the lion guard was away zira attacked and probably the same events that happened at lion king 2 happened in there, and by the time kion and guard arrived zira already finished her journey through the circle of life, and that's probably why kion was away
Made sence they made him up after. But I think in the show he was away at the time of the attack. From few of the episode I seen of the Lion gaurd they bought in Kovu and met Kion before as a cub and Kovu sister started her own Lion Gaurd while Kion was gone, but he ended up giving it to her and ended up returning to the place he was during the movie.
missed the fact that lion guard starts after Kiara met Kovu as small cubs. Lion Guard is after the we are one song, and Kiara just fully commits to future queen. It also shows that Kion met Zira. Kovu even points out that he'll get to see Kiara again. Kion though use to get into trouble a lot as a toddler, and was exploring the pride lands before Simba let Kiara go at the start of lion king 2. He was most likely off doing his own thing, and zazu wasn't there for zira with the crocs only flying by afterward on the return trip to pride rock. Zazu could have been off with lion. Also, missing the fact nala tells kion she hopes he's back for Kiara's first hunt, which is something she is working for throughout lion guard. She does the first hunt when kion is gone with his scar. So you're missing details from other points of the series, even the fact kion had his own scare with crocs when smaller that Kiara was during her first meeting with kovu. Even though it is silly people don't understand that the guard has missions everywhere, and have been confused for this long.
Don't you guys ever thought of this when kion met kovu they had the same mane level but how come kovu got a full mane before kion and also kiara was already big in lion King 2 so why is now small in lion guard,leave a reply for you the answer
Well, with the manes, I think Kion's mane was just too iconic for his character to change it. Baliyo of the Night Pride has the same type of mane, so Kion isn't alone in having that type of mane. As for Kiara being small in The Lion Guard, are you referring to the art style, or Kiara being big in the second act of Simba's Pride, but young in the Lion Guard? The Lion Guard takes place I would say about 5 years before the battle with Zira. Remember the timeskip in Battle for the Pride Lands?
During that time, Kion was healing at the tree of life. Also between Kiara’s first part of childhood and the beginning of her adulthood, Kion is born and the lion guard takes place. Kion only returns home from his healing journey after the events of Zira’s attempted murder of Simba
Him being king of tree of life with that other lion queen makes sense cause Kiara and Kovu will rule pride rock next and their cubs and so on so it’s not like he’ll be ruling that anytime soon and it’s a good way to explain his absence too.
At the tree of life because they said be back in like oh by Ciara’s first hunt and he definitely wasn’t back by there first time because look at the end and he was just getting back
Crayon was away during episode 2 and the tree of Life because he was sick from the venom bites after fighting scar spirit but having a healing take a long time and getting to the tree of Life probably did happen in the crossfire of episode 2 Simba's pride
For the ones who don't wanna see the viedeo: He was not there because of the scare that would make him evil ono hurt his eyes so they walked to the tree of live to get healed they got there and he got healed all while the lion king 2 Btw kovu got the scare in the movie when they came back he had the scare in the in the series on the end so that was why
We know Kion was born during the time after Kovu and Kiara met, as Kion did not know they had met until Kovu told him, and when the lion guard leave for the Tree of Life, Nala says "hopefully you'll be back in time for Kiara's first hunt," which happens in the movie. This shows us why Kion was not in the second movie and where he was. Note: Everyone looks older in the movie than in the Lion Guard. Except Rafiki, who doesn't seem to have aged since the start of the first movie!
He was on the journey to the tree, and and I don’t know if it’s true or not but my friend told me if you look closely, you can see Caion and the lion guard come back
Kiara is older then Kion, so that is not possible. I always like to think that that cub is Kopa, but unfortunately, the producers confirmed that the name of this cub was Furry. There wasn’t a lion king 2 planned yet, and this cub didn’t have a gender, it was just a symbol that the circle of life was restored again (after Scar)
Lion Guard is cannon and yes in few years everyone knows that Simba has a son, and Kopa survive from Zira and run away, Kion was somewhere else and then he returned to the Pride lands
while he was traveling to the tree of life with his friends(lion guard members) lion king 2 was happening while he was gone, that’s why when he returned to the pride lands vitani and the other lions were there except nuka because he died along with zira that’s why they weren’t there when they returned to the pride lands
@@Flowesomecat if kiara was a male lion she would have a long mane but she does not because she is a lioness but kion somehow does not have a long mane even through he is a male lion
The lion guard explained this to make it make sense. Even though kion was specifically made for the lion guard but they explained why he wasn't in the lion king 2
So I hate to burst the bubble but in the lion king he was born I remembered the very end of the movie they show the female cub then the male after and at the start of two the male was in another section of pride rock more than likely doing something off screen like training or goofing off because in the lion guard he spent a good time with his sister and family before he got the scare and headed it off he also ment zera and the mate then left which the journey did take him out of the lion king 2 and came back ether two weeks or a few months after lion king two
Punctuation man, because I was getting into what you were saying but I keep getting lost. Oh, did you know that the male Lion was nicknamed fluffy before TLK2?
@@alpha34098 Oh don't worry I know Kopa (was kinda hoping the live action would've made the cub Kopa instead of Kiara since its making Scar's name officially Taka like in the books and they are loosely following the books), I'm just callin it Kiara for the sake of this comment. Personally, it'll always be Kopa to me since him dying makes since for Simba's overprotectiveness and hostility towards Zira. I just want to see Kopa at least once 😭
Have you noticed Kion and his lion guard and Janja Jisari Ed Banzai Shenzi Chungu and the other hyenas and Simba Nalas mothers Ushari the snake from the lion guard or the skinks never appeared in lion king 2 Mufasa appeares as a ghost at the beginning of lion king 2 when Kovu looks at his reflection in the water it turns into Scar also Ed Banzai Shenzi killed Scar after Scar's defaet Simba baneshd the hyenas from the pridelands the hyenas were never seen again
Awesome thanks I'm doing lion king stories on the computer I'm currently working on more stories I'm going to look for information about the lion king on the Internet
Wait a minute if kiara was a teenager in the beginning of lion guard season 3 and later she became a young adult in the lion king 2 then why they didn't kion and his friends age up and also how long they stay in the tree of life i mean they travel and come back to the pride land like a months ago?
The character models in Guard are more simplified than to LK2.I do have an idea though. Since Kiara's older than Kion she reached young adulthood just a little bit before Kion did, but she's still fresh into adulthood so she doesn't look full grown yet.
@@beccacroce7380 Yea, I think it is kinda clear Kiara was an older teenager in the second half of Simba's Pride. I predict her at 16 in both. Kion being 15.
I think he’s actually supposed to be at the tree of life while the rest is going on bc an episode from the lion guard shows him returning home to the after math of lion king 2
The in universe explanation for this is that Kion and the rest of the guard were on a journey to the tree of life while the event of lion king 2 played out in the pride lands
Yeah when Kiara and Kovu met as kids then Kion wasn’t born yet. But in the events of Lion King 2 KION was at the tree of life W the rest of the guard and Makini.
Short version: Even though he very clearly existed at the time, Kion and his team were hundreds of miles away at the Tree Of Life during the events of Lion King 2
I propose we see it as a "reverse Pokémon" situation: the movies happened in the canon of the Lion Guard, because clearly the timeline fits, but the Lion Guard didn't happen in the canon of the movies, because in a world where dead characters speak to the living all the time and where animals can have magic powers surely some giraffe druid would have dethroned Scar while Simba was growing up.
And he then left to take care of The tree of Life he went away.You gotta watch the whole show I was also confused but it made so much sense in the end.
Yeah I use to always watch the lion guard all the time I still love it 😂😂
Lion King 2 was made 17 years before the lion guard.
That is why Kion and everyone else was not in The Lion King 2. The producers of the lion guard did an excellent job of fitting the show into the continuity of the franchise.
And Vitani was kovu's older sister.
Bro like we never know
Right. Vitani was the first lion guard leader that wasn’t the younger sibling of the heir to the Pride Lands not to mention the first one not born into royalty.
They did the same thing with the How to train your dragon tv series to used them to bridge the gaps between the movies which I love
The entire lion guard was just made to bring it back, including Kion, but! The writers were definitely smart enough to know how to write the story as if it seems like Kion would of fit in with the lion king 2 story. So cuddos to them for the good writing work. I would love to see actual movies or series expanding on more of the lion king
@SimbasGuardWT That's not true, The producers may do a good job on it trying to fit with the second lion king but unbeknownst to you and the lion guard fans why many older lion king fans (Including myself) don't like it and they're saying that it's not canon to the second because of zoology errors (Particularly some of the animal habitats including the gorilla inaccurate habitat the infamous theluji mountains due to their lack of research), plot holes, writing, the animation and the confusing storyline.
Yes they definitely made kion up for lion guard cause otherwise I don’t think they would wait 17 years to introduce him to lion king universe but I still view lion guard as canon
Well of course, this video is very accurate. Disney is genius
I dont see Lion Guard as canon. They ruined Simba & Kiara for me.
@@dennisjansson6239 for me simba actually makes sense in lion guard same with kiara
@@Overlordabc Their personality & behavior are not like they were in the original movies. They became douchebags in this series.
@@dennisjansson6239 I think Simba they ruined but not Kiara and introducing us to Kovu and Kiara together I thought helped made ending better
Makes sense because The Lion KIng 2: Simba's Pride was released back in 1998 long before The Lion Guard was released in 2015 althought in "Return To The Pride Lands" the final episode of this series were Rafifi, Kovu and Kiara retold the story of Zira's down fall but they didn't explained Nuka's death at all.
well, it may be because nuka wasn't that important at the time
Yea, I don't think they really worried about Nuka. For kids watching the show, he was only a comic relief character from 2 seasons ago. If you really cared about Nuka, and what happened to him, you would just watch the movie. And since you know Nuka died, I assume you watched the movie. After all, what would be the point in wasting time in your finale explaining the death of a character from one episode early in the show, when their was already an entire movie explaining said death.
I dont think the creators actually even considered kion at all to be honest, his character was only thought of after lion king 2 it's only after they realised that his existence impuded on the story being told did they think of the tree of life plot to fix the massive pothole being created.
True
Also they did kinda explain that when the beginning of the Lion king 2 was happening Kion was around but he's never hanging out with his sister so he wasn't there and hadn't gotten the roar yet
@@lightdarksoul2097 I think it's more likely that Kion was a newborn at the beginning of the Lion King 2 and couldn't leave the den just yet. You can tell that Kiara is a bit older in The Lion Guard than she was in the movie, so she may have been about 3 months older than Kion. Also explains why Simba was more protective of Kiara, not only because of what he went through as a young cub, but he was also worried sick about Kion and didn't want to lose either of them.
actually i think it's a continuity error
Obviously Kion and his friends were simply away during Zira's attacks. Plus as stated, it was a long journey getting to the Tree of Life. And even after Kion arrived, he and his friends stayed there for quite some time. So they really justified his absence in the second movie. And btw, Vitani is Kovu's older sister
It’s theorized that none of Ziras cubs are actually hers. She’s just that obsessed with Scar she’s collected his offspring. That Vitani is actually scar and Nalas cub and Nala abandoned her with Zira to avoid conflict aka simba killing off scars decedents (like they do IRL). So she’s actually kiaras half sister. Not Kovus.
Umm I don’t think so because why would they wait 17 years to introduce kion to the lion king kingdom!!
Also why at the end of the series it states that zira is dead so this is really reasonable.
I love that they knew they'd have to write Kion out of LK2 somehow, and they actually thought up of one that was a good reason story-wise.
I also like to think that Kion's therapeutic healing methods were reflecting Buddhism lessons. It makes sense because the Tree of Life was located in India. I'd also say method is exactly what an anxious teenager needs.
Not really. Kion and the Lion Guard were fully created years later from concepts that were archived during Lion King 2's production
So all they did was to officially justify why they weren't in Lion King 2
In the new Mufasa movie, Nala introduces Kiara to her baby brother, Kion.
That’s separate canon to the animated franchise
@ Disney already confirmed it
The lion guard already explained that kion left to free himself from the control of the poison
He wasn’t in the lion guard due to Disney probably thinking of making the lion guard way after the realise of lion king 2.. also if he was he would most likely be a main character but the movie is revolved around kiara
They didn’t mention him in the movie because it was made way before they even thought of The Lion Guard as being a thing. They just managed to find a way to fit his absence into the show.
You also see Kion in Mufasa at the end born and Kiera is still a small cub so both were in lion 2 but Kion off screen
What’s crazy is the only elder he has is mufasa bc he was the only king of pride rock prior to simba
If I remember correctly there was no name of the cub said in Mufasa, so the cub could also be Kopa from the old Lion King Storys from the 90'.
@eispfotchen3202 watch again but you are right no name is given but, it is Kion as kopa is meant to be older than both kira and Kion and as we see Kira is small and Kion is next born as Kopa is older than both of them. Where he is I have no idea. Maybe he was killed as he was the first born in the books. And Kira became the second born heir. Who knows
I think during the events of Kira and Kovu adventures when they were adults was during the time Kion went on a quest to heal his scar
He’s on the quest to the tree of life alongside his team/friends.
Yes
Weird how Kiara is going to be queen, but when Mufasa died Sarabi wasn’t allowed to rule.
Um, scar would obviously be king if his brother died, that's why scar killed him in the first place, duh! Sarabi isn't part of the royal family and is only related by marriage.
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I don't think it was a gender thing it's royal blood and she just married into it
That’s an interesting way to look at it. So if anything happened to Kiara, Kovu would lose his place as king? 🤔
@@SzalonakamiIf they had a heir before it no. But if no then yes he will lose his place and Kion will become king but I don't see how that's possible as Kion is the King of Tree of Life
Back then I thought Kiara was a only child
She kinda was until TLG, as far as canon goes.
He literally said if I can’t be the king of the pride land I will just be king of the literal tree of life
Lol
We all know if kion was around for the lion king 2 there wouldn't even be a war 😂
He would solo
@Lordx-o1u fax
True!! As if he had already done it before too!!!
Fr just one roar and it’s over😂
Good explanation of the story well done 😄😄
Thankyou!
for a second there i was afraid that The Lion Guard is a separate timeline
I like this explanation of why Kion wasn't seen in Lion King 2, over all.
Think I heard, or read, one similar to it a while back.
Although, there's one thing in the show, as well as movie, that throws it off.
In the Lion Guard episode, The Lions of the Outlands, Zira and her lions are living in the Outlands and at the end of the episode, Kion roars and sends them to what Zira calls their "new home".
(the same one they have in the movie)
And during that episode, Kovu mentions seeing Kiara 'again', indicating they'd already met.
However, in the movie, after Kovu and Kiara meet and their parents carry them away to home, Zira and her lions are already living there, beyond the Outlands (where Kion's roar sent them to in the show).
Like I said, I like the explanation of Lion Guard's 3rd season being why he wasn't in the movie.
But that episode of season 1, Lions of the Outlands, and the 'near beginning' of the movie kinda screws it up because they don't line up.
Maybe I'm thinking too much into it, but I feel like I need to point that out.
@@CinemaSongscovers The third season does canonically explain what happened. Before Kion leaves for the Tree of Life, Nala mentions how she hopes he will return before Kiara's first hunt. While the guard is away, Zira attacks, and they are called back in Journey to the Pride Lands.
And I never get why everyone is so stuck on Lions of the Outlands. Kovu literally says that he met Kiara "a while ago." We don't know whether the termite mound in that episode was the same one or whether Zira was being sarcastic about it being their "New home" because Nuka was being dumb by not recognizing it. The whole timeline lines up perfectly. For all we know the termite mound was an Easter egg, or Zira and the outsiders migrate due to lack of food.
@mysteriousmysterynetwork5215 , there's also part of the episode to consider when Zira says, "it may not be Pride Rock, but we call it home."
(and I could be paraphrasing that, but it's pretty much the line)
And they're in the Outlands, not beyond like the end of the episode.
Again, I may be thinking a little too much into it, but like I said (again) I like this explanation overall.
Plus, I'm OCD, so I tend to have a keen eye for details and such.
I'm not As OCD as I used to be, though, but still.
@@CinemaSongscovers Well, you also have to remember that she spent the entire episode lying to Kion to try and get him to join her side. It makes sense she wouldn't risk telling her enemy's son where she lives.
And then remember where she took him. That was the same place Scar met the strange lion and it was where the skinks lured Beshte in Swept Away. Zira was just lying to Kion to lure him into an ambush.
Kion is in the Tree of life getting healed
And now he is beging used by rani
The Lion Guard and Kion are simply an afterthought. Simba's Pride was made years prior to the series. Kion never existed in Simba's Pride
Crazy how the lion king 2 came
Out 4 years later after the lion king
Your theory is definitely correct because when they returned to the pride lands, they mentioned what happened which was exactly what did happen in lion King two
I thought I was the only one that noticed this
For some fans that is it's sad and they made him for the guard tbh mainly.
There will be a movie about kion because second movie shows a little lion to kiara when rafiki was saying a story about mufasa
Yes interested too see how that’s goin play out bc Simbas pride only had Kiara
The Lion Guard was such a great show.
More videos about kion please
0:01 nah the minute I saw this I was drowning in nostalgia 😢
I know you usually don’t do the kind of video that I am just suggesting, but after how all of this work has turned out, you should do What if Kion never gets his scar.
Thankyou, i have been thinking on doing some ‘what if’ theories
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Thanks so much for making video of the Kion was not there in the lion King Simba pride 2 ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
In the lion guard when theh made their journey to the tree of life for healing, janja and jasire warned kion and the guard about zira invading the pridelands, and later when they arrived at pride rock, rafikie revealed that while the lion guard was away zira attacked and probably the same events that happened at lion king 2 happened in there, and by the time kion and guard arrived zira already finished her journey through the circle of life, and that's probably why kion was away
Made sence they made him up after. But I think in the show he was away at the time of the attack. From few of the episode I seen of the Lion gaurd they bought in Kovu and met Kion before as a cub and Kovu sister started her own Lion Gaurd while Kion was gone, but he ended up giving it to her and ended up returning to the place he was during the movie.
Another cool video I love it and also kion wasn't born yet thank you film secrets for videos every day ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Thankyou, means a lot!🫶🏼
missed the fact that lion guard starts after Kiara met Kovu as small cubs. Lion Guard is after the we are one song, and Kiara just fully commits to future queen. It also shows that Kion met Zira. Kovu even points out that he'll get to see Kiara again. Kion though use to get into trouble a lot as a toddler, and was exploring the pride lands before Simba let Kiara go at the start of lion king 2. He was most likely off doing his own thing, and zazu wasn't there for zira with the crocs only flying by afterward on the return trip to pride rock. Zazu could have been off with lion. Also, missing the fact nala tells kion she hopes he's back for Kiara's first hunt, which is something she is working for throughout lion guard. She does the first hunt when kion is gone with his scar. So you're missing details from other points of the series, even the fact kion had his own scare with crocs when smaller that Kiara was during her first meeting with kovu. Even though it is silly people don't understand that the guard has missions everywhere, and have been confused for this long.
It literally explains in the show that he was off at the tree of life
That picture of Zira scared the mess out of me
Kion was not born yet,it was brought to the movie at the end
Glad they took account of Lion King 2
If u watched mufasa u would notice that kion was born at the end scene
I just thought he wasn't born yet.❤
This made so much sense 😅I wouldn’t have thought of this
There is an episode that shows kion meeting zira, and vitani is actually older than kovu
He was definitely thought up later, And they just decided to use puzzle pieces to make him fit in
Nice video
I DIDNT EVEN KNOW THERE WAS A LION KING 2
Don't you guys ever thought of this when kion met kovu they had the same mane level but how come kovu got a full mane before kion and also kiara was already big in lion King 2 so why is now small in lion guard,leave a reply for you the answer
Well, with the manes, I think Kion's mane was just too iconic for his character to change it. Baliyo of the Night Pride has the same type of mane, so Kion isn't alone in having that type of mane. As for Kiara being small in The Lion Guard, are you referring to the art style, or Kiara being big in the second act of Simba's Pride, but young in the Lion Guard? The Lion Guard takes place I would say about 5 years before the battle with Zira. Remember the timeskip in Battle for the Pride Lands?
Not mentioned the fact that kiara and kion also had an older brother called kopa
I’m guessing over a year they had a baby lion again, but this time they named it kion
During that time, Kion was healing at the tree of life. Also between Kiara’s first part of childhood and the beginning of her adulthood, Kion is born and the lion guard takes place. Kion only returns home from his healing journey after the events of Zira’s attempted murder of Simba
Him being king of tree of life with that other lion queen makes sense cause Kiara and Kovu will rule pride rock next and their cubs and so on so it’s not like he’ll be ruling that anytime soon and it’s a good way to explain his absence too.
he was at the circle of life
Man, the producer are genius to make this TV Show canon to The Lion King 2 movie.
Update after watching the new lion king movie he’s introduced at the end Of The movie but Not by name
At the tree of life because they said be back in like oh by Ciara’s first hunt and he definitely wasn’t back by there first time because look at the end and he was just getting back
This is exactly what i thought, the theories aren't necessary but okay ig
Crayon was away during episode 2 and the tree of Life because he was sick from the venom bites after fighting scar spirit but having a healing take a long time and getting to the tree of Life probably did happen in the crossfire of episode 2 Simba's pride
For the ones who don't wanna see the viedeo:
He was not there because of the scare that would make him evil ono hurt his eyes so they walked to the tree of live to get healed they got there and he got healed all while the lion king 2
Btw kovu got the scare in the movie when they came back he had the scare in the in the series on the end so that was why
We know Kion was born during the time after Kovu and Kiara met, as Kion did not know they had met until Kovu told him, and when the lion guard leave for the Tree of Life, Nala says "hopefully you'll be back in time for Kiara's first hunt," which happens in the movie.
This shows us why Kion was not in the second movie and where he was.
Note: Everyone looks older in the movie than in the Lion Guard. Except Rafiki, who doesn't seem to have aged since the start of the first movie!
Or prolly they never thought of him and just found a smart way to add him into the story
Is it just me or why is lion just simba wit a red mullet and stamp on his shoulder
He went to the tree of life
Id say it was both. Yes he was made just for the lion guard. He wasnt an idea yet. However they did a good job weaving him into the storyline.
0:39 Kion looks so Cute! ❤
I just wanna! HmmmMmhMhMmm! ❤❤❤
Kion said see ya going on my own adventure and to find a mate
He was on the journey to the tree, and and I don’t know if it’s true or not but my friend told me if you look closely, you can see Caion and the lion guard come back
Spoiler for Mufasa Movie:
We see what I think is Kion at the end of the movie.
He was at the tree of life to make a long story short
he was at the tree of life with the lion guard
If you watch Mufasa
We can see Kion is born at the end of the movie
So Yh it’s cannon
I was just thinking about this
I agree that kion was just at the tree of life.
did u guys watch the movie when simba and nala was away they had kion and they came back with a brother in the end of the movie
In lion guard queen Nila told kion to be back in time for kiara first hunt. So it makes sense that he wasn't in the 2nd movie
Wasn't Kion born at the end of the Lion King 1?
Because the cub at the end of LK1 the cub is yellow like Simba and Kion
Kiara is older then Kion, so that is not possible. I always like to think that that cub is Kopa, but unfortunately, the producers confirmed that the name of this cub was Furry. There wasn’t a lion king 2 planned yet, and this cub didn’t have a gender, it was just a symbol that the circle of life was restored again (after Scar)
Lion Guard is cannon and yes in few years everyone knows that Simba has a son, and Kopa survive from Zira and run away, Kion was somewhere else and then he returned to the Pride lands
He was out passively rizzing up a queen
while he was traveling to the tree of life with his friends(lion guard members) lion king 2 was happening while he was gone, that’s why when he returned to the pride lands vitani and the other lions were there except nuka because he died along with zira that’s why they weren’t there when they returned to the pride lands
Vitani is approximately just as much older than kovu as much kiara is older than kion
do you have proof of this? i need to know so bad
Does that mean their age gaps are almost the same? Then Kion should've had his long mane then, just like kovu.
@@Flowesomecat if kiara was a male lion she would have a long mane but she does not because she is a lioness but kion somehow does not have a long mane even through he is a male lion
@@Flowesomecatu have to realize that Simba got his mane very late they even said it in the movie that he looked like a female while he was young
The lion guard explained this to make it make sense. Even though kion was specifically made for the lion guard but they explained why he wasn't in the lion king 2
Kion wasn't born yet when she was little and he was at the tree of life when zira returned to the pride lands
Well they lied abt how scar got his scar since we got the nufasa movie
Mufasa, the CGI movie isn't canon to the cartoons. Mufasa and scar are biological brothers in the OG lion King, not step brothers
So I hate to burst the bubble but in the lion king he was born I remembered the very end of the movie they show the female cub then the male after and at the start of two the male was in another section of pride rock more than likely doing something off screen like training or goofing off because in the lion guard he spent a good time with his sister and family before he got the scare and headed it off he also ment zera and the mate then left which the journey did take him out of the lion king 2 and came back ether two weeks or a few months after lion king two
Punctuation man, because I was getting into what you were saying but I keep getting lost. Oh, did you know that the male Lion was nicknamed fluffy before TLK2?
Punctuation would help in understanding what you're saying here
That baby at the end of LK1 (dubbed Fluffy and a boy since Disney didn't plan a part two) would technically be Kiara.
@revelryinthedark No. That Cub was neither Kiara or Kion.
He was Kopa, Simba's first child who got put down by Zira, which caused her banishment
@@alpha34098 Oh don't worry I know Kopa (was kinda hoping the live action would've made the cub Kopa instead of Kiara since its making Scar's name officially Taka like in the books and they are loosely following the books), I'm just callin it Kiara for the sake of this comment.
Personally, it'll always be Kopa to me since him dying makes since for Simba's overprotectiveness and hostility towards Zira. I just want to see Kopa at least once 😭
The Biggest reason is because the Lion Guard show was made years after the Lion King 2.
Kion is doing his season 2 journey
He was shown in the last scene of lion king:Mufasa.Hes sooo cute
Kion left to the tree of life
Have you noticed Kion and his lion guard and Janja Jisari Ed Banzai Shenzi Chungu and the other hyenas and Simba Nalas mothers Ushari the snake from the lion guard or the skinks never appeared in lion king 2 Mufasa appeares as a ghost at the beginning of lion king 2 when Kovu looks at his reflection in the water it turns into Scar also Ed Banzai Shenzi killed Scar after Scar's defaet Simba baneshd the hyenas from the pridelands the hyenas were never seen again
I am working on a video about Shenzi, Banzai and Ed now!
Awesome thanks I'm doing lion king stories on the computer I'm currently working on more stories I'm going to look for information about the lion king on the Internet
Lion guard much better than live action
We fans of the lion guard will never know
If u watched lion gaurd u can see at the end kovu explains to kion what happened when they came back from the tree of life
Yah there makin it canon finally Disney better not mess up waited 25 years for a lion king series of movies and stuff😂
1:16 Bruh have you ever watched the lion guard at this time he was millon of miles in the tree of life like bro your theory makes zero sense
Yeah!
Wait a minute if kiara was a teenager in the beginning of lion guard season 3 and later she became a young adult in the lion king 2 then why they didn't kion and his friends age up and also how long they stay in the tree of life i mean they travel and come back to the pride land like a months ago?
The character models in Guard are more simplified than to LK2.I do have an idea though.
Since Kiara's older than Kion she reached young adulthood just a little bit before Kion did, but she's still fresh into adulthood so she doesn't look full grown yet.
@@beccacroce7380 Yea, I think it is kinda clear Kiara was an older teenager in the second half of Simba's Pride. I predict her at 16 in both. Kion being 15.
well its only because he left in the lion guard, he grew up, and left to the circle of life tree, and at the end, we see kovu and kion fighting
He is in the end of Mufasa
I think he’s actually supposed to be at the tree of life while the rest is going on bc an episode from the lion guard shows him returning home to the after math of lion king 2
Short answer: during the second movie it was S3 in lion guard and lion was on a journey to the tree of life
The in universe explanation for this is that Kion and the rest of the guard were on a journey to the tree of life while the event of lion king 2 played out in the pride lands
Yeah when Kiara and Kovu met as kids then Kion wasn’t born yet.
But in the events of Lion King 2 KION was at the tree of life W the rest of the guard and Makini.